Queen Elizabeth Class - Guide 008 Part 2 (Human Voice)

[@redshirt5126]

Just imagine coming across a sign in Liverpool that said "speed limit enforced by battleship."

[@MoA-Reload...]

There's a hint to how mental Liverpool is: "Riots in Liverpool sir. Will we send in soldiers in riot gear?" "Are you mad?! Get me the Royal Navy on the horn. We need a Battleship for those nutters!"

[@Nightdare]

"This is the mayor" "You seem to have parked a _Battleship_ outside my city to keep the streets safe?" "...no that's not what I meant" "Sir, in my request for assistance, I called upon the Royal British Navy patrolling the streets with *12 gauge* weaponry, not *15 INCH* " "Yes, , ...yes sir, I know they are bigger, but,..." "Yes the rioters have dissapp... ....Understood, alright, yes sir, thank you for your help, ....God save the king!"

[@George_M_]

The modernized version of the class are easily the best looking battleship ever. Makes one think of an imperial star destroyer.

[@BlahCraft1]

Idk, I think the modernized USS Texas is the most Star Destroyer-esque.

[@Human1337]

Not sure if it's been found already, image of the ship at liverpool drive.google.com/file/d/1kuEugMCgraYbXyWYtLl-A1XQX0mtAwON/view?usp=sharing

[@mellothejello3285]

😂

[@pauln1557]

Those 4 crewmen look familiar!!

[@craighagenbruch3800]

Nothing says i am the law like a British battleship off the liverpool coast

[@Peorhum]

He failed to mention that the Valiant went into dry dock fully loaded for some quick work and was for the most part fully operational. Sadly the engineer in charge of the dock misjudged her weight due to her being fully loaded. It was the sinking of the dry dock that damaged her and removed her from the war. A sad end to a great ship, with as great war record. She would have likely worked along side her chummy ship, the Queen Elizabeth for the rest of the war supporting ground forces against the Japanese if the accident had not happened.

[@nnoddy8161]

Did the Marines restore public order in Liverpool? A certain Greek prince (now in his mid '90s), I believe served on HMS Valiant during its stint in the Med.

[@reallifescottsterling1471]

Ok with computer voice but prefer human voices

[@bxtmedia3199]

i'm pretty sure a 15 inch shell is a pretty effective way of stopping a riot rather abruptly.

[@sheep8618]

“Fear will keep the local systems in line, fear of this battlestation” - Wilhuff Tarkin

[@DanielWW2]

4:32. I think I do. Just casually pointing those 15 inch guns towards the rioters might do the trick. Maybe for good measure fire one gun with a reduced charge and no projectile to get everybody there attention. :P

[@paoloviti6156]

William Signs as far I understood during the 2nd WW only the Yamato and the Musashi with it's massive 460 mm cannons was supplied with the AA shells packed with incendiary tubes and steel stays fitted with a time fuze. If my memory serves me correct it was the only kind of shell with characteristics similar to the cannister charge...

[@khaccanhle1930]

I think just one powder charge from the 15 inch rifles would make any one crap their pants and jump a foot in the air. Afterwards, most people would scurry for cover.

[@stallfighter]

@William Signs thats EXACTLY what QE used at Gallipoli

[@zali13]

That's because HMS Malaya was paid for by the Federated Malay States :) Also, a warship's crew, especially a battleship with so many men on board, armed with truncheons and what not, plus its complement of Royal Marines might be formed into naval landing parties that can be used to maintain law and order.

[@JoJeck]

My favourite class of battleships as they were major players in both world wars. They seem to epitomise the Royal Navy during this period, and despite their advanced age towards the end of WW2 they were still effective units.

[@SennaAugustus]

The QEs are the very definition of the words battleship and dreadnought. Every quality you can think of will apply to them.

[@sarjim4381]

The Marine contingent and about 100 sailors of the ship were put under arms and deployed to the streets. According to various news accounts of the time, the huge sword-like bayonets used on the SMLE rifles of the time had a salutary effect on giving the rioters second thoughts.

