Quick Tip: Choosing Modern Ammunition For A Vintage Firearm

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@sssss8700
@sssss8700 6 ай бұрын
We need an extended cut or something of these. The more these two ramble the more interesting or useful information slips out.
@NoThankYouReally
@NoThankYouReally 6 ай бұрын
So glad you mentioned the gas plug for the M1. It'll take you a little bit to get it dialed in, but once it is you're gold. You basically start with the plug venting just about all the gas and close it a little bit after each string. When the rifle stops short-stroking and starts cycling reliably, you've arrived.
@williamgaines9784
@williamgaines9784 6 ай бұрын
That is what I did and put a scout scope on it. I don't use "Superformance" or Light magnums, but it REALLY likes the 180 RN, whereas pigs do not like them at all. 😉
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
It's not a gas plug it's a gas cylinder lock screw and you don't have to add anything to your rifle to shoot "modern" ammo
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 6 ай бұрын
Similarly, even with relatively modern firearms, I suggest care be exercised with +P and +P+ loads. For example, .45 ACP ammunition is - by its original design - a comparatively low pressure round. Some modern 1911A1’s (such as Remington’s R1 series) are not designed to handle the . 45 ACP +P’s additional pressure.
@bluemonday09
@bluemonday09 6 ай бұрын
I have an Armat M41A pulse rifle made in 2178 prior to the tungsten phosphate upgrade and I have to use 10x24mm standard pressure ammo, and all you see on the shelves is +p+. Thankfully Weyland Corp came out with the "roaring 70's" line of vintage ammo I can order drone-shipped from Brownells via my cerebral implant.
@Ash_95
@Ash_95 6 ай бұрын
That's why you keep your Ithaca Model 37 handy, for close encounters.
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 6 ай бұрын
This was one of your better and important videos. Op-rods are rather expensive these days. I was personally issued ammunition at a JCG match that damaged my rifle. Fortunately, the CMP had the parts to repair it.
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
Wait the CMP gave you ammo that damaged your rifle?? What ammo was it??
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 6 ай бұрын
@@airground1 3rd JCG match at Camp Perry. I was 8th overall the prior year, 2nd JCG, with ammo dated ‘59. I was issued some white box commercial ammo for the 3 match that a really vicious recoil impulse. Broke my rifle and turned it into a single shot. CMP van armorer fixed it and needed to replace several bent parts. That was the last JCG match I participated in. HM & Distinguished so not a rookie at the time of that match.
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
@@josephjulian2503 yup..shooting a dry rifle can do that
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
@@CoolestDude38NC Thats hilarious. Your "CMP armorer" doesn't have a clue. M2 ball didn't exist until after the garand was already in service. "M2 ball only" is a myth.
@addytuney2028
@addytuney2028 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for Mentioning the old S&W revolvers in Win 32-20
@longdarn
@longdarn 6 ай бұрын
Recently did some work on a Remington model 12 .22 rim fire. After some research I found that the extractor was modified by the manufacturer due to excessive pressure (drilled a couple of holes). Most .22 ammo was subsonic in those days, so it is recommended that subsonic be used in them. I did notice an issue with modern ammo in the firearm I was working on. The subsonic ammo cycled fine. Great video guys! Wish I had seen this before I started working on the model 12.
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 6 ай бұрын
I remember back when the Hornady Superformance came out...on the forum I was on for AR-10s people were asking if they could shoot it...I called both Hornady, who said it was for bolt action rifles, and ArmaLite, who said the increased velocity and pressures were not recommended and could void the warranty... sometimes it's best to make some calls or send emails to find out rather than ruining your gun...my thoughts anyway.
@kv9705
@kv9705 6 ай бұрын
Also be careful not to use too hot of ammo in old lever actions such as a savage 99.
@hitekscorp
@hitekscorp 6 ай бұрын
I've had my 1884 trapdoor (mfg 1886) since 1970 and until 2000 ammo marked 45-70 GOVT was safe to use, anything over 19000 psi (SAAMI Max 45-70-405) was marked 45-70 +P, we had hundreds of incidents when manufactures started changing the labeling (dropped the +P) and loads and not putting a warning on the boxes, I was at a local shop yesterday and found 2 brands of 45-70 Govt with no warning anywhere on the box but it would not be safe for even modern trapdoors and questionable for falling block styles.
