Queen - Hyde Park 1976, Earl’s Court & Houston 1977 - Live vs. Overdubs (Episode 3)

[@Meofcourse2319]

My dad is a musician, I showed him the footage of the amplifier blowing up, he told me that it wasn’t an amp explosion at all, there’s a box looking thing that bands use for reverb, (for guitars I think) and when the box is moved, it makes a loud sound, such as the sound you hear during you take my breath away, someone must have moved it backstage, which I guess would explain the lack of echo after the noise, I hope this helps.

[@metallica-fan]

Yeah, sounds reasonable, especially how the noise didn’t really have a proper fade out but rather a quick disappearing sound…

[@mikusguitarius]

I agree.... a spring reverb. Literally a massive spring that makes a terrible noise if accidentally struck.

[@maritzajimenez6690]

I don't know much, but I always thought it was Roger on drums. That day of that concert there was a special tension between Freddie and Brian, and Freddie was somewhat intense. That's why I thought Roger did it to express his displeasure.

[@maritzajimenez6690]

Thank you ! I always thought it was Roger on the drums

[@tatianaroveda]

OK- To be clear- pitch correction is NOT autotune. Pitch correction is a tool on the soundboard that can isolate a sharp, or mistake musically to where it should be. Auto tune is when you set what key you want your song to be sung or played in, and no matter how many mistakes are made, Auto tune corrects it. No Queen was NOT using Auto tune.

[@callejarvholm]

Yes! And pitch correction back in the day was also not a computer doing it, it was done by ear by skilled musicions and engineers. So there’s still skill involved

[@ariesmercurio1869]

Even the documentaries have overdubs lol That's beyond obsessive

[@maritzajimenez6690]

We have to remember a very important thing. Freddie always said that it didn't matter that there were mistakes in the concerts, that the concert was alive, was not the perfection of the record.

[@markmork6769]

he did, he said he prepred a lot and tried to make less mistake as possible without improvising to much like other bands did

[@anightattheblog933]

7:18 the film version is composed mostly by Bohemian Rhapsody Live In Glasgow 1977 and with some arrangements by Earl's Court 1977 with some parts from Houston '77. Great video!!

[@m1co294]

Only Earls Court. Houston sounds entirely different and Glasgow--while being similar--Freddie's tone doesn't match at all + that's just how Freddie sings the rock section during the ADATR tour.

[@DonnaleaSpencer]

Very cool to see and hear. Altho in Breath Away some of corrections seem unnecessary as Freddie's "flat notes" were almost smack onto the corrected version.

[@pure8560]

I never knew houston, Earls Court, Hyde Park have overdubs.

[@mrfarenheit26]

Queen officially released 39 live in earls court on the deluxe version on ANATO but that is all i know

[@muc_michi]

@@mrfarenheit26 And You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park on the ADATR Bonus EP!

[@maxHeadroom325rayxerin]

@@mrfarenheit26 and we will rock you from Houston on greatest flix

[@pure8560]

@@mrfarenheit26 Thanks

[@mrfarenheit26]

derWürfel oh yeh

[@yc99official95]

Lmao, I expect Live Killers and Montreal will be pretty fv

[@mattmcgourty106]

We only have one of the shows though so it would he tough for that one

[@trongduc8659]

Also 2nd night at Wembley St.

[@fitnessisgood4u]

Queen On Fire At the Bowl, has been completely redone also. I used to have the original broadcast on VHS. It's totally different.

[@Adam7600]

10:44 I think this "lose" phrasing at Houston 77 is not simply a cut and past, i think it's an overdub and they take the same phrasing from another concert to replace the crack (I think it's an November show because if we listen carefully to the moment 10:49 where they replace the crack we can hear it's a very clear Bb4 like his November sing tone)

[@m1co294]

I barely even hear the differences in You Take My Breath Away, its still a treat to listen to without those overdubs

[@SonicVolcanoify]

Great job, but in all fairness the Hyde Park source we have had for years has many issues. Tape warbles, glitches etc. It is quite hard to tell what the real thing sounded like.

