We Are The Champions contains an incredibly complex chord sequence, join me to figure out the most difficult chord of them all... and one that I've never seen anyone else get right
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@LeviClay28 күн бұрын
I love a wee puzzle! There’s two answers. The obvious one is that it’s an accidental polychord. That’s how it sounds, unintended crunch. Then there’s the pragmatic approach. The mistake people love to make is naming minor chords with #5s… any time you do that you’ve gone wrong. It’s never that, that’s a major chord in 1st inversion. Functionally that’s what it’s doing, Eb/G moves up to Ab. The harmonies in the voice are just “out” (but cool) If you think of it as a true polychord Fmaj/Ebmaj, you can get all 6 notes and in the right inversion. 3 1 1 2 1 1 - G Bb Eb A C F But playing all the notes doesn’t make the chord! You gotta play the function!
@jimzitrone135726 күн бұрын
I agree, but this comment will be buried under "They are all geniuses" comments. After all the whole video is trying to make use of the genius cult whereas the easy answer is: they just tried out some notes (or just continued them from the chord before) over Eb and put the G in the bass...
@LeviClay26 күн бұрын
@@mcarra4072 even more so when you ignore the mix. In the section in question the piano is 1/3 as loud as the BVs and guitar, and should be considered as such.
@mehditayshun559525 күн бұрын
Exactly. Just sounding out all those notes within those two beats does NOT MAKE IT ALL ONE CHORD !!
@mychalevenson771025 күн бұрын
Answers from the master himself.
@marcogusy687024 күн бұрын
Right! Everything can be reduced to triads, and to my ear this is a Eb(with 6th) in first inversion. I would add that what Freddie did is simple passing notes in the bass line (from f to c) while keeping the C Eb F in the right hand, then harmonized accordingly. It's a smart way to come back from f major to f minor.
@bugeyedmudafuka2Ай бұрын
"No time for losers"sounds like the nah nah na nah nah thing kids sing when they are teasing each other.
@RandgalfАй бұрын
Seems appropriate to mock the loser, now doesn't it?
@RebornAudioАй бұрын
That’s literally what it is
@Mark-db1okАй бұрын
Kinda like the "nah nahs" at the end of Lovin touchin squeezin by Journey. Right after the line "now it's your turn girl to cry"
@meofnz232029 күн бұрын
Came here to say that!
@SaccoBelmonte28 күн бұрын
Totally.
@Jeebizz10128 күн бұрын
Freddie was an absolute titan of a frontman...charisma, voice, great songwriting, great playing, vision and dedication, truly a shooting star deserved the highest praise
@0v4k1lАй бұрын
Queen are creative genius. How they came up with those masterpieces is beyond comprehension.
@JamesHargreavesGuitarАй бұрын
Mercury and May are up there with Lennon and McCartney in my book
@SanderBelt-qz2ueАй бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar Deacy and Roger also. Think about how the bassline in another one bites the dust gels with Mercury’s vocal. Then how the drums don’t overpower either. Skilled musicians with classical training.
@davidf6326Ай бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar Well beyond Lennon and McCartney in my opinion.
@chezchezchezchezАй бұрын
Are you from Europe? Americans say “Queen is… “ Because the group, Queen, is singular Of course, if you changed it and said “the members of the group queen ARE….” Then you be saying that modified statement like an American would.
@davidf632629 күн бұрын
@@chezchezchezchez Strange how you didn't comment on the associated fact the OP mixed singular and plural in the same sentence i.e. 'Queen _are_ creative _genius_'. Incidentally, mixing a group name with a plural verb is certainly a common occurrence in British English, but it's just as grammatically incorrect as it would be in the USA. I can't say as I've noticed any particular prevalence of the correct form in American English, but I'll take your word for it. In the UK, though, I'd hazard a guess the erroneous form is more commonly seen than the correct one.
@cbernz28 күн бұрын
There is a much simpler way of analyzing/thinking about this progression. "No time" is an F major, and "losers" is simply that F major sustained over Eflat major. G and Bflat in the piano is part of a 1st inversion Eflat, not G minor, and the vocal harmony also includes F, which makes that chord more of an F7 than an Adim.
@fromchomleystreet27 күн бұрын
Yep. It’s an Eb major triad and an F major triad, sounded together over G in the bass. IMO, the simplest and most straightforward way to name that chord is F11, with the second scale degree in the bass.
@toddclarke158026 күн бұрын
I was hearing exactly a f/ to f7. The same way most progressions use the 7th chord.
@nostromissimo25 күн бұрын
Yep, #5 cant be right. That note must be Eb not D#. Also a way to look at the progression is an F chord going to an Eb chord going to a Db chord using inversions to make a climbing bass line under a descending chord sequence. I think it's possible Freddie had this in mind because how would he have thought to use Db/Ab instead of the more obvious F7/A? The idea that he used major chords that descended in consecutive steps whilst the bass rises is more elegant and ingenious than any idea that involves thinking about a Gmin chord.
@lewis-op5ui25 күн бұрын
it is a eb69(#4)/g
@dirtyharry188125 күн бұрын
So I would hear it as an F11th with the G at the bass. It could be a Eb but the presence of an A makes it too convoluted. Better go with F11 with G at the bass which moves step-wise.
