The Worst Plotline in Game of Thrones History

[@krops2331]

I'm from the future. It gets worse.

[@souldry]

😂 greetings person of tomorrow! On behalf of the people of today, I welcome you.

[@souldry]

These tomorrow people are popping up everywhere all of the sudden

[@uplockkk]

the future is so bad that we had to invent time machines just to come back and warn you about game of thrones

[@gaspardp7314]

I'm from the same future as GoldenLipstick, but I'm gonna assume that it got worse even further in the future.

[@minecraftvvg4250]

im from a future 6 days after you, dont watch the second last episode of game of thrones itd trash.

[@shubhamnew]

"Syrio is coming back in season 8 c'mon" ArE yOuR exPecTaTIons sUbVRted NoW ???

[@John-fz3ij]

D and D kinda forgot about Syrio...

[@DivineAtheistWannabe]

@@John-fz3ij like how Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet

[@Hanouna1111]

Worst plotline? Oh my sweet summer child.

[@ichduersiees3380]

Came for this 😅

[@yarus5889]

Need a bad pussy

[@lce_Queen]

Drone was definitely.worse.

[@mrvulture8981]

@@lce_Queen the long (one) Night was the worst

[@ladyYeniel]

Back then they actually had plotlines

[@baalrog666]

This video has aged well.

[@jeffreybrege4576]

And then some...

[@Aethelbeorn]

Iron Bars like fine wine.

[@D3r3k2323]

Not really... There are now even worse story lines

[@silverdragon710]

except of the syrio forel part

[@laurocoman]

He predicted Mary Sue Arya.

[@theminisimmer]

*The worst plotline in Game of Thrones history* Season 8: hold my Starbucks.

[@asarishepard8171]

dont forget my water bottle.

[@geertex]

..gets 3 months of training ..kills the nightking What would the books do?

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

Isn't she still like 11 years old in the books?

[@neilzkun2131]

@@berserkasaurusrex4233 in the first book she is 9

[@jamiegreyy]

Apparently she was in Braavos for like two years. That's how shit the pacing in the show became. It literally felt like nothing.

[@neilzkun2131]

@@jamiegreyy I think that Time is the main thing that is making 7th and 8th seasons going down, characters traveling from far away in little time, we dont have a perception of the character's ages and not showing how much time has passed since a certain event, I guess this is happening because D&D are probably rushing the show

[@xanthelinhs2143]

D&D said they came up with this idea 3 years ago.This would be while they were filming S7. George gave them info at the end of S4 as he was prepared to leave the show, he hasn't been involved in the production since that meeting. That means Arya killing the night king was an original idea by D&D to "subvert expectation". So it's probably not happening in the books. EVEN, if it did happen in the books somehow, I don't think it will be Arya magically rocket jumping over 12 White Walker generals to surprise attack the night king when the previous scene she could barely escape a few wights.

[@luizrafael7939]

oh God, if only you knew what was about to happen in season 8...

[@mist4620]

I just stumbled upon this video and channel. This guy nailed it. Not. Brown, green, blue... An assassin's blade... What we say... This has been in the making since day 1. It's Thrones, that little thing that someone said or did in the background... Probably mattered somehow.

[@nixiontm]

@@mist4620 eh no, D&D themselves said that they only had this idea about 3 years ago (about S6 at the time) and did it only to subvert expectations. yeah they only did it for shock value because everyone expected jon snow to kill the NK. fuck the prophecies and the foreshadowing, and the years of build up.

[@MilanSmore]

Sutoko Lol “the little things matter in Got” right? But 10 years of White walker build up isnt shit and taken care of in ONE episode? Cmon

[@fluffix3330]

@@nixiontm Exactly :)

[@apc3938]

@@mist4620 ha ha you regurgitated the same bs excuses for terrible writing. Another great series killed by terrible writing. Actual Game of Thrones ended with the season 5 finale and fanfic game of thrones takes over after.

[@SalKo7Kosal]

Arya in the show never did convinced me that she is a skill assassin. After leaving bravos she becomes cocky and so full of herself. The character is not interesting anymore but rather annoying.

[@ZorroTomas94]

What about the assassination of Walder Frey and all the key-Freys that planned and executed the Red Wedding?

[@leGrille200]

@@ZorroTomas94 ye it was cringy. On the other Hand. Walder Frey is just an old man ...

[@ZorroTomas94]

@@leGrille200 Yeah it's true that Walder Frey himself is absoutely no physical threat whatsoever, but I mean that the skill to get into the position where you can assassinate the Lord of a great house is kinda remarkable imo. Agreed that it was a bit cringey though hehe but I kinda liked it!

[@trendqiang3921]

But the real Arya already dead..who knows what happened in that room..I never believe Arya it is the one that matters to the god

[@leGrille200]

@@trendqiang3921 no way the waif would know about the mastrer of arms in Winterfell or the Maester. So that theory has serious downsides.

[@LevatekGaming]

The show died with Tywin

[@diskeyes]

Eh. I agree for the most part. But the season 6 episodes battle of the bastards and the winds of winter as the exception. Miguel is a masterclass director and both of those episodes really harken back to the OG game of thrones

[@toxendon]

@@diskeyes Season 5 and onwards was exceptional film making with less than amateur writing.

[@marloyorkrodriguez9975]

along with his golden shit, it is known

[@diskeyes]

Eratosthenes very well put. I agree 100%

[@diskeyes]

Planet Watcher this is a very good point, and I actually appreciate this comment. Insightful, smart, good comment.

[@bigdrippy4104]

Arya was never even trained that well all she did was fall over for 7 seasons

[@elreiec1]

Arya’s best arc I think we can all agree on was when she was with the Hound.

[@hmark03]

Nope.

[@blitzknight3499]

@@hmark03 nah he's right

[@rimun5235]

@@blitzknight3499 Her training moments in the books were great. The way she was different characters, etc. I sincerely hope she stays there for way more time than the show has allowed.

[@gergnotsloh]

The Hound was her best trainer in my opinion as well, as far as survival and life go.

[@MrJH101]

@Gregory Holston Agreed. The Hound training her was still when this show was grounded in realism and wasn’t just some typical power fantasy. Like when he taught her the important difference between _practicality_ vs _flashiness:_ ----------------- *“The GREATEST Swordsman who ever lived didn’t have a SWORD???”* -Hound sniggers. “...All right. You have a sword. Let’s see what he _taught_ you.” -Arya twirling her sword, Needle. -Hound with his hands at his hips. *“Go on. Do it for your Bravosii friend! **_...Dead_** like all the rest of your friends.”* -Arya spins 360 degrees. -Lunges her Needle at the Hound at full force. -...Blade does nothing, not even pierces. -Hound looks down at it for a second -Arya, still in disbelief... -He returns his gaze back at Arya. -Raises the back of his hand **WHAAMM** 💥 -Arya falls. -Hound walks over. -Picks up her sword and points it at her. *“Your friend’s dead; Meryn Trant’s not. Because Trant had ARMOR and a BIG FUKN’ SWORD.”* -Flips Needle around. -Gives it back to her. -Heads back to camp (presumably to eat chicken).

[@ericktello231]

The worst plot line in got history is now the Night King lol, having to build up from seasons 1-8 just to have a *LAME* ending.

[@henkie7414]

No its still arya, shes still the reason he died. so actually this aged perfectly, *hint* they both have arya in it.

[@ericktello231]

Henkie that’s just your opinion, I am more angry with what they did to the night king than Arya. If I could change one it’d be the night kings.

[@henkie7414]

@@ericktello231 Its not an opinion tho, Arya clearly fucks up evry character arc there is. Like literally. THATS NOT AN OPINION ITS A FACT "rip that one dude where this quote is from"

[@ericktello231]

Henkie how does she fuck up every characters arc, her and the hound had a great one together when they were traveling, when she was being taken to the nights watch it wasn’t her fault that the Lannisters took her to harrenhall (was gendry) then she was with the brotherhood but they sold Gendry to Melisandre so she left. Basically she had a great start and middle, up to bravos the writers shitted on her story. *FACTS* Who’s story arc did she ruined lol. Little finger was ruined I guess by her and Sansa but The Night Kings shouldn’t be the one to be ruined.

