🇬🇧 QNCT mutant vs Xeon E5-2640 V3, which platform is better for budget PCs - LGA 1151 or LGA 2011-3?

[@SimmanGodz]

Do not apologize for being sick. I think it shows incredible dedication that you are still producing content while sick. We are lucky to have your channel. Thank you for the interesting content.

[@Miyconst]

Thank you very much for the support, it means a lot to me.

[@jeffersonazevedo101]

Vdd, flw td 👏👏👏 True, it said everything 👏👏👏

[@RepsUp100]

Thanks for your reviews, hope you start feeling better

[@sxsoutcast7651]

I am a huge fan of the x99 platform. The mutant is definitely interesting but not my cup of tea. Thanks for the video... I enjoy this content a lot.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support!

[@Tavito_de_ARG]

Very interesting comparison. I never tested a mutant.. i didn't like the BIOS modification they need.... but seems to werk very well

[@hellbackm]

I wish you make video using E5 2683 v4 16 core or E5 2698 v4 20 core In proxmox and install as vertical win10, linux, freenas, and passthrough gpu

[@PantagruelSkobel]

Miyconst - это "технопланета" здорового человека .

[@acelab6515]

Согласен, у технопланеты слишком много воды

[@AMD_7900]

@@acelab6515 слишком много продажного контента, т.е. обзор не ради интереса, а для реферальных ссылок.

[@pcymas2761]

I have recently changed my CPU from the 2620 v3 to the 2640 v3 . after doing a lot rsearch and of course watching you videos what i also will keep in mind while i will buy a better Mother board later to acomodate a 2666 v3 . Thanks you for you content and valubable information you provide in a very small market that is not to well known for budget hardware. i will eventually upload some gameplays with the 2640 v3. but firt i need to buy another hardrive 3d assets for my other hobby take lot of space.

[@Miyconst]

Good luck with the project and thanks for the support!

[@the7dan7dan]

Hi Miconst, great video, I would love to see a similar comparison but with the 2666 v3 10c @3.5ghz and even ddr3 ecc memory for best value. Keep up the great work

[@Miyconst]

It's coming! I have already finished E5-2666 V3 testing.

[@disbkz]

Thanks for adding your personal opinion, most of bloggers just list pros and cons, so hard to make decision

[@Miyconst]

You're welcome!

[@henriquegonfer7750]

Excelent! I work with both plataforms. My clients reports more issues with the chineses rigs, mostly are memory issues. The high temp on "X99" chinese VRMs are also a problem for a long term use.

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support and additional info.

[@ocho7011]

this sweater.. fire

[@boomugo123]

I swear his sweater is amazing

[@AirMostafa]

Great informations as always!

[@chillappreciator885]

Great content! In gaming Xeon will be more stable because of the much higher PSP(4 vs 2 channels) and more amount of cores. Well even avg FPS is higher. The only advantage of QNCT based PC is a newer platform. That means, once high end LGA-1151 CPUs will become cheaper you can upgrade your system.

[@andrewlobato1992]

Good job! I never tryied this mutant processor/interposer. One advantage of Xeon is that's kind of plug and play... On the other hand Mutant comes with integrated graphics (that really doesn't matters if you're using a GPU). Both are the cheaper ways to build fast PC's nowadays. Anyway congratulations for the video man!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support, I am glad you liked it.

[@peterharband326]

Always enjoy the content my friend.

[@Miyconst]

I am glad to hear that!

[@mr.schaeffer5399]

As always nice video perfectly organized. A question, do you know what gigabyte motherboard does not require an external programmer? I can only find Asus and Asrock 100 series with removable bios chip.

[@Miyconst]

Many Gigabyte motherboards allow flashing modded BIOS using the Gigabyte Flashing utility, I have tested Gigabyte Z170-HD3P and B365 Aorus Elite, in both cases I flashed modded BIOS using the native utility, but some of my subscribers report that it didn't work for them with the same B365 motherboard, thus I assume, in some BIOS revision, Gigabyte introduced integrity check.