@eatsleepdrums28 күн бұрын
Someone has already correctly identified this chord as an F9 with the supertonic (G) in the bass that momentarily becomes an F11 chord so I'm not going to add anything further to that. What I would like to do however is comment on your conclusion that the chord was a Gm11#5. Something that drives music theorists mental, and something that causes widespread confusion for people trying to learn music theory, is the incorrect 'spelling' of notes within chords. Whether you believe that chord to sound correct enharmonically, there is NO #5 note contained within it. The sharpened 5th note in that chord (if there was to be one) would be spelled as a D#, NOT an Eb. This might sound like I'm being completely pedantic but this distinction is incredibly important in terms of understanding scale and chord construction and flagrant disregard for these age old conventions leads to a lot of confusion for people trying to get their heads around music theory. It is impossible to have a 5th note of any quality (perfect, augmented, diminished) within a G scale that isn't spelled as a note D. The Eb you're referring to is on the 6th degree of the scale and that would have to be reflected in the way you label the chord. As it stands though, your identification of the chord is incorrect anyway (as is your conclusion that the backing vocals are singing an A dim chord).
@mmez44226 күн бұрын
thank you for pointing out such an important thing and such a common mistake
@dirtyharry188125 күн бұрын
Thank you so much. So much is wrong in this analysis... The loser chord is F11 in 4th inversion (9th at the bottom), though the real way to interpret it would be to ignore the G as a filler between F and A flat at the bass.
@eatsleepdrums25 күн бұрын
@@mmez442 You're welcome. It's a critical part of music theory that often gets overlooked, or worse - abused, by amateur musicians. It results in total confusion when trying to understand more complicated music theory applications further down the line.
@TheLetterH11124 күн бұрын
I'm curious- if this were actually a G minor chord in the context of a song would you write it at Gm13? The chord has the minor 7th, maj 9th, 11th and minor 13th
@eatsleepdrums24 күн бұрын
@@TheLetterH111 The Gm13 chord would have an E natural, not an Eb, in the chord though. That's what steered me away from it in the first instance.
@SaccoBelmonteАй бұрын
I hear mostly FMaj on "no time for" and F7/G for the "losers" chord. The bass is going upwards on each strong beat towards the climax at "champions" and that's why it plays the second grade of F7 in "losers" which creates tension and sounds just right. It seems like a natural pianistic thing Freddie did there in the middle of his flow while composing it.
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
Perhaps you mean F7? It’s definitely not an Fmaj7 because that would require the presence of an E (the major seventh relative to an F root), rather than the Eb that’s there (the MINOR seventh relative to an F root). It definitely has all the notes of an F7 present, but if it’s a kind of F chord (and I agree that is a far more intuitive way to think of it than to think of it as some kind of overly-complex G chord) it’s actually an F9 with the second degree (the G) in the bass, and which very briefly becomes an F11 just for the tiny moment Freddie hits the Bb in the arpeggio. The description of the chord in the video is wildly over complicated.
@SaccoBelmonte28 күн бұрын
@@fromchomleystreet Yeah stupid me. Definitely a F dominant 7. Corrected.
@nostromissimo25 күн бұрын
@@SaccoBelmonteyou do actually have a point. There is no 7th in the chord over 'No time for', but if there was any 7th implied it would likely be the maj7th, not the dom7. I'd say that it's right that you hear Fmaj7, it's the I chord after all at that point.
@dirtyharry188125 күн бұрын
@@fromchomleystreet Oh, I didn't read your comment and I wrote the same thing.
@silkworm8725 күн бұрын
Pianistic... 😅
@StrawberryCosmonautАй бұрын
I’m liking this concept of you trying to find weird chords in popular songs! Really cool
@mehditayshun559525 күн бұрын
Black dog. Jimmy plays A & G whereas John Paul Jones clearly goes from a to f#sharp
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
It’s just an F9 chord (with the second degree, the G, in the bass) which very, very briefly becomes an F11 chord for the passing moment Freddie’s right hand hits the Bb as part of the arpeggio, which momentarily rubs against the A in the vocals. I disagree that he’s playing a Bb with his left hand. All I hear is the G (possibly in octaves), so that passing Bb in the arpeggio is the only time the note appears. It barely counts as part of the chord but, again, to the extent that you could argue it does, it just briefly adds one more extension onto the chord, adding the eleventh to the flat seventh and ninth that are already there, and momentarily turning an F9 into an F11. The ways you’re interpreting even the composite parts of the chord are really counter-intuitive and and needlessly complicated. For example, describing 4:58 as an Adim, when in context those three notes would be clearly functioning as the third, fifth and minor seventh of an F9, even if the F root wasn’t clearly audible in the vocal stack (and it is), is just perverse. The simple explanations are usually the best. “No time for” is a simple F major chord, and all three of the notes that make up that triad remain for the next chord. They are just joined by others. That’s the first clue that we are still in some kind of F, but are adding extensions to it. EDIT: listening again, I think there actually is a Bb in the vocal stack, which would make it F11/G throughout. It means you have all three notes of an F major triad, and all three notes of an Eb major triad. So it would make some kind of sense to analyse it as some kind of Eb, but NO sense to analyse it as some kind of Gm.