[@RonJohn63]

It's so obvious, I can't believe that Drachinifel didn't think of that.

[@patrickmcleod111]

@@RonJohn63 Wait, does that really sound like a more logical and rational plan, than to lob 15" shells onto the 'general vicinity' of the rioting? I'm not so sure.......

[@RonJohn63]

@@patrickmcleod111 you seem to be implying that "Send in a company of Marines" is less logical and reasonable than shelling the city with 15" shells. Please correct me if I misunderstand your comment.

[@patrickmcleod111]

@@RonJohn63 Sarcasm

[@RonJohn63]

@@patrickmcleod111 it doesn't travel well over text.

[@ellisonms]

I served in a similar function. All civilian police forces are organized by military hierarchies (i.e. the "Peelers" of London and onward.). A large warship already has a trained security force to guard the ship in port. From an anchored warship I was placed in charge of a Shore Patrol section that essentially had police powers over ALL U.S. Military people in Hong Kong. It doesn't take much of a stretch of imagination for that onboard security force to take unused in-port manpower from other ship's departments to augment security patrols to provide security patrols for a city. But don't think those guys are fine tuned to civilian's rights! The UCMJ (Uniformed Code Of Military Justice) (under which all of our service members serve to this day) is much more draconian in it's empowerments. And an organized group of 22 year old's with automatic weapons tends to have it's way.

[@khaccanhle1930]

Not to mention that a riot on the waterfront would be instantly quelled if the ship fired a blank charge. People would scurry.

[@johnivkovich8655]

07:10 to 07:29 Dacs discomfort is apparent by his pattern of speech. As a man who has served on surface combatants I hope that most people involved in ship design share your aversion to such tragedy.

[@jehb8945]

I kind of use the explosion of HMS barham as a way to get an idea of how massive the magazine explosion on HMS Hood was. with all respects of course paid to the 862 souls that were lost with the battleship

[@theread59]

My dad survived the Barham sinking. He was just 17 at the time.

[@NicWalker627]

Germans at Jutland: see how gud we damage your ships? HMS Warspite: Hold my coal.

[@siobhra4096]

Oil not coal, she (and the rest of her class) were oil fired. Easy mistake to make though. Edit: also oil is somewhat closer to beer than coal is - it is possible (but a very bad idea) to drink fuel oil, coal however is not so easy to drink.

[@TheSwiftrain]

Find it interesting that several of these where decommissioned DURING ww2,a sign of both the eclipse of the battleship and how desperately overstretched Britain's resources where.

[@Jin-Ro]

If your resources are overstretched, then the last thing you would do is scrap your resources.

[@TheSwiftrain]

Ah but the resoucres need to keep a ship running are also substantial

[@Jin-Ro]

@@TheSwiftrain 85% of all the resources used on D-Day were British. I'm doubtful running a battleship would have made much difference.

[@anarchyandempires5452]

@@Jin-Ro not much use in a battleship if your opponent doesn't really have a navy, the fuel and supplies that went into keeping one of this beauties afloat could easily be able to Support a dozen destroyers and a few Cruisers, Germany didn't have big gunships any more all they had were submarines and a Battleship is nothing but a jucy Target to those most of the time, effectively they were a useless waist of Britain's fragile economy. Hell even if you take the Japanese into account by this point the us was pumping 1 destroyer a day and a brand new carrier every other week, this old dreadnoughts were simply useless my dude, too slow to keep up with a carrier, too old to be retrofitted, too weak to realistically compare with the Iowas and Montanas etc...

[@timsimms65707]

The ship could land hundreds of armed sailors and marines to police the streets, with the Battleship acting as a potent reminder of the power of the Crown.

[@CorePathway]

And the Crown’s power comes straight from God. It’s probably hard for you, being a subject of this system, to see how straight-up blasphemous and borderline evil that is.

[@timsimms65707]

@@CorePathway It isn't easy being Human no matter where you are or under what system.

[@CorePathway]

@@timsimms65707 true that, brother.

