These projects have problems: Hyprland, Mozilla, Snap, AppImage, Manjaro...

[@TheLinuxEXP]

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[@knoopx]

if a linux distro mantainer ever tells me to set my date in the past to download their iso, i would totally loose my trust and confidence and would completely ignore it for the rest of my life.

[@n00dl3]

An expired SSL cert is amateur hour. Makes you wonder what other jobs they're half-arsing.

[@averagejoey2000]

"maintainer" maintain your fuckin cert!

[@robertszynal4745]

Yeah, it's a massive red flag that they either don't understand the very basics of security or don't care.

[@ActionGamerAaron]

*lose

[@leonidas14775]

It makes you wonder: If they can't get this right then what other jank can I expect with this distro?

[@itisabird]

$5 million for the CEO of Mozilla?! I'm sorry, but there's no excuse for that, specially given that lack of direction that Firefox has lately. If she thinks she's paid to low, she can leave her position. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people would be happy with a $500,000 salary. So a non-profit where the products goes through the drain while the CEO makes a pool of cash? I done donating to them, never again.

[@AyaWetts]

Not sure why anyone would donate money to any project run by a company paying people so much... its sick they can even ask for it.

[@raywt3237]

They might just file it under equality

[@linuxramblingproductions8554]

Yeah i think when the pay reaches a certain amount it shouldn’t even be a non profit because clearly she is profiting

[@arahman56]

The issue with the idea is that the theoretical person also needs to be good with refusing $1m+ wage offers by other companies. Basically, fine in a vacuum, not so in real world where other companies are looking to scoop up talent.

[@funbucket09]

I bet she has never donated a cent of her salary to the project/foundation (or any other one for that matter) yet still feels it justified to ask us serfs for our money.

[@gwgux]

I believe the phrase is, "roses have thorns". That's probably the best way to describe these issues. As great as FOSS is, it's still written and run by humans and if there's anything that humans are exceeding good at, is creating controversy everywhere...

[@Sekhatt]

Which I believe is a contraction of the fuller phrase, "Even the sweetest smelling rose has thorns.", Obviously meaning no matter how good someone/something appears, there's always a dark side / down side.

[@archetype6351]

The AUR ddos always cracks me up. It's objectively awful but simultaneously hilarious.

[@yibowei9636]

The biggest issue about snap to me isn't that its store is proprietary. The issue is although it not only comes pre-installed on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu lets you install snap packages when using apt (wtf?). You run some apt install command and a snap package is installed. Also Ubuntu removed some critical packages (chromium, Firefox...) from their apt source and forced you to install snap instead is just ridiculous.

[@tucatheman]

That's the biggest reason I stopped using Ubuntu and Ubuntu based distros. It's a pain in the ass imo.

[@Chaotic_Oven]

@@tucatheman Ubuntu based distros usually have their own repos? Like Firefox on Linux Mint is a deb package

[@tucatheman]

@@Chaotic_Oven I only used Ubuntu and Pop_OS! before I moved on to my definitive distro, maybe some other Ubuntu-based distros are good but that was my experience with them

[@lenowoo]

All ubuntu based distro with ******untu name mandated snap though ​@@Chaotic_Oven

[@arcadeportal32]

​@Chaotic_Oven Linux Mint is probably the best Ubuntu disto imo because it removes a lot of the controversial issues with Ubuntu, like Snaps by default.

[@EmanueleC_BR]

Mozilla is effectively a $1bn company. It could maintain its full compliment of devs for about 20 years with only 1 year of revenue. And yet, they are buying other companies to get into ads/vpns/etc. I'm fairly certain another browser project could do quite a lot with that scale of income

[@donaldc3884]

I keep saying...pay attention to their backers!

[@MrGamelover23]

That's vaguely concerning.

[@Arvigeus]

It's great that you acknowledged your own hypocrisy - we all have moments like that. Those who claim otherwise are either lying to themselves or using it as a pretext to judge others unfairly.

[@BeefIngot]

Its nuanced and people should not throw out the baby with the bathwater just because they cant adhere idealistically to everything they say. You cannot let perfect be the enemy of good. Its why when you are forced to use one thing but avoid things you arent forced to use, thats reasonable. In this case, he couldnt have a financially viable platform without google.

[@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks]

i have my own positions that may or may not be hypocritical to a point. sometimes hypocrisy depends on your view point and it's not always as cut and dry as some might think. it highly depends on what is being considered hypocritical and if there's a logical reason for that position. if you don't like KZbin and thing it should go away... yet you still use the platform... why do you use it? is it because it's habit? then maybe you are being a bit hypocritical. if it's because while you use other platforms the vast majority of the content you watch is on KZbin, then that's not really as hypocritical as one might thing. but if you continue to as creator criticize the platform while also using it, and not actually venturing to other platforms, do you really care about the issues that KZbin is facing? i would bet you don't.