@eatsleepdrums28 күн бұрын
I totally agree with you here. Also, the initial observation from James that the backing vocals were singing an A dim chord had me scratching my head. They're singing the notes F, A and Eb which when combined with the supertonic in the bass completes the F9 chord. The video completely over complicates what's going on.
@itsjohnnymillion27 күн бұрын
What a fantastic deconstruction! I was blown away when I realized how dense ALL of their vocal harmonies are. I mean, it's obvious that they're HUGE but they sound like Queen because there are so many augmentations layered in there that go beyond typical vocal arrangements. Simply brilliant.
@robbocat7643Ай бұрын
I had no idea this was even a mystery, and I am now totally satisfied with your solution. Great stuff man!
@visogАй бұрын
Great analysis. Gotta love the sheer musicality of Freddie and Queen.
@gioknows27 күн бұрын
I remember the first time I heard this song when it came out, I was only 12 or 13 years old and even then I realized THAT chord was something special. You really broke this down wonderfully. My thanks. Cheers from Ottawa, Canada🍁
@vladmay7727Ай бұрын
Wow, wish some Queen content was regular on your channel!
@JamesHargreavesGuitarАй бұрын
I’d actually love to do more stuff on Queen, I think they’re a top band. If this vid does ok, I may do more 👍👍
@bugeyedmudafuka2Ай бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar oh please do. Your documentaries are always a great watch.
@tonybates787027 күн бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar I'm not a massive fan but I think that they were very good at what they did, so some analysis of the band's methods etc would be really interesting.
@itsjohnnymillion27 күн бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar This is my first visit to your channel and it must have been fed to me because of the Queen in my algorithm.
@pluaninoxcАй бұрын
What a fascinating video, James! I’m going to try playing this later. My interpretation, from “no time for…” (in the key I play it) has always been: E Dsus2/F# G A7 B-9 I’m looking forward to experimenting! Have a great day. M
@aceman00ify27 күн бұрын
Dsus2/F# sounds correct. 2-x-0-2-3-0.
@chrismauchs28 күн бұрын
Nice video. One thing i think i should point out is that there is no A in the backing vocals. From what i hear, it's 4 notes, G-Bb-Eb-F, in that order (The Bb is a bit hidden, but you can clearly hear it if you focus on the melodic movement of that voice during the whole section). The only A in the chord comes from the melody, however i wouldnt really consider it as a part of the chord, but more like an appoggiatura. To me the chord feels like a Eb/G with like the 6th and the 9th (i guess its a Eb6/9 over G) Edit: I forgot there was also a C on the vocal harmony. And another thing, there is no Bb on the left hand of the piano; Freddie, as usual on his style of playing, just plays a G octave with his left hand
@eatsleepdrums25 күн бұрын
To my ears, there is an A in the backing vocals, along with an F and an Eb.
@Spyking1824 күн бұрын
This. Kind of. Should definitely consider A part of the chord. It happens right on the downbeat, and it is the primary sound that is stuck in our ear. Also, there is no C in the vocals. He said there was, but that’s not correct. If it is there, it’s much much quieter than that B♭ you said was hidden. And by the way, the B♭ really isn’t hidden in volume, it’s just hard for our ear to hear the fifths of the chords as their own thing sometimes, and I find that people often mistake a note for being an octave away when it’s actually a major seventh away (in this case from the melody). Really the overarching sound is the F backing singer holding on between both chords and the lead holding an A both times as well, for a continuous “F major” sound, all while the rest of the band is moving upward to an inversion of E♭.
@Spyking1824 күн бұрын
One other thing: it does SOUND like there is a C in the vocal harmonies, but if you listen closer, it’s really an auditory illusion from the higher C harmonics in octaves ABOVE the note. This probably combines in effect with the overtones of the G note to sound like C and G overtones of a lower, sung C note. Something like that. You can definitely Cs ringing out, but nobody’s singing one
@Bottled-SoapАй бұрын
Queens equivalent to the hard days night chord
@stephenhosking7384Ай бұрын
I was thinking the same!
@leonardhevia5452Ай бұрын
The Hard Day's Night chord is Gm7 add 11. It doesn't contain all the notes but for one guitar player, it's very close.
@Bottled-SoapАй бұрын
@@leonardhevia5452 I do not remember a b flat being anywhere inside the hard days night chord. It’s a Dm11 if I remember correctly (Dminor and C major up top)
@BoscoBP26 күн бұрын
@@Bottled-SoapAlways played it as F6/9 but the D (the 6) is lower in bass so - 100213 (FADACG)
@PaulSchwarzАй бұрын
Great deep dive as always! I'm interpreting this as an Eb in first inversion with added 6, 9, and #11.
@chrisbigred129 күн бұрын
Same here. It’s and F over Eb with an ascending bassline.
@MattWGAllan28 күн бұрын
Lmao, I should have checked the comments first, I came here to say this as well. I provided a voicing though. 😛
@alexnobrasil306228 күн бұрын
G Bb C Eb F A - Eb is the root. Eb with 9 #11 13 Or Eb chord and F chord
@fromchomleystreet27 күн бұрын
It’s effectively an Eb major triad joining the F major triad that carries over from the previous chord. For me, the simplest way of analysing the resulting chord is F11/G. Thinking of it as some kind of Eb chord makes some kind of sense too. Thinking of it as some kind of Gm makes none.
