Quickly Identify An In Tank Lift Pump On A Dodge Cummins

[@dixiemae5042]

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[@thoroughbreddiesel]

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[@dixiemae5042]

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[@dixiemae5042]

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[@cumminschevy5275]

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[@dixiemae5042]

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[@rickharris5485]

Thanks for putting this video together. It helped explain why my 04.5 fuel filter didn't have the lift pump bolted to the back of it. Video was well done, too.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

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[@nand0cuzz]

I’m new to diesels. This video helped a lot thanks 🤟🏽

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

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[@JVazquez-e5x]

I’m confused as hell on the 2nd gen fuel pumps 🙈 …giving you guys a call tomorrow…thanks for the video

[@bcdiesel8815]

So question I have a 2001 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9l cummins with 67,000 original mile . Installed a fass fuel system 165gh run it for 3 years the other day on my 10hr drive. 30mile get back to my home I lost all 17psi would start. I verified it not the vp44 pump, check all the wiring good . Pull the fuel filter off filter bone dry. So I I check the tank. I have fuel 1/2tank. I check all the Linda all good no leaks . Do you think it could be. A fass system?

[@MrDeticus]

I have an 03 2500 with in tank pump, but have a leak somewhere at the fuel filter assembly. I have QD connections at my filter assembly. Where can I buy new feed and return lines? I can't find what I need online.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Give us a call 1-859-737-4966.

[@royd157]

Does the 2003 dodge 5.9l Cummins have the VP43 ? I’m having an issue with my truck not starting as quickly as it used to ? My question is: is it my in tank module or is it my fuel lift pump , or is it both of them ?? Please advise ?

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

The 03 trucks did not have a VP44, they had CP3 injections pumps and were common rail. The 03 trucks were produced with the lift pump on the back of the fuel filter, owners converted to the in tank pump as these lift pumps failed. So look on the back of your fuel filter and see if the lift pump is still located on the back of the fuel filter housing.

[@larryacosta6144]

My grandson has a 2011 2500 with a 6.7 diesel.Truck dies out after running for 2 minutes. Let it sit for 30 seconds or so and it starts up again for about 2-3 minutes and dies. Is that a pump issue? How many pumps does this truck have.?

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Could be lift pump. To verify, you will need to have the truck on a laptop and monitor fuel rail pressure when the truck dies. You can take the delivery line off the cp3 from the fuel filter and test flow as well.

[@Darryl505]

Good Morning, I am reaching out hoping you could give me some insight, I watched your video on the fuel filter replacement of my dodge, I was looking for a clue as to why my truck died. I just bought it , was running great freeway and all , has359000 miles, It started up very easily always, drove it a few block and noticed some hesitation, and sputtering when I gave it a little gas,, fine with no load on pedal, turned a corner and the truck died. It cranks now but no start, no indication it is trying to start, the wait light works, I turned key on after I cracked open that bleeder you showed on the video , but nothing came out, when I turn key on I do not hear any fuel pump or anything , not sure what I should hear. I did the bump on the ignition , nothing came out. I am sending some pix of the top of fuel tank, and the thing I thought was a fuel relay but it looks different form the pix in auto parts store. It has fuel , I checked that and added 4 gallons , Any suggestions would be very helpful , oh I checked the fuel relay in the fender well location I switched it out with another to verify. I just looked at this video , it has a puck in place where the lift pump used to be, also do you have a part number for the fuel pump/lift pump in the tank for these conversions . thx

[@mr.magicstick9121]

So if you bought a 2nd gen with a Fass lift pump mounted to the side of the frame. Means its converted already no need to worry about it??

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Well, that doesn’t tell you if the truck at one time had been converted to a in tank pump, however it does tell you that you are running a superior fuel pump now!

[@ebuzek3648]

My 99 cummins 167,000 fuel level sensor won't read tank level between 1/2 and 1/4. It's been this way for a long time. Bought a fuel level sensor from ebay (said OE). Well it wasn't. Truck in the carport, torn apart so I called O'Rilleys. Yes we have one $226 but it's the whole assy. I go pick it up and notice it has 4 wires running in it instead of 2 like mine. Realized it had a fuel pump in it, so when I installed it I had no fuel pressure. I do have a aftermarket fuel gauge (0-16 psi). Called another O'rilleys to verify the part# and was given the same. They told me they would call tech support. They called me back and said the unit I bought was for a truck that had been converted. If I wanted the original style they could get it and it was only $770. I looked at my original one and figured out how to take the float apart. Drive out the pin that the float pivots on and bent the fingers on it. Now with my meter hooked up, I don't have any more glitches in it.