[@Wilker_uwu]

same idea as "You criticize society yet you live in it". using a platform you need for interaction does not and should not revoke your rights to criticize it. hypocrisy is when you refuse to uphold the morals you advocate for, not merely failing at upholding them. like expressing negative views about a workplace but not quitting a job is not hypocrisy. a parent teaching their kid that other children should be treated as equals no matter where they come from, but refusing to recognize people with disabilities as equals or advocating for eugenics, is a form of hypocrisy.

[@michaelwright2986]

The point about KZbin is, surely, that Google has a monopoly, and takes advantage of it in ways that many of us find objectionable. But it's a monopoly, and it's hard to avoid monopolies.

[@nomadic_shadow]

The AppImage FUSE thing really irritated me... Now I konw why that is happening, thank you.

[@Sitwayen]

Would have been nice to include the reason the dev do not use the new one. If any.

[@hydranooni]

Hyprland is such a good Wayland compositor. Vaxry may not be a socially good guy, but he is an incredible developer who spends so much time into Hyprland and as a developer muself, I value projects like Hyprland.

[@nintendowiids12]

A very talented developer whom I wouldn't want to be associated with considering what goes on in his discord community.

[@bobmcbob4399]

He sounds "based" (as the kids say nowadays), in the same way that Torvalds was before his life became dangerous.

[@florianfelix8295]

@@bobmcbob4399huh Linus Thorvalds is in danger?

[@Arvigeus]

It used to be sort of an industry standard for great developers to be nerds with awkward social skills. People are getting way too idealistic nowadays, mistaking ignorance with hostility.

[@florianfelix8295]

@@bobmcbob4399you are aware that time moves and what’s socially acceptable does with it? 20 years ago there was a lot less awareness of a lot of discrimation issues

[@mariolis]

Rather than replacing the BSD licence with a source-available one they should have just moved to the GPL, that way , it remains open source while companies cant freeload off your code, they have to publish any improvements they make on it

[@domojestic4155]

There are plenty of GPL-licensed projects that still get taken advantage of. One such project was the Sodium Minecraft optimization mod that saw a bunch of forks essentially "copy" the original branding, market themselves as "better" (while really just redistributing the exact same project), and then denounce the original Sodium devs to drive traction to their own fork. This pretty much led to the primary dev *needing* to change the license to, quite literally, avoid becoming homeless if he were to continue to pursue the mod full-time, or drastically cut the work he put into it by getting an employee position someplace. The GPL isn't the silver bullet many FOSS fans wish it was.

[@abuttandahalf]

​@@domojestic4155What did they change it to?

[@domojestic4155]

@@abuttandahalf Polyform Shield; pretty much says you can use the code so long as it isn't to make a "direct competitor" to the software - details for what that means can be found in the license proper. You can find more info on issue #2400 of the sodium-fabric repo under CaffeineMC's GitHub organization.

[@linuxramblingproductions8554]

⁠@@domojestic4155im also curious what they changed it to

[@DanielBrotherston]

The "censorship" argument for Mozilla only sounds bad because of problematic monopolies. I.e., nobody even questions the right of mastodon instances to ban people for bad behaviour or to not federate with instances the don't like. And sure, there are specific questions and specific quibbles, but no fundamental rights issues. But because Twitter and Facebook (used to) be so universal, then there are different questions. And because they are algorithmic, then it is false to believe that "not censoring" something means that these same companies aren't actively picking winners and losers, they are. There is nothing natural or inevitable about algorithmic feeds. They are all intentional policy. So to say that we shouldn't make intentional policies which are good vs. bad, is a silly thing to say.

[@bartscrush5064]

I agree that twitter and facebook essential became monopolies and if you are banned off of them then you cannot spread what you believe in and that lets them pick the winners and "facts".

[@s1nistr433]

The mozilla ship is sinking whether people want to admit it or not. Firefox has become completely unusable, going from Firefox to Chromium is a night and day difference in performance, KZbin and discord sometimes take literal minutes to load properly on the latest firefox. They're trying to become an ad company that collects data to the point of literally firing their CEO so he doesn't get in the way. People don't want to believe it because it's literally their last hope towards preventing a future where everything is running on chrome. There seems to be a new upcoming project by the devs of SerenityOS called Ladybird where they wrote their own browser engine from scratch and is profited by donations / contributers rather than by another company. Hopefully this will be the next thing to compete with chrome without also being financially dependent on them.