@mattgearytransplanted24 күн бұрын
Queen was the reason I wanted to learn guitar. They were also the reason I almost quit playing guitar as I thought there was no way I'd be able to do any of that. Thankfully Oasis came along at the right time and kept me going. Nice seeing this on your channel James!
@sloth_rampant26 күн бұрын
this level of dedication to figuring out 'wtf is going on here' is something Dr. May would definitely approve of 🎉 hats off! and yes, Freddie was a genius ❤
@rpocc22 күн бұрын
This song is a perfect illustration of how harmonic complexity of the #1 hits degraded throughout decades. It doesn’t feel like something cumbersome and dissonating but still has complex series of smart modulations, precise voice leading, great melody, rememberable hook and funny quote in the same single song, greatly performed as the cherry on the top. I can’t name a single today’s hit even close to compare.
@DeeDee-fi4kqАй бұрын
The 5 notes (Eb,Bb,F,C,G) are consecutive on the cycle of 5ths and make the Eb pentatonic or the core of Cm blues minus the F#. This is being played over a G (iii). Now swap the Bb(V) for the A (bV) so that ii-->II Those 5 notes (Eb,F,C,G,A) form a F9 (V9 in the key of Bb) for a Lydian vibe.
@CraigCholarАй бұрын
I came here to say exactly the same. 🙃
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
It’s really just an F9 over G in the bass, which very briefly becomes F11/G when the passing note Bb appears in the piano arpeggio and again in the lead vocal on “(be)cause”. The explanation in the video is needlessly complicated and wildly counter-intuitive.
@nickmatteucci9664Ай бұрын
Your content is so unique & insightful. Loved every second of this video, brother!
@JamesHargreavesGuitarАй бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@MagratheaLegend26 күн бұрын
I think the confusion is because in part of the bass note involved. can't underestimate the importance of a well placed bass note!
@lauriemorton9269Ай бұрын
Remember, Brian May is an astro physicist and Fred is an absolute genius so working out that cord would be difficult. I think they relished being difficult and different.
@DanThomasUKАй бұрын
I also think they just sang the notes that came to their heads at the time
@mejsjalv26 күн бұрын
They have such a lot of uncommon and quirky harmony in their music. There's plenty to learn from their catalogue. My guess is that it is piano-based rock, not guitar-based, so the chords tend to be harder if you want to do that on guitar to sing along. Them all could play at least a bit of piano, so it makes sense to me. If you want to get into chord inversions, Queen will scratch that itch for a long time. In my teens it was my favourite band but it took me a while to be able to figure out chord changes and overall harmony to do that on the guitar. After having jazz guitar lessons for a couple of years, I went back to Queen, and it was much easier to wrap my head around it. It is still challenging, because a lot of their harmonies are straight out of classical music, old timey British music... "what kind of music you play lads?" - YES!.
@timotherubini-bressolles627427 күн бұрын
I always considered this chord as an F7/G, so in standard tuning it'd be G (Bb) Eb A C F which can be played like this 3(1)1211 but if we want to simplify it we can consider this chord as an F with an added G in the bass to prepare the Ab chord. Nice video, I really appreciated the way you dissected this chord :))
@nostromissimo25 күн бұрын
I consider it an F chord over a 1st inversion Eb chord. How can G Bb Eb really function as Gmin in this situation?
@timotherubini-bressolles627425 күн бұрын
@@nostromissimo Considering that the Ab chord is targeted, you might be right since Eb is the dominant chord of Ab. I think the purpose of naming this chord Gm11#5 was to make it easier to visualise
@eatsleepdrums25 күн бұрын
@@timotherubini-bressolles6274 it can't be a Gm11#5 chord anyway because that would require a D# note to be present as opposed to an Eb. That might sound like I'm being pedantic but it's a critical detail within the harmonic context.
@RyanAustinDean27 күн бұрын
This video is brilliant. 👏🏻 All of us who watched will appreciate this one chord in a wildly different way every time we hear it for the rest of our lives.
@koleberdinoch92627 күн бұрын
I find some analysis videos boring but this is fascinating, it's like a quest for the holy grail. Brilliant video, not too long, not too short, just right.
@seagreenspiral19 күн бұрын
This is a piano song. I play this on the piano all the time as Freddie played it, and he was just a musical genius. It isn't really a chord but rather G minor going down from f and e flat major. Really cool arpeggios as Freddie played around with the chords he knew, he wasn't governed by imaginary rules that music teachers tell us. His music is so simple yet complex. He really knew how to make catchy melodies. I love to hear him accentuate those notes! That's how he wanted it.
@GrantSchinto27 күн бұрын
Great video. Always up for knowing more about Queen's music.