[@adamdubin1276]

Rioters? Sail the ship just off the coast and fire the main guns at a field just outside the city... the sound of 8 15-inch guns going off should make people rethink their choices in life. If that doesn't work I seem to recall something about Royal Navy Battleships carrying sizable detachments of Royal Marines for occasions such as these.

[@nickradell2385]

Thank you for the human voice. The computers inflection and accent were disconcerting.

[@vonkergan7004]

Return to order or we will be forced to sink Ireland gentlemen.

[@Chartdoc62]

About 5:00 - it was MALAYA that received a partial modernization in the 1930's with the addition of an aircraft hangar and cross deck catapult. Barham was the one that didn't receive anything of the sort, retaining the basic layout of the 1920's refit till she was sunk.

[@Chartdoc62]

@@MAAAAAAAAAA123 Hi Mason, sorry, but you're mistaken. Yes, Barham was refitted between 1931-34, receiving extra deck armour, a tripod mast and HA directors and later got 4 twin 4-inch AA mounts, but in 1934-36 Malaya received a greater refit which included the hangar (built around the funnel similar to Warspite, Valiant and QE) and cross-deck catapult, extra deck armour, HA directors and 4 twin 4-inch mounts. Barham only had a catapult fitted to X-turret. Malaya then had a wartime refit from Oct-Dec 1942 in which the catapult and aircraft were removed and another pair of twin 4-inch were added on the former catapult deck. Look at WW2 photos of the two ships and you'll see the difference. So Barham was the least modified of all the QE's.

[@Chartdoc62]

@@MAAAAAAAAAA123 Hello again Mason . I really have to thank you for this discussion! It seems the Wikipedia page on Malaya may be the source of the misinformation. The information there on Malaya's lack of reconstruction is incorrect. Malaya apparently had her first rebuild in which her funnels were trunked into one in 1927-29. Barham's similar rebuild did not take place until 1931-34 so she did NOT in fact have her funnels trunked until then! (I previously thought that was in the 20's like the others). Malaya was again partially rebuilt 1934-36 when she got the hangar and catapult. Barham had no further major modifications. So I've learned something too!

[@skiingcrocodile2153]

I immediately watched the Pathé video as soon as he mentioned it, and HOLY SHIT it's some of the rawest footage I've ever seen, it's incredible that it was captured on film.

[@McRocket]

To me, these were the first, modern British battleships. 15" guns, good turn of speed and decent armour. All the others before her having varying degrees of rather silly main battery placement. Interesting that the Americans got main turret placement right the first time...but then got a bit goofy themselves in that they fell completely in love with twin turrets (see the Wyoming class in particular). It was not until the Nevada class that they finally got back to the 'proper' two turrets forward (one superimposed) and one/two turrets aft (also superimposed if needed).

[@tomkelley7174]

May I ask, Drachinifel , what your academic credentials are? Thank you!

[@lexington476]

@4:40 she probably put marines ashore.

[@andrewturnbull1027]

listen enforcing the law with battleships on the streets of liverpool does have its unique advantage of thwarting even scousers as you simply cant steal the wheels off a battleship like you can on a police car, 0bviously !

[@alexlupsor5484]

Would t be possible that you do a report on the “Merchantmen that were reconstructed to be anchored doubles while the real ships were being rebuilt in dry dock somewhere in the Med.” to hide the fact of the serious nature of the attacks?

[@jetcity18]

Beautiful ships that gave sterling service. Warspite and her history has always fascinated me, she was a real jewel in the fleet.

[@generalbutsatisfied0317]

Malaya really got bullied for awhile there, that's really sad for her

[@ptonpc]

A suggestion. HMS Ramilies of the Revenge class.

[@mqbitsko25]

One enforces the law on the streets with a battleship in the same way the U.S. Navy helped quell the draft riots in New York City during the Civil War: OPEN FIRE! People riot. Pieces of people, in the other hand, are pretty mellow as a general rule.

[@Idahoguy10157]

Damn shame the Queen Elizabeth wasn’t preserved as a memorial and museum.