[@lmnk]

It's nothing surprising... not a single company gives a sh... about democracy, freedom of speech or even accessing the information when it comes to money and government compliance. They banned Runet blocks bypassed addon recently, and only unbanned it because there was a scandal around it.

[@GarumOverdose]

Mozilla's "endorsing factual voices" was pretty much just "promote mainstream media outlets" which are not at all nonpartisan, and have been caught lying again and again. Striving to increase factuality is a fine goal, but "fact-checking" especially back then was simply laundering partisan opinions as fact. eg. Snopes hilariously said that calling someone who was a member of a terrorist organization and arrested for possession of hundreds of pounds of explosives a "domestic terrorist" wasn't quite correct. The Hunter Biden laptop is a similar thing: Most of Mozilla's "factual" outlets lean left, the story was super inconvenient to the left before the election, so it was buried and social media platforms straight up disallowed spreading links to the story. New York Post's Twitter account was frozen. Now that it's no longer current, many have come around and said yeah, the story was real after all. That's the sort of context where Mozilla came out with it, and where my use of their product ended. No thanks.

[@Firefoxx_]

I think Android project is kind of problematic as well.

[@BlogingLP]

​@GatoPensador-ky7gj I am waiting for an OS for my phone that is FOSS and not ridden with spyware like Android

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@BlogingLP You, and everyone else too.

[@tablettablete186]

​@GatoPensador-ky7gjI am just waiting for the fuchsia update lol

[@BlogingLP]

@@bobmcbob4399 You can bet your ass if I could make one I would but sadly I don't possess this Skill

[@myryk]

@@BlogingLP There are Open Source projects based on AOSP and they actually work quite okay in my experience.

[@coopercummings8370]

You missed some issues with snaps. Another major problem is the snap store allows user submitted apps without a manual review before they are listed on the store, so it has all the same security risks as the AUR, but unlike the AUR it is enabled by default and comes with no warnings about the security risks. Malware has repeatedly made it onto the snap store as a result. Also with the GUI tools and application that is sandboxed is automatically marked as verified safe, even though they have repeatedly had issues with phishing malware that is sandboxed on the snap store.

[@nando3d491]

Flatpaks also have this problem. At least AUR lets you read the packaging to know what it's doing, whereas Snaps and Flatpaks can obfuscate objects.

[@s1nistr433]

The issue with snaps is that they blatantly disregarded what their end users wanted. When they came out people complained that they had proprietary servers, and ubuntu was forcing them on the end user. Instead of ubuntu listening to the valid complaints of the majority of their audience, they doubled down and made it worse, basically saying "deal with things my way or leave". To this day the server code still isn't open, and now ubuntu's planning on making their distro entirely containerized and snap-only. It's not anything necessarily functional about snaps, it's the blatant unethical disregard for their userbase and why most linux uses avoid ubuntu like the plague and why mint is now considering switching over to a debian base.

[@nando3d491]

@s1nistr433 internet users you mean, because in everyday life, no one cares about this. Ubuntu is the most used distro by far. The sum of users from the other distros combined does not reach the Ubuntu installed base. Again, this "closed server code" stuff is just talk from those who don't technically know what they're talking about and are just spreading a disinformation campaign against Canonical. They has a lot of problems as a company, but usually a lot of the criticism is too silly. Other day I saw someone saying that it wasn't good to work there, because the hiring process was "humiliating", whereas in reality it was just long compared to American standards, but common for Europeans, which is the case at Canonical. Furthermore, employees of the company itself commented that it was good to work there and that the company had few employee dropouts because of this and they were expanding because the company was growing. Still, what permeated was that the company was bad.

[@Sasha-zw9ss]

At least with the AUR, you know what you're getting into.

[@SnakePlissken25]

What, nothing about Mozilla going into the ad brokerage business on top of everything else?

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

Their excuse will be a bandwagon or sinking ship logical fallacy to escape accountability of integrity

[@Thorned_Rose]

* Mozilla Corporation (not Mozilla Foundation).

[@um8078]

Someone is gonna start using hyprland just because of this

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Judging from the comments, yeah.

[@GrumpyDerg]

*looks up Hyprland!*

[@1pcfred]

The thought has crossed my mind.

[@sweetsweetkhajoor]

lmao ppl gonna be like "omg based"

[@miguelguthridge]

As a trans person it really sucks to be hated so much that people will intentionally choose to use software *because* it is made by someone who enjoys belittling me. Anyone who does choose to use Hyprland because of Vaxry's behaviour should be ashamed of themselves.

[@NBSpruce907]

The thing about snaps that drive me nuts is that they show up on lsblk. Even after being uninstalled.

