QUITTING GMAIL - alternatives for email, calendar, contacts

[@macgyver5108]

"Gmail is a GREAT service!" Turns out all these years I was unaware what 'service' meant. But today, I overheard two farmers talking and one of them said he had hired a bull to 'service 'a few cows. BAM!!! It all came into focus...

[@kcetebe8012]

Hahahahahahaha

[@speaklifegardenhomesteadpe8783]

So true...... 😳

[@carlabenzoni8178]

One nice way to say he hired something and wound up getting screwed over....

[@nc3826]

everything on the internet, not just gmail is a "service".... so everything on the internet services you oneway or another.... enjoy spreading the Bull S***** :)

[@charlese2833]

💡

[@commerce-usa]

Gmail is a n amazing email service if you don't mind the mailman opening your mail and selling what they find to interested parties.

[@codyofathens3397]

Honestly, we need legislation to start treating email like mail.

[@surajkpanigrahi]

@@codyofathens3397 but again then we will have to pay for each e-mail like we pay for each mail... Even though I don't mind paying some bucks for such a service if it is fully trustworthy, there are people who'd not want to pay.

[@codyofathens3397]

@@surajkpanigrahi Thing is, you wouldn't need to, per se. Firstly, categorizing internet connection as a right, and transitioning it to a public utility would go a long way. Secondly, there are ways of offering free services and making a profit that don't include violating the user's privacy. You can have ads, they're just less snoopy. Also, it's worth noting, I'm coming at this from an American point of view. We don't really pay for our mail. A few cents for a stamp on outgoing, incoming is free. I don't know if that's the system elsewhere in the world. Even if that system was replicated with email, that's fairly affordable for most, and if categorized as a right and treated as a public utility, it could be paid for through an annual tax instead of on each actual email sent, which would solve the problem for those unable to afford it.

[@smith4591]

Company like Google doesn't intersting about the content in your email. So it's not like they wanted to read your private emails. They are only interested in personal information attached to your email. (not the attachments)

[@luisfvperes]

more like the postal service not the mailman but yes

[@jasonanthony166]

After the recent antics of Google, Amazon and Apple I'm looking for alternatives to big tech. Soon I'll be saying goodbye to my Google account!

[@adamhelmke1295]

⁰

[@TimeWisely]

you'll lose your entire KZbin account btw

[@mrb9238]

Apple? Besides selling overpriced hardware they havent done anything evil, at least compared to google/facebook/microsoft

[@feetlunatic5134]

@@mrb9238 selling 1000 dollar mediocre laptops is nothing compared to hiding ‘I have permission to go into your computer and take files and watch you on your webcam without turning the light on’ in your tos

[@user-xl5kd6il6c]

@@feetlunatic5134 As if Apple's ToS is any different. Their new privacy rules are clear that they want to own your data for advertisement purposes, nothing else. Just like google is trying to do with FLOCs

[@eduardnebelthau9980]

i like that kind of humor: trying to get rid of google services and uploading this to youtube 😜. brilliant. thx

[@EventHorizon_Alex]

Playing with fire here lol

[@Yash9278]

And google doesn't even mind. 😂😂😂

[@DSX1]

So what, upload how to quit KZbin on alternative sites? xD. If he doesn’t upload it here no one will watch. It’s not hypocrisy in this case.

[@tim-taylor]

Dont forget to take all the nice money from Google 😂😂😂

[@gradientO]

He said he's quitting Gmail, not Google

[@BluesGuitarCentral]

Google, “bringing all the world’s information together....to then sell it and engage in behavior modification through advertising.”

[@GabrielAlejandroZorrilla]

Google doesn't sell it, it uses it to serve you with better ads.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

By selling it to other companies. Sure, they only sell access to that data, but that’s still a sale.

[@gmw3083]

I get about one in 20 ads that's even remotely relevant. Mostly a bunch of game ads. The only game I'm playing is Life.

[@carnivorecaveman]

@@TheLinuxEXP I switched from Gmail to Protonmail some months ago, but not primarily because GMail uses my data (although it is also true) but rather because Gmail step-by-step became too and unnecessarily complex, unfathomable difficult, and the GUI changed too frequently. It is extra stress, in spite of that I am not a "greenhorn" as far as the computertechnology are concerned, because I also use Linux (since the last 20 years approximately), and my distro is the LFS... So I am not beginner at all, but my opinion is that in case of I need a bicycle, then I do not like if Google gives me a spaceship (actually, a Deathstar...) in place of my bicycle... That is, if I need only a simple email services, then I do not need such a too complex whatyamacallit than gmail, calendar and numerous other things too... And I got a sad experience, too. I had an other gmail account, too, from the "ancient times". I wanted to login there, my last login was years long before. I knew my password of course. But gmail wrote me it checks my gadget (???!!!) and before I used of course a totally other computer (naturally, years later I have of course a new laptop!), it asked me to other verification by the phone. But I had no more that phone and old phone number. So I lost everything which was on that gmail account... Damned gmail! My expectation, if I know my password then I can login, without any extra idiocies! If I use weak password or I forget it, then it must be my private problem. My password is my responsibility, that's okay. If I know this, I have RIGHT to login! If I forget it, then not, and then I was the stupid one, that is also okay. But how it is possible that I KNEW my password, and I even so cannot login?! I do not like this "fatherly manner" by the gmail, that it supposes it knows everything always better than me, and it will decide what will the best for me! (Sorry for the bad English, but I hope it was understandable).