[@Kakarot64.]

Warspite would have been a better choice for museum ship

[@markharlock6474]

@@Kakarot64. Queen Elizabeth did great service with the British Pacific Fleet in 1944/45 and would have made a fine museum ship!

[@matthewrobinson4323]

Re: Liverpool. A landing party of Marines and Sailors acting as Shore Patrol would be my guess.

[@jonadabtheunsightly]

How do you enforce the law on the streets of a city, with a battleship? Well, battleships have crew. Hundreds of men, most of them with at least a little military training, and if they've been at sea long, they have usually developed a significant amount of camaraderie, which makes it relatively easy for them to work together, especially when following orders. Even if the orders are a little bit out of their ordinary line of duty.

[@michaelkaylor6770]

For the Valiant in Police duties, “If I can hit the Turks from fifteen minutes away, over a hill, with WW I communication... Wanna Play hide in an Alley?”

[@taggartlawfirm]

HMS RAWALPINDI .... along with the battle off Samar that is one of the bravest stands in maritime history.

[@GeneralKenobiSIYE]

They had their marines or crew land and enforce the law in town.

[@lamwen03]

Marines. And even sailors in GB might be a steadying influence.

[@georgewnewman3201]

"One riot, one battleship!" to misquote the Texas Rangers motto. and you use a battleship to enforce the law the same way the USN used a ship of the line to enforce the law in New York City during the 1863 draft riots.

[@ronaldfinkelstein6335]

Presumably, the Valiant's crew were given small arms, and ordered to patrol the streets; a parallel to the US National Guard, being used to quell rioting.

[@BruceK10032]

The images are not coordinated with the narration. While the narrator talks about Jutland, we see these ships in 1930s and WWII configurations mixed in with the WWI-era photos.

[@kwzieleniewski]

@4:41 After January Uprising the Russians build a fort just outside the capital city of Warsaw and annouced they would destroy the city with artillery shoud it rise or riot again. _Such_ curfew enforcement would be possible with a battleship. But not on a friendly city.

[@geoffreymarshall639]

The British government put battleships in all the rivers they could so they could shell the working class areas if the civil war the government feared materialized.

[@8aleph]

The Brits got their monies worth out the Queen Elizabeth class

[@luvr381]

So, instead of grounding ships like the US, Brits just ram each other?

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

How to enforce the law with a battleship. Broadside on, stop or I'll shoot!!!😄

[@B52Stratofortress1]

Name me a WW1 era battleship that retained its usefulness and combat abilities throughout the second war. I would personally say the QE class are the most successful battleship class of all time. The Iowas may have been reactivated in the 1980s but never did anything of significance besides costing billions to rebuild and operate.

[@colbeausabre8842]

USS Nevada, USS Pennsylvania, USS Maryland (all rearmed with 8X2 5/38 inch and 40 or so Bofors and 40 or so Oerlikons) USS Idaho, USS New Mexico, USS Mississippi - had most up to date pre-war refits so not modernized much beyond Bofors and Oerlikins.. USS Colorado - refitted. USS Tennessee, USS California, USS West Virginia - completely rebuilt with new superstructures resembling the South Dakota class, bulged, modern fire control and radar added, 8X2 5/38 inch and 40 or so each Bofors and Oerlikons Many fought at Surigao Strait where they smashed the IJN's Southern Force in the last BB vs BB battle in history

[@B52Stratofortress1]

@@colbeausabre8842 The Standard battleships refitted or not were incredibly slow... Not all that useful for anything other than shore bombardment. The Japanese ships that they engaged at Surigao straight were of the same vintage and completely obsolete, not to mention already crippled by aircraft.