@M8Military
@M8Military 6 ай бұрын
Alot of that info you can infer based on advertised velocity and bullet weight
@randybounds2244
@randybounds2244 6 ай бұрын
You were in Sevierville Caleb, Smoky Mountain Knife Works.
@UnknownUser-fe5zu
@UnknownUser-fe5zu 6 ай бұрын
I order my knives from them. Biggest knife store in the world.
@roberttaylor9259
@roberttaylor9259 6 ай бұрын
Caleb. I love you. I've been requesting this exact video before you asked for recommendations. It's almost nowhere on youtube and I'm glad my question could make it into a video.
@savageater57
@savageater57 6 ай бұрын
I have an 1891 Argentine mauser that I purchased from department-store in the early 70's . I think the price was $40 for the r8fle and 50 rounds of surplus ammo on stripper clips . Ammunition is really hard to come by but so are properly sized bullets .
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du
@ClarenceCochran-ne7du 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, the old High Standards, have issues returning to battery with High Velocity .22 LR, and that's your first "Warning" right there.😊
@ryanmilly9560
@ryanmilly9560 3 ай бұрын
Would like to add with the M1 it’s more of a worry about port pressure than chamber pressure. Also one key feature of vintage guns is that not all of them are as stated. Plenty of WW2 / WW1 bring backs that got a 3006 reamer or a barrel swap in their lifetime to make some unique chamberings. Prime example is 7.7-06.
@killersp1974
@killersp1974 6 ай бұрын
3:11 Trail Boss has been discontinued by most power sources and is pretty much unobtainium
@kirkstinson7316
@kirkstinson7316 6 ай бұрын
A BIG one is know the age of your revolver! An old H&R .32 S&W might be for black powder ammo. Same goes for all the Iver Jhonsons
@dennisfaulkner5470
@dennisfaulkner5470 6 ай бұрын
Often fired s&w32long in a 7.62 nagant.. spit a lil, but works. Thanks Fellers.
@paulwilson8672
@paulwilson8672 6 ай бұрын
I have a 1873 Trapdoor carbine. I have to watch the ammo I use.
@PBVader
@PBVader 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for mentioning ye olde 32 long, and short. Originally a black powder cartridge, and most cylinders weren't smokeless safe till 1902 1904. Some never were and went out of business. Fun ish factoid, both 32 sw and long are only rated to 12k psi, along the same lines as standard 22 long.
@tsparky9196
@tsparky9196 6 ай бұрын
I used to be able to find PPU Garand ammo before 2020. I've never seen the AE Garand ammo for sale. PPU is starting to show back on Ammoseek, but I've been reloading for my Garands.
@sixoffive
@sixoffive 6 ай бұрын
Just the other day I was bragging about my Springfield Savage 187n shooting (22 H.S.) shorts or longs and L.R. as semi-auto. I don’t think I’ve ever shot high velocity .22 in it. But I have noticed standard shorts seem hotter and louder. Thinking I will be looking closer at weights and velocities next time. Maybe go with subsonic stuff.
@RedHuntsman
@RedHuntsman 6 ай бұрын
I don't think if I would equate Belgium guns with Spain's.
@GeneD283
@GeneD283 6 ай бұрын
As the owner of an original Springfield trap door I always wonder if its safe to shoot commercial 45-70 ammunition that has no special labels warning that it's only safe to shoot in modern firearms ? Same question for my Winchester 1873 in 32-20?
@sbreheny
@sbreheny 6 ай бұрын
I believe it is NOT OK to shoot modern commercial 45-70 in the original Springfield trap door unless it specifically states that it is intended for that or if it is known to be OK (such as some of the cowboy action 45-70 from Fiocchi). 45-70 was originally a black powder cartridge and it would be easy to create MUCH higher pressure with smokeless powder than a full, compressed charge BP load would make. The Hornady reloading manual has separate entries for 45-70 for the Trapdoor and 45-70 for modern actions.
@oklahomahank2378
@oklahomahank2378 6 ай бұрын
No. Do not use those loads. I reload for my trapdoor. The original black powder load is fine. For a smokeless load I use Trail Boss with the same .405 bullet at about 900 fps. Do not use the 300 - 350 grain modern rounds. They are only safe in a modern lever action or single shot. They are quite high pressure. If you don’t reload look for .45-70 rounds labeled “Cowboy” loads. They are pretty similar to the original load, a .45 caliber 405 grain bullet with 70 grains of black powder, which works out at about 1200 fps. This will kill anything that walks the earth and is very accurate. Of course, have your gun inspected for safety. A trapdoor can be 150 years old.