[@killertigergaming6762]

@@GabrielAlejandroZorrilla yes they sell your info it's pretty obvious

[@joeskis]

I just want to move away from big tech because I have too much of them in my life. So before I switch to something I gotta make sure they aren't ultimately owned by amazon or apple or google or...

[@smoothie9931]

have you also noticed that when you move away from big tech, everything feels somehow nicer? I've started moving away from things like google/chrome/microsoft and it feels calmer

[@apothic0n]

@Alien West that in particular has lots of compatibility issues sadly since most software doesn’t bother supporting minor platforms.

[@blackberry8692]

@@apothic0n It depends on the user requirements I guess. @Alien West you can Manjaro Linux in a Virtual Machine. And Linux alone is not the choice, there's FreeBSD, OpenBSD...etc.

[@redpillsatori3020]

@@blackberry8692 ..I want to get into making apps with flutter and dart but unfortunately that’s owned by Google as well 😥

[@KoDeMondo]

Or something they will not put their (dirty) hands on it!

[@notsure7874]

I traded gmail for Zoho many many years ago. When I opened my business I was looking for accounting software, and found Zoho One, which gives me a ton of things that might not QUITE be perfect, but they're really good, and a LOT less expensive than getting "the best" of everything. I like the mail MUCH better than gmail, and the rest of the products are pretty good.

[@FriedEgg101]

I quit gmail a couple of years ago, I use ProtonMail. My email needs are very simple, I just don't want them screened.

[@REDACT3D]

you have a google account if you are commenting here ... so..

[@FriedEgg101]

@@REDACT3D gmail account can be closed independently from google account. The point is I don't mind google knowing my youtube habits, but I don't want their bots reading my email.

[@genkiferal7178]

@@FriedEgg101 that is news to me and I will look into that. thanks for the tip.

[@ianboard3555]

@@FriedEgg101 I kindof freaked out when I first discovered it years ago. I got an email from a travel agency confirming a flight that automatically appeared on my calendar. I then got targeted ads for things mentioned in the email. Call me old fashioned, but this is creepy and I don't like it.

[@jtc1947]

@@ianboard3555 My email stuff is very simple. I do emails and do not use a calendar or other complicated things. PEACE

[@markarca6360]

I am currently juggling 3 email accounts: my personal GMail account, and my personal and work ProtonMail accounts. I will ditch GMail soon!

[@macgyver5108]

Only '3'? LOL I've got 7 that I use actively and a few others I use for "garbage" subscriptions?!

[@bitcoin4624]

@@macgyver5108 try 11 mate. fkn free trials got me fkd up

[@mylodge312]

It will be a process but we have to get over FAKEBOOK, TWITTER AND ANYTHING GOOGLE. This got ALL WEIRD AND RIDICULOUS! THE TRIO ALL FOLLOWED A BAIT AND SWITCH, NOW TELLING US WHAT WE CAN SAY! Piss Off!

[@DSX1]

@@mylodge312 the only reason we are forced to use their services is because people (parents, friends,) refuse to switch over because “google is better, idc about information being sold lmao”. I’m kinda stuck and a lot of people i know too. Pretty sad in my case but I’m as private as I can get.

[@notsure7874]

Keep it for a spam trap

[@awuma]

I ran my own SMTP servers in my office or at home for over twenty years. I gave up when spam suppression became too much work in the mid-2000's. The other thing you need to know is whether your ISP allows it and lets the appropriate ports through (meaning you may need to be able to configure your router, and/or have a commercial rather than residential account, since residential accounts assume, or used to assume, that the traffic will be overwhelmingly incoming). Of course DHCP makes the job more complicated ... you may need a static IP number (I don't know how one can easily get around changing IP's these days). The nice aspect of having your own server is that your e-mail is not stored anywhere else.

[@pascalmeunier5646]

Nice video. On my side, I use infomaniak, which is a Swiss company. They provide a decent webmail client, but I use it mainly through third parties clients. Recently they added a calendar feature that I need to look at. What I like with them, apart from being located in a country that respects privacy, is that they aim to simplify the way to setup email clients.

[@wojciechjeziorowski7616]

Self hosting and nextcloud for calendar, contacts and tasks.

[@BuriTechVids]

Yeah but email server is service that I really don't want to maintain by myself. There's a lot of configuration and advanced technologies that make mail server very hard to make it secure and configured in the right way.