[@my1little2pony]

just purchased a 1999 cumin's fuel gauge dose not work had a new injection pump put on when i bought it and i noticed they hadn't changed the lift pump so order one then i figured i would order a sending unit but just to be sure looked at the one on the top of the tank and it has a 4 pin connector I'm sure their is a pump in their as well. would you scrap the in tank pump and order just a sending unit or scrap the block mounted lift pump?

[@turntsnaco103]

Very helpful thank you

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome. Happy to help.

[@theblackderek]

I got a 98.5 24v with block mounted and a in tank pump

[@theblackderek]

I got it this way

[@302toneranger]

Currently working on an 02 2nd gen that had the conversion done early in its life, thanks to this video I've found that the semi-recently replaced motor is running the block lift pump and burned out the in tank lift pump (or could not be wired in properly anymore) either way there's a restriction that needs taken care of. Probably wouldn't have figured it out without the help of this video. Thanks!

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome. Glad we could help!

[@lexusry]

I HAVE A 2001 RAM 2500 DIESEL. IT BARELY RUN, NO THROTTLE RESPOND, NO CODE, FUEL PRESSURE AT INJECTION PUMP IS 10 PSI. ANY SUGGESTION ???

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

Check your fuel filter? Maybe your injection pump is bad? Idk, I'm not an expert.

[@chriswisdom6818]

I just bought a project truck and it has the VP-44 on the side of the block, but the wires to the power connector are cut off with the pigtail still plugged into the VP-44. I can’t find the original wires anywhere. So I’m assuming they’re using it as a byp block essentially and the fuel sending unit in the tank is the pump?

[@robertmedsker5305]

Found a 2000 with 125000 mi and a dead lift pump .I stalled the fass DRP--02 replacement pump and could not be happier runs great and no flat spot at high rpm and engine load ... good stuff and good price. Great stuff on the channel... keep it up wade .

[@spencersgarage]

I have a 2003 5.9 Cummins HO. All that is going to the back of the fuel filter housing is a fuel line, no lift pump. Looks like it has been converted. My truck has 173K and seems low on power especially at 2000K+ RPMS. I think the lift pump is going bad. Does FASS offer a lift pump that has conversion for an in tank on an 2003?

[@Bulletfacial1]

Mine went bad the other day, I went to replace the lift pump, thinking it was on the back of the fuel filter housing. It wasn't, instead on the back of the housing was just what seemed like a metal spigot type of thing that connected with 3 bolts and had a fuel line attached to the bottom of it and was connected directly to the housing (definitely wasn't a pump). I'm assuming that means that it already had a lift pump replacement done to it, and its probably in the tank? It's an 04 with 283k miles on it, bought it at 205k. I can email a photo of what I took off of the back of the housing.

[@jameslang3079]

Everything stock equipment on this truck shows a pump in the tank and on the fuel filter housing and the cp44 so which one of these pumps is starving my truck for fuel?!?

[@pamelashosten4190]

Can you tell me if you found the solution. I have the intank and fuel filter mounted pump as well. How the heck is there 2 pumps running?

[@larrybrown6845]

Can I rebuild the pump in the tank or do I have to buy a new one, just asking

[@mavsfabshop]

Yeah, ive had major issues with my 03 5.9 here the past two weeks. My truck has the "lift pump" in the tank, and the actual one on the fuel filter housing. Replaced the sending unit and the lift pump on the housing along with the rail pressure sensor, and a new fuel filter because it was black, and used all OEM parts. (I had codes saying they were bad.) Got the truck running, but it acted like it wasnt getting enough fuel when the engine was under a load and hard starting. Mechanic said the fuel filter was black and slimy. So I'm guessing from this video, i have a restriction? To me, it kinda doesnt make sense because the sending unit i pulled out also had a pump on it and it ran fine for the almost 2½ years ive had it

[@user-ln7of9gs4s]

Excellent explanation. Just picked up a 2004, and this answered my questions! Thanks! Just a couple questions, where do you get the harness to go from the old lift pump to the fuel tank? How do you remove the old lift pump from the filter and get the adapter/fittings to go in there? I'm sure the dealer has it, I wasn't sure if there were after market kits available. Thanks!!!

[@LegendMuscle]

Also all of your videos are amazing. Time stamps everything perfect. Thankyou

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You’re welcome 😊

[@diesel_delph9764]

So I have a 2004 it has the pump mounted to the fuel filter and I want to put a aftermarket lift pump on it so I wouldn’t have to drop the tank just hook up new fuel lines to the fuel fittings on top of the sending unit?

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Yes, if you get a pump that’s GPH doesn’t not require you to install a draw straw, the tank doesn’t need to be dropped.

