I Was Wrong About Enlisted's Grind (Sorta)

[@HeyQuadro]

carrots and sticks for sale: www.twitch.tv/heyquadro

[@swancman]

I don't give a **** about skins or cosmetics, I want the weapons and vehicles that are locked behind a million XP points and a XP grind that is slow and tedious. Cut down on the XP grind and more people would play, especially with six different campaigns each requiring a separate XP grind.

[@jangofett3147]

Yea I only play Normandy allies cause of that I'm not a fan of having to start over again for new campaigns and it take for ever just to get near my Normandy level which isn't even that high I'm barely at the scoped Springfield unlock after the mortar squad

[@floppymcflop5427]

Damn imagine actually being able to play the game they made 😂

[@swancman]

@@jangofett3147 I'm only playing the Pacific and just now getting to level 16 with the Allies, and I have to get 144,000 exp just to get to level 17. Alternatively, I can spend $50 to get to level 17 but no one in their right mind is about to do that.

[@ADB_UWIM_2807]

Separate grind for each campaign AND each faction of that campaign

[@ADB_UWIM_2807]

@@swancman This is me just made lvl17 for the Japanese. Only play other campaigns when missions require it

[@kain0067]

I think most all of this would be fixed, plus team balance and player populations, if they would just finally release the "play any campaign" button for a significant XP boost.

[@thegamingfish547]

true

[@HeyQuadro]

sheeeeesh I wish. Better yet: +25% XP for "Play any campaign" and +25% XP for "Play any faction". Do both and you get thrown into a random game but get 50% more XP!

[@johnmcmillan5114]

@@HeyQuadro why should you be punished for trying to focus on leveling up 1 team. If you give a bonus for play random campaign and team then you get unfair advantage. It works to help get games with more players but at the cost of focusing on building up a campaign

[@HeyQuadro]

@@johnmcmillan5114 its not punishing anyone for that, its just rewarding people who dont care. The rest of the XP grind should still be reduced.

[@alexvangen745]

@@HeyQuadro I really really enjoy enlisted however the grind is terrible. I’m only level 26 on Normandy Allies, level 9 axis Normandy, level 16 Allies Tunisia level 3 axis and max level Stalingrad both axis and Allies. I don’t really play Moscow and Berlin but I would really enjoy this game so much more if the devs cut the xp for each campaign so that it’s a less of a grind. Eventually I will buy a ps5 and play hell let loose. I have heard so many great things about HLL

[@MajorMcDonalds]

I can definitely agree with this, this is so important and you are right. If the rewards at every level were good enough, the grind doesn't "feel" bad

[@Nepomniachtchi_Austin]

The average player could probably come up with half a dozen reasonable solutions to this problem. It really is a shame, these last 2 months have seen, in my opinion, some of the best changes to the game that have been needed for a long time. The answers are there, it's just up to the devs to decide to pull that trigger on what to do or if to do anything about the cost/reward grind.

[@debayanghatak1521]

I heard about this thing called 'time price' where you have to spend a particular amount of time to buy a particular commodity which is similar to what you are trying to get across I guess. In Enlisted the grind is a bit too much from lvl 23 onwards but the carrots in certain cases seem to be horribly rotten after you buy them. Eg: Type 96 lmg for Japan, 80 mm mortars for Allies/Axis Berlin. Your suggestions are on point mate! ❤

[@HeyQuadro]

Yes exactly, very similar concept

[@debayanghatak1521]

Yeah after watching your video it immediately struck my mind. 👍

[@evangalinsky2499]

War thunder player here btw, all "spading" your vehicle means it unlocking and purchasing every modification for it

[@slimrummy4616]

They should add a batch of like '10 bronze weapons orders' for getting to half point in each level or like 20 something worth while to keep you going

[@communism_is_wrong7167]

I wish shovels and bolt action rifles were still able to be purchased with the bronze weapon orders. I find the bronze weapon orders to not really be useful and I have 100s to spare and, and there is no reason for a shovel to cost the same as a submachinegun.