[@TheOPtmal]

@@BuriTechVids Nope, for mail hosting just use mailu, and Nextcloud comes with an email client. If you dont want to set up Nextcloud, just set up Neutron which just uses the ProtonMail UI with whatever server you have.

[@wirelesskiller8075]

So far the series is really amazing

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks a lot :)

[@gamegamesoumic]

Once I used to think about switching to one of these. But later, it came to my mind that most of my friends , companies etc use gmail. So Google can technically read my emails from their inbox anyway. I think this makes switching providers pointless. Anyway, it's good to see this nice video

[@nandaveerum4399]

Atleast i can keep my calendar data safe on tutamail. And its not just about compromising, we should support others and keep the competition going in terms of prices and privacy which is good for a consumer.

[@hexa3389]

If you don't switch then your friends and colleagues aren't gonna switch because, after all, Google can track their emails from your inbox anyway.

[@nitinkumar29]

@Philip Marc Google was funded by 3 letter agencies, it is a fact. I advise Rob Bruxman channel for healthy advice on online privacy.

[@eeaotly]

@Philip Marc I got that message too. It was only for Americans. All the other users from the planet can't even get that 1dollar.

[@Chedring]

That really should be a reason to ditch google than stay. The more people who do, the better off we all will be. Plus, its unprofessional for a company to use gmail suite anyway.

[@joelstein4657]

I've been using protonmail for a month or so now and I am really impressed with it. I ever just signed up for the 4.00 a month version because I really believe in companies that are trying to do good thing. I also have a zoho account that has been my go-to account for a few years now. Very good and complete provider. I highly recommend both.

[@kapipawa9683]

Thanks for making these kinds of videos, friend! really helping me out in choosing my own alternatives without reading and reading and reading and testing and testing.

[@CM_Burns]

proton mail is now piloting a cloud storage service

[@Bill-v650]

and apparently a calendar in beta for paid tiers...

[@CEKROM]

KZbin recommends me this video =D

[@ramahonlineschool]

They do have a sense of humor...

[@dankulcs]

I've been using Zoho for over a year now. I really like and have no complaints. I have the free tier with my custom domain name.

[@yadaKiKhula]

Zohomail is great for individual users as well. Best are it’s keyboard shortcuts. Zoho also provides alternatives to google drive and google docs sheets etc. I’ve completely moved from google to Zohomail.

[@tonyatpags]

This service looks great!

[@kebman]

"As private as possible" Look, it's a picture of my neighbour naked! Haha, he thought his pictures were safe if he sent them over e-mail lol!

[@rste1212]

Apparently, end of 2019 a calendar will be added to Protonmail

[@kanzosurasshu4007]

added

[@jcsmatta]

@Alberto Robles Gómez In Tutanota. ;)

[@jtc1947]

@ R Ste....My email needs are very simple so I do NOT need or use a calendar.

[@GaryCameron780]

I've been using Proton Mail for a few years now with a custom domain and am happy.

[@Patricia-kk8tr]

I looked at Proton mail security, and due to encryption no one could receive mail from me unless they also had similar set up. Glad to hear about Zoho. I wanted to swap WA with Signal, but no one in my family wanted to change. There are some very difficult issues to resolve, and maybe picking up the phone might be an accessible alternative.

[@AmielCetraro]

Yeah I use Zoho too, speacially because they allow you to add custom domain to your mail for free.

[@karltraveldude7817]

I can handle the sales side , but message control and political power is unacceptable ! I have one legal vote and that is all , I do not have the billions to influence the direction of our country . They voided my small vote with overwhelming power . Sad to see what they have become . Pray for peace and the future of our country . I. T . please respect the people .

[@DiegoLinde]

Tutamail also deserves a mention in a list like this. Open-source and secure email alternative

[@mrspeigle1]

No such thing as secure e-mail.

[@Rab_1967]

@@mrspeigle1 Yes there is. Ask Hilary Clinton.

[@FIRAGA]

Oh, nice video! Gmail is the last Google service I use now (not including KZbin). I might look into one of these email services! :)

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks :) they are worth a try

[@anunayy]

or if you want make your own Email Server and use POP3 or IMAP to connect.

[@stephaniejuliedymango7503]

if you use facebook, google also owns that too and off youtube

[@bc454irocz89]

Try newpipe for youtube

[@Amal-kp8qb]

I've moved out of Gmail as well, recently. I now have a custom domain and host my email on Zoho. I thought of self hosting it, but hosting on Zoho costs less than a dollar a month in India which is cheaper than renting a VPS. I also get a calendar, a mobile app etc. So it was a no-brainer for me. I don't care about their interface or ui since I use Thunderbird as my email client.

[@harmonicresonanceproject]

Nice one chap - I was meaning to change for sooo long . . . and now I have a nice protonmail setup . . .thanks!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks for watching :)

[@splitpierre]

Well, I just went ahead, learned a bit around dovecot and postfix, and since i run my own hosting service, i've just setup my own mailing service as well. x) But Yeah. Proton and Zoho are my favorite. I've been recommending Zoho to most of my clients, since it can upgrade to business and it is a pretty decent service.