[@ira_peavy]

What is the proper fix for a truck that went in for a fuel pump and came out with a non working fuel guage? 2003 5.9 I am looking to buy a truck that this just happened to.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You could trace wiring down with the basket out and see if the sweep works. If not, we offer a replacement basket without a lift pump if you would prefer. Check these out - www.thoroughbreddiesel.com/fpe-sf-cumm-0304/

[@ira_peavy]

@@thoroughbreddiesel thanks for the reply! I will definitely be in touch if thats what the issue is. Thanks man

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

NP!

[@whatsin5335]

Hey, I purchased a Fass lift pump with BD sump from you for my 03 ram 3500. I bought the kit on july 27th and just today opened the box! I did not know I needed to fill out a warranty card… Can you please help me with getting my warranty? Anyhow today oct,27th I opened the box and started with installing the sump. My truck has a lift pump on the block but when I drilled a hole in the tank I hit what looks to be a fuel filter/Pump basket. I was able to get the sump installed by pushing the in tank unit out of the way. My question is how do I know what i have going on?? I think I have 2 lift pumps running fight each other. I’m going to go back out and try and figure this mess out. Thanks for the video

[@larrywilcox2311]

Finally....the best insight ever.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Thanks!

[@leonbreitbarth169]

Where do I get the block he’s talking about

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Give us a call 866-737-4966.

[@danriceman7533]

Glad you made this video. Now I did a fass conversion. I'd like to yank out the old fuel filter housing in a 02 with a vp44. Worried about the water in fuel sensor. Also I'd like to yank the old lift pump. Y'all got a solution?

[@d41more]

I have the same question, and no solution as yet.

[@LivingFaith2]

Good info! wish I knew about what an in-tank fuel pump replacement costs.

[@dillonwells5649]

New intake pump costed me $120 lol when I bought my 24v. Work in progress. I plan to remove it seeing how it has that in 2 feet from tank there’s another pump

[@deanemurray2666]

Should I be able to hear it run for a short time?

[@chriswaszczuk1087]

Good job ! Thanks for the heads up, simple and to the point

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome!

[@rogerbrewer7770]

Awsome information thanks for taking time to explain!

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

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[@Mack-r5k]

Thank you friend.very helpful.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome!

[@garzadelagarza]

What setup do you recommend more, in tank lift pump or the stock pump by the block?

[@codyyellott117]

garzadelagarza I like the fleece in tank pump

[@jpag8764]

There's no might. You will lose the VP44 if you run for extended periods of time (year plus) with low inlet pressure. Bought my '01 new and took it in a year or so later due to an occasional rough idle. They wanted to keep it for a week cause they "could not duplicate". Since this was my daily driver I could not leave it. Year later it quit and a diff. dealer found it had a bad lift pump (so that's what that noise is that it used to make). Year later it quit again. After running for more than a year with low inlet pressure the VP44 gave up the ghost. Hmm, wonder what that Shreider valve on the inlet side is there for🤔. Been through 3 lift pumps but still have the truck. Check the lift pressure every oil change. I do like the common rail better, MORE POWER.

[@andrewwatson758]

I have a 99 full stock I’m pretty sure I have the one one the block.... what do I need to do? Please let me know what I need

[@YardpigTSI]

Great video, thank you. A+++ A1

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome!

[@michaelcuff5780]

Bullshit! Its just another way Dodge can charge a shit ton of money to change the the one in the tank!

[@bruce9391]

I have a 2005 dodge diesel had a spike in voltage unhooked the battery’s and volt meter still pegged out at 18 volts. Took the lift pump out and tested it with battery it works but I have no power going to the whip for the lift pump. All crank no start I put fuel in the fuel filter still no start any thoughts thanks in advance

[@fvasquez171]

Bruce langevin ever find out what was wrong i got exact same problem😒

[@creativeloafer9792]

Excited new owner of my first diesel (nice 02 2500 2wd Quad Cab auto 188k). It does have the in-tank conversion already but very interested in doing the GDP Fuel Boss as my first “upgrade”. Apart from increasing reliability, I plan on keeping the truck mostly stock.

[@warsteed357]

Ok, now im confused as hell. I have 03 ,5.9. The fuel filter housing has 2 wiring pig tails. No longer getting fuel in housing after filter change, so I guess my fuel pump has issues???

[@Tommyboy32]

Was it the fuel pump?

[@kimberlybeck4128]

Thanks so much for the detailed explanation! Great information.

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome. Happy to help.

[@wolf_crown]

You have a video for all of my questions

[@spudth]

Dig a whale? Haha, oh, a well gotcha?