[@ThelVadam7777]

As a free to play player, the grind is long. At least for one campaign… its a lot.

[@RealGreenrh]

Unfortunately not everyone has much time to spend to grind out a game, people have responsibilities and jobs. Grind must be shortened, and could be through more frequent XP boosters or just less progressive levels for weapon unlock. This game was very hard for me when I first started playing, so much chaos, underpowered weapons that led to many deaths, fog of war, and the super lengthy grind wore me out, leading to burnout in the span of a week or so. Got back to playing today, and I would say I performed better than ever thanks to lower level opponents in my skill level and many of your helpful videos. Despite all this, I still got really fatigued. Twitch drops motivated me to play the game, but however the vehicles I unlocked were only useable in late level squads, so I was back to zero. I was pretty sure I got many gold orders from twitch drops, but they weren’t transferred to my account. Edit: Hell, I’d rather work my ass off and be a content creator just to get some of the benefits in order to play a damn game. I won’t grind effectively without some help. Really hope thy change the grind length.

[@JeanF1999]

For me the major problem with the Enlisted grind is the copy-paste stuff. The whole "i already have (insert gun here) in (insert campaign here), why do i have to grind it again in (insert another campaign here) again??"

[@thugnastyx1]

level 37 axis berlin here yeah why the hell would I hop in to normandy and grind all the same shit again lol

[@imperialwyvern]

Unless Darkflow adds soldier customization outside Stalingrad and the Pacific. I only care about the vehicles and guns. So unless they are good/ fun to use. Grinding is pointless unless the reward is worth it.

[@TimTaine]

Totally agree. So much more could be done with battlepass and weekly tasks. So much more could be made of the rankings too - if they were more skill based than just time spent. Also think everything should be aligned with Pacific xp rates - high end is still a little slow but it's quick to get to an established level. But throw in more boosters for battle pass/tasks/challenges. I like the idea of cosmetics, decals, even name decorators/pictures etc. I'm never going to spend gold on them, but would be cool to be able to earn them - just to break up the grind like you say and make things a bit more varied.

[@Shanewayne9]

By god you got me into enlisted after many years of not playing it. I hate thats its so enjoyable because the grind makes it hard to play at times

[@HeyQuadro]

yeah hopefully that changes!

[@Afganistan289]

@@HeyQuadro gajin will never ever change that

[@HeyQuadro]

@@Afganistan289 they already are

[@EclipseZer0]

One of the biggest problems with the grind is how _exponential_ the exp curve is. Level 1-3 go by in a single game, while levels 20+ take nearly half a dozen games (without boosters) and level 30+ is just ridiculously slow. So what should be done, apart from severely cutting down the total exp of each Campaign (I'd guess cut it _at least_ by 50%, at best by 75%), is to make the exp *curve* into a *"slightly curved line"* of sorts. Make players have time to digest and use the earlier levels, make the mid and late Campaign significantly shorter.

[@XolarPoweredHistory21]

I agree to an extent. I feel that “spading” squads gives no benefit. I have every squad until level 14 for the Japanese “spaded” and I get no bonus for grinding. I believe that something to make it better would definitely be like checkpoints halfway between each campaign level or something.

[@ABNJIM10]

I totally agree. I absolutely love this game, I haven't played a game this much since the very first battlefields (im 34). I absolutely love every factor to this game and honestly the grind doesn't bother me as I take great pleasure in building rally points and digging trench networks etc but this video and your explanation opened my eyes and you're absolutely correct. You're a fantastic KZbinr keep it up.

[@Luqash]

Personally I chase that dopamine hit after a good play, high kill streak or a game win. Levels doesnt matter much unless unlocked unit help me kill enemy faster.

[@jangofett3147]

Tech tree branch is something others have suggested that I think would work that way you don't unlock squads or unlocks you know you'll never use instead its up to the player to choose what they want

[@HeyQuadro]

For sure! Original takes of this video were much longer and I went into detail on types of players and how different players want different things in games, but I decided it was too much! It is really interesting to think about though :)

[@stormer9952]

If they reduced the XP spike/increase at level 14 the game would be amazing. The XP requirement spikes are ridiculous and ruin late game grinding.