[@meatbyproducts]

I use ZOHO for my Nonprofit. I really like it and have started to move all my daily Google work to ZOHO. Now I pay for the service, but it is good stuff.

[@liberty3924]

I heard Zoho is not as privacy centric.

[@meatbyproducts]

@@liberty3924 not according to them. I get zero spam in my ZOHO accounts so I don't think they are selling my info or anything like that

[@bubba99009]

The thing that sucked me into gmail in the first place was their awesome spam filtering. They have always been way better than even the commercial spam filtering solutions. They get pretty close to 100% of spam with (most importantly) no false positives.

[@Srulio]

You're right

[@livedandletdie]

Well you could make your own spamfilter if you made your own email service...

[@MsHojat]

Microsoft has pretty good filtering as well I find. They're probably good because they both have huge user populations to draw from as well as lots of money/resources.

[@dennisclark1927]

Thank you for taking the time to prepare this summary and evaluation of options. It has helped me a lot in knowing what options are out there and which ones I will look into further.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

You’re welcome :)

[@dotslashluis9353]

Solution: Host your own email server

[@VicharB]

Have been using Zoho for several years as my primary and secondary personal emails, with personal domain and their 3/m subscription using their EU based servers. Very happy.

[@PSYCHOPATHiO]

I opted out of all services & made my own email server at home :)

[@socialhostage8534]

Nice!! Full control!

[@altimmons]

Lock him up! Lock him up!

[@howtorideachopper]

I'm leaning towards this solution. I moved to Gmail because of spam control. How are you dealing with all the spam?

[@ukaszkosinski3839]

@@howtorideachopper I built private mail server few months ago, rspamd with some configuration deals with spam very well

[@livedandletdie]

How to deal with spam. Whitelists and blacklists. Prioritized mail inbox, regular mail and spam. That will sort itself out after a while.

[@ashish__shaji]

Tutanota is also a good option. Its based on Germany and Provides a very good service. It provides 1 GB storage space for free users. You can add this one to your list

[@MarivaldoSoares]

Zoho mail is a great alternative to gmail. I used to a long time and is very useful.

[@UrbanaticLemonade]

zoho? really ?

[@Ralesk]

Probably the biggest problem with switching email providers is having to update all the hundreds of accounts to use the new ones and making sure you actually have all your mail from the previous account once it's killed. 14-ish years of Gmail makes me afraid of having to move :D

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah it's a bit tedious. I forwzrd d everything to the new mail, and updated each account individually as I received mail for it.

[@finnk1289]

*Other Services worth considering:* -Tutanota. Limited free storage, with a modern interface, encryption, calendar and contacts, and their servers are located in Germany. -Nextcloud, using a free provider (there are many). As you may know, this supports calendar, contacts, mail, documents, file syncing and more. There are many affordable storage plans too depending on the provider.

[@SriHarshaChilakapati]

I use email so rarely, and all mail I get are basically spam anyways, I keep my gmail. Otherwise, I've experimented with setting up my own VPS from DigitalOcean and installing a Dovecot + Postfix combo on it. If you are into tech, I totally recommend this route.

[@LiranKo]

Self hosted smtp server with a lot of storage

[@BluesGuitarCentral]

What does that cost?

[@parihar-shashwat]

Nah.. if your ip gets blacklisted then all your domains mail will go into spam and the setting up of DKIM and SPF also most of the time dont work. Although yiu can use protonmail they have implemented some good spam filter algo and also blocks any outgoing smtp requests within certain time interval so that your ip doesn't get blacklisted. i think zoho provides overall balanced approach to personal/business mails in terms of privacy and features.

[@LiranKo]

@@parihar-shashwat depends how you use it. I never got blacklisted. Most cost efficient solution. I do accept that it is not a solution for the masses

[@commerce-usa]

True.

[@commerce-usa]

@@BluesGuitarCentral depends upon your level of tech savviness. Having your own DNS resolvers is also useful for privacy.

[@lylek8933]

This one was in my feeds and it reminded me that it's been months since I last checked my gmail. lolololol :)

[@jtc1947]

@ Lyle....I hated gmail because my internet speed is very slow. The gmail deal was extremely frustrating for me because of THAT! PEACE!

[@Woodyjims-shack]

Great video but you never mentioned the quality of spam filtering on the services you considered. This was the main reason I created a gmail address. Now I want to move for all the reasons you rightly outlined. Thanks 👍

[@Woodyjims-shack]

Signed up for a net c account and sent an email to an email on my domain and it was filtered as spam? Not good.

[@eng3d]

Gmail is filtering the email of my bank. Good riddance.

[@taknothing4896]

I do have 2 Gmail accounts for alternatives and as a fallback email client, but mainly I use Eudora and route all incoming mail thru my domain server. This has worked pretty well for the last couple of decades, and avoids having my email ogled by Google.