[@colbeausabre8842]

@@B52Stratofortress1 I know, but the OP's question was what WW1 BB's retained their usefulness throughout WW2, claiming that the Queen Elizabeth's were an example of such and wanting to know if any other ships did so. My response was to show the US BB's did. As for any difference of speed, between the QE's and Standard Type, it amounted to maybe 3 knots by WW2. The QE's may have been fast BB's by 1914 standards but they rank among the slow BB's by 1940 or so. Also, please tell me what IJN' BB's were crippled at Surigao Strait. As for being obsolete, they were no more so the RM BB's the RN faced in the Med

[@B52Stratofortress1]

@@colbeausabre8842 IJN battleships Fuso and Yamashiro were at the Surigao straight. I'm pretty sure they were unable to score any hits on the American ships before being sunk.

[@vikkimcdonough6153]

Wait, does modernized _Barham_ actually have a _pagoda mast?!_

[@seanbohannon]

I would imagine it was matter of providing crew for street patrols.

[@michiganfarmer69]

What about the HMS Warspite shooting at that destroy and vaperizing it at point blank range

[@bigblue6917]

A long a varied career for the class.

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

CO of Valiant to Liverpool: one window brakes and the hole town will be shelled. Try me. Come on you tossers! Do it!

[@briancox2721]

Three ways to put down a riot with a battleship: land Marines, fire star shells over the crowds, and fire explosive shells into the crowds. The last is more or less a war crime suitable only for use by the worst of monsters.

[@MarekDohojda]

But you must say.....rather effecitve ;)

[@andrewcutler222]

It would be good to do that to Leftest. In the US.

[@andrewzheng4038]

@@andrewcutler222 as much as you might hate rioters, I think a full salvo of 15 inch shells would do more collatetal damage to the buildings the ship is trying to protect in seconds than rioters could do in hours...

[@tomarmadiyer2698]

*transformer sounds, but POSH*

[@alanrogers7090]

Re: Liverpool police Strike. Maybe the sight of the ship at dock alone would have kept the peace? But what I really think, Several of the ship's crew were made temporary Police officers until the strike was over. Crewman to striking Policeman: "Knock it off and get back to work, or else." "Yeah? Or else what?" "Or else we will pick you up and load you into one of our guns and send you home directly!"

[@larrytrail2865]

Every battleship- actually, any capital ship- has a detachment of Marines for boarding parties. Since 2 Brit Marines= 5 drunks, it would be fairly easy for the typical platoon of 30 men/15 groups of two to patrol the streets of a city.

[@patrickkeefe1919]

After the U-boat fired at Barham, it dived and heard the explosion but the crew did not realise Barham had sunk - however, the RN knew this from radio intercepts and therefore didn't announce the sinking for months (the pathe news clip wasn't published until years after) to keep the Axis unaware there were only 2 battleships available. The incident also led to the last conviction under the witchcraft act 1735 .... (search the wikipedia entry re Helen Duncan in Portsmouth). Regarding the extraordinary Italian raid on Alexandria, it took the Axis some time to realise they'd sunk Valiant & QE. This was because the frogmen were captured and, when the reconnaissance plane flew over in the morning, Adm Cunningham had the crews paraded on deck so it looked like nothing was wrong!

[@tonybennett638]

ANZAC day in Australia and was New Zealand truly a reminder of what our grand father and Great grandfather may haven gave to the British Empire..in a land so far away from Australia as in the time didn't know where it was .. but never to mind it's in the day King and country.

[@cliverogers4933]

Might I suggest the products of Thornycroft and Vosper as suitable subjects of discussion and any insightful comment as to why they were closed down by BAE

[@nickburningham5143]

Very good. But why "Historiographer" rather than the more respectable "Historian". There's no historiography in these videos, thank goodness.

[@robertewing3114]

5.51 surely R class, not this class, but good voice and story every time, just the first class ticket...

[@TankGun90]

I think the knowledge of a battleship being present and possibly opening fire on rioters would be enough to psychologicale put a stop to any rioting or additional riot flare ups. Just my opinion of course :)

[@pauln1557]

In Liverpool, when the Marines returned to their ship, after restoring order ashore, they found that all the ships teak decking had been stolen - that's Scousers for you!