@GeneD283
@GeneD283 6 ай бұрын
@@oklahomahank2378 I purchased my 1887 vintage Springfield back in 1983 along with a couple boxes of Remington hunting ammunition marked "safe in all rifles". Back then gun writers were lamenting that the only available commercial ammo was intentionally loaded weak in case it was used in old trapdoors. Later some ammo companies produced hotter ammo labeled for use only in modern lever action rifles. I recently purchased some HSM cowboy ammunition and I'm seeing 3" groups at 50 yards. The original 1980's hunting (core-lokt) ammo is producing .80 inch groups at 50 yards but I only have one box of 20 left. The bore on mine is pretty badly pitted just curious what accuracy are you getting with your handloads? I'm with you 100% on only shooting cowboy ammunition
@KRN762
@KRN762 6 ай бұрын
IMR4895 is your friend.
@rick9811
@rick9811 6 ай бұрын
48ish grains over 147-150 grain boo-lits, golden!!!
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 6 ай бұрын
If it can be found. 4895 has been unobtanium for several years now.
@ETHRON1
@ETHRON1 6 ай бұрын
And it can be used in several different rifle calibers...according to the Hornady manual...
@onmilo
@onmilo 6 ай бұрын
I'll add to NOT use +P ammunition in ANY J or K Frame revolver that is not marked as a "Dash 4" (i.e. 36-4, 10-4, 14-4 etc.)
@US2A
@US2A 6 ай бұрын
Well caleb and steve it was nice watching and commenting on your vids. Both of my channels have 2 strikes and if i lose them im definitely boycotting youtube
@Shinji0Ikari007
@Shinji0Ikari007 6 ай бұрын
What about the DWM Luger from mid 19-teens? Have heard that in 9MM they like full power to reliably cycle the toggle.
@redcat9436
@redcat9436 6 ай бұрын
My P.08's work best with 124gr FMJ. No +P. The lighter 115gr cartridges are safe to shoot but ejection will not be as reliable.
@Shinji0Ikari007
@Shinji0Ikari007 6 ай бұрын
@@redcat9436 have noticed that stuff like blazer is about 50/50 on ejecting.
@Paladin1873
@Paladin1873 6 ай бұрын
Great tips.
@darrellmora1319
@darrellmora1319 6 ай бұрын
Congrats, Caleb, you just peaked my curiosity! What knife store in Gatlinburg are you talking about? I remember things like that barrel o'guns you described in places like Krasne's or Dunn's in San Diego once upon a time...but I live in Pigeon Forge now. Be nice to find something like that at the other end of "the spur".
@briankopp1369
@briankopp1369 6 ай бұрын
The high standard model B should only be used with standard velocity. Any ammo labeled high velocity will ruin your grandpa's gun.
@oldmangreywolf6892
@oldmangreywolf6892 6 ай бұрын
I got the Garand Gear hollowed out gas plug to let me shoot 150g hunting ammo. Despite it saying I can shoot 180g, I would still stay to 150g.
@robgreene1776
@robgreene1776 6 ай бұрын
NO mention of the .45-70 and the Trapdoor ?
@billhatcher2984
@billhatcher2984 6 ай бұрын
Same thing goes for the old 45 -70s
@michaeloliveira8135
@michaeloliveira8135 13 күн бұрын
I own a marlin 22 revolver 1873 xx standard I can’t get the ammo or find it anywhere I don’t have any ammunition but cci 22 short hollow tips I know this would be dangerous and break the Gunn most likely.. is there a safe 22 short round I can shoot with this old iron??
@randallleonard1249
@randallleonard1249 6 ай бұрын
Are there any problems with an M1903 with modern 30-06 other than the known issues with the heat treatment on the early serial numbers?
@fishman80
@fishman80 6 ай бұрын
what about a 1913 colt 1911? ideas on ammo? been shooting regular federal ball so far
@56Spookdog
@56Spookdog 6 ай бұрын
The Astra 400 confuses a lot of people into using the wrong ammunition.