[@spec0117]

@CalvinSomething I imagine at this point thats the "in development" name of the show lol

[@MartieD]

I don't understand why Arya is so good at 1vs1 combst. It doesn't seem like something the Faceless would concentrate their training on.

[@BigBalvin]

MartieD Nope but Syrio Forrell

[@brianbernstein3826]

Yeah those three one hour lessons with Syrio made all the difference. She went from not being able to catch a wooden sword to being able to catch it. A day later she was Bruce lee.

[@tommerker8063]

to be fair the show ALWAYS had problems with showing the passing of time, but it wasn't so obvious when the story and characters where good enough to make you overlook stuff like that

[@lindseycassella3015]

@FitzChivalry Farseer it looked to me that Arya admired her and they were having fun. Maybe I misinterpreted.

[@iamnotinvolved1309]

@FitzChivalry Farseer yeah I hated that too. It's as if all the stuff the Hound was trying to teach her just went out the window

[@kuziokundera]

This episode is where Arya went from my favorite...to semi likable...and now in Season 8 becomes super fan service character.

[@Fingolfin7455]

No, in season 7 she is already a fanfictioncharacter She bested fucking Brienne

[@ragnarlodbrok1233]

You want a good writing, but the writers needed the bad POOOOSYYY!!!!

[@imbiant]

😂😂😂😂

[@BigMisterApple]

*Cries in laughter* Oh boy... This has aged perfectly.

[@laurocoman]

From season 1-6: Arya is progressively changing, steadily becoming a better and more complete character. Season 7-8: Mary Sue Westerosi Batman.

[@laurocoman]

@Jim Johnson oh, right. That's the face swapping season.

[@laurocoman]

@Jim Johnson oh, yeah. When she was thrown into a sewer with four stabs in her stomach and survived. I guess Robert was killed by Jaquen Hagar as a boar.

[@Wallychans]

She’s a ruthless independent badass + a caring inseparable family member intelligent young woman + a clumsy little girl struggling just to keep up. Obsessed assassin + careless wanderer Dead and crushed by falling buildings + alive and well. 😋 Her character makes NO sense. I’ve never been so confused from a character plot, even when writers intentionally meant to sway you. They just do whatever they want with her at the moment and nothing adds up. Seeing the fandom fall for this shit is infuriating...

[@laurocoman]

@@Wallychans "I'm Arya Stark, the last Starks, we are family, I'll say family more often than Toretto... I'm gonna fuck off to Winterfel and then to the other side of the World, it's not like my family needed protection due to being in powerful political positions literally everyone has been killing the shit out of each other for since season 1"

[@iamnotinvolved1309]

@Jim Johnson aryas character starts dying from the beginning of S5 tbh and it's so sad

[@theCarbonFreeze]

Arya used to be my favorite character in S1-S4. The faceless men arc completely killed my interest in her. It was just so boring and since then she's been an insufferable brat with no arc or personality. I hate how the showrunners glorify her as this "badass" super-assassin when in the first four seasons she was a traumatized girl with a kill list. An eight year old child who dreams of killing a dozen people isn't cool or something to aspire to, it's tragic and worthy of pity. Arya's arc should have been about dealing with her trauma and moving past it, not becoming Batman.

[@ertaskwn]

👋👋👋👋

[@tesseract2144]

[phone] You summed up everything about this character

[@roll14tideroll]

I mean she kinda did move past it when she saw Dany burn kings landing. That’s why she left

[@austinmasoni1549]

​@@roll14tideroll but it felt so forced like if they wanted us to believe that vengeance is a double edged sword than they shouldn't have had a bunch of her kills make her look her like a badass Batgirl

[@Violent2aShadow]

Who knew that Arya would kill Littlefinger and the Night King in the most anticlimactic way possible.

[@TheOriginalMomos]

Eh the Littefinger death was fine imo, what lead to his death was very dumb though. We were just supposed to assume that Arya and Sansa would just hate each other randomly.

[@Tina06019]

Only an assassin could have killed the Night King. That’s why that bit was kind of satisfying to me.

[@papereye9736]

@@Tina06019 "Only an assassin could have killed the Night King" - even if that were true, it would only be true because the writers wrote the Night King into a situation where he could be killed by an assassin. The Night King could've died a number of ways. It could've been a joined effort between Jon, Arya and Bran, it could've just been Jon, it could've been many things. But they chose to make it Arya, and only Arya. Not because it made sense for her character or story, or because it made sense from a 'tactical' point of view, or any of that. They did it because they admitted at several points that Arya was their favourite, and additionally, she's a fan favourite. Everything's been building towards a confrontation between Jon and the Night King. And we got nothing. So that's disappointing. Everything with Arya has been building towards her revenge plot. She's done nothing but seek revenge and the means to get that revenge. Nothing in her story has been building towards this. And if you want to bring up the "You'll close eyes" bit - if that were anything of relevance, blue eyes wouldn't have been stated in the middle originally. It probably would've been the first or the last colour mentioned. Cause that's how you do foreshadowing. Drawing attention to relevant points subtly.

[@charleswashington3973]

TheOriginalMomos Was it though? Sansa had Bran. Sansa gets worried about both Baelish and Arya. Sansa asks Bran about their intentions. Bran looks into their pasts, sees all the shit Baelish has done. Baelish is fucked.

[@ghostofuchiha3807]

Tina lmao thats like saying only an assassin can kill the Grim Reaper. The Night King is no "get stabbed like a peasant and just die" type of character. He is the biggest threat of the world. He is the personification of winter, cold and death. He and the White Walkers started spreading like an unstoppable virus since the very first season and you tell me a FUCKING ASSASSIN should be the one STABBING DEATH ITSELF?! Are you out of your fucking mind?

[@bennyshreds]

After she kills the night king she pulls off her face and it's Brie Larson

[@conrad7551]

*laughs in triggered*

[@Sarapapa666]

But *with* or *without* makeup? Because this is of paramount importance

[@Bell_Matt]

Is this like a personal attack or something?

[@smaller_cathedrals]

Well, at least it'd be a more attractive Arya.

[@fionnaitsradag5152]

LOOOOOOOOOL! 😂

[@user-qf6yt3id3w]

Maybe they're going to be really bold and reveal that The Waif killed Arya, took her face and has been pretending to be Arya ever since. However it's more likely Dan and Dave just don't care about details.

[@TheMaleRei]

Dan and Dave said - "Let's make Arya our little waifu! It'll be so hot, and the wamenz will love it!" Except, to people who aren't insane, it's precisely the opposite of what they wanted to show.

[@adaojr]

Really hope that is the case. Would bem the obly thing that makes any sense...

[@loulasher]

I agree about Arya's direwolf, but only if there was that degree of internal consistency in the show.

[@adaojr]

Shei was actually in doubt about It. That is the whole point of the scene: she saw there was something strange with Arya... Other than that the scene serves no purpose... But It may be the case since a lot of Arya arc in the series serve no purpose...

[@tehn3085]

That would make less sense especially after season 7. And the whole thing with Nymeria. Nymeria would know if that wasn't Arya and she would be dead.

[@squashedeyeball]

But hey, Arya could live two weeks as Walder Fray, manage his entire freaking region and household and still have no clue about what happened in the north. And of course, fence with Brianne... While being 5454 meters short and using a small sword (Which is bloody useless).

[@walruslatte6080]

it doesn't say that she was impersonating Frey for two weeks, only that Walder Frey gave a feast two weeks ago.

[@squashedeyeball]

Walrus Latte So she killed him two weeks ago at that feast. What happened during those two weeks? Were his household just assuming that he dissipated and magically prepared after two weeks? Or can it be that they saw him and interacted with him, only that it was Arya in disguise for all that time? Either option makes this whole thing extremely nonesensical...

[@alanpennie8013]

squashedeyeball If you've read the Mercy chapter you will know the Arya has a real skill for management. Running a castle for two weeks should be a breeze after running those players (not that she actually did that in the show rather annoyingly).