[@Scarheart76]

Always sad to hear such ships are scrapped in the end. It's like reading a tragic story. Pardon me while I get another box of tissues. ;(

[@clearingbaffles]

Bravo Zulu he appears alive

[@anarchyandempires5452]

"Either You get off the street or we'll make both you and the street Go Kaboom!!!...... Please don't get off the street I really want to see that.

[@267BISMARK]

the turks/ german had many howitzers behind the hills which the BB guns would never hit

[@daveelliott5855]

Beautiful Ships, facintated that they could build such machines 100 years ago

[@sr71blackbirddr]

With so much scrappage in 1948 we must of lost more ships than we retained 😢

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

HMS Barham: *exists* U-331: DODGE THIS!

[@insertcomicalphraseman8330]

Wierd flex but like 96

[@realtalk361]

You can enforce law with a battleship by using her primary guns on those breaking the law

[@coy0te9]

The police strike situation is simple. A few hundred armed sailors on the streets.

[@hms_malaya]

Why MALAYA got bullied realy bad

[@hms_malaya]

Can't MALAYA get some love

[@stephaniewilson3955]

I would suggest that the crew were used on the streets of Liverpool rather than the vessel herself. I believe battleships had large crews.

[@williamaittala7700]

very large wheels

[@atakorkut5110]

I guess u can fire on the town idk how good that would do but yeah I mean I could do that

[@Loretta2004]

Why would the Barham explode? It is not that the torpedo charges ignited something? Or are the charges of the main artillery so instable that when tumbling over in the capsizing ship, they explode? I was wondering about this question on another occasion already. Like Yamato and maybe others. Thank you in advance for your answer(s).

[@1986Agrippa]

The cordite propellant charges are extremely volatile and these would start a flash fire which in turn detonated the ammunition in the magazines.

[@ptonpc]

As 1996Agrippa suggests. There could also have been fires on board which may have set off the propellant. Another cause could be when the cold water hits the furnaces, you can get a 'steam explosion'.

[@Drachinifel]

Lot's of possibilities, things falling over causing a spark in the magazines, random fires spreading to the magazines, boilers exploding and setting off the magazines. Possibly even something big enough tearing free or falling and compressing the shells enough to set them off. Ironically in some ways once your ship is going over like this you actually kind of want it to be poorly designed for watertight integrity, that way water is more likely to get to the magazines before anything more dangerous.

[@Loretta2004]

Vielen Dank an Euch alle für die schnelle Antwort - Thank you to all of you for your quick reply!

[@robertewing3114]

Ominous dark smoke visible I seem to recall, confirming internal fire or fires, then exploded.

[@luisestrada9290]

Tus videos son buenos lastima que no les entienda 😭😭😭

[@deejay0428]

More information on the Malaya please....

[@alritedave]

You sunk my scrabbleship.

[@reallifescottsterling1471]

Funny

[@bearzilla2462]

Not

[@lexington476]

And it was a toe-to-toe snuggling match 🙂.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@allisinthepass]

Cant have lawlessness in the streets if there aren't any streets.

[@redbank493]

Have you done a video on the V & W class destroyers?

[@moldypotato777]

Were her men used as a temporary police force?

[@tommybason6057]

This ship is good fun to play in world of warships

[@SuperibyP]

I think the microphone quality has somewhat lessened as compared to in the HMS Hood video.

[@Drachinifel]

There was some weird feedback in the audio when I recorded this one and it needed several iterations of noise scrubbing to get rid of, probably degraded the rest of the audio a bit as well.

[@seanangelo7950]

Turn off your phone Drach... xD 4:00

[@maxkennedy8075]

For restoring law and order I think a few thousand sailors and a few royal marines would suffice

[@keithrose6931]

A few stokers would have done it !

[@digitalfantazia3953]

Thanks for this. My late grandfather on the HMS Valiant.

[@keithrose6931]

My father served on HMS Valiant

[@blbobobo]

What’s the name of the song itself? I can’t find it on the KZbin page you linked

[@Drachinifel]

The Last Warrior

[@Aelvir114]

4:02 eyy you got a message :)

[@aidentoscan1768]

You should do a video on the Emden