[@ConteudoLibertario]

I used the gigabyte z170m d3h

[@jeffersonazevedo101]

Meu QNCT não funcionou com minha Asus B250H 😭😭, depois tive que evitar gastos (problemas pessoais), aí não consegui comprar outra MoBo, mas agora entrou um dinheiro a mais e resolvi me aventurar no meu primeiro Xeon, E5 2630 V3, só estou aguardando chegar, me desejem sorte 😁🤞 ... Obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal, Miyconst !!! My QNCT didn't work with my Asus B250H 😭😭, then I had to avoid expenses (personal problems), so I couldn't buy another MoBo, but now some more money came in and I decided to venture into my first Xeon, E5 2630 V3, I'm just waiting to arrive, wish me luck 😁🤞 ... Thanks for the video and congratulations for the channel, Miyconst !!!

[@andre_warmeling]

Tá com o QNCT parado?

[@Miyconst]

Good luck with the build. Were you able to figure out what was wrong with the B250H motherboard?

[@jeffersonazevedo101]

@@andre_warmeling por enquanto, sim...

[@andre_warmeling]

@@jeffersonazevedo101 se quiser vender ou precisar de alguma ajuda, tô a disposição.

[@jeffersonazevedo101]

​@@Miyconst thanks! And no, I couldn't find out... but I don't understand much about it, even so, I studied the subject a little, watched some videos and decided to take a risk... I re-recorded the BIOS a few times, first with the BIOS soldered, then with the BIOS off the motherboard (both with the vendor file and the one I created), I just remember that I tested it without the memories and the speaker beeped 3 times (as expected), but with the memory installed, it just stayed on, no video, no boot signal, I could have done other tests, but my soldering skills aren't that good, so I talked to a youtuber friend and I left it with him, who later passed on to a partner technician, and even so, they didn't solve the problem... PS: I'm sorry if there's an error in what I've written, or if something seems confusing, I don't speak English and I'm using the translator to write

[@vittordecastro3815]

Do not apologize m8, you're amazing! Is there a chance that you're gonna test 2697 v3? I'm hoping to buy one soon!

[@Miyconst]

Thanks for the support. So far I don't plan to test E5-2697 V3 as I have already tested E5-2698 V3. Sure, 97 is an interesting CPU, probably the best for X99 platform, but I can't afford buying this many Xeons. ☹️

[@dlfavilla]

Good Job, brother!🖖

[@greyshadow9498]

I'm not against using a laptop CPU on a desktop (and an ES one at that), and the adapters I have seen seem pretty good. But lack of proper heatsink would worry me

[@Miyconst]

In this particular case the missing heatsink is a plus in my opinion, it is way easier too cool a CPU with a naked die.

[@greyshadow9498]

@@Miyconst I always worry about it. I haven't tried to cool a bare die since the Athlon XP days 🤣

[@mikeymaiku]

@@greyshadow9498 imagine if motherboard manufacturers did the custom mounting plate back in the good ol bare die days... and instead of a latch you just screwed the cpu into place... my god isnt that so innovative? lol

[@jeancarlosarauzarauz8395]

Excellent video. For games only, which ones is better E5-2640 v3 / E5-2666 v3. I have one Rx580 8gb greetings and thanks

[@Miyconst]

E5-2666 V3 is a better CPU for gaming and productivity.

[@p82maarj]

Interesting. In your outro I've seen the Machinist g7. I think a good option can be 2673 v3 with that moderboard and 8x4 ddr3 ecc. Please analyze Machinist g7. Thanks!

[@Miyconst]

I am working on it.

[@chillappreciator885]

2011-3 has another beast CPU for gaming - Xeon E5-2666(10c/20t - 3.5 Ghz on all threads)

[@Miyconst]

True, with the current price drop it's a very interesting option, even though the CPU is very power hungry.

[@INDIANKITCHENMASTER]

please do a video on e5 2699 v3 please man on HUANANZHI X99-F8 motherboard please

[@DanielGT_93]

Loved the spoiler on the end, the x99-g7 with DDR3. I got one with an e5-2673v3 and the vrm is freaking hot! i was using PlexHD with overclocked e5-1650v2 and it was not that hot. So i made an cooper heatsink and replaced the original.