[@squashedeyeball]

Alan Pennie So yes, we are talking about the show. And then even if we take the books int consideration, does that means that she knows all of the people related to Fray by name, appearance, knows the region like the lines of her palm and know of any of his plans? Because two weeks of ruling as lord Fray, would put her in every situation where she'll have to possess such knowledge.

[@alanpennie8013]

squashedeyeball She might have leaned rather heavily on that pretty competent steward Lord Walder had (forget his name). Mind you at this point I'm probably devoting more thought to that scene than D&D did

[@Kinta8888]

And you thought her storyline couldn't get any worse S8 happens

[@factbeaglesarebest]

It’s going perfectly in the books.

[@soumia117]

in s8 she isn’t even using her skills as an assassin or her masks but rather she’s moving like some kind of swords-fighter who fights people head on which doesn’t make fucking sense since she’s an ASSASSIN

[@croft-tom1631]

Arya does this jump at 4:53 after getting stabbed in the belly multiple times on the day before Human anatomy: Am I a joke to you?

[@chrispratt3666]

Arya's story is full of wasted potential but nothing is worse than Dorne.

[@mrvulture8981]

NK was biggest waste ever

[@NowhereMan7]

7 seasons of mystery and build up. Who are they? What do they want? What will happen? Are they really evil? Cant wait to learn how it all fits together. Hardhome: WOWOWOWOW I CANT WAIT to see how the night king and Jon face off!!! Actual show: Just forget ALLLLL of that. Were going to have Arya fall out of the sky and stab him to death and move on. Were going to do that cliche thing from action movies where the baddie takes too long to deliver the fateful blow that allows the goodies to deliver a fateful blow instead.

[@GabrielBelmont4727]

Arya in the books has some of the best chapters but oh man in the series... its not acceptable

[@GabrielBelmont4727]

@FitzChivalry Farseer the ones with the brotherhood without banners for example are amazing

[@RenegadeShepard69]

Marco Zoppè Tbh I only chapters I really liked were the ones with Yoren's group, and with the brotherhood - because of the secondary characters, it was a close look at the scum of westeros and suprised me to see how fleshed out and memorable some of them were, and because there was so much to expect, so many ways where it could (at one point I'm hypin for her to go to the wall, or winterfell, then all changes, maybe riverrun now, ok then, now the vale, or king's landing, then idfk anywhere. Hardly ever she was the highlight of her chapters imo. Meanwhile the show's version of her journey is like a predictable, already layed out track for her to follow in her revenge saga against evey single "eeviiiilll" character. While in the books it was more like "I'm goin to Harrenhal, okay, maybe I'mma kill the Mountain, -change of plans, now that Im goin to King's Landing Imma kill Cersei"(which was just her being her usual cocky way, she wasn't really gonna kill everybody with wishful thinking like she is doin in the tv series, actually, her death list ends up getting shorter without her intervention). She essentially became the embodienment of the "anyone can die" factor of Martin's writing. If Arya wants she can kill any character, so we know there ain't no way her enemies will survive, because she doesn't want to. Aynways, A Terrible idea for a character imho, hope the books develop her differently.

[@anandhus4361]

the series arya is better

[@jamesp877]

I loved Arya in the series, up until she left the Hound. Beyond that, awful.

[@Alhalmeya]

it’s fine in the series stoopid

[@nunouno001]

The moment Game of Thrones became an Idiot plot. A story that only works because everyone involved is an idiot. Well except Bran, he's just a plot Deus ex Machina device now, how convenient.

[@MartnCFdk]

nunouno001 Arya and Bran are my least favorite characters in this show. I don't know about the books, but I'm pretty sure nowadays I just want them to die in the battle with the white walkers. Happily ever after

[@67tedward]

+Martin Coronel The Bran plot in the books seems a whole lot darker. The bloodraven plot might be leading to Bran becoming a puppet body for the children of the forest... not only that, but there's a decent theory that they fed Jojen to Bran in the tree.

[@nexis1293]

Agreed bran is so painful now, I actually can't stand his character at this moment.

[@ryanh1013]

Funny enough Arya turned out to be the Deus Ex Machina device

[@ryanh1013]

MarkusWithNoPurpose Of course we’re salty. Everyone here is salty. And for damn good reason.

[@Kathkere]

I just saw episode three of season eight. Well. Well... well, well, well... well... ... ... well. That kind of sums up my thoughts. It is good to know that the series' creators respects the character arcs (and yes this is sarcasm).

[@franlovelsimic8421]

Awful, so sad, angry and disappointed

[@ericktello231]

The worst plot line in got history is now the Night King lol, having to build up from seasons 1-8 just to have the dumbest lamest stupidest ending

[@ericktello231]

This angers me more than what last Jedi did.

[@nolives]

I usually stick up for minority representation and strong female roles. But giving Arya Jon's story arc conclusion was Idpol pandering for sure.

[@hmark03]

What did you not like in it?

[@tetrahedron_in_space]

This plotline is made even more egregious when you realize that Arya never uses this incredibly broken power in seasons 7 or 8. Not a single time. It's mentioned in season 7 when Sansa finds the faces in Arya's bag, but that's it. Complete waste.

[@markcobuzzi826]

After impersonating Walder Frey in the Season 7 opener, she never uses it again. What especially baffles me is why they did not at least have Arya take on the appearance of a Wight, before taking out the Night King. It would at least make her assassination scene a little easier to swallow, give some more purpose to her actual training, and even pay homage to the books, where the “kindly man” appears to Arya with a skeletal face. But apparently, even a simple idea like that never crossed their minds.

[@NowhereMan7]

@@markcobuzzi826 Even silly ideas like Arya being a wight are better than the real show. That is saying something.

[@medioprecio837]

the current president of Brazil was stabbed in 2018. He had to go through several "cutting-edge" hospitals, underwent several surgeries, used a colostomy bag and is not 100% recovered. Arya, in addition to having a "healing factor", can also teleport

[@listek981]

Few months ago mayor of city Gdańsk in Poland was attacked on stage and got stabbed few times. Died couple of days later despite medicine being badass.

[@medioprecio837]

@@listek981 well remembered. As you can see, GOT is going downhill

[@listek981]

@@medioprecio837 a single stab to the neck killed countless people in GoT yet wrecking guts with knife does nothing for Arya. I wouldn't call that downhill - for me it's more of a free fall.

[@medioprecio837]

@@listek981 SJW's times. they did in Star Wars now GoT

[@dorinoprea5835]

@@medioprecio837 exactly, and before someone calls me mysoginistic, i would have had the same opinion if it was a boy instead of Arya. Its stupid writing, just so the feminists wet themselves. Women should be dissapointed aswell, because they are obviously taken for idiots by the show writers.

[@oberstul1941]

The waif was acting/running like T1000 in Terminator2. I swear by R'hllor.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

oberstul fan service yes but it was cool lol cmon now

[@mercyfulfate666]

oberstul I felt the same while I was watching. I was waiting for the moment she would become a silver slime on the floor xD

[@nexis1293]

20 minutes after watching that episode, my brother said to me "it was like watching The T1000 from terminator 2" lol. Spot on

[@phousefilms]

Yeah, when did GOT become Assassins Creed? I thought they were all about being subtle...

[@Spydiggity]

I thought the same thing. Looks like a lot of people did. What angers me is that they could have been so much more clever with it without it taking up too much extra screen time.

[@donwilli]

Quinn how could you say such things? That terminator chase scene in broad daylight was brilliant. I mean whay better way for a secret assassins guild to stay secret. Also when the Waif shows up to Lady Crane's place with some random dude's face for no reason, just to remove it off screen, how is that not Emmy material right there? You know Quinn I think you're to hard on the show. Why do things need to be consistent, or make sense? I'm sure there no way anyone could do better. Dan and Dave are they best writers EVER, and can't wait to see what they plan to do to Star Wars. They can only make things better. - Azor Ahype

[@Brando64]

I've missed you, Don!