[@edgarferrer8084]

We have audience recordings.

[@TheLiveMontageGuy05]

@@edgarferrer8084 they’re Not that great. In terms of quality. They sound like shite

[@m1co294]

Queen Productions definitely has a pristine recording of the Hyde Park show lying around, as evident in the "From Rags to Rhapsody" docomentary which had crystal clear 16mm clips of the show.

[@FredrickTheMoose2007]

This makes me so mad. All the times Freddie sang flat, I would've never known had you not pointed them out. Whoever had the idea of autotuning Queen, WHAT THE HECK IS YOUR PROBLEM?? Thanks for the video

[@SamanthaGuttesen]

Done after Freddie died, hmm who gave them permission? The same people who signed off the rubbish script for the film I dare say 😉

[@TheaterPup]

@@SamanthaGuttesen Good thing they didn't listen to you considering how well the movie did, lol. And it's their band, no one has to give them permission.

[@SamanthaGuttesen]

@@TheaterPup you again. Seems you're one of the easily pleased people of the world.

[@MilesAway]

@@SamanthaGuttesen I dont think Freddie would have cared about pitch correction, as he contributed to overdubs anyway in his time.

[@marriusmal]

I agree with you. I will never listen to or watch any official releases no more.

[@Nicky_T]

I love these videos comparing overdubs vs. actual live. I wish we could find the original Fairy Feller’s Master Stroke not overdubbed though :(. Great work and research!

[@juromori]

Fairy feller's not overdubbed is the holy grail of queen bootlegs! Lol

[@Nicky_T]

Kuromori 6262 we need to find it lol

[@juromori]

@@Nicky_T as well as the live recordings of "the night comes down", "jesus" and others

[@m1co294]

@@juromori Fairy Feller's was only performed only a few times live during the course of Queen's entire career, and the only show where it was filmed is the March Rainbow '74 and oh boy did they pitch correct the hell out of that one.

[@JourneyLiveCompilations]

10:48 my heart skipped a beat while listening to this bruh

[@metallica-fan]

7:40 sounds like a double tracking on the ‘ooh’ of both nights…

[@BobHarley]

6:20 I feel like I can still hear pre-overdubbed vocal somewhere in the background

[@MatthewBillyJoelBootlegs]

Good video! I don't knew that Houston or Earls Courts are overdubbeds. I wait for the part 4

[@metallica-fan]

Yay! Thanks Chinwonder2 for uploading a new episode!

[@maxHeadroom325rayxerin]

8:26 They did the same thing on the line "life has just begun" during the live aid scene.

[@Chinwonder2]

The Live Aid scene is riddled with the jumpy vocal track.

[@MilesAway]

That's where it's most noticable, but it's throughout the whole concert. Never understood why everyone loves that scene so much. Literally the *first* thing that Rami did was a mistake, he adjusted the piano volumd with the wrong arm, so the piano is magically playing on the 3rd octave by itself.

[@TheaterPup]

@@MilesAway Because everyone understands that's nitpicking, not film analysis.

[@Mekesik-p2c]

Поет сердцем пропуская через душу... как нам больно слушать...

[@TheaterPup]

I don't want to complain too much, good job on the video. As an archivist, I like hearing different versions of media over the years.

[@tatianaroveda]

I do too. The more I listen, the more I learn, the more songs show up..God I miss an honest interview about the writing and meaning of some of them TheaterPup-- I get it.

[@Envyshipperforever]

As someone who knows absolutely nothing about stuff like recordings or footage I enjoy these videos a lot

[@cptjeanlucpicard]

regarding 3:09 , There's also a bum piano note that's been fixed at the beginning of the second verse in white queen (Hammersmith Odeon, 1975). It felt quite strange when I listened to the official release after being used to that mistake for so many years. Perfection takes away from the performance, doesn´t it?