[@justinburns7073]

I have a 2001 dodge cummins 3500 5 speed. I was driving home yesterday and it started cutting out extremely bad and bucking really bad. I couldn't hardly get it to go faster than 60 mph. It would idle fine. But once I hit the hmgas pedle while driving or sitting still it would cut out. And sometimes when I really hit the gas pedal it would blow a small puff of white smoke. I changed the fuel filter and there was a ton of debris under the filter inside the canister that holds the filter. I cleaned it out and put the new filter in and primed the motor. It still cuts out and its not really even drivable. When I was priming motor, I would bump the key and hear the pump kick on for 30 seconds but now it won't kick on when I bump the key and now won't start. And I have 0 psi on fuel pressure. I absolutely have to have this truck back up and running by Monday. I own a concrete business and have equipment to pull Monday morning. I need some help in a bad way. I don't even care if someone calls me to give me some advice. Any help please. (573)-315-5608

[@garyharlow1588]

Did you figure out what the issue was?

[@justinburns7073]

@@garyharlow1588 yeah, lost power to the lift pump on the engine. Never found out why I lost power tho. So we just hard wired yhe left pump. Been great every since then

[@garyharlow1588]

Thanks for info. My lift pump is cutting in and out, its a raptor. It start off with good pressure and shuts off, commanded it on with my scanner when it happens and it just make humm noise. 20 mind later it come back on

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

1. Quickly identify in tank lift pump or block mount 2. Install airdog2 4g, or fuellabs pump/filter 3. Install beans sump meow 4. Maintain religiously! kinda halfway good maybe.....😶 HUUUUHHHH!?? What's a fuel filter? A whaaaat... Er... Separator? Shoot, I clean the fuel filters each time I fuel up. I don't leave my fuel cap off when it's rainin'. So ain't no water getting in that there deezul anydanghow. WHAT?! I do change my earl. Every time I have to add some. Shoooot, I change ma earl errr week sometimes .... Er when she starts a knockin'. 'chever comes 1st. Lube her up full and we're good to go for another round of shenanigans! YEEHAW! Tow Murs! 5. Drive to 1 million miles. Meow

[@coltonensley7523]

Awesome info and answered all my questions

[@brendangair2023]

so I have a block mounted lift and a failing intermittent fuel guage...tank is full. 2nd gen. Truck started bucking the other day, and pressure at the lift (Raptor about 4 years old )fluctuated between 0psi and zero. (gauge is in cab)would this mean a failing lift? or maybe just a plugged filter? Love you videos BTW!

[@garyharlow1588]

Did you figure out what was wrong?

[@brendangair2023]

@@garyharlow1588 yeah, the predator lift pump failed of course it wasnt warranteed by then…..bought a non adjustable replacement by FASS…no issues so far, runs about 16 psi all the time , drops to 10 when stomped on.still have a failing sending unit in the tank…. But thats for another day. Also replaced the MAP sensor and cam sensors….no more intermittant bucking.

[@garyharlow1588]

Was wandering, mine surges and bucks at all speeds when try to accelerate. Going to check fuel pressure from lift pump and go from there. Thanks sir.

[@brendangair2023]

@@garyharlow1588 i would definitely replace cam position sensor Under the VP pump…pita to access, cost me 100$ at my mechanic to do, and map sensor…behind fuel filter above lift pump….I also foil wrapped the alternator wire, seems feed back can cause ecm to act up…bucking..assume you have looked at Moparman and the Turbo deisel sites too….lots of guys have the issue.

[@garyharlow1588]

Yes I did see deal about wire that runs over alternator, and map sensor

[@ericlandry7520]

Like👍 the videos keep them rolling can you make more on the 2017 to 2019 6.7 ford powerstroke diesel. Keep up the great work.

[@genaroamaya4320]

🤓👌🛠️smart

[@armandoguzman2381]

Thanks for the video helps a lot ☺️

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You’re welcome 😊

[@anonymousgeorge4321]

Good one. Thanks

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

You're welcome. Happy to help.

[@MostlyPeacefulCombatVet]

Wade and the fellers @Thoroughbred Diesel are the best! 👍 thanks again for the Great videos. See y'alls on the next one🇺🇸

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Thanks!

[@failingdisciple938]

Off subject. If I wanted to monitor fuel pressure, should I add a sensor to the high pressure or low pressure side?

[@thoroughbreddiesel]

Really depends on the truck and the reason your monitoring fuel pressure.

[@putawaywet1]

I would put sensor on low side showing lift pump pressure, this is where the problems usually start. If your injector pump failed, it wouldn’t run , if your lift pump failed, it would still run killing your injector pump