[@CarlosAnthonyDeLeon]

If D&D had directed The Last Jedi, Snoke would have been cut in half and then done a chase scene through the star destroyer...

[@MrFirextinguisher]

Lmfao amazing comment

[@alanpennie8013]

A Don of Ice and Fire They actually might make Star Wars better. At least I don't see how they can make it much worse.

[@MrFirextinguisher]

Alan Pennie I can think of a few ways

[@queencercei4207]

I also think Jon snow gets an easy time. Jons Character is so dull and numbingly cliche that's he's become the bathroom sign.

[@sansapark2515]

Queen Cercei Have to agree, he is such an aweful Character, they took the honourable jon snow cheesyness to new levels in season 7.

[@alanpennie8013]

Queen Cercei Aha. A Preston fan.

[@queencercei4207]

Alan Pennie I think Preston gives people the confidence to actually say what we have been thinking all along. That book Jon and show jon have some really big problems as a Character.

[@natruto]

Kit always seemed a bit wooden to me.. his delivery weak.. like he never projected his voice with his gut.. which makes not only the actor seem inadequate but the character himself seeing as hes supposed to be a charismatic leader... and the fact its George's sort of self insert character... but at least hes superficially attractive enough for people to accept him. he has gradually gotten better.. but it would of been nice if he settled into his character in say.. season 1? instead of like.. 4.. and i found his story to be very contrived.. like everything he did or said wasn't difficult or too rewarding for me to predict. id like to think because i share similar attributes to the character.. but hes just another hero trying to do the right thing.

[@alanpennie8013]

Nathaniel Manzi He's certainly not the strongest actor on the show but has got better over time as you say. Plus he's handy with a sword and has very nice hair.

[@gavina-kk5td]

Little does he know, eventually the entire series will be about Arya!

[@Xtoff]

A Song of Arya and Fire

[@princesa2198]

Stop being a drama queen.

[@Xtoff]

@@princesa2198 Drama *queen* that's so sexist! It's "Drama Person of Color"

[@theboy1625]

Lmao the favoritism was real

[@jamesgillam9656]

I feel like in the show when a Westeros character goes to Essos it’s to spin their wheels until the real plot needs them

[@NowhereMan7]

Varys and Tyrion pretty much had no plot after sailing to Essos and the less said about Aryas the better

[@Katibree]

I personally enjoyed the Meryn Trant death scene just because of all the shit he did to Sansa in earlier seasons. The excessive violence used while Arya killed him would have made more sense (character motivation wise) if she'd known how he had treated her sister though.

[@crowseye4434]

Zephilia S that’s just fan service. Of course we wanna see the pedo Meryn Trant get killed. Of course. Lazy. It didn’t really mean anything

[@Katibree]

Crow’s Eye Yep, enjoyed it regardless

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

His pedophilia thing seemed very unnecessary. He's a amoral Lannister toady, they don't need to justify him being killed.

[@alanpennie8013]

Dean Cutler They might have referencing Raff from the Mercy chapter.

[@wizard101_luver7]

Edward Armstrong Tyrion and others I believe repeatedly refer to him as a child or girl beater though in early seasons so it wasn’t added to the plot specifically to justify Arya’s brutal killing I believe, but they did use it as a scape goat and it was kinda dumb

[@danielmcgillis270]

As a combat medic i have seen many wounds. Your chances of surviving a gut wound in this day and age is very high as long as you get prompt medical atrention. Promot meaning within 1 hour. Most gut wounds wont bleed out unless it is avulsed to ensure it dose not close. The biggist worry is infection, namely paratenitis. A gut wound in the day and age of GoT was a prescription for a slow painfull death. And jumping into an open swer with any kind of wound is a virtual death sentence in any day and age even with antibiotics. As far as the Red Wedding gose, I think stabing Rob Starks betrothed in the stomach was more symbololic, though it may have killed her quickly if it hit the right spot.

[@LL-xp2jb]

Daniel McGillis. I've read similar information plus anecdotes from ER personnel. I'm a medievalist, and history records a number or what were then called 'miraculous' battlefield recoveries. Back in those days (and probably now) some people were blessed with what may have been very strong immune systems. Arya had those ("We Starks are hard to kill"}. but more important she drank from the Healing Well in the HoB&W. I'm convinced that's why sepsis did not set in.

[@alanpennie8013]

L L Good explanation. At least if we reluctantly have to abandon the Waif Arya theory.

[@pulkmees]

Also Rob didn't technically die from only the stabbing, it was also the crossbow arrows.

[@Richard_Nickerson]

@@pulkmees Robb was stabbed in the heart in the book.

[@basstfestivalvlogs7684]

@@LL-xp2jb sir read more almost all meraculaus recovery where do to lack of photography if your the kings ally and a king dies in battle shut up don't tell anyone and drag out some one with a beard and give him a similar haircut cause known heroes are hard to find and if the mith dies the Empire dies I'd love to see a movie show that .

[@Obsidius]

OYSTERS, CLAMS AND COCKLES!

[@alanpennie8013]

Obsidius Alive, alive, o.

[@Havik99]

YOUR OYSTERS FRESH?

[@667766667]

"One cock please" (Theon Greyjoy)

[@richardbourton4523]

*shivers* it cuts right through you. So shrill.

[@juliannah5721]

@@richardbourton4523 THANK YOU. Every time she yelped that, it went thru my head like a fucking drill.

[@cycadaacolyte6349]

As a swimmer I can say that your ore/stomach muscles get used more than people think. You're not swimming after that kind of a stabbing, especially not diving...

[@georgewood6211]

Drogo- Small cut Areo- dagger in back Plot armor: Arya - stabbed a lot

[@thejakyl1369]

It is clear that the writers have no balls to kill anyone major off after they went through the book material. Killing Arya would have been as bold as the red wedding, but there is not a nut sack to fill with the combined writing staff. Good is good, bad is bad, and no more gray areas. No more deaths of main characters that the audience wants to be a hero. All bland, all predictable.

[@jeffbachman2949]

Ewok Hunt Mode They have killed more charcters than George.

[@MrTVx99]

Jeff Bachman yeah but their deaths felt like throwaways. Like when Rick Stark just ran in a straight fucking line against a guy shooting a bow and arrow and just at the last second when Jon was going to catch him, he gets shot. Wow great writing

[@BigBalvin]

Ewok Hunt Mode like 3% of the main characters are gonna live

[@samy29987]

It's not so much of characters dying only for the sake of character deaths, I believe its how the scenario and the circumstances are laid out to the audience that has been weak, on top of the characters in question themselves. For example: Rickon dying while running away from Ramsey absolutely made sense, since he was at a spot were it was difficult to escape from. If Rickon would have survived, that would have been bland and predictable. On the other hand, Tormund was grabbed by 4 wights during the battle north beyond the wall. It was completely unbelievable that he got out of that situation, the same could be said for Jon when he couldn't get on the dragon. He was left alone against thousands of wights only to get saved by Benjen at the last possible second. Or Jaime riding head-on on horseback towards Dany to kill her, only to get saved by Bronn at the last minute and they both escaped with incredible odds against them. It made sense for Rickon to die at that particular moment due to the odds against him. Jaime, Tormund, Jon and Bronn (and even Yara and/or Theon on top of the boat) should have died as well in their respective scenes due to the odds against them. All of them escaped alive. You either kill them because you put them in those situations, or you simply change the scenes altogether, since the audience will not believe and will not tolerate deus- ex machina tropes and conveniences since the show was NEVER about that. Y definitely became predictable.

[@micahclark3606]

What if Ramsay’s arrow hit Jon instead of Rickon?

[@JohnnyBcrazy]

Yea. They screwed up in Bravos and the fact they tried to merge aryas storyline with Stonehearts is why she seems so weird. Imo. Great vid

[@gfuffhffjfrfhehfrnfj]

Yes. Lady Stoneheart. She needs to be brought up way more when anyone's talking about that Arya mess. Thank you.