[@alexgarbarev]

I would vote for Synology NAS, where you can run your own "cloud". It's pricey, but I think it's worth it, because everything is easy to configure via web interface. I'm running notes, drive, syncing photos from phone and other devices, audio library with streaming and mobile apps, documents similar to google docs. It has a mail server, but I need to rent static ip and domain in order to setup it correctly - that's what I'm planning to do!

[@devincurrie4145]

How is that going so far?

[@methanoid]

This series is one of the best made I have seen on KZbin. I already subscribed, I like each one. (But I hate notification bell). And I do all this even though you're French :-). Seriously though I do love Brittany!! More please!!!!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Haha Thanks a lot :)

[@misterjeffa2128]

Protonmail isnt fully open source ( the apps for example) however they are saying that they are working on that. Also the android app uses some google things for notifications Calendar is being worked on as well (so they say) Other than that it is a great service

[@TheLinuxEXP]

True !

[@deivedux9342]

I'm a bit late and I blame KZbin for it, but I wanted to say that "using google for notifications" is actually an inevitable fact of android's design. Please, don't bring false negatives onto world's one of most favorite providers.

[@jay_321]

gmail's big advantage is that it's free. The downside is loss of privacy. If you're going to pay to get your privacy back, just get your own domain from a server farm. You can set up your own private email account with your own name (no convoluted names necessary to avoid using somebody else's name). Plus you can get enough storage and BW to start your own website. All for less than $5/month usually.

[@PratameshMistry]

How to do it?

[@jay_321]

@@PratameshMistry Lots of hosting sites out there. Here are some: www.cnet.com/web-hosting/

[@MegaManNeo]

Interesting alternatives. Personally, I use Posteo which is a small mail provider located in Berlin and who is focused on privacy entirely. They charge 1€ per month and have a very good service team that helps out whenever necessary. Also they have 2FA which is awesome.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I'll check it out :)

[@dbadaddy7386]

When you run the search engine, you can control the definition of words. "Don't do evil" describes what they do when "evil" is redefined as "privacy".

[@Watchandlearn91]

They actually removed the whole “don’t be evil” slogan. They don’t even hide the fact that they are anymore.

[@get_ready]

protonmail rocks!

[@Eltamin]

@@user-no3tu9kh3p still better than gmail

[@kebman]

It does. But it's not safe tho.

[@nemesisblack00]

@@kebman What do you mean with not safe?

[@kebman]

@@nemesisblack00 So tell me, have you ever hit "reply all" by mistake? Have any of your friends? It's a mistake that's real easy to do, even if you're a "security expert". And then the FULL THREAD goes to ALL those recipients, secrets and nude pics and all! Now, some of those recipients might use and old mail protocol. Those are ..... UN-ENCRYPTED!!!! .... so it would be equal to posting the whole thread publicly on Facebook, for all your friends (and enemies) to see. This is the single BIGGEST flaw with Protonmail, and it lies with the UI, and it lies with how E-mail is constructed. You just can't protect against stupid, and it's particularly easy to do stupid things while using Protonmail, so only use it for things that requires very low levels of security. If you're in need of real security, use something else entirely. Signal is a step up, for instance, though it's not perfect either.

[@nemesisblack00]

@@kebman Thanks for detailed comment. :)!

[@bob-ny6kn]

I bought huge space with a domain online and set up a mail client for a few dozen email addresses (plus forwarding). The host provided all the security. US$130 per year. Price probably reduced.

[@jacalzdev]

I would strongly recommend you to use Tutanota, that is actually what I use. It is Open Source, has a great UI with mobile apps also available (desktop in beta), runs on 100% green energy and everything is encrypted and private. They have pretty cheap prices too in my opinion. It is based in Germany and is probably one of the best if not the best email solution out there 👍

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah it's been highly recommended !

[@pugo7925]

I can't see a different between Tutanota and Protonmail (I use Tutanota)

[@fanturi]

@@pugo7925 tutanota is on Germany and Protonmail in switzerland which is a big avantage for your privacy.

[@pugo7925]

@@fanturi Yes I know their from different countries. can you explain how it's impact my privacy? which is the better in your opinion? Thanks.

[@fanturi]

@@pugo7925 mainly because Switzerland is not in EU, more info here : protonmail.com/blog/switzerland/

[@FirstLastOne]

Hahahaha, "Thunderbird looks clunky and outdated" said while reviewing Proton Mail. Coffee was spilled via nostrils on that one...

[@RadiantVaughn]

I'm loving Tutanota so far

[@Dakkaroni]

Are you still using it? How is it now?

[@RadiantVaughn]

@@Dakkaroni I am, but I plan to transition to Fastmail. I've been getting spam emails almost daily lately and Tutanota hasn't done well with detecting the spam to move them to my Spam folder. Many of those spam emails still go to my Inbox. Tutanota did advise they plan to roll out an update to improve their spam detection at some point. Outside of this issue, I have had no problems with Tutanota.