@AquaUrban25 күн бұрын
I'm so glad you're bringing this up. I always heard the vocal in piano but never a guitar. Thank you for confirming this
@OmerLibchik21 күн бұрын
very nice. and I have to say that within the full context when you play it at the end, it sounds very natural and unassuming - which is remarkable given how unusual this chord is. Anyway, great video (and I'm a pianist)
@magneto7930Ай бұрын
I saw Queen perform this song November 3, 1978 at the Hollywood Sportatorium in Florida. As anyone can see from the many live versions that exist, Freddie Mercury leaves the piano for the very last chorus, relying on Brian to finish the chords on guitar. He does some variation of it, although not precisely what the piano does. Great job of breaking it down!
@ricktheexplorerАй бұрын
I thought it was a 'specific chord' but that the bass note keeps changing. This was a great exercise in critical thinking with music.
@larryshackley807423 күн бұрын
I got it in one. Tip: identify the bass note, then listen for the type of chord playing over it. Bass moves up from F to G, chord is an Eb major with F on top (ignore the melody)
@RicardoGarcia-sd1xb27 күн бұрын
In D, the loser chord sounds to me like a D/C, and is very simple to play in the guitar ( D chord and your pinky in C in the fifth string).
@bensall371329 күн бұрын
Hey! I managed to play the chord with the original voicing you thought was impossible with every note ringing out!
@edensgate902425 күн бұрын
me too (but my hand ... oouch !!)
@felix56p27 күн бұрын
so cool. I've always wondered if its possible to make up a chord using different instruments, or to even have different tracks play different chords and have it sound nice
@ginghamt.c.597328 күн бұрын
This whole video is the answer to my frustrated guitar musings of a lifetime!!! Thanks.
@Ricocossa128 күн бұрын
The progression is mindblowing in itself.
@nostromissimo25 күн бұрын
The chord doesn't have to be seen as Gmin11#5. In fact with the #5 theoretically meaning D# it's a bit illogical, since in a minor chord that note must be Eb, the b6. It can more accurately be seen as an Eb chord in 1st inversion with extensions that have resulted from the sustaining of notes from the previous F chord, making it Eb69add#4/G. If there isn't a D in the chord yet there is an Eb, it can't be a Gmin chord, it has to be an Eb.
@simonlawrencesings7 күн бұрын
One thing I don't think has been pointed out is that after recording it Freddie rarely sang "Losers" that way again. Because when singing live he would sing certain words much lower. Listen to how he sings "Losers" live. It still works melodically within the chord but is totally different. Tbf to Freddie this is most likely because he had to keep his voice fresh on a long tour. You can't belt out the high notes to every song every night. Even Freddie had to save his voice.
@ericleiter6179Ай бұрын
Couldn't it also be seen as a Cmin#13 in 2nd inversion??? Either way, love these short forensic deep dives into pop's great mystery chords...you're quite the sleuth!!!
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
Simple is best. It’s just an F9/G, momentarily becoming an F11/G when the arpeggio plays the passing note Bb.
@NBrixH28 күн бұрын
It could also just be seen as a polychord too. So then it would be F7/Gm, as in F7 over Gm
@josephfleetwood388227 күн бұрын
In isolation, It's F11 in the fourth inversion with the 7th and 11th flat when it's stacked in thirds (common practice harmony analysis). Another way to look at this chord though is to think of the melody notes as somehow separate from the chord (I know this is incorrect analysis but bear with me) and then think of the chord as a C minor-minor 7th (or just Cm7 in jazz theory) in the second inversion. The A isn't sustained through the whole chord anyway so in that respect it might have more in common with a (pop theory) Cm7 add4 with a passing A in the melody. I don't think Freddie was thinking about the name of the chord and quite probably never did, but he just knew it sounded good. According to the composer Mike Moran (who does know theory and worked on Barcelona with him), he wasn't bothered about the names of chords and just added notes to make them sound bigger and better, and Mike said he got it "right" every time even if it was unconventional.
@chronology369720 күн бұрын
Agreed! I've basically reiterated the same in my own analysis.
@RosssRoyce28 күн бұрын
The chord for me is not a chord by its self, it’s in the context of an ascending line. In this sense one can play it even with a single bass note and it still would sound right. Of course, I’m sure you’ve found the correct notes that formed it.
@CalamityHillMusic23 күн бұрын
You mean arpeggios. He says that in the vid.
@dilemmacubingАй бұрын
2 0 0 1 0 0 with capo fret one. Here’s how to get it in the right order. Every note will have the right pitch except for the note on the D string which will need to be an octave up. What you need to do is put your pointer finger (picking hand) over the 12th fret of the D string (13th with capo being accounted for) and tap it down lightly to create a harmonic. At the same time flick outwards with the other fingers to strum the chord. The chord changes for the other chords should also be strummed over the 12th (thirteenth fret). When the I need to go on and on part happens put the pick in your mouth like Eddie Van Halen. Voila.
@dilemmacubingАй бұрын
This is all hypothetical and is physically possible but I don’t see why they would go to the work when you can do it with a full band and just play Brian May’s original guitar parts. It’s not like killer queen where there’s a bunch of impossible harmonies split between tracks. If you don’t have a piano player do your best to combine Brian and Freddie’s parts
@dilemmacubingАй бұрын
This whole thread was kinda just me figuring out how to do it on a single guitar and then telling people I’m just having fun and it’s way more practical to A. Arpeggiate it like the piano B. Play Brian’s part or C. Do both in a way that doesn’t make you look like you’re trying too hard
@TheCommentator35326 күн бұрын
Doing a harmonic trick like that is not practical for a lot of players tho
@deadfisher000024 күн бұрын
This video really highlights the extra difficulties guitar players face in understanding harmony compared to keyboardists.