[@NI7RO25]

6:43 i hope in the official release they didn't remove the harmonizer. I think it's good tho

[@ExtremeAndy]

I heard somewhere that the parts they cleaned up for the movie soundtrack they got help from someone that sounds ridiculously similar to Freddie, Marc Martel

[@riddlesford106]

I'm guessing Live Killers is after that? I don't think Hammersmith or Sao Paulo have any overdubs so I'm gonna assume Montreal will follow and then Milton Keynes.

[@pure8560]

@Raseraa Haha but i want to see it.

[@maxHeadroom325rayxerin]

@Raseraa I'd like to see montreal, that's basically a studio album

[@РоманПанських]

Bowl.... lOooocality😂(Fat bottomed girls)

[@MilesAway]

Milton Keynes only really has that Fat Bottomed Girls crack

[@KieranIsHome]

@@MilesAway Nah, me and Chin went through and found that there is a few other vocal lines that were sped up to correct some flat lines from Freddie (since pitch correction wasn't a common practice in 2004)

[@EthanThompson-Murray]

4:37 "To tell you" has some really fucking wonky sounding pitch correction.

[@Maxim777-m7v]

Robo-Freddie

[@ginnb0b]

Love this section as always, good luck with Live Killers.

[@muc_michi]

6:22 press F to pay respects to our beloved overgrown schOoOool boy

[@jacobh9344]

Child: Mommy, can we get You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park? Mommy: We already have You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park! You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park at Home: [PITCH-CORRECTED SH*T]

[@metallica-fan]

You Take My Breath Away from Hyde Park may possibly take some piano parts from Earls Court which in my opinion may be possible…

[@Josh-os7vn]

Still completely baffles me why these shows haven't seen a full release yet outside of the videos being too low quality...

[@MilesAway]

The videos themselves are actually very high quality because Queen themselves own the master recordings, we just have stolen bootlegs so they don't look too great. For example, check out the Rags To Rhapsody documentary, there's really high quality footage of Earl's Court. You can actually see each of the curls on Brian's hair lol

[@m1co294]

You can see each scratch on the Red Special's scratchboard on the Hammersmith 1979 footage in the Days Of Our Lives documentary.

[@roransu]

Another thing I spotted on '77 Death on Two Legs was right at the end, the harmonizer has also been mostly removed from there but just seems to come through on the room mics now, if you'll remember from the VHS bootleg it's right there in your face haha.

[@pauliun954]

De Hyde park sospecho de que sea la distorsión de la grabación, Freddie no desafina mucho, lo hacía rara vez y en notas altas sin falsete

Since Earl’s Court was included, I think Live Aid will also be included.

[@edgarferrer8084]

I don't think Live Aid has much (if not any) overdubs.

It was featured in the BoRhap movie so maybe they edited Freddie's vocals to match Rami's mouth, which probably made it jumpy like in Earls Court. But I don't think it was overdubbed. One example was "life had just begun" in the BoRhap song. I watched a comparison of the movie and the original Live Aid performance: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJSrZpuqopuHaqc

That’d be Riddukulus! Edit: The top comment in kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2iapWuKmdiYeNE has what I want to say, but he/she calls it a glitch.

[@nicolasduarte1401]

just to correct, the documentary when this multitrack edit of We Are the Champions is The American Dream, also from 2017, but was first available on the News of the World 40th Anniversary Edition DVD included in the box set

[@maixc9971]

*J U S T P R E M I E R E N O W*

[@Chinwonder2]

Ok, I have changed the premiere date to the 25th, as I won't be at home to chat tomorrow. I thought Saturday was a lot closer that what it was, whoops! lol

[@maixc9971]

@Chinwonder2 tysm I love queen that’s why! :)

[@BobHarley]

I hope those episodes will get millions of views so casual Queen fans might open their eyes and stop commenting "100% talent 0% autotune"

[@TheaterPup]

Oh please overdubs are not autotune, nor do they indicate a lack of talent. You hope what? That pointless negativity continues to thrive on the Internet? That's an easy bet.