[@Dakkaroni]

@@RadiantVaughn Just last night, I decided I will switch to Tutanota instead of Proton. I heard that in order for any email provider to have a spam filter they have to be able to read your emails. I am not sure if that has anything to do with them having trouble filtering spam or how much of that is true. Do you not use services like Simple login or Anonaddy to avoid the spam? Im surprised you have so much spam unless you don't use the mentioned services.

[@RadiantVaughn]

@@Dakkaroni Awesome! I hope you have a positive experience with Tutanota. I hadn't used Simple Login or Anonaddy, but I will check them out. I've been reporting the spam to Tutanota and created email rules to help keep my Inbox free of spam, but it's just becoming too much to manage. I may just be a unique case. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@Dakkaroni]

@@RadiantVaughn No problem. I plan on using one of them for all my bs emails likes newsletters, social media and other junk mail. If any of the emails I use gets compromised. I'll disable the forwarding, generate a new one on the fly while keeping my main email addresses with Tutanota exclusively with Bank accounts, family friends, crypto exchanges etc. Your case does sound unique. Im glad you are going to look into SimpleLogin or Anonaddy. It will really really help you with spam.

[@francescomarialeo]

Sympa de voir un français dans la tech qui fait du contenu de qualité !

[@Henk717]

Protonmail has its limits, but its nice and secure and i have been using it with satisfaction. But they really need a calendar portion of there app, since i still rely on Microsoft for my calendar.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah it's a clear missing feature

[@gaston-alegre-stotzer]

I'm a Proton Mail user. I'm on a similar journey ... get rid of Google/Microsoft/... Only for e-mail... Proton mail does the trick right now and I'm good. But if I ever switch to a paid solution... I might go for a full cloud private email+ server.

[@heysupermanlook996]

Use a pocket diary and secure a pencil to it with a rubber band. Carry it in your pocket and no big tech company can trawl your diary to see what you are organising. Go low tech.

[@ohkay8939]

They put it a vote to users a few weeks ago that had Calendar as one of the options for "Things I'd like to see most in future updates". So they're clearly aware of it. I hope they get one out sooner rather than later.

[@pebblepod30]

Other people aee saying on this video comment section that Proton Mail has now added a calender.

[@zbigniewloboda3393]

1:13 Why not to pay for ddns and run your own email server. If you want to keep really privet communication, begin to create random numbers tables and use a one pass tables to encrypt your communication.

[@majkiiraf]

I use net-c, tutanota and vivaldi email, and all three are great. For me gmail interface is not nice or funcational at all. I am more for old style simple interface. And would reccomend any of these three to anyone who wants new and more private email.

[@alancadieux2984]

Where is proton mail main server located? Watched Ron Braxtman tech, channel here on u tube, encryption works between you and the main server, and another user on that server, but when it goes from one server to another, it is not encrypted. So he says, consider what really needs to be private, might need to use more than one.

[@in-oz]

I run my own mail server on a Digital Ocean VPS with Postfix and Courier IMAP. Took a while to get the spam control worked out but that's good now. For a Linux client I recently switched from Thunderbird to Evolution which is more actively maintained these days. This gives me the control that I want.

[@maigonis.elleris]

I agree on self-hosting, but it will not be for all.

[@hiddingclover]

Been using Mailfence for a while now. It features a basic user interface but they're based where I live, so that's what I use. I try to support local businesses as much as possible.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Nice, I'll take a look at it !

[@derJackistweg]

Who the hell shares ALL YOUR e-mail data with Google on purpose? And who wants that?

[@arishem555]

I ended up with 3y azure lease for VM for 6$month, directadmin 20$ per year and free outgoing 3rd party smtp server cause all cloud operators are filtering outgoing smtp 25. Dunno why i didn’t do it before. Outlook client not that good as google was. But honestly, - lets wait and maybe another open source client will come. I hate the bat btw )). Forgot to mention. Domain name plus 10buck for year and my 20years long it experience:-)))

[@aetvrna]

Watch Rob Braxman's video.

[@atulhostvideos]

Zoho is definitely one of the best choice. It is a balances the Feature and Privacy while maintaining the competitive fees.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Zoho is really good

[@techpro4244]

At the end of the video, you said you'd maybe try both out for sometime and decide which is better And its been 3 years So what have you decided? Have you chosen net-c or zoho? Or something else? (Btw net-c seems to have rebranded to Mailo) Also, does Mailo have labels or tags or folders, and if yes, is there a limit on how many you can create?

[@conservative-proud]

I’ve been with Gmail for 20+ years, but since Fakebook, Twitter, Gmail have gone down the road of censorship, I’ll be leaving just as soon as I can... thanks for this video, perhaps Zoho might be the Go ;)

[@benhurbenstiller]

Gmail launched in 2004.

[@nilathedragon]

ProtonMail it is for me! Im gladly paying for it.

[@carltaylor4942]

I've been using Mailo for a couple of years now without any problems whatsoever. It does everything I need from an email company.

[@SofianeSebbouh]

Thanks a lot man ✌️ You did a great job with this video. I'm loving the series and I'm looking forward to the next episode.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks a lot :) I'm working on it !