@WDXash28 күн бұрын
This is all very Rick Beato. Love the analysis of some of these masterpiece opuses. I’ve been a queen fan since I heard Killer Queen when it came out (I was about 15/16) and as a musician (keyboard and bass player) I totally appreciate what goes into writing the great songs that stand the test of time.. by anyone!
@williammorris138427 күн бұрын
The quite brilliant Rick Beato. Legend!
@Kris9kris23 күн бұрын
Guys, It's a simple Ebadd9 (not dominant) with a G on the bottom (2nd inversion). The tension 9 is F in Eb major. There is no F7 there; a secondary dominant wouldn't make logical sense in the context. You're all getting bogged down by the A note Freddie sings (on the lo- syllable) which has no bearing on the progression. The progression is (with Jazz analysis) F: I, bVII(add9)/G, bIII(6), IV7, V9sus4, I-. Some of these are modal interchange/borrowed chords. Freddie may not have had formal training, but he was one of (if not the) biggest geniuses in pop music and knew what he was doing instinctively. He keeps the F with an ascending bass line and fills out the chords.
@lev750921 күн бұрын
Great analysis! I find your style of presentation very insightful, flowing, interesting, and focused. As for why C turned out to be the best note to sacrifice, my music theory knowledge leads me to think that's because it's not an essential part of the F7, and not a part at all of the implied Gm. What I mean by "not essential" is that a dominant chord is defined primarily by the tritone between the third and seventh, the fifth only serves to _reinforce_ the root of the chord, which itself is less defining than the tritone. In fact, if I play a tritone (say, B & F) and then move both notes closer together by a half-step to make a major third (C & E), that will feel like dominant five (G7) resolving to major one (CM)! Your mind still perceives the functions of the chords implied by their most defining parts.
@rlccar851821 күн бұрын
Love it. And I don't think you have to worry about playing the entire thing on the guitar-that's what the band is for. And dividing the chord between instruments is more professional sounding anyway, IMO.
@DohertyMusic11 күн бұрын
I know Queen created the chord and are absolute geniuses for it, but for you to work it out is mind blowing too. I understood none of it 😂
@kcmet7925 күн бұрын
What a band, great breakdown & analysis/theory
@mbaraka9221 күн бұрын
It‘s F7sus/G. Brilliant progression, but no rocket science as it’s a clear tonic turned into a dominant chord by going down to Eb while moving up the bass line to G. You could fret it like Gm11 in standard tuning (3-1-3-3-1-1). The modal interchange on the chord right after it is way more interesting to me 😀 Thanks for doing a 10min breakdown anyway! It is super interesting for me where your starting point is to figure it out, as my own ear just seperates notes, audiates and finds chords on the spot, so I - as a music teacher - sometimes struggle to understand the struggle of others to find the right chords.
@dachziegel2647Ай бұрын
This is interesting. On Piano, I always played it as an F/G chord
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
That’s precisely what it is, just with the flat seventh added. In other words, an F9 (with two fleeting moments where a passing note could be argued to briefly turn it into an F11). There is nothing remotely complicated about this chord, unless you try to interpret its root as something other than an F. Then you end up doing the kind of mental gymnastics James does in the video.
@Photologistic28 күн бұрын
The piano and the vocals are not separate and do not need to be “smashed together”. The whole thing can be played on the piano, or faked on the (easy peasy) guitar.
@fasuto865624 күн бұрын
really nice breakdown. Keep it up!
@jasoncdebussy28 күн бұрын
Rick Beato's son would be able to name every note in the chord instantly
@whoguy423125 күн бұрын
So satisfying to work out the Magic Chord/Harmony 👍
@fromchomleystreetАй бұрын
So… it’s an F9sus4 with the G in the bass (rubbing against the dissonant A that is taken care of by the vocal - so you don’t actually have to play it)
@JohnPrepuceАй бұрын
That's the interpretation I got. When analyzing chords, I go with the fewest "extensions" needed to explain it. F9 is pretty common in jazz, so you are really only adding the sus4. The A is covered in the melody as you mentioned. All of this will sound "off" played on only guitar, of course, because it's the wrong instrumentation; there was a piano in the original recording. It's more of a "score reduction".
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
@@JohnPrepuce Yeah, it just seems really counter-intuitive to think of it as anything other than some kind of F major chord. We start on a simple F major for “no time for…”, and then all three of the notes that make up that triad remain for “loser” - they are just joined by additional notes.
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
Actually, now that I’ve had another listen, it’s even simpler than that. It’s just an F9 chord with the second degree (G) in the bass. There is no Bb in the left hand piano, so the only times the note appears are as a fleeting passing note in the arpeggio, and then again right before the next chord change when it appears in the lead vocal on the word “(be)cause”. For those two brief moments, the F9 simply gains one more extension and becomes an F11, but it barely counts as part of the chord. Playing a dissonant Bb (fourth degree of F, rubbing against the third, A, which is constant throughout) through the whole chord would just be incorrect, when for the most part it’s really not there.