[@cpubdr]

Try do uninstall snapd package and reboot the machine. It worked for me.

[@benderbg]

You skipped NixOS coup.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Oh man, I completely missed that one

[@Peshyy]

​@@TheLinuxEXPtime for a 20-minute NixOS video :D

[@b0t123]

There was a coup? 😂

[@Peshyy]

@@b0t123 NixOS also lost 4 out of their 5 board members due to bullying, hate, and other things.

[@Wampa842]

@@Peshyy Not even the almighty penguin can fix humans being humans.

[@lt3lt3lt3]

I think ceo's generally make orders of magnitude more than they deserve. #eattherich

[@j.m.mendez6091]

Based

[@matthewdee6023]

I'm with Jello Biaffra on this one: "We should have a minimum wage, but how about a maximum wage?"

[@aYoutubeuserwhoisanonymous]

you seem to be confusing the causality here, the people who were willing to take the risk or had the money were incentivised with more money. If you decrease their pay that might lead to less incentive and less innovation from newer startups to try.

[@pogmom]

@@aKZbinuserwhoisanonymous this is a common myth, it's simply untrue

[@aYoutubeuserwhoisanonymous]

@@pogmom there is a big survivorship bias, the amount of startups that fail is very high one is playing lottery even starting one.

[@Skeleman]

Because everyone would rather be angry someone did something wrong than be happy someone did something right. And whenever someone says something good they are accused of endorsing the bad thing that happened

[@c.h.4126]

10:55 - oh the KDE6 upgrade for Manjaro left many installations crippled in a non booting state because it was offered with zero warnings as a regular update that just popped up. Users should have had undone their modifications to Plasma 5.2. I mean yeah there's always such a risk but if consider yourself user friendly it's just bad to not show any warning whatsoever while not even having a recent iso ready for a reinstallation.

[@unnainconnu9098]

Mine booted fine even though the taskbar was all wrong, but I think they should have included a script to reset the config instead of asking users to do so. Or better yet, KDE devs should have taken care of that.

[@justliberty4072]

Snap open source may be a perceived problem, but the incredibly slow start-up of snaps is a real problem that hits you in the face every day.

[@marinlos]

Lately snaps open pretty fast in general. At least on my hardware which is quite average honestly. I5 8GB RAM, SSD

[@no_name4796]

You still get your lsblk polluted as fuck. And do we really need to mount a fucking file system for every single app we run on our computer? Seems too much to me

[@no_name4796]

Especially when all this sandboxing becomes useless after canonical does ZERO app verification and allows the same bitcoin scammer to post his app on the snap store multiple times

[@marinlos]

@@no_name4796 last time I checked they removed anything from that specific guy. Did they manage to upload the app again?

[@lucolesco]

Yeah for me it opens pretty fast too. The only problem I see with Snaps is how Canonical packages some of them (e.g. Steam) and the Snap Store.

[@giancarlolugo7048]

6:45 sounds like you said “for example on Ubuntu by defaultu”. That made me laugh.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Haha too much anime rotted my brain

[@maxanimator9547]

Them refusing to even consider open sourcing a project of theirs just because a previous one which they had just so happened to open source failed for a whole other reason than its open source nature tells me all that I need to know about Canonical.

[@Mooooov0815]

Nah I understand the sentiment. Dealing with open source projects and a community involvement is a different beast than internal source. When nobody or only extremely few people are doing to use it anyways, what’s the point of dealing with that headache?

[@phanirithvij]

I've seen many GitHub/gitlab issues stay in limbo for years in many oss projects, they can just do that, anyway. That one guy who sends a PR knowing nothing, spam, etc can all be dealt with. No I don't see how open sourcing something, especially when you are an open source company who have experience with dealing with open source, can not open source a project for not being able to do oss maintenance.

[@bart2019]

Red Hat even restrict access to their forums to paying customers. That is not what the people on the forums signed up for.

[@xander_vh]

You could make a version talking about Projects with technical drama like systemd and GNOME.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

It could be interesting too, to also set the record straight on some misconceptions. And to point out real flaws

[@sylvercritter]

@@TheLinuxEXP i'm an absolute massive fan of the GNOME DE in spite of its many, many flaws (such as needing extensions to have any meaningful customization), a video going over technical drama and flaws would be great to see

[@netkv]

don't let the bloated viruses infect your machines

[@nando3d491]

He will never do that, Nick doesn't want to be canceled on Mastodon, which is the audience he cares about.

[@maaren3150]

What's the drama with systemd?

[@RagnarinVa]

Mozilla's stance on censorship of "disinformation" is a deal killer. Disinformation is just a word used to describe opinions or political positions they don't like.