[@LuckeeG]

The Faceless Men don't impersonate others just to kill.... They impersonate others in order to be killed. Little finger didn't die. A faceless man died... the girl he talks to and gives a coin in the hall way while stalked by Arya is a faceless man . That's why the books aren't published yet, they don't want to spoil the last season that costs millions/episode.

[@MrCosmos3]

Florin P No chance, that the “littlefinger used a faceless man to be killed, instead him“ theory is real. We have only 6 episodes left and I don't think, that the series have time to explain us, what littlefingers big plan was. His goal, to earn as much power as possible, really don't fit in the conflict between the Living and the Dead at all. D & D just wanted to complete his storyline before the war between the white walker and the living starts.

[@GarryWilliams555]

I've never really enjoyed this storyline tbh.

[@GarryWilliams555]

I'm only on book 2 atm so maybe I'll like the book version more

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

Garry Williams I am reading *A Feast For Crows* and *A Dance with Dragons* now. I absolutely LOVE Arya's story... It is spooky, fun, and abstract. I don't know if you would like it...but I think you will...

[@GarryWilliams555]

I look forward to it :)

[@VAVORiAL]

No one with a brain would enjoy a dumb plot like that. It's a shame.

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

S.ns. ?

[@dutchmilk]

This is the worse - OP D&D : hold my beers. Introduce season 8.

[@andrewpush4961]

D & D: Well Arya forgot that she could die.

[@NaijaViking]

D&D: hold yet another beer Introduce season 8 episode 5

[@Movie_Games]

I didn't understand this at all. Once she said she isn't no-one.. once she said her name is Aria, should she have lost her Jedi powers?

[@Bluemilk92]

Disagree that it's incompetence with the writers. They say it in interviews, they just want this to be over. I don't think G.R.R.M is a poor judge of character, I think they aren't trying their hardest. They are not creating inspired media, they are making sure HBO gets their money back by giving the audience cliches proven to make money. I think the difference between the first few seasons and the last few are the same as the difference between the Lord of the Rings movies, and The Hobbit movies.

[@jfilms6106]

If they aren't trying their best then that is incompetence.

[@psivil.disobedience]

Bluemilk92 so not incompetence, just gross negligence? I’d say both

[@alanpennie8013]

Bluemilk92 You're absolutely right. They're talented guys but they've burned themselves out, partly by doing everything the difficult way owing to inexperience. Hope they don't do that Confederate show. It sounds like crap and I think they need a rest from television.

[@alanpennie8013]

Psivil disobedience Check out the Dragon Demands channel if you want a really detailed account of what went wrong.

[@alanpennie8013]

KZbin User And the Kindly Man looks super weird. And rather like Bloodraven which is confusing.

[@MundMoriginal]

Even if the knife missed her organs, the water would infected her wound, killing her very painfully. I guess she was born with plot armor. The show wouldn't be so bad, if it was never established that people's actions have consequences, but rather have tv show like plot armor all the time. Nobody would bother, because it would be clear it is a very streamlined adaptation of a book inspired story, instead, they establish rules and throw them out of the window for... submerging expectations? I tell you what submerged my expectations, I expected a good show, and boy did they success tricking my expectations there! You know, I love Supernatural, and it always annoys me to notice some bad writing and weird happenings that seem out of character (especially when you think about the Winchesters being training killing machines for decades, yet they always do stupid mistakes and sometimes struggle when trying to fight off a random human dude), but the show showed right from the beginning that there are very lose rules and death never being final etc. so the show has a very high priority on just entertaining, rather then creating a huge and complex narrative. D&D should write for kids shows, at least there the actors wouldn't understand what crap they are producing.

[@12345673260]

I'm so glad I found this channel! I'm always annoyed by the lack of logic and consistency in any movie/show but the reply I usually get from my friends is - you shouldn't look for logic in a fantasy movie/show. What they are missing is the fact, that you can create a fantasy setting that is so coherent that is allows for suspension of disbelief for those who are watching. Arya's plot-line in the show was terrible.

[@michaelbozas]

It's not that "it's a fantasy show". It's that when the filmmaking is excellent, small nitpicks such as "she shouldn't survive that" shouldn't be what you're thinking. That's annoying for everyone. Why would I be the asshole that points out flaws so small that most people don't even notice. The GoT fanbase tends to look at the smallest nitpicks and hold them as examples for bad writing. I'm obviously not referring to entire subplots.

[@kooleo2]

They were trying to subvert expectations. After getting stabbed many times in the stomach the expected result is to die but after listening to s8ep3 beyond the episode you will learn that the writers aim to "subvert expectations." The stabbing in the stomach scene all makes sense now. (sarcasm if you could not tell)

[@TheFrygar]

Ya the problem with the term "subvert expectations" is that, as you implied, it doesn't tell you anything about the storytelling *quality* of that technique. Like, having the Night King turn into a pink unicorn and start shitting rainbows certainly would have "subverted our expectations", but that would be ridiculous and unsatisfying, to say the least. Well, having Arya jump in and end a 10 year long compelling ancient mystery by poking a character in the chest was a very unsatisfying subversion of expectations as well. And it's not even the fact that Arya killed the NK that bothers most people (though some hate that it wasn't Jon). I would be totally fine with Arya killing the NK if the story surrounding that event was a meaningful, satisfying payoff to the dark mystery that has existed since the very first scene of the show. But it wasn't. The story was apparently, all along, that there are just some evil dudes living in the snow who want to kill everyone with an undead army. That was it. Nothing more. You could've guessed that from the very first season (aside from their creation by the Children of the Forest, which was kind of an useless side note). The NK's story was literally the *opposite* of subverting expectations - it was just a tired fantasy trope, and that's it.

[@franko4483]

Arya simply forgot that she got stabbed

[@ShaunRF]

Arya wandering around Braavos without a care as she was about to leave was so incredibly stupid that I was positive it was all a plan and she was laying a trap for the waif. Even now in season 8 they continue to be very inconsistent with her capabilities. Sometimes she is Jason Bourne x10, sometimes she is a scared little girl.

[@mattypooh8292]

I just don’t understand how Arya became so good with a dagger and needle after training with a staff and poison. I hated, hated Arya in season 7. I thought they established in season 6 that she wasn’t a No One and that she never lost her true self. Then, in season 7, she’s a total psychopath. The Hot Pie scene was so damn cringey...

[@alanpennie8013]

Matty Pooh And hardly any gravy in the pie. Unforgivable.

[@BigBalvin]

Matty Pooh You forget she Trained with Serio Forrell and while traveling with the Hound she was practicing plus Clegane was giving her pointers

[@fckthefearturkey]

Im just annoyed at her plot armor. Shes a tiny girl with a pointy stick, horrible stance and no muscles to speak of and can block briennes strike with a horrible grip. Man that pissed me off.

[@samy29987]

Not only her character behavior changed all the time, but she has plot armor indeed. She should be a psycopath after murdering tons of people and she should have become a faceless assassin, but they keep switching her back and forth between Arya Stark and complete lunatic... And she doesn't seem very troubled by it, so it doesn't make any sense. She is all over the place at the moment and that really sucks, since she was a very good character in earlier seasons.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

That was a stupid fight, Arya would have no chance against Brienne at all. But then I was also mad that they wrote Brienne defeating the Hound, but that was at least believable.

[@CaesiusX]

I have not read the books _yet._ I felt the the actor portraying *_Jaqen H'ghar_* was quite charismatic and liked seeing him again. However, I was not happy with what they did with the character. And I feel all of the problems with *_Arya's_* training could have easily been side-stepped (particularly within the medium of Television) by simply having her enter the _House of Black and White,_ and then keep her off camera for a season or more. When the time came to reintroduce her, I would have her overhear the political situation in Westeros (especially in The North) and have that be the impetus for her leaving. I believe this would have kept any plot holes from emerging, as we would have _no information_ about _how_ she was trained and _in what set of skills._ And I preferred the idea of the face-changing to be more of a glamour and less of a Halloween mask.

[@ililililili9726]

Totally agree.

[@HolyTurtleOfDoom]

I actually really like that.