@g54b95
@g54b95 6 ай бұрын
What's confusing??!! 9mm Largo. 9mm Luger. 😆 Seriously, though. There are so many I see on GunBroker where the seller isn't even listing it in the right caliber.
@nekoghostgunner1129
@nekoghostgunner1129 6 ай бұрын
...and to add to the confusion people may have seen others shoot Astra 600s which are chambered in 9x19mm and don't know that they're different guns which look almost the same.
@56Spookdog
@56Spookdog 6 ай бұрын
@@g54b95 beside some not knowing that there’s a difference between 9mm’s they think it can be chambered with a 38.
@isoto0224
@isoto0224 6 ай бұрын
Exactly. Be 100% sure you're shooting the right caliber for the Astra 400. I shot 9x23 Winchester before and it cycles fine with no issues. The only problem it's a powerful round that the grips will crack a little and the grips screws will break in half.
@Juan_Doooh
@Juan_Doooh 6 ай бұрын
What about vintage milsurp bolt actions?
@snazzypants57
@snazzypants57 6 ай бұрын
What about older American built in the late 1800s?
@1SmokeyRider
@1SmokeyRider 6 ай бұрын
Well if it says it on the box then it must be true!
@beowulf7992
@beowulf7992 3 ай бұрын
.32acp from 1907?
@UnknownUser-fe5zu
@UnknownUser-fe5zu 6 ай бұрын
Why does Caleb always sound like his mic is across the room?
@JohnTBlock
@JohnTBlock 6 ай бұрын
When is headspace important? When firing the weapon, yes? Are you going to fire the weapon without those parts installed? No, of course not! It won't function properly! Seems sensible to test it in shootable condition...
@jacklow8590
@jacklow8590 6 ай бұрын
What about a 1979 colt sp1 it's Mark.223 is it safe to shoot 5.56?
@jaydunbar7538
@jaydunbar7538 6 ай бұрын
I would, I’m sure plenty will say not to but the way I figure it you can take a 223 and ream it out to a 22-250 then it makes no sense at all that the barrel doesn’t have enough metal to hold the difference in pressure between 5.56 and 223, if it really even does have a pressure difference since they are measured in different ways making the numbers not comparable. With an older rifle I’d be more worried about modern ammunition in general beating it up, keep an eye for unusual wear and make sure the recoil system is in proper working order and then send it. That my two cents anyway but not my gun or my face so do as you wish with that information.
@Retarmyaviator
@Retarmyaviator 6 ай бұрын
The Garand Collectors Association had a lengthy article about this subject a couple of years ago, you should have referred to this before posting this video. Far too many internet myths being spouted about adjustable gas plugs.
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
They aren't even gas plugs
@koa818
@koa818 6 ай бұрын
👍The Red 🐝 Yn mndaa tnla
@r1w3d
@r1w3d 6 ай бұрын
You guys have your mic modulation too high and that's what the hiss is on your audio. You need to turn the gain down and adjust it through the mic compressor you should have. 🤣
@1958PonyBoy
@1958PonyBoy 6 ай бұрын
Does the M1A in .308 have the same issue?
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 6 ай бұрын
No
@sbreheny
@sbreheny 6 ай бұрын
I don't believe so - the M1A is a modern design and if it is marked .308 it should be able to take all in-spec .308 ammo (which can be hotter than 7.62 NATO)
@airground1
@airground1 6 ай бұрын
​@@sbreheny308/762 same thing and operates at the same pressure
@audikid89
@audikid89 6 ай бұрын
So the M1 grand was built to substandards?
@KRN762
@KRN762 6 ай бұрын
No, it was built for the ammunition it was designed for (of that era).
@89sirmonk
@89sirmonk 6 ай бұрын
Say more that you know nothing about the m1 garand.
@sbreheny
@sbreheny 6 ай бұрын
No, it was designed before SAAMI made their specification. Improvements in smokeless powder have allowed .30-06 to be made more powerful than it was originally. This is not a problem for bolt action rifles (as I understand it) but it can put unintended stress on the semiauto operating parts in the Garand.
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 6 ай бұрын
Remember the 30-06 cartridge is now 118 years old.
@g54b95
@g54b95 6 ай бұрын
No. Modern powder isn't the same as powder from the 1940's.
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