[@Miyconst]

How are the temps after the replacement?

[@DanielGT_93]

@@Miyconst I don't have an good thermomether, but before i could not put my finger for more than one second on the heatsink. Now i can stay with the finger on the new heatsink for more then ten seconds, but it is still hot. I did turbo unlock with -50mv.

[@DanielGT_93]

@@Miyconst posted a photo in the community tab in my channel.

[@Miyconst]

@@DanielGT_93 nice! I have reposted your picture on my Instagram and @ you there. To get even better thermal results you can use a heatsink which would cover two extra heatsink-less doublers so these are cooled as well.

[@DanielGT_93]

Great ideia! where in the Motherboard is these two new doublers?

[@alberzuk]

Top

[@lizertech]

is 7700hq a mutant cpu? someone give me this cpu and was wondering what kind of motherboard is able to support it

[@Miyconst]

Originally it's a mobile CPU, so theoretically it can be converted into a mutant for desktop use.

[@lizertech]

@@Miyconst would like to ask for help how to use it though, i been looking for some English tutorials for it

[@Miyconst]

@@lizertech you can't do it yourself, you need a special PCB adapter and solder the CPU on top of it. Chinese have managed to do that on a factory due to excessive supply of these mobile chips, but not possible to do it at home.

[@kuro9519]

Damn that sweater 🔥💀

[@J0aoFrank]

Hello! I have a spare 550W PSU lying around. Will it be enough for a E5 2640 V3 paired with a 1070 Ti? Apologies for the newbie question.

[@Miyconst]

Yes, if it's a good PSU.

[@dpdpdp]

Hi, any x99 motherboard you recommend with Xeon v3 with 10 or 12 cores that will run AI / machine learning / workstation that CPU will be near 100% for long time? I'm worried the VRM on some of these x99 boards will overheat and burn out, and fail.

[@Miyconst]

For this workload I would only recommend branded boards.

[@danishshah7826]

Great work!! I have recently bought i5 8500b mutant and paired it with Asus ex-b150m-v3 and bios mod with the latest from Asus. But the issue is my Rx 470 not detecting but my old GPU is detecting Amd HD 6670, Is there any changes I have to make in coffee time? Can you please help me to resolve this issue? Thanks!

[@Miyconst]

Hmm, it could be that you are using old bios version to create your modification. Did you try to mod the latest available BIOS? Did you talk to the seller?

[@danishshah7826]

@@Miyconst Yes I'm using the latest bios from Asus but no success and I even tried lower ver but no detection of RX 470 and yes I asked the seller but he said I can't help you with this sorry. Should I try more old ver of bios mod? Or does this CPU have a compatibility issue with RX 470?

[@nuttyl283]

E5 2640V3 on Machinist X99 RS9, Do I need single ram or dual ram is better? option 1 single 16GB 2133mhz x 1 or option 2 8GB 2133mhz x2 Thank you.

[@Miyconst]

Two memory sticks is the minimum, four is better and one is very bad.

[@nuttyl283]

@@Miyconst Thank you very much and I saw your turbo unlock version 1.2.5 is it work on Machinist X99 RS9 or just use old version 1.2.0? Thank you

[@Miyconst]

@@nuttyl283 The newer the version is the more motherboards are supported.

[@nuttyl283]

@@Miyconst Thank you very much for every answers. You are so kind.

[@longmr9857]

Which one should I buy for 200$? dual 2640 v3 + x99 f8d or e5 2678 v3 + x99 tf.

[@Miyconst]

I would definitely go with a single socket solution unless you have some specific use case for two CPUs.

[@mishingoncito]

Thanks for information !!!! excelente comparison, I have both hardware, x99 tf with xeon e5 2660 v3 with hack turbo with 16g ram and one qtj1 wit rog strix b250 and 16 gb ram 2666 but this cpu dont get dual chanel, i dont know why? in my experience i like better the sistem with qtj1, youre the best explained for both cpu test

[@Miyconst]

You can try to tighten or untighten some corners of QTJ1 and see if the second channel starts to work, but it could be a defective CPU as well.