[@hueydavisx5187]

Omg the halloween masks thing is so right. It feels like at first they were trying to keep it mysterious with travellings and everything and eventually they just told themselves "fuck it, let's just make it scoobidoo style"

[@iyourancestor5103]

the actor for jaqen literally said in a interview what he thought "so the girl becomes _no one_ " means and he said *hurr durr idk it's so confusing lol*

[@BrandonCuringtonOfficial]

I used to like Arya so much. Now she’s a Mary Sue. Just like Captain Marvel and Rey.

[@martinkratochvil8488]

Looking back, I feel like we all had hopes and dreams about this show and it just jumped into the s**t water itself. Syrio coming back in the Season 8? Oh sweet summer child... the crap we get now...

[@hmark03]

I love the show don't @ me.

[@blitzknight3499]

@@hmark03 nobody asked you, don't @ me

[@hmark03]

@@blitzknight3499 Same goes for you bud.

[@blitzknight3499]

@@hmark03 comeback of the year*

[@hmark03]

@@blitzknight3499 I don't waste energy on people like you. If I wanted to make a good comeback, you would have went Jorah Mormont and gone into exile.

[@dirtydinner2432]

I’ll never forgive D&D for leaving out the most shocking moment of the entire series. The revival of Catelyn Stark. Her character is vital to Jaimes and Briennes storylines but they left her out regardless.

[@bikkersdelight7445]

Because the actress after Catlyn death went to play another role in another series.

[@erod97]

DirtyDinner24 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@GorramT]

No, I’m glad they left it out. The lady stoneheart plotline was beyond stupid

[@kingskull619]

@@GorramT agree unnecessary and stupid

[@rmnxg3538]

@@kingskull619 If the plot is still not over we can't say it was unnecessary.

[@NoElusionz]

Yup. The writers suck. I wonder why they allow this crap to be filmed

[@frederickhofmann843]

its still a pretty good series tho

[@henrique-3d]

S5 and S6 sucked bc of Dorne + Arya

[@arhamsaa]

@@frederickhofmann843 naah You know the Disney Princess stories, how fucking dumb they are? But many(like so many) dumbshits still like them. That's what this show has become, they are fascinated by CG Dragons, Fireproof Disney Princess and her Hot Partner and how the save the world. The show was never about two invicible Mary Sues who are only important ones and a villain, who is a villain for no fucking reason at all. The show was meant to be so realistic that no matter how important the character is they will die at points nobody can predict. But now both the Mary Sues have become invincible, they don't die no matter what. Everytime some Dues Ex Machina has to happen when Jon or Daenerys is in trouble. I would rate first four seasons 9/10 And S05-6 5/10 S07 3/10 Now music & VFx are the only things that amazes me rest is shit as hell. Which is sad.

[@blitzknight3499]

@Eduard BlaBla and he could. HELL anybody with half a brain could write a better plot than those hacks at this point

[@monsouranda2822]

The show quality really went all downhill after season 4. Its basically a mindless entertainment like Grace Anatomy or some shit.

[@Anacronian]

Wait.. there's a show called "some shit"??.. gotta admit I kind'a wanna see that! :p

[@backstabbingscumbag6657]

I’d say it actually went downhill in season 2 with qarth, talisa, and changing characters personalities. It didn’t get really bad though until the end of season four when they cut tysha.

[@natruto]

my opinion? the show was way too convoluted in the early seasons.. it was frustrating and a chore to keep watching it.. if it wasnt already so popular i wouldn't have cared to follow through..... yes.. i think George got carried away on his story.. obviously.. he can't even finish it... way too many characters.. some too similar to others.. some are important, some arent.. some seem like they are but aren't...the story was just all over the place.. nothing but gratuitous sex and violence... i think only fans of the books would be already immersed in such a story from the start... but a new comer? how are they supposed to know who these people are and why all this stuff is so important??? its impossible.. its just a soap opera in a medieval setting.. and the acting was way worse early on... but the actors and characters have only improved.. and i actually appreciate a coherent plot.. like each season the pieces have fallen into place better and things are tying together in a rewarding way. if they hadn't made those sorts of changes after season 4 they would have an overly complicated story to try and finish and i think it would have totally shit the bed... but the fact that the show has only grown in popularity is proof that people are enjoying the story... seems like only the overly critical OG booknerds can't hang. which is frankly your problem... what did you expect?? for both the books and shows to be identical??? totally different mediums... just like Stephen King not liking Kubricks the Shining didn't change the fact that its one of the top films of all time. just get over it. an author shouldn't tell a director how to make a movie.. just like a director shouldn't tell an author how to write.

[@alanpennie8013]

Nathaniel Manzi Yes. I think D&D should kind of get a pass because the series was very difficult to adapt for television and it's impressive the early seasons were as good as they were.

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

Alan Pennie True

[@lilylollielegs34]

I’m so disappointed with the entire show now. Rather than focussing on the characters and keeping them consistent they focus of creating “shocking’ moments... that have been done a thousand times before. Arya’s demise has particularly saddened me as she has always been one of my favorite characters and storylines in the book.

[@songbird7450]

Good thing the books are independent :D

[@StubenhockerElite]

This was the best episode of Xena:Warrior princess

[@cleanerben9636]

Lmao

[@cubablue602]

I used to love Arya. The scenes with the Hound were gold. I now find her irritating and uninteresting since the move to Braavos. UNINTERESTING! Speaks volumes as to how they’ve ruined her and misused such a fine young actress.

[@jeffreybrege4576]

Agreed she has become over powered fan service at this point...

[@hmark03]

Disagreed. I think she's great.

[@gcg8187]

Yeah she got boring for me tok

[@MetallicAddict15]

Game of Thrones went downhill so fast after season 4 it's just saddening.

[@Alhalmeya]

Stevean2 ikr everyone says it ducks after season 4. it doesn’t lol people just are stupid

[@withnail-and-i]

@Stevean2 From season 1 to 4 I was often surprised at what happened, from season 5 it became 'A character needs to go from x place where he met character B to meet character C in y place, who happens to know character D and is thus needed to progress the plot". Feels like cardboard version of the rich characters seen earlier. It really shows when they don't have GRAM material left. It should have been 11 full seasons with time to care about the new characters do it justice.

[@withnail-and-i]

@Stevean2 Except here there's a plethora of compelling material which wasn't given as much care as the first building seasons because of the level of the writers. I'm talking about having season 5 and 6 stretched out in 4 seasons and then 7 and 8 two seasons as planned with less rushing.

[@MrHanderson91]

@@Alhalmeya maybe you are just stupid.

[@davidevens2954]

And let's not forget that the shower of shit that was seasons 6&7 was rewarded with the best ratings in the show's history! If you're hoping that it might improve for season 8, remember that: they're setting ratings records. As far as the showrunners are concerned, their lazy-ass storytelling is working *better* than GRRM's plots.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

David Evens that's indeed the point. The internet "hate", basically this entire comment section, this is a very loud minority. The show is braking records, fan fiction/service sells, lol look at the marvel movies. Hell, look at fucking fifty shades of gray, a fan fiction that sold more books than Dostoievski. So, the "culprit" is the own public, the massification. And this will never be fixed or healed, people just have to deal with it.

[@RRRRRRRRR33]

Considering this is a TV series, the cinematography is indeed amazing. But that alone justifies bad writing? Maybe, if the hype was not so exaggerated. And I don't blame the fans to be hyped, the first 4 seasons are excellent. The book changes/adaptations (like the merge of characters, extra scenes like Arya and Tywin, etc), the show was doing a great adaptation. Then shit happened, lol Ever since the farewell scene between Tyrion and Jaime at the end of season 4, the show made that scene more lighthearted, saving face for Jaime.. In the books, things got ugly between these 2. At that moment I noticed the show was protecting Jaime for the sake of fan service. I had my doubts and my expectations lowered, luckily. Because season 5 was just as boring as the book equivalent, the end destroyed Stannis as a character, Davos went to a crazy place, no Rickon quest, etc.. Then Season 6 and 7 with tons of fan service and bad writing. I was lucky to not be hyped anymore. Imagine people who are reading this ever since the 90's, imagine their discontent.. They are the only ones who have a legit reason to be upset.