[@TheaterPup]

@@sotoboto9903 If they didn't use overdubs, you'd have trolls whining about the occasional mistakes instead. I've seen whole videos dedicated to them, and that's sad.

[@BobHarley]

@@sotoboto9903 I'm okay with overdubs, unlike autotune which I hate. If it's overdubbed, they actually played/sang those.

[@SamanthaGuttesen]

Freddie had times he was flat, but id rather have that, than pitch correction done. He's not here to defend the decisions. Knowing Brian, whose a perfectionist, I can't imagine any output that's anything less than perfect, so it's all doctored

[@chickenmen2105]

Bob Harley exactly I feel the same way

[@tinyboi_]

With ‘39, Freddie’s vocals sound beefed up because he has a octave harmonizer on.

[@edgarferrer8084]

They didn't use a harmonizer until 1978.

[@patricksommer3971]

@@edgarferrer8084 there are quite a few places where they used harmonizer in Earls Court 77. Like the very End of millionaire waltz, or of course Freddies vocal improv in Prophet's Song...

[@edgarferrer8084]

@@patricksommer3971 I was talking about Freddie using a harmonizer in '39. They didn't begin using one until 1978.

[@Vel_0000]

Hyde Park's "You take my breath away" shocked me! The pitch corrected version is CRAP! I just can't call it "song"...

[@FredrickTheMoose2007]

Same

[@cristianm.5689]

Ah come one don't hate it just because it has some work done on it. I agree they didn't need to change anything but it doesn't sound bad. Honestly...it doesn't sound bad at all.

[@CookieFXTM12]

but it hasn't changed so much, it still has the same emotion as the original version, but with a current recording quality

[@kiajulian4619]

What's wrong with the pitch correction? You'd never even notice it if they didn't tell you...

[@kiajulian4619]

@@cristianm.5689 Yeah....the changes weren't noticeable if you didn't know they were there...and it HAD to be done for posterity sake! And, of course, Queen authorized the fixes.

[@kiajulian4619]

So, in other words, "You Take My Breath Away", was was just a disaster. Lol! Every single line had to be fixed! Lol! But, some of the times when the text says Freddie was flat....he wasn't. He was sharp. And I see why they didn't fix some of the bum notes....they were just so slightly off...no one would notice. His voice is so beautiful and he is so lovely.... I saw them in concert 3 times in the 70's here, in what Freddie called , "the great Los Angeles Forum", and my musicians ears never heard a wrong note out of those beautiful lips. I did hear a few piano flubs tho. Lol

[@luixpaproductions]

Someone should create a Best source merge based on these videos

[@K_Jailberg]

On My way

[@jkmoo3285]

Even though have overdubs but they are still are great band in my eye

[@luisxd3708]

De hecho los mejores conciertos son los que no tienen sobre grabaciones , una lástima que tengan mal audio

[@mayorgashang8393]

Is Beautiful Mix of Video. 😢😍❤

[@MaxPower2719]

The YTMBA “fixes” are so utterly unnecessary 😕

[@edgarferrer8084]

Well, yes. They are fixes. Freddie was flat on many of the notes.

[@marriusmal]

@@edgarferrer8084 Fine, but what the point in fixing everything? It makes the concert lose all its truthfulness. What is left if it's all patched?

[@edgarferrer8084]

@@marriusmal It's because Queen wants Freddie want to sound perfect for fans.

[@NateEMG]

@@edgarferrer8084 for release

[@TheaterPup]

It's your video of course, but I personally wouldn't have included the ones you're not sure about. People overreact to this stuff enough as it is.