[@warthog4430]

Allow bronze orders to unlock everything. But you only get ranks 1-3 weapons and soldiers for them. Also make them the way to upgrade weapons. Make Silver orders give guaranteed rank 3 or higher weapons and soldiers. For equipment allow silver orders to be 3-5x more valuable and can buy 3-5x more of each piece of common equipment like med kits, shovels and grenades.

[@devonwarnock2625]

My only issue is the separate campaign level for both factions in the campaigns. It sucks fr cause I've noticed team placement isn't exactly Balanced so you end up leveling up 1 faction significantly more than the other making the game play also feel pretty lopsided in higher level games. Luckily I'm a veteran runescape player so grindy games are nothing new for me

[@communism_is_wrong7167]

Yeah, it really does force you into playing only one side per campaign. Plus they can't expect somebody to spend 500 hours on each team for one campaign to max it out all the way.

[@luisbaluarte4927]

A good starting point would be, rather than unlocking something like the large backback at level 15, maybe let us unlock it halfway level 14 and do the same thing with other equipment like grenades, mines, etc?

[@odd-ysseusdoesstuff6347]

Agreed! I’d live for more variety in gamemodes, more rewards, and just slightly less grind! It would be awesome for the devs to come up with more gamemodes for the Pacific than the just the usual ground battle, and I’m looking forward to it in the future!

[@contentofdummys405]

you really said what i was thinking

[@hydrus6782]

Donkey, Stick and Carrot, the holy trinity.

[@JoeL-ji7uw]

I completely agree. The grind is not proportional to the rewards. I think it's really bad with the Japanese. I'm really struggling trying to upgrade guns. Bronze orders are in such short supply. And players are noticeably leaving the Japanese for the allies. Nearly every game I played last night the allies had at least 5 marshals to the Japanese lower ranks. We lost approximately 8 of 10 games. I never thought it was that bad playing normandy axis. Even when it first started I had no problem scoring in the top 5 with the starting.

[@communism_is_wrong7167]

I took one look at what level the katana was at, and said fuck that I'm playing the Marines lol

[@Kate.000]

Im at the point where i ONLY grind 2 factions that I enjoy and i'm having a ton of fun, Axis in Normandy and Allies in Pacific. I've given up on grinding the other factions lol just gonna forget those even exist

[@drunknmunky90]

good video. i personally just don't find unlocking the M1 Garand, (insert any weapon showing up in more than 1 campaign here), or vehicles i don't play (i.e tanks) multiple times. pretty boring and induces a lack of interest for me.

[@Dannyboy827]

Do you think that we will get Peleliu, Tarawa, Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa maps? Might be able to add some stuff specially for the Japanese, could get very interesting.

[@wafiqnadine6408]

don't forget Guam too

[@robawtrob8399]

Love the video! And agree on the time cost of some rewards not being right. Though I think you're muddling your metaphors a little. "Carrot and stick method" is about rewards and punishments. Feed the donkey a Carrot for doing their job. Hit the donkey with the stick for not doing their job. The stick has nothing to do with length of the task, its just a threatening weapon. Maybe you Might be getting it mixed up with "dangling a carrot" which is just focusedon the reward and doesnt mention sticks. Or maybe "carrot on a stick", which is a variation on dangling a carrot and its not really a saying and has more of a history in minecraft and other games, where its used as a pun on the original sayings .

[@HeyQuadro]

its not 100% identical to what the original meaning is, but at the end of the day "carrot on a stick" is about incentivizing behavior, which is basically what games are trying to do. But yeah its not 100% perfect, the donkey doesnt ever actually get the carrot lol.

[@robawtrob8399]

@@HeyQuadro yeah. I got what you were going for. Thanks for making your videos. I learn a lot from them.