[@homayoonhakhamanesh6742]

In the ecosystem, utopia sending messages in P2R mode, files are encrypted and fragmented, this is a very reliable scheme. I have been using it for a year and appreciated the reliability of the project.

[@mohadesefakharnezhad6228]

the most anonymous project ever

[@ryangrange938]

Ive used protonmail for a couple years now, I get on really well with it and the Linux bridge despite being beta works just as well as the Windows one

[@carlabenzoni8178]

@Edan Brown 😃😁☺😀

[@carlabenzoni8178]

@Edan Brown contrary - I feel with you. It is: how the heck can I get rid of Win10 on my hardware and live without it.

[@carlabenzoni8178]

@Edan Brown there is no failure in God!

[@carlabenzoni8178]

@Edan Brownyou know nothing about my skills, education, intelligence or knowledge. Looks like you are not able to handle your IT problem by yourself. Find a Computerspecialist. Keep your crap to yourself. Stop attacking people.

[@tanjat]

I was giving Posteo a try and it is ok but I might move to Zoho mail. I need to break away from Gmail but it is so time consuming! I would appreciate any suggestions that can help move things from G Drive a bit faster. I am trying to put everything private that I should never be in the cloud onto external drives but it is taking forever!

[@blackrose7763]

Well I'm using the Microsoft Services, like outlook.com Office365 and Windows 10. I need Windows for my Office and my iPhone. But I am considering to use C-Net now.

[@DodgyBrothersEngineering]

Not that Microsoft is spying on you, but they would like to know why last Wednesday at 6.37pm you purchased the two ply toilet paper over the three ply toilet paper at Aldi.

[@livedandletdie]

@@DodgyBrothersEngineering implying I have actual mails that are worth spying on... I log in to my mail once every 2-3 months... I have literally nothing there but endless youtube replies which are autoforwarded to spam.

[@RedFenceAnime]

I like Posteo. It in Germany so If you want to avoid the "eyes" countries should go with Proton in Switzerland. Posteo has an encryption option, but I don't used it. I think the web-mail looks clean, but if you don't you could use IMAP/POP3 for your mail clients.

[@eduardoavila646]

What about a alternatives to youtube video too? Like bit tube and bitchute. Some of these alternatives to youtube seem pretty capable.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yeah they are, but in terms of audience and variety, they are very far behind, unfortunately :/

[@TheB3n0]

@Lics Norgi LBRY is pretty good. And their support is just awesome

[@Berutoron]

@@TheLinuxEXP Also, Bitchute is pretty much an alt-righters' den lol

[@alainbelisle898]

I like newpipe , you can't comment tho, but you can download all videos as videos or audios....

[@aureliangroup]

Good video - Just to note: Zoho Mail has a Desktop Lite client for Windows, Mac, and Linux (AppImage). Zoho invests quite a bit in Linux, offering clients for SalesIQ, Mail, Docs (online storage sync) WorkDrive (another online storage sync for Team Drives - docs will roll up into this), and Assist (a remote desktop access for support). With Zoho, small businesses can make a much easier switch to Linux

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Good to know, thanks ! I'm actually trying out a few Zoho services such as mail, docs and projects, and I quite like them.

[@aureliangroup]

@@TheLinuxEXP Feel free to reach out to me for info, I am a Zoho Partner and advocate

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks, I definitely will if I need anything :)

[@keng8883]

Personally, I like the Proton Mail/Thunderbird combination on my Linux box. Proton Mail's app on my phone works great but its nothing flashy and they are integrating a secure calendar into the mix now. I think I'll stick with them since they are on the move.

[@michadybczak4862]

What? Proton's app is supporting Thunderbird? Last time I checked it wasn't possible! Will check that, thanks. Thunderbird rocks! It may look a bit oldish but function wise it beats all other open source clients. There is simply no comparison. So far the biggest problem with encrypted, private emails is: they usually don't offer imap (third party clients) in the free version. That is why your revelation that proton app should work with Thundebird is a big thing. Let's hope it's true. EDIT: proton-bridge only works with premium accounts so no Thunderbird sync with proton :(. So at the moment, there is no real private alternative for free. Staying on gmail :(

[@TheLinuxEXP]

It looks like it is, you have to request an invite though

[@schukaproallied9834]

By premium you mean the 4$ tier or the 24$ one?

[@durnsidh6483]

@@schukaproallied9834 $4

[@bertimus7031]

Every time i change computers gmail locks my account and wont let me back in. I have had enough and i now i use proton mail.

[@genkiferal7178]

same here and I don't think it is really for our safety. i think it is about tracking our movements. If it was about our privacy/safety, they could ask for both a password or pass phrase and a security question - instead of phone and email verification. it is the phone verification that pisses me off the most - esp. when some buildings/co. discourage having your phone out.