[@tatianaroveda]

I agree- but Chinwonder, really makes some of the best Queen video's on Utube. And this one is really good too. I addressed the same issue, of why Fred was flat here or had a mistake on the piano, honestly, without the BS tabloid or Billboard BS. We all don't know everything- Check out the lyric version of Bicycle races- See what you notice- the word bicycle, and look at the official video- interesting stuff. It's like people saying the only song he ever wrote about Mary Austin was Love of my life..Not!

[@kiajulian4619]

Lol! Right? Smh...

[@JourneyLiveCompilations]

10:49 loooo oooooose

[@gearheartattackWario]

hyde park is hard to tell

[@UnVatoSinIdeas2006]

Y en '39 que también esta en el documental Rags To Rhapsody no le hicieron sobre grabaciones?

10:43 I remember watching Rock the World but I couldn't find that WATC clip. May you provide the timestamp in kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX28lpmhYtWjjdU ?

[@Chinwonder2]

It’s taken from the DVD version from the box set. It’s a slightly different edit than the TV broadcast.

WOW @@Chinwonder2 😮😱🤩 so that's why

@@Chinwonder2are you taking about The American Dream (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZzHd6iNYtiHitE, I skipped to that part)?

[@AdamLB]

Will you do "Queen On Air" pitch correction version vs original version next?

[@AdamLB]

@@nicolasduarte1401 kind of a live album.

[@brettbums6995]

i see potential in you

[@miguelgonzalez998]

I wonder, how is it that Queen remasters the audio like this, does it separate the audio into tracks or how?

[@MilesAway]

Some concerts were recorded with multitracks. Basically they recorded the drums, piano, bass, guitar, and vocals separate. That lets them tweak and alter if need be.

[@TheLiveMontageGuy05]

Here’s Proof That They Have The Full Multitrack For The June 7th EQ Show........

[@TheLiveMontageGuy05]

* EC *

[@TheMetalMachineMusic]

Is not a lot of the time because the VHS is fluttering the audio?

[@edgarferrer8084]

No

[@TheMetalMachineMusic]

@@edgarferrer8084 Thank you for your insights.

[@m1co294]

We have an audience recording of Hyde Park too, which is pretty clear if you can ignore the audience shouting.

[@egirlnet]

I must say the changes are subtle for the most part...nothing shocking to me...

[@K_Jailberg]

Episode 04 Would be Rock Montreal????

[@Chinwonder2]

It'll be Live Killers! :)

[@ahard-daysnight6659]

Chinwonder2 I bet it’ll be a 3 hour video..

[@K_Jailberg]

@@ahard-daysnight6659 nah 2 Hours would be

[@laurabell934]

Now do Live Killers

[@rafaeldolinski1]

SO WHO IS AUTOTUNING FREDDIE? WTF!!!

[@edgarferrer8084]

Queen Productions

[@TheChipMcDonald]

First example with Brian is legit and that he was out of tune. "Only one" was in tune, he ran out of air - they blended in the end of "one". "Change my life" also in tune, but substituted an end with more vibrato. "destroy my mind" they substituted a better take. "control and shiver" sang a half-step tag on "control", but they again picked a stronger take (connnntrol) "whisper in my ear"... again, stronger take. "Pitch correction" is not happening here, and was only happening with an Eventide Harmonizer, starting around that year. These are flown in overdubs probably from a different night. What is the point of this?

[@edgarferrer8084]

I'm sure that SOME of them are pitch corrected. It sounds very similar on many of the differences. So I don't think that they're different takes. Maybe overdubs, but surely not replaced with different takes.

[@m1co294]

1) There are only 4 nights in the Summer Gigs tour, my bet is that they weren't recorded because they were warm-ups, and they possibly can't use vocals from a show during the Day At The Races tour cause Freddie sings the song very differently there (i.e. he sings the song in chest voice, as opposed to the more falsetto-intensive variations we can listen to in Edinburgh and HP) and even if they did we'd have already noticed cause we have a truckload of ADATR audience recordings out in the wild and to be frank Freddie wasn't really in good shape in most of those shows. 2) What do you mean by "takes"? QPL already have the master tapes, I can place my bet that they don't flutter nor distort cause, well, they're the master tapes. Multi-track master tapes. They definitely don't have "stronger takes" cause well they already have the strongest and definitive takes. We also have an audience recording of Hyde Park. Go listen to it.