[@PikaPilot]

instructions unclear, donkey is beating me up with a carrot-length stick while playing enlisted

[@impact8109]

😂

[@mulder801]

Atm i've maxed both normandy faction, 20 allied 19 axis pacific, ans 17 allied 14 axis on tunisia. Almost never touch the other campaign, already pretty full rn i guess. My only complaint is grinding for the same gun in different campaign (example : garand for normandy, and garand in pacific). I think the idea with skill tree troops and vehicle seems interesting enough

[@AlucardPina]

Yes the grind is big. It's +-380 levels in the 6 Champaign. The game it's not perfect. But the big problem it's between the monitor and the chair. The big problem it's that 80/90% of the players can't do more that 1000/2000 BASE XP. Because most of them don't know to do xp. Just put 1 eng in all squads,build ralys,pres M and use the mini map, don't be all the game in a tank or plane, don't snipe all the game, help the team, learn wow to play, and you wil see that you will get more base XP per game. Just stop play like zoo apes and the game will reward you with more BASE XP

[@impact8109]

This! I don’t understand how these people have fun playing like that

[@communism_is_wrong7167]

I think where the grind really gets bad is when they lock iconic pieces of equipment like Thompson's and M2 flamethrowers behind days worth of play on one campaign, and why doesn't the progress from the American Pacific transfer to the American North African squads or western front America? On top of that it takes so long to get cosmetic tickets to buy new uniforms so it just makes the game almost unappealing because you know you'll never get shit.

[@Zoddo]

I don't think that the "carrot on a stick" analogy really works here because the quintessential meaning of this analogy is that "no matter how much work you put in you never really get the carrot"

[@HeyQuadro]

its about behavior incentivization, which is what this video is about. But yes, you dont actually ever get the carrot in the original meaning so its not 100% perfect. But its a good visual representation of the issue

[@kain0067]

However if better carrots means more powerful guns, then the game will get more severely unbalanced in favor of high level players.

[@littlejoe2615]

it could mean something more interesting. such as instead of getting a regular Thompson you could get some prototype version of it. so while beginners and regular players get similar playing weapons but still different enough to be interesting and fun

[@HeyQuadro]

yeah exactly this. A good example is the Federov. Very powerful, but more of a side upgrade to the PPSH-41.

[@ayegaming14]

I basically almost quit Enlisted because the grind at the later levels is like close to a dozen 1st place good games for a level

[@Nathator97]

Ok, hear me out: instead of changing enlisted's grind as a whole, what if there were more ways to get XP? Maybe you could complete challenges similar to those of the Battle Pass for a proportionate amount of XP for the faction you completed the challenge in. I think that (if implemented properly) could solve a number of issues... - The grind, giving more ways to earn XP instead of just the battles - The repetativeness, giving you another reason to do cool challenges like "Kill 5 different enemies with 1 grenade" or "Kill 3 enemies with a shovel" (maybe not those ones exactly, but you get the point) I don't think this can solve all the problems but I think it can definately help

[@HeyQuadro]

yes this is essentially the "offering more carrots" option

[@ludwig8334]

what if guava juice was secretary of defense

[@waissdcali2823]

uhmmm that would be a pretty good Idea, if they instead of adding the veteran upgrade on the squad research they just add some kind of talisman, waerthunder style that gives you more xp, and more bronze orders, I would be very happy with that one tho I know that in later levels would be kind of useless, at least tier 1 squads could use this

[@a17zazueta21]

How do you peeps feel about this. Every time you reach max level on a Campaign you get a permanent Campaign XP bonus Example: max Level on 1st Campaign Permanent 2X XP Max Level 2nd now 2.5x XP Max on 3rd Now 3x XP 4th Now 3.5x XP 5th Now 4x XP 6th Now 4.5x XP and so on until a max XP multiplier amount Also this could work for Squads but in much smaller increments 1st squad .1x XP 2nd Squad .2x XP 3rd squad .3x XP and so on until a max XP multiplier amount

[@mhauda]

I'd like to have more incentive to use already maxed squads while leveling the campaign, sucks to feel like you're wasting time using a maxed squad just to complete daily challenges (especially if it takes multiple matches). Maybe give a flat match xp bonus for squads with every upgrade unlocked.