[@mishingoncito]

I review all your videos I dont find what could happend with mi ram in qtj1

[@mishingoncito]

@@Miyconst Thank you sr for you answer, I apreciated, keep going with tis great information, also I cant find the video review for the liquid cooler that you recomended for the mutant cpu

[@Miyconst]

@@mishingoncito I have not done any liquid cooler reviews, that's probably why.

[@cheng1991]

I just got a QNVH, it can run 3.3 all core and 4.0 single core on ASUS Z170AR

[@Miyconst]

4.0 GHz single core under load or occasional spikes the same as mine QNCT?

[@cheng1991]

@@Miyconst occasional

[@x.o.o.x]

Any plans for 9980hk mutant review?

[@Miyconst]

Not at the moment, but what do you find interesting about it?

[@x.o.o.x]

@@Miyconst looks like it's the most stable and performing (with RAM OC) mutant, but also kinda good VRM demanding when clocked up to 5GHz due to 8/16 cores. Needs a decent mobo, it seems. The price is rather high, so it is comparable to medium 10/11gen CPUs.

[@Miyconst]

@@x.o.o.x you have summed it up pretty accurately. The mutant requires expensive motherboard, expensive cooler, good power supply, and the price is not attractive. With all of these in mind, LGA 1200 is a more attractive platform.

[@EDIIIZ]

Probably stupid question but should / need I remove the Kapton Tape from the mutant before installing a cooler ?

[@Miyconst]

Yes, absolutely you have to remove it.

[@EDIIIZ]

@@Miyconst Thank you! :)

[@TeamTemplo]

Hello, I currently want to build a new computer, I don't have any parts yet. And I am interested in the x99 platform. Would you recommend me to buy a Chinese kit which includes. MB Huananzhi F8 Xeon E5-2690 v3 32GB ddr4 2400mhz (4x8gb) All for $350 usd I would also like to buy a huananzhi gtx 1060 6gb graphics card for $400 usd I would like to know what capacity my power source should have. Do you think it would be good to buy this? In total it would be 750$ usd. My knowledge in hardware is very limited, I would really appreciate your help. Thanks for your videos! They are really great.

[@Miyconst]

Thank you for the support, but the parts you have picked is a waste of money. For €350 you can get i5-10400F on B560 or B460 motherboard, and for €250-300 you can get GTX 1060 5 GB. If you want X99 then go with Shuangwei X99S and E5-2640 V3 or E5-2666 V3.

[@TeamTemplo]

@@Miyconst Thank you very much for your answer, I was really one step away from buying the Chinese kit. I have the need to use the equipment to play games, and stream at the same time, at a resolution of 1080p@60fps also render video for KZbin mostly related to games. The games you use in benchmarks like F1 and FPS are the kind of games I'd like to create my content with, but really I'm a fighting game guy, like the following. Tekken 7 Processor: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5 GHz or equivalent Memory: 8 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 equivalent or higher Guilty Gear Strive Processor: Intel Core i7-3770, 3.40 GHz Memory: 8 GB RAM Graphics: GeForce GTX 660 King of Fighters XV Processor: Intel Core i7 Memory: 16 GB RAM Graphics: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6GB / AMD Radeon RX 480 4GB Do you think the above recommendation of I5 10400F, E5-2640 or E5-2666 can do the job? What is better for the kind of workload? I can't exceed 400$ usd for M.B.,CPU, Ram And I have another 400$ for the graphic card that I expect in the Huananzhi Gtx 1060 6 gb. In my local market for that price I only find GTX 1050 TI which surely won't be enough. Once again, thank you very much for your advice and your reviews, I would like to support the channel with a donation, how could I do it?

[@Miyconst]

@@TeamTemplo all recommended CPUs will do the job just fine. For streaming and video rendering you just use your GPU, yes, the quality will be insignificantly worse, but I really doubt that any of your viewers will be able to spot the difference. If you can't fit i5-10400F + B560 + 16 GB DDR4-3000 (or higher) RAM into the $400 budget, then go for i3-10100F it equals to the i7s from the past and it will do the job just fine for you. For the graphics card, again, I would recommend you to stay away from the "new" GPUs from AliExpress. These cards are not new, only the cooler and package is new, the rest is scavenged from broken parts.