[@kenwu7]

Phones too

[@gadgetsage]

I especially hate that they won't let me use the same password as other accounts, just let me use the goddamned password I want, I'm not a friggin spy, my emails aren't top secret plans for nuclear devices! If someone finds out I ordered cheese nibbles fine

[@Mega_Arrow]

Disroot is a good all in one: email, calendar, storage, cloud, and social media (via Diaspora). For just email, protonmail and tutanota are good.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Never heard of it, but I'll take a look !

[@nighthawksoffice]

The perk about Protonmail is that it's based in Switzerland, little better privacy laws then my country.

[@Shango]

*than

[@nighthawksoffice]

@@Shango You're completely right! Now I'm just thinking whether to change it or leave it like this..

[@carlabenzoni8178]

@@nighthawksoffice leave it and maintain your individuality. S set it straight for all of us... Nice service.

[@baruasafi5880]

Protonmail is owned by the three letter agency in America. Do your research please.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Isn’t that just paranoia though?

[@cakemnstr42]

The new proton mail client is much nicer (currently in beta) and ProtonBridge just exposes a regular IMAP server now so it's usable with every IMAP compatible client. Also it includes encrypted contacts and calendar now. Worst part is their mobile app but even that is pretty OK. I'm using them now with my own domain, works great! Only thing missing from the new web client is an offline mode but my internet is pretty stable so that's not really a problem for me, just a feature difference to Gmail.

[@jimmydroid7838]

I'll use a carrier pigeon from now on.

[@JAWMpb]

I really like your direct presentation. It also shows preparation!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks a lot :)

[@EmmaR-k6p]

been using zoho for ages, great service

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I do enjoy it as well

[@LauraDickenson]

Is zoho secure?

[@ahimsainternational3361]

I have been using ProtonMail for several years and do not agree that Gmail is more aesthetic. Gmail is "ordinary" and even "out of date" in appearance. There is only one feature that Gmail has that is better than the competition: the search function is very fast and thorough. Maybe I am overlooking something, but this is my user experience and I have used both Gmail and ProtonMail for long enough to understand both thoroughly. ProtonMail is very professional but search is what one surrenders with serious encryption. You can only search the sender, receiver, and subject. However, there are so many wonderful features that are customizable such as folders, filters, aliases, etc. It lacks an autorespond but they are considering this. It would be nice if a serious geek studied the encryption to see if it is actually protective or relatively easily broken.

[@hexone4903]

Register a cool dynamic dns domain. Set up your MTA ( I use Sendmail). done.

[@qalashnikovs]

I only use snail mail. Slowly but surely and the safest bet where privacy is concerned. I'll move to some vacant islands south of the pacific if I want more privacy next time.

[@DenverRoberts]

Did you ever do a followup video on this topic?

[@World_Theory]

Net-C seems to have changed to "Mailo", but my first glance at the features listed appears to be the same as the Net-C you talk about in this video. I don't know how to confirm that they're still based in France, or even Europe though. My guess, is that they've rebranded from Net-C to Mailo, because for one, "Net-C" isn't very interesting, and for two, there's another website with a practically identical name except for the hyphen, which has something to do with monitoring radioactivity around the world or something. It's probably not ideal to get the two things mixed up.

[@sondreavik5337]

ProtonMail logs your IP, email headers unencrypted and has a history of cooperating with imposters claiming to be a government entity completely without any kind of legally binding court notice (forgot the proper name).

[@nolancooper6062]

Would you produce the true facts for this statement. This is just an assertion by you. No saying you are lying. Just need the facts.

[@jamesharding386]

We seem to view similar content I nearly always see you in the comments. I don't do the term privacy I like to think of it as personal security. What email do you suggest?

[@classicrockonly]

I have a hard time deciding about switching off. I just assume email isn’t a private medium. Even if my server is locked up and not readable, the same conversation is visible for my gmail/outlook/yahoo/etc recipients

[@tskjesusfreak]

Proton Mail since 2017.

[@leighdepaor]

According to ProtonMail their Bridge works with any client supporting IMAP & SMTP - such as Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla Thunderbird, or Apple Mail - protonmail.com/bridge/ They may have updated it since your video but it seems fairly straight forward to configure for email clients other than Thunderbird.

[@villenmillenion7986]

I recommend you to check out tutanota aswell

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thanks !

[@villenmillenion7986]

@@TheLinuxEXP also protonmail does contact its users from time to time about their experiences and what they should implement or work on and build on that note, so I would recommend keeping an eye on it, I've been a user for quite a while

[@patrickkelly5048]

If your an Apple user and want a private email service iCloud email is also a way to go. The Apple ID offers iCloud Drive and the iWork apps. I’m in the Apple ecosystem, so Apple’s services are my way to go.

[@unleashthedog]

Actually Proton looks much cleaner than Gmail, having much more white space alone

[@frederickmartin6998]

Doing research on email providers, I found one place that lists as a 'con' for ProtonMail: "Free accounts are required to use Javascript webmail and encryption is done in the browser. Javascript cryptography is harmful for security and should not be used." What are your thoughts on this?