[@Mehman-du5jp]

Cute donkey

[@rahjah6958]

Stopped playing ages ago because I had to grind and play things I’ve never cared about and simply don’t want to play them just to get a weapon I like, I play verdun series of games so bolt actions are not a problem in my eyes

[@arash2236]

id say getting a bigger carrot creates another problem, the guy with premium time gets way more things more than a F2P player at the same timeplayed , which leads to less balance and more P2W which means more ppl quit like i did , shortening stick is a way better option since it dosnt become P2W and unbalanced, but gaijin never cared about feedback and same goes with their "children"

[@proudgermanamerican.]

I wonder how long it takes to complete an entire campaign, like to reach the max level. I’m trying to play the Soviet campaigns In order, Moscow Stalingrad Berlin.

[@HeyQuadro]

The most xp you can earn per hour is about 90k. That's Premium, 100% win rate, battle awards, and hitting XP cap in every game. If you do that, its about 60-70ish hours to finish a campaign with no boosters. F2P, double that. Depending on skill level, double or triple it again. All in all, I think it takes the average F2P player in the ballpark of 150-200 hours to finish a campaign.

[@proudgermanamerican.]

@@HeyQuadro oh… alright then. Well that’s good to know. Thank you

[@Sturm_Hans]

i think someone from Darkflow is pointing a gun at him. lol

[@HeyQuadro]

haha no. I dont think Darkflow likes me much :(

[@frankzhang1246]

I much rather have a shorter grind than more rewards. It gets boring after not getting anything new for too long

[@ish..]

You’re not wrong that it’s too much.

[@runemoldestad4029]

TBH i dont really like the pacific, atleast not rn, but maybe i will like when they add more uniqe maps. Like all the maps are the same, it just gets boring really quick. Quadro i want ur opoinion on this, love ur vids btw

[@HeyQuadro]

eh more maps will make it better for sure. But not getting bombed by a P47 every 5 minutes is very refreshing

[@runemoldestad4029]

@@HeyQuadro i get what ur saying, but we all have dif opinions.

[@Alphagaming55-s2x]

I'm taking a nice long break from the game

[@legiox3719]

I have 109 games right now as Japan and I’m about to finish their grind. I don’t know how long that is in hours. When did Pacific release again? Lol

[@HeyQuadro]

Youre probably around the XP cap, all the hardcore players I know it took them about 110-120 games to complete Pacific.

[@ADB_UWIM_2807]

@@HeyQuadro Are things diff now cuz..... I'm at 212 and stuck at lvl 14. I'm almost always Battle Hero, top squad often enough. My WR surprising over 50% given how stacked the odds are against the Japanese. Edit..... Alot of my lost matches end in under 7mins at the first point esp on the coast. When I cap I get 150 or so ticket as the Japanese versus the few times I played the US and I got about 250 per point capped. All thing considered should that be the other way around for both balancing and historical accuracy?

[@Troylewe]

Well in the end Enlisted is a pay to progress faster... Many times i pay to complete levels in the campaign make the grind quicker; noting does better carrots still doesn't make me a better shot. Being rhetorical here. lol. So is the Carrot 🥕worth the Moolah💰?

[@HeyQuadro]

Think of it this way: If they decrease XP, then maybe you dont buy levels and they lose that money. But by doing so, they get 10 more players into the game, 4 of which spend money which ends up being more than the money they originally got.

[@ondrejriha5240]

Devs literally do nothing other than selling premium crap for 50 USD a pop

[@monkemodz3043]

i have 22 hours total 15 hours axis in stalingrad at level 8 its the only campaign i play.... its annoying how things are blocked behind paywalls, also ive noticed the more points you get in a game the more exp you get regular kills get u 30-50 points tank kills and plane kills get you 100pts so my way of getting xp is AA turrets and AT gunner and just sit on point. i dont mind the grind too bad but the whole order for weapons and troops really pisses me off i havent gotten any silver weapon thingys and im trying to upgrade my squad to hold two at guners. on another thing i do have a question.... how do i unlock the AI bombers? i have looked everywhere and cant seem to find anything on them thanks! also you have gotten a new sub!