[@ohyeahyeah4213]

The biggest mary sue in GOT

[@Juventinos]

1. Circular plot to give the Knight King a dragon so he could melt the wall. 2. Littlefinger plot line. (the guy that started everything and knew everything..was just a moron on the show) 3. Dorne. JESUS what a shitshow 4. Arya Plot line. we can go on and on...

[@mistermarch533]

Would have been better if this whole story line happened of screen and we just see Arya when she comes back from bravos as a mysterious assassin

[@veloce5491]

it wouldnt have felt earned if it happened like that.

[@Bebe-ge2te]

Veloce we still saw all that shit in Bravos and it still doesn’t feel earned. She defeated her teacher with deadly stab wounds, because “she was blind and had in dark training”. You forget the teacher has been through that training and is 100x more skilled. They jump a few episodes and now she’s a “cringey badass”. Makes no sense.

[@AhmedGhazwan]

The thing that hurts and annoys me the most is that Arya was my favorite character, and the build up to this storyline in the season 4 finale was so intriguing and full of potential ... And this is what we get for seasons 5 and 6? This was the best they can come up with for a story about a lost and broken girl that joins a secret mysterious cult of face changing assassins? I don't like to deal in absolutes, but perhaps anything other than what they did could've been better!

[@arnekrug939]

Ahmed Ghazwan I really liked Arya arround the time she was in Harrenhal and the time before. The whole atmosphere of the books but also the series was amazing.

[@FILIPBG100]

Ahmed Ghazwan Only a sith deals in absolutes

[@AhmedGhazwan]

That's why I said perhaps later! ;)

[@emilytchuu9876]

I hated her right from the beginning. She's such a cliché rebel girl

[@The80sWolf_]

I really agree, it makes no sense and it is a very lazy screenwriting. The series died with season 5 for me, And how about the whole Dorne storyline?

[@alanpennie8013]

The 80's Wolf Don't mention the Former.

[@alanpennie8013]

Doh. Dorne.

[@molliethomas2585]

😭😭😭😭Why God? Why did you let the Dornish plot get fucked over so bad?

[@The80sWolf_]

How come not more actors speak up about things like this? Do they not care about the product they are in?

[@alanpennie8013]

The 80's Wolf Well actors don't like to get a reputation for being difficult so no one will hire them. That said it would be cool if Indira Varma let us know what she thought of the Dorne nonsense.

[@juve96]

D&D are hacks and pretty much clueless without GRRM. The shows quality in writing dropped significantly after season 4.

[@experienceself6970]

Tywins death is the end

[@benjaminstevens3788]

In the books Arya stabs a boy in the gut and the Hound (correctly) tells her she’s already killed him while he lies there begging for mercy. Surviving abdominal wounds is a relatively recent thing. You were literally more likely to survive bubonic plague.

[@DaveMire]

Why not just have Arya kill Cersi now.

[@spec0117]

we can joke about it all we want but deep down we all know thats what they'll end up doing...

[@number0017]

She could of kill cersi on her way to winterfell. I guess bad weather lol.

[@josephaldi4618]

Sorry boys rocks got the best of Cersei.

[@brenoobr]

That would make sense at least

[@Transformers217]

And why can’t Gilly’s baby age at all. Even ignoring everything else, this is the most idiotic part of the entire show.

[@bore-osofmyr2539]

Brian Jensen is time different in Westeros? Like in Narnia? 🤔

[@Transformers217]

Bore-os Of Myr - All 7 seasons are suppose to take place over the span of 4 or 5 years. So the baby should be two or three years old by now and should look it.

[@alanpennie8013]

Bore-os Of Myr That must be it. Or else Sam is magic.

[@Kunumbah1]

That baby is the prince that was promised.

[@worsethanjoerogan8061]

Yeah but then you have to cast a two year old in a minor role? I don't see that being worth it.

[@Alchemist1330]

Quinn please make a video about Battle of the Bastard! It is one if the best directed episodes, but the writing is absolute shit. I'm tired of people thinking it's great when it's so stupid.

[@alanpennie8013]

Alchemist1330 Seconded. It's an amazing combination of greatness and stupidity.

[@Alchemist1330]

Alan Pennie Miguel sapochnik is a genius and was given a generic script and he directed the he'll out of it. But the underlying story telling is horrible.

[@piscis210]

Yesss that would be great. The visuals were amazing but I always felt like something was missing from that episode

[@adrianburchell8075]

even i shouted out for the Wildlings to hide behind those great big shields, the Boltons couldnt kill them there! and why couldnt Jon have given the Wildlings shields. and Wun Wun, he could have used a pulled up tree as a weapon! i read/listened to how the director was stage managed to follow the scripted battle and then ran out of time and the Umber doublecross of the Boltons couldnt be filmed so they stayed traitors and died....

[@Alchemist1330]

Adrian Burchell ya. D&D gave sapochnik 28 days to film what he told them would take 45 days. They didn't listen so the ran out of time and Miguel had to cut the umbers turning on the Boltons, and they got rained in so the shot of Jon comming out of the mud and the crowd was filmed off the cuff because sapochnik has two days to wrap up everything an they were rained out. Sapochnik is a God and D&D are idiots for giving him shit to work with and no time. That's why he didn't direct any episode during season 7 because he hated working for D&D. However HBO got him back for season 8 by giving him a huge paycheck.

[@TheStapleGunKid]

Ned: Gets stabbed in the leg once and is crippled for life Arya: Gets stabbed multiple times in the belly and then goes swimming in sewer water with open wounds and is totally fine Makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.

[@robrick9361]

The description of Arya getting a face fused to hers was terrifying in the books. I would have loved to see it in live action, instead we got some magic veil BS.

[@shubhragautam5955]

The show died when arya killed the night king. Then it turned into a joke when Danny went mad. Lastly it became hell and utterly devoid of logic when sansa and bran were coronated.

[@McNab1986]

Got to have a strong female character though, even if it makes absolutely no sense and ruins the character

[@XxLew]

Welcome to the woke generation

[@number0017]

I don't mind a strong woman but there's has to be a limit like you said. No different from jon snow able to survive anything. I think he can survive a hurricane or a nucler bomb and be okay.

[@winstonvontoast6163]

The Faceless Men give up their identity, their personality and they have to literally become no one. That also means giving up their personal wants, needs and their greed. The Faceless Men are not about power, lands or titles. The show ruined the Faceless Men, because the implications and the meaning of drinking from the fountatin and becoming a Faceless Man was distorted and completely changed in the show. The show ruined the Faceless Men, because Arya was a popular character and the show-runners just wanted a bunch of fanservice. D&D said that they choose Arya to kill the Night King three seasons ago, which is when they ran out of source material. D&D are talentless hacks. All they know how to do is girl-power feminism Mary-Sue plot-driven and not good story-driven storytelling. As soon as they got the offer to do just that at Disney Star Wars, they JUMPED at it as fucking fast as they could. D&D are talentless hacks that should be hung, drawn and quartered for their treatment of GoT. I am so sick and tired of Hollywood and other twats over-compensating on feminism and creating Mary Sue girl-power feminist female characters that are just blander than a cardboard box. Just because you have a strong female character does not make that character interesting or make the show good.

[@Kaastengels]

Hhhh typical hollywood writers don't know shit about feminism and wrote their version of strong women™ characters as the feminist paragon.

[@StudM01]

@badfshn They don't when they're fake-ass tokens. You KNOW what his point is douche, we shouldn't have to spell it out for you. RadFem wish fulfillment fanfiction makes for bad TV. You may now go back to drooling over the failed Ghostbusters remake.

[@Roberta_Trevino]

I may not like Arya anymore, but killing the Freys felt good to watch

[@kevinnolan9158]

every fan will see how bad the writing has gotten when D&D next show on HBO comes out

[@MrJH101]

It’s rumored they’re actually going to be doing a series involving Star Wars next, possibly about The Old Republic. I don’t know how to feel about that at the moment.