[@juliacr6851]

XD Qué sentido tiene esto? Suena mejor en vivo que el remasterizada? Se trata de una acción sin sentido. Tanto análisis y mejora técnica, para Que? Suena fenomenal el original, que manía con alterarlo todo. La técnica cuando es necesaria y sirve para algo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@donpixula4087]

Mmm no Es mejor escucharlo remasterizado que escucharlo de una copia del concierto Porque eso es Una copia del concierto que se enmpezo a vender entre los 70 a 80 ya que el concierto fue en vivo por cable

[@lucasneonprivate8317]

You take my breath away is just vocaloid

[@maxHeadroom325rayxerin]

hi

[@ahard-daysnight6659]

Youre that one guy who hates on the movie fans!! Hi

[@JourneyLiveCompilations]

ahard-daysnight is that so? if yes xd

[@JourneyLiveCompilations]

hello

[@ahard-daysnight6659]

Queen Live Compilations yeah its true :/

[@maxHeadroom325rayxerin]

@@ahard-daysnight6659 wym i just troll normies who abuse the hits lol

[@BacktoQueen]

I always thought Queen were great live, seems like they were not so good. Did more bands from the 70's 80's do these fixes to?

[@MilesAway]

Basically every band does this. Queen was still amazing live, it's just that QPL always nitpicks these small mistakes because they want Freddie to be "perfect". They're still as amazing live as you'd think. Channels like Ryan Newton and Gregsynthbootlegs prove that.

[@thamara2130]

All musicians did this and still doing this..you can’t sale live versions without fixing these..

[@MilesAway]

I actually don't mind the removal of the harmonizer. It sounds like shit. If Hammy 79 ever comes out, I *really* hope they get rid of the ridiculous harmonizer in Save Me

[@TheaterPup]

The overdubs are pretty subtle. It's not like George Lucas going back and screwing with his movies. Some of the comments here are majorly overreacting.

[@jamesfretwell1511]

Pretty bitter by the channel owner. What's wrong are you a bit butt hurt because queen gets too much praise for your liking? Overdubbed are not queen is still on of the best bands in history of rock and Freddy Mercury was still one of the best vocalists the world's produced. Go and pick on all the other artists, and bands who do the exact same thing.

[@MilesAway]

Pretty bitter by the channel owner. What's wrong with you a bit butt hurt because queen gets too much praise for your liking? Overdubbed are not queen is still on of the best bands in history of rock and Freddy Mercury was still one of the best vocalists the world's produced. Go and pick on all the other artists, and bands who do the exact same thing.

[@logexpTommy]

How is that butt hurt? He's just trying to be informative. And he's obviously not picking on the band when he points out overdubs, etc. in the releases. Like 99% of his videos are dedicated to Queen and you think they get too much praise for his linking? Go troll somewhere else.

[@gibby8179]

First of all, Freddie* Second of all, how tf is he bitter pointing out overdubs a band did? Also he's specialized in Queen stuff so yeah, makes sense for him to point out overdubs from Queen releases and not any other bands. Also how tf is pointing out overdubs picking on a band? It's not even like he hates Queen, otherwise he wouldn't post Queen content. Also yeah overdubbing is a pretty common practice, but man some of the Queen official releases have some excessive overdubbing lmao.Pointing out mistakes ≠ picking on people, buddy.

[@tonalliholistic]

hes not even butthurt, he’s literally pointing out overdubs on live releases, James you make literally no sense

[@FranciscoFJM]

You're fucking pathetic