[@diskopartizan0850]

are ai bombers on the radio squad?

[@monkemodz3043]

@@diskopartizan0850 supposedly

[@MrErnieHanks]

@@monkemodz3043 you have to unlock 'airstrike' in the unlock tree.. I've found it to be pretty crap tho. The regular artillery is better from my experience.

[@KingDarkOne1996]

I honestly lose track of what level I am on. I have so much fun playing that I really don’t care. It just keeps me playing at the end of the day. Hopefully people can just enjoy the game. If to many people leave. Then the new players will end up having no reason to play. At least we can go in to another game to try and get more xp. Most of the troops we play as didn’t even make it back home to there loved ones. Enjoy the game and forget about the xp. Do we really need to be given a reward for everything we do. I honestly don’t think so.

[@HeyQuadro]

the majority of people do want something to work towards. Some people can just play for the sake of playing, but the majority want that goal at the end of the tunnel

[@KingDarkOne1996]

@@HeyQuadro it’s really sad that being able to wake up the next day and jump back on the the game is not a good enough reward for people. Do we really not care about the people that went to fight in this war for us to the point that we won’t do something without a reward at the end. We are alive. Most of the people that went to fight in ww2 are not. I mean my family was running from the Germans so do be. The fact I am here is good enough. Is the fact you you are all still here not good enough for yous. I guess not.

[@ralphschlosser7218]

What if I eat the stick?

[@Jacob_T_Fox]

I don't mind the grind on earlier levels, but the grind for higher levels should be cut in half at the very least. I've seen a lot of players say "oh there's nothing to grind anymore so what's the point of playing" and I never understand that mentality like, you have all the cool stuff now and you're just gonna quit, why're you playing then?

[@HeyQuadro]

well thats the issue,right? Lots of players want that carrot to chase after. DF just needs to implement long term goals for those players (like achievements that take a really long time to complete).

[@happychappy8268]

Think it's just a matter of it being a free game and the Devs decided that the best way to keep people playing is a slug of a grind.

[@HeyQuadro]

Apex/Valorant/CSGO/PUBG/Fortnite dont have grinds and yet people play them. Progression is what matters, and Enlisted's progression sucks

[@zoltankiss626]

I don't think you were wrong previously. I still think the grind is too long on a per-hour basis, and some cosmetics wouldn't change that (for me at least). If Darkflow doesn't want to tone down the XP requirements per level, then they should at least let us decide when and where we use the XP boosts. The thing I most hate in this game is being forced to waste my +200% xp on a match where I'm the only human player in the team, and we get destroyed under 6-8 minutes... Just because the stupid time limit. The best option would being able to boost the match after the game ended, but the COD / BF system - where you can manually activate your boosters before the match - would also be way more tolerable, than the current BS.

[@gunsforevery1]

How would that help? The game is still randomly selecting players for the match. You selecting to use a power up before the match begins wouldnt stop it from being wasted in a match that is filled with bots.

[@zoltankiss626]

@@gunsforevery1 that's why I said, it would be best after the match. However if you play 1-2 games, you can probe the playerbase, so you know what to expext. Usually you can read the active playerbase after a few games. Rarely I see a bot filled lobby right after an epic match with high tier players on both sides. When you wait for 1-1.5 minutes on matchmaking, then you should suspect that nobody is actually playing said campaingn. That's when you store your boosters for later. Not a perfect method, but still better than the current nonsense.

[@waffles4322]

I gave up and uninstalled last week. I only get to play maybe a few hours a week, and this game is an absolute waste of time to me. I'm looking at literal months just to unlock anything decent. So I quit. I have lots of other games that give me a good time and good rewards for my time, unlike enlisted that feels like another job, not a game.

[@makisalaloum4861]

Am i the only one who can't use AA guns in Berlin;; weird camera angle and no shots fired...