[@TeamTemplo]

@@Miyconst Perfect! I will heed your recommendation and go for the i5 I have found the i5 10400F for $150 usd As for the Mo-Bo I have found the MSI board that you have used in some of your videos MSI Z590A-Pro for the same price I have also found Asus ROG STRIX B560-A Gaming WiFi what would be better in my case Z590 or B560 if both do they cost about the same? Regarding the RAM, you recommended DDR4-3000 on the Intel website, it mentions that the processor supports up to DDR4-2666, so I'm not sure what RAM to buy. Apparently everything has been adjusted to the budget what was destined that makes me very happy I hope to buy the equipment this weekend 😁

[@Miyconst]

@@TeamTemplo if the price is the same, go with Z590, it's a much better board, but if you need WiFi then go with the B560. Core i5-10400 officially supports up to DDR4-2666, but with B560/Z490/Z590 chipset you can overclock RAM to DDR4-3200 and higher.

[@PedroHenriqueQuiteteBarreto]

Why is X99-TF package wet?

[@Miyconst]

It arrived to me like that 😀.

[@glthlz581]

hi, how to you can unlock clock qnvh?

[@Miyconst]

It's not possible, QNVH is locked.

[@glthlz581]

@@Miyconst ok man, thanks

[@fabiomatheus4128]

2640v3 or 2666v3????

[@jongjie]

but some shops they gave u an bios chip for qnct cpu to, thats easy...

[@Miyconst]

That's true, but only works if your motherboard has removable BIOS chip.

[@апешник]

Хоть речь и английская, но что то в нем выдает русского, особенно мелодия)

[@huh681]

I'm early af...

[@Fesovika]

Same

[@someone3629]

6:42 But didn't you say Assassin’s Creed Odyssey is a well-optimized game in an older video (in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpKvZqhpdr6aiKc )? And how the average FPS decreased from 82 to only 57?

[@Miyconst]

I was wrong about Odyssey, I thought it was well optimized, but in reality, it just loads CPU with crappy work, while FPS is really bad. Regarding the FPS values, I wish I would saved the exact graphical settings for the original test, but apparently, the graphical preset was changed in one of the updates, so it's not apples to apples comparison.

[@someone3629]

@@Miyconst Thanks for your answer

[@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude]

I just dont like how jank it looks And intel motherboards go up innpricr so fast i think its going to be hard to find motherboards less then 55 bucks now with these mutan cpus

[@Miyconst]

How often do you see your CPU after PC is assembled? For me the looks are the last to be bothered about.

[@dalzy25]

From my experience I would not recommend anyone buy QL2X unless the price is good or you really need single core performance. In games like BF2042 it really struggles and bottlenecks my 980ti. I would not recommend pairing it with a GPU stronger than 1060/1070/1650S/1660S or RX 480/580/590/V56 at 1080p. It is also nearly impossible to cool overclocked without liquid metal. Perhaps to due to die imperfections as it is a ES or because the die is offset causing uneven pressure. Without liquid metal I got 4.4ghz before i started thermal throttling and with I hit 4.6ghz which is the limit of my silicon(both OC achieved on direct die with custom loop). At 4.6ghz i got 992cb in r15 and 2415cb in r20.

[@Miyconst]

Thank you for the info. I have got somehow different experience with QL2X. With Noctua NH-D15 I was able to easily keep it cool at 4.5 GHz and regular thermal paste. Also, I don't think QNCT would perform better in BF2042.

[@dalzy25]

@@Miyconst Perhaps it has something to do with noctua's mounting system. The problem with 2042 is the weather effects and 128 player. Once those start FPS tanks and the game becomes extremely CPU bottlenecked. For other games a 1070 tier GPU is a perfect pair. I reason I will not recommend is going forward games will be using more threads due to the consoles and 4c/8t will not be enough.

[@Miyconst]

@@dalzy25 it seems like you didn't watch my last give away stream where I was touching this subject. Games do not require certain number of cores / threads, games demand a CPU with certain computational capabilities. 4 fast cores are always going to be better than 6 slow if the raw computational performance is the same.