@JohnPrepuce29 күн бұрын
@@fromchomleystreet - In my other comment I meant to say IV going to IV7 as the key (or at least the target chord) seems to be Cm.
@fromchomleystreet29 күн бұрын
@@JohnPrepuce Not sure I understand what you mean. The verses begin in the key of Cm, but the key changes several times in this song, and the chorus seems to me to be pretty unambiguously in F major. The line “no time for losers, ‘cause we are the champions” would, therefore, be: F / F9 / Ab/ Bb7 Or I / I (9) / bIII / IV (7)
@RoninXrayEnergizer23 күн бұрын
I managed to play the chord but it hurts, index on the bottom string, pinkie on the fourth, ring finger on the third, middle on second. Great job figuring this out Edit: my wrist is still aching half an hour in
@JonnyBoyOfficial27 күн бұрын
In your key signature, it's best playable on guitar as D min 7
@Joobie25 күн бұрын
I think it makes much more sense to think of this as a really dense Eb major chord in first inversion. If you play the song that way with simplified voicings, just "F - Eb/G" it still functions or reads as "playing the right chord". But just my opinion.
@psychoprosthetic22 күн бұрын
Gorgeous guitar.
@lewis-op5ui25 күн бұрын
the root of the chord is eb. it is just an inversion. the g is in the bass and if you need to omit a note , choose bb and not c! the most important note of this particular chord is the A (augmented 4th). c and f are extensions (6th and 9th)
@BeanEdsАй бұрын
Love this channel! Keep up the good work. Would be nice to see a few oasis song tutorials if you have the time!
@JamesHargreavesGuitarАй бұрын
cheers! which songs were you wanting to learn?
@BeanEdsАй бұрын
@JamesHargreavesGuitar it's totally up to you james...I'm a beginner, so something that's not too tricky to start off with...I'd like to learn half the world away. I've been looking into a few oasis tutorials, but most people play them in slightly different ways and I'd love to hear you take on some of there songs. 🎶
@Phonophobic25 күн бұрын
Brilliant analysis!
@Kaydensloan21 күн бұрын
Any chance you could post a full chord sheet of the chords your playing?
@johnanthony6201Ай бұрын
Fantastic musicians and astrophysicists all, including James Hargreaves!
@cdifreakguy22 күн бұрын
I think since you're singing the A, you can omit that in the guitar chord, capo it or barre it on the first fret and fret the low E string on the 3rd fret to make a G and the G string on the 3rd fret to make a Bb. The resulting notes would be G, Bb, Eb, Bb, C and F. If you're dead set on having the A in the guitar, you can fret the G string on the 2nd fret instead but I personally think the first version sounds prettier. Edit: I also think it would be better analyzed as an Eb6/9add#11, 1st inversion. As others have said, there's never much use for a #5.
@BobbyBattista27 күн бұрын
I love that you took the time to make this. My initial feel of the chord though is that it's still an F. In my head initially without listening to the song, I remembered it as though it was an F with the bass walked up to the 3rd on the bottom, like F/A - but then when I listened I heard it as F with the second (G) on the bottom. I heard the 7th, then the 4 which kinda gave it this suspended feel to it. So to me, it's an F11/G. It's got 1,3,5,7,9,11. I'm probably biased because I never used a ton of sharp 5s when I was studying/playing, so I wouldn't hear that first. Hope this makes sense!
@dantelaw77593 күн бұрын
I think the chord you chose to play on the guitar at the end is the right one - ultimately I don't think Queen were thinking about "what" the chord was when they played it, but how it was functioning with what came before + where it should ultimately lead. Your guitar version does the same.
@aab9828Ай бұрын
Queen is the best!
@CalamityHillMusic23 күн бұрын
If you would have clicked reverse play when extending Freddie voice . It would have been perfect.
@davidconnelly29 күн бұрын
KZbin doing what it does best. Thanks!
@rimaraf99924 күн бұрын
"Nobody has hands that big". "Hold my beer", said Vyr Cossont.
@dcsabi1Ай бұрын
Brian plays from bottom to top 3x534x - it works fine :D Eb/G and adds the f note on the b string six fret as a small up step with pinky
@dashriprock572026 күн бұрын
What note is the sung melody on the word losers? Is it A? Can you ditch the A on guitar because your singing it?
@diond1333Ай бұрын
I've heard Eric Morecambe's estate have asked for this video to be demonitised.
@KenFullmanАй бұрын
Would be iteresting to hear Andrew Preview's rendition. I gather he can play a bit.
@pw8548Ай бұрын
I'm stealing this "the loser" chord 🤫
@seanonel27 күн бұрын
If you like this “loser” chord, check out the Kenny Barron voicing. It’s a spatial chord made up of 2 sets of perfect 5th intervals in each hand separated by a minor 2nd. Basically an open min11...
@pw854826 күн бұрын
@@seanonel I'm not aware of who Kenny Barron is or what a spatial chord even is...but I know what I will be researching, thanks ;)
@hotel_yugoslavia25 күн бұрын
Fantastic video, cheers!