[@alanjamesh.zamorano1677]

They changed the angle to something like 40 degrees upwards. To avoid AA turret mowing down infantry. It had gotten quite ridiculous at some point, with many players exploiting that feature so I'm not complaining. I'm one of the few that actually uses it for taking down enemy planes, and the overheating feature certainly ruined it for me.

[@makisalaloum4861]

@@alanjamesh.zamorano1677 my issue is that i can't use it at all. It's like the camera face the back of the gun and i can not fire or turn the gun the only function working is getting in or out of the gun...

[@rambo-cambo3581]

Can you please upload some videos talking about the animations and "clunkiness" of the game? Because if you want to know why a lot of people abandoned this F2P gem over other titles, is they felt the movement and animations were off - It wasn't enough to deter me, but I'd be lying if I said they were satisfying or good to watch Namely the movement, and sprinting function, it doesn't feel right on console or PC. As well as using things like a hammer, repair tool, it's all very stiff and janky. Reload animations and so on are surprisingly nice, it's everything else feels 'clumsy' 3rd person animations are rough too, I've seen better PS1 animations

[@lordfreezer9550]

Yes, finally someone other than me points it out, and reload animations aren't that good either. You notice when a game has a good animator behind, hell let loose, day of infamy (or insurgency), any cod (solid although very quick, fitting for a twitch shooter)

[@JeefedOn]

IF YOU WANT FREE XP FAST, GO BE AN ENGINEER IN CUSTOM MATCHES.

[@GoldenTony348]

so basically dont play the game cuz its unfun to grind and levels are unrewarding and everything not being properly balanced? got it

[@joshuafrederiksen]

I feel like this argument is kind of short sighted to begin with. The game is literally free. Go play ANY free game and tell me there is no "grind". The game doesn't have any issues for somthing you did not pay a red cent for. I personally feel like enlisted was a stepping stone for the devs to create their next big game and that it was more of a test to see how infantry combat would feel in thier previous title war thunder....which is ALSO an enormous grind if you make it be. Did any body ever consider that maybe it's not the game that is a grind but your need to have the top tier content that the game has to offer. I remember a time long ago before the internet where when you were not invested enough you didn't beat a video game and that was okay. Is it "necessity" to have that gear or is it "luxury" I think is the real argument.

[@HeyQuadro]

...no lol. Theres many F2P games without a grind. Valorant and CSGO both jump to mind immediately. and Enlisted isn't a stepping stone for a different game, they literally made a different game (Cuisine Royale) to test the mechanics for Enlisted. And this isnt some new age internet thing. Reward loops arent new, they existed long before the Internet in Mario, Tetris, and Galaga.

[@joshuafrederiksen]

@@HeyQuadro firstly counter strike wasn't a free to play to begin with also valorant you grind for operators.....so I don't see your point there. You can go ahead and list off a bunch of games with "reward loops" because that wasn't even what I was referring to at all... those exist everywhere in life. A "carrot on a stick" however is a completely different concept in where somone has power over how much "carrot" you get and has no reflection on how "good" you may be at getting the carrot. Take your edgy teenage crap somewhere else. I bet you played Mario, Galaga and tetris on emulator SON.

[@HeyQuadro]

@@joshuafrederiksen Carrot on a stick is metaphor for incentivizing behavior, which is exactly what this video is about. Games Incentivize players to grind/play the game by offering them rewards. The rewards of Enlisted arent good enough, and therefor players arent incentivized enough to continue playing. It's not "edgy teenage crap", its basic game design. And no, I played all of those games on their original cabinets or systems while I studied to get my degree in game design. I also learned what an ad hominem fallacy is, you should look that one up, "son".

[@ADB_UWIM_2807]

You mean back in the good ole days where a single 8 hour sesh could clear a game. Here in Enlisted thats enough to clear a single level. Versus all. Yet here I am half way thru Nap campaign with almost 100 matches

[@b127ritter2]

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[@i_hate_sparksrafa8586]

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