[@natruto]

Star Wars is already dead at this point, don't worry yourself.

[@MrJH101]

Nathaniel Manzi I won’t disagree with you there, but is it really right to desecrate a corpse either?

[@kevinnolan9158]

i thought they were doint that show "Confederate" for HBO. i may just be outta the loop though

[@alanpennie8013]

kevin nolan They'd probably prefer Star Wars. They'll get producer credits on any GOT prequel without having to do any more actual work on TV which will be pretty sweet for the.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

I told this to friends that the quality of the show has dropped the moment Tweedel Dee and Tweedle Dum ran out of book Materials But they keep denying it and giving me looks as if Im crazy. Now fast forward and what do we have now? I rest my case hahaha

[@hmark03]

The show is still amazing IMO. Entertainment is subjective dude. No wonder your friends say you are weird.

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@hmark03 sure its amazing if you are into a show that stops making sense

[@hmark03]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice How come half the world loves it then?

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

@@hmark03 you said it yourself entertainment can be subjective. But we can all agree to disagree that the show has gone downhill. In my end the reason why i dont like it is how things stopped making sense, the characters started acting dumb and out of character, some of the plots where not ended properly. I actually did not say anything negative when they cut out the dornish plot, the Ironborne, how Arya was able to walk away from the faceless men, how the Martels just went out like that and how Little Finger was executed. I figure they need to end the show since its becoming too expensive but just because they need to end it, they should not lower the quality to the point the show no longer comes out as the same show George R Martin envisioned. Im criticizing those two because they are incompetent but if you feel personally attacked because I made a criticism out of the show. Thats on you

[@hmark03]

@@bestthingsinceslicedrice I don't feel personally attacked. I just hate how as soon as I start liking something I see someone pointing out all its mistakes. Maybe you are right. Maybe it has gone downhill, but I preferred to enjoy fool's paradise a little longer. You know how you used to like all these stupid simple, not-at-all-intuitive videogames when you were young and then see how simple and bland they were when you become older? I just want something to cling onto while dealing with college goddamnit.

[@leejk3926]

Glad it wasn't just me being more cynical with nostalgia goggles when I thought a lot of the dialogue from Arya was cringy to hear in season 7

[@kainatali1875]

Couldn't agree with you more. Bravo

[@nickrosetti9224]

Colt Classics damnit you beat me too it! LOL

[@flamefusion8963]

Colt Classics I was thinking that too Lol

[@ash1rose]

They have no concept or understanding of the subtleties and nuances GRRM took so much time and effort to put in.

[@MrJH101]

I agree, but to be fair as well, they also don’t have nearly as much time as he does. He spends _a lot_ of time redrafting each sentence, paragraph, and chapter before he finds it acceptable to show to his editor. And then he realizes he made some inconsistencies halfway through a book and that he could’ve done something better, so he erases a quarter of the book. He then states that he repeats this process several times because he’s just never truly satisfied with it. I’m not saying this completely excuses the show writers’ bad writing, but they certainly don’t have as much time to do what GRRM gets to do.

[@NawiTheCore]

5:50 Yeap. They're pretty good at setting your expectations high and never delivering. The did the same with the Night King.

[@peterbarlow5709]

Arya dying here would’ve actually been tonally consistent with Game of Thrones. The starks are too honourable for their own good. Ned chose honour over sense, and paid the price. Rob chose love over duty, and paid the price. Jon Snow chose Morality over tradition, and paid the price. If Arya chose morality over orders, her death would’ve made a lot of sense. But nah she had her plot armour on so it’s all good.

[@matsh5633]

Not as bad as Dorne. Only buthcerd 1 character (Arya), while the Dorne plot Butcherd a whole kingdom.

[@braahshaer4334]

These rants are what I'm living for

[@juanmaldonado4193]

Season 7: Hold my beer Season 8: No, YOU hold my beer

[@gaiashadowasmr6380]

I would say this plot line is second is the worst category next to the Arya Sansa Little Finger story line. That was the worst! A highly trained faceless man being duped by LF. Syrio wasted his breath teaching Arya to "see" in that story line. For this one though re: the faces. I have had a theory for a while that once you start training for the faceless men they can use each others faces on demand with out being dead and having their faces cut off. Only really because of what the show does with Jaquen and Aryas face being used. If that is true at all that part can make sense in the show. I think the blind part was she reverted to her Syrio training more than anything with water dancing to defeat the waif. The parts that get me is that she was still in the early stages of training was her training completed by killing the waif? Cus that makes little sense. How did she go from this wounded kid to a fully trained faceless man. Maybe Arya is just a super quick study a few lessons with the 1st sword of Bravos and a few weeks washing a few dead people is all it takes. Easy peasy sign me up LOL

[@gaiashadowasmr6380]

PS If stabbed in the gut without any major arteries or organ ruptures it is very survivable. But that just makes the waif a super fast runner only and an ineffective faceless man. Maybe Jon could have used the waif to run back to the wall for help she would have beat Gendry in a foot race.

[@bore-osofmyr2539]

Gaias Shadow the point you make about Arya using her water dancing training to beat the waif makes sense. However, they don’t really show the fight. So it’s kind of lazy if the showrunners just expect the audience to come to that conclusion.

[@gaiashadowasmr6380]

Agreed Bor-os I think there was a lot of lazy when it came to this. They should have focused on more important points and cut out the fluff stuff. I guess if we find any silver lining it is since we see nothing of her skills, it made the scene where we see Arya train with Brianne cooler because thats the 1st time we get to see her true skill set on display.

[@BigBalvin]

Gaias Shadow She beat the waif blind and Cut out the light. Im confused on why your confused on how Arya won

[@gaiashadowasmr6380]

Extra Medium read it again there was no confusion on how she won she used her water dancing skills. The confusing part was is that how she was to complete training. They were both trained with blind folds so in order to win she would have had to use a different skill set. I think you were confused as to my point. I hope you have some clarity now.

[@jackw.3978]

She can't be wounded, because she is a faceless "girl". She can't even die, because she is no one.

[@johncasas5908]

Arya has now killed the Frey’s, revenged the Red Wedding, Revenged Ned by killing Little Finger, our dueled Brienne, and now killed the Night King!

[@RainBird88x]

Maybe the shit water on planetos has healing properties, cause magic or something?

[@sophiawilson8696]

LOL

[@LL-xp2jb]

The water in the Healing Well in the HoB&W does, and she took a drink after bringing the Waif' face back. That's why she survived.

[@luxeternity]

What happen when grrm didn't finish his book lol ..what the hell is he doing nowadays

[@KingOfSciliy]

conehead larry writing other books as well

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

conehead larry Writing

[@charlestruppi7793]

“What is the point of all this”. At the end of season 8 you can literally say that about every single plot line and character arc.

[@mikulasnevidal5032]

well, since Arya is confirmed that she is the one most alike Jon Snow from all the Stark siblings, she has probably strong plotarmor as well

[@spencechan]

On the subject of Arya, (if you haven't already) please cover the scene where Arya kills the tickler vs how it played out in the show. The contrast in depth between the two interpretations is astounding

[@darkphoenix2]

100% truth. Just flat out bad writing, all the way.

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

the best part of this storyline was when it "ended"

[@Storming360]

She gets crushed 10time and burnt by a dragon and survives. Plot shield is strong with that one.

[@JonathanXLindqviust]

It's common knowledge in combat- and ambulance-truma treatment that if you don't get to operation within 10 minutes of getting shot or stabbed in the stomach you're pretty much entirely fucked. First of all the bacteria in the intestines will simply just spread out to much in your bloodstream and you'll die within a few hours from the bloodposioning. Secondly there's a shitload of organs that basically just fuck you up if you hit them, such as the liver which is impossible to stop from bleeding unless you have access to singing-tools. It's just fucking stupid how it all played out.

[@stefanpuschel3958]

finally someone says it out loud, my friends always get mad when I say something about all those inconsistencies and stupid things they do in the show and I haven´t even read the books and can tell that it´s utter bullshit what they are producing there. So thank you a lot!