@mrwakacorp24 күн бұрын
Love this mate! Thanks!
@URAZKIVANER26 күн бұрын
My friend to understand a chord you gotta listen to the root note which is usually played by the bass player. If he plays inversions that would also tell us something about the chord. In this particular example it is a pretty simple EbMaj9(#11)/G . Bass goes to G with guitar as the inversion if you listen carefully . In Jazz we usually prefer F6 then F7(13)/Eb and this is what it supposed to be but the bass goes to 3rd in this case... And the scale is Eb Lydian ...
@northernlighter25 күн бұрын
I believe Eb/G is sufficient.
@hitesh_blues235327 күн бұрын
From Oasis all the way to teaching music theory and chord construction. Please keep this up! Thank you, James 😊
@Jpetersson18 күн бұрын
0:34 "I loov a beeh uh Queen"
@peefernieАй бұрын
More Queen content please!
@JamesHargreavesGuitarАй бұрын
May have to oblige…
@nicolasfiore28 күн бұрын
Agree!
@kvz900027 күн бұрын
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2OlY6Wtqpmqp9ksi=zm8nNH1n39gz3AtW the chords at the start of father to son are in my ears just stunnnng. Specially after 2:12. Dive into that song. Would enjoy that! There is an AI instrumental out there..
@MattWGAllan28 күн бұрын
Just do a minor#5 voicing then (G-X-F-Bb-Eb-X), sounds fine, guitar really doesn't need all of the extra voices to sound accurate, we have fewer strings than a piano so just get the most important colour tones in there and we're golden. The best voicing I've heard for it is an Ebadd9/G (G-Eb-G-Bb-F-X). Makes sense as an Eb69 chord with the 3rd on the bass, the A in the vocal part would just be a #11 and so doesn't clash.
@malabuman2463Ай бұрын
Ahh 2020, remember it well.
@dejan.stankovic28 күн бұрын
I might be totally wrong, but I believe that Freddy first recorded piano part harmony with the main melody line as guide, but when they were later doing additional vocals at that place he arranged/added those vocal parts by making a bit different vocal harmony which he liked. In final result we got that combination of two chords - one that comes from piano, and the other one that comes from the choir. Maybe that's why it is not so easy to recognize which chord it is 😁
@ildarrrr2Ай бұрын
That is an obvious chord why are you insinuating. It is called a backdoor dominant, a chord played on bVII . Eb13#11
@dilwich28 күн бұрын
Freddie was such an underestimated piano player.
@isaakleillhikar8311Ай бұрын
What about sacrificing the F ? Since the Vocal note is an F.
@isaakleillhikar8311Ай бұрын
I say that from experience. When I do open mic alone vertions of our songs tat have two guitars and a bass, I don’t do the Melodie’s of I e of the instruments needed, because the singing tune is doing it.
@Ricardo019s25 күн бұрын
Congratulations on the video, excellent listening capacity, but I can't agree with the chord name. See: The target of the frase is a B flat. The chord's name is F dominant 9th (minor 7th and 9th) with 11th on 3rd inversion (G on the bass). This chord is dominant to the B flat chord but, as a loser, doesn't resolve. Instead it goes to a simpler F minor 7th (also minor), resolving on B flat (the champions chord), preparing the final cadence of the refrain. If you see it like this you can appreciate the true genius of Queen. Actually, the loser is complex and beautiful and evolves resolving even in sadness. But... the "champions" chord, representing those who have no time for losers, isn't even the true resolutions. Is just a passage chord to the real conclusion of the frase. Absolutely beautiful, poetic and rhetorical perfection... It's Freddie's signature! But... tel me what do you think of my analysis.
@mastertimb27 күн бұрын
Great video, thank you! Believe it or not, my left hand is actually big enough to finger that chord but I doubt I could pull that off in real time at a gig.
@michaellanyon123227 күн бұрын
Haven't finished watching the video but the 'loser' chord is C-6/G with a chromatic line cliche from the G walking up to the Bb flat with the C- resolving to G#∆ - A°(half diminished ) - Bb resolving back to your F, I'll watch to see if you come to the same conclusion but it's not that significant just a common chord modulation: F sub for D- resolving to C-. Any other conclusion is wrong, sorry. Will watch rest
@michaellanyon123227 күн бұрын
A is the 6 of the C-6/G
@michaellanyon123227 күн бұрын
It's not it's own chord with its own identity
@michaellanyon123227 күн бұрын
Finished watching, you're wrong
@bassescovered703726 күн бұрын
exactly! a line cliche
@matt-laceyАй бұрын
What a weirdly hyper specific video. I love it
@TheGerkumanАй бұрын
There are many songs that leave out the 5th of a chord if it's impossible for a guitar to play it, and the important chord extentions at the same time. I think they are called 'shell voicings' or 'shell chords' and they occur mostly in jazz.
@alexisjordan330328 күн бұрын
I learned Deacon's bass part a long time ago and it does the same as Freddies right hand, so I knew the important notes are G C Eb F. This being said, in the voca' stems I hear a low Bb rather than a low A, I hear a high F, and I don't hear a C although I would bet it's there.
@lespaul848919 күн бұрын
I don't have as many thumbs as I would like to hold up