[@fakecubed]

And the "disinformation" they were talking about censoring at the time turned out to be accurate information and the censors were wrong.

[@AQDuck]

Personally I'm perfectly capable of detaching the "artist" from the "artwork", unless the "artist" goes batshit crazy and pushes their agenda onto the project or makes sudden changes that could lead to malware or other breaking changes (e.g PolyMC). Vaxry's social skills are lacking but that's about it.

[@fastestdino2]

Yeah totally. The beliefs of most of the open source community don't jive with me, but I still like their product sometimes.

[@miguelguthridge]

I refuse to use software made by someone for whom I am the punch line of a joke. Vaxry's behaviour is unacceptable, and he is a primary contributor to the stereotype of Linux being a community of cruel and hurtful neckbeards.

[@moffichu9150]

I agree, the belief of having open source and usually free software is a bad idea. I usually like my applications to be subscription service based, proprietary, and plastered with telemetry that makes it eat 2GB of ram constantly. I love having ads shoved in my face at all times - but thats just my preference

[@khagaroth]

Vaxry's social skills don't even lack that much. It's just that people nowadays are spoiled crybabies that mentally break down if you just look at them badly.

[@Akab]

​@@moffichu9150 nice.

[@niacinsoupbowl]

Your description of the hyprland drama was pretty weak.

[@infinitebeast5517]

Manjaro did indeed have those issues and to me the most concerning one was the money one. Im still using it however as there doesn't seem to be something unique like it. The most similar is endeavor os and I did try it but ended up bricking my system in an update

[@d2d2505]

have you tried arco linux?

[@rjawiygvozd]

@@d2d2505 I assume endeavour bricking the system means arch would also break it (probably some "manual intervention required") so would arco, but manjaro usually avoids this kind of stuff in their stable branch, at least in my experience. Also as incompetent as they sound because of ssl issues their actual tools shipped with the distro feel much better designed than collections of random scripts thrown together in a welcome app that other arch based distros have

[@5Hydroxytryptophan]

Tumbleweed might be an alternative, or Slowroll. Both aim to be stable rolling releases.

[@donaldc3884]

I've recently returned to Manjaro and having no issues at all. Im gaming as well and no problem. After some research though i am using the stable repo with NO AUR. It seems that if you want to use the AUR then switch to the testing branch. So far its been great.

[@-1_void]

Controversy time ! I'm gonna go get some popcorn My take on AppImages : I like them because you can't install regular Linux apps on external storage easily. I'm going to do an Arch install on a 4gb USB stick, don't have a lot of space for stuff there.

[@maaren3150]

Thing is that if you want to use appimages like that, on a low capacity thumb drive, that's kind of contradictory. Because appimages are usually MUCH larger than an installed binary.

[@-1_void]

You're right, but at least I can store them on OTHER drives, not like installed applications that must be where the OS is

[@gabriel11788]

i’m downloading hyprland btw

[@stevenjlovelace]

I like that you're not afraid to criticize elements of the FOSS community. I'd like to see a critique of Richard Stallman, who despite his many contributions, has many skeletons in his closet.

[@ferretallica]

Holy shit, you really dropped the ball in this one. Especially on Manjaro and your tunnel-visioned hyprland take.

[@Geeler]

I'd _love_ to hear what your hyprland take is, I'm sure it won't just be contrarian at all

[@linuxstreamer8910]

the hyprland thing is only happening in the discord group that is separate from the github

[@NeftisIsHere]

Spicy comments, just like i like it

[@sweetsweetkhajoor]

if ppl can't handle the spice they need to drink milk

[@settlece]

@@sweetsweetkhajoor I've been looking all day to be offended on someone's behalf.

[@vertexrikers]

Writing this on Hyprland. Vaxry is awesome. Hyprland Cathedral is awesome. It's a very nice community. You talking about it the way you do just makes it painfully obvious that you don't know what you're talking about and didn't do any actual research on the matter.

[@fakecubed]

A lot of sensationalist reporting but with many factual errors.

[@carloscapelatto3084]

You can choose not to use Hyprland. But I don't think you should reject vaxry's contributions just because they come from vaxry. It is necessary to distinguish the personal from the professional.

[@dfs-comedy]

It depends. At a certain level of toxicity, I think you need to put your foot down. For example, in a professional business relationship, such a toxic individual would be cut off really quickly because businesses understand that such behavior is unacceptable.

[@enricosudo8690]

@@dfs-comedy This would happen in a business relationship because companies fear their profit would diminish, not because such behavior is unacceptable. If this behavior was normalized they wouldn't give a shit.

[@sylvercritter]

i still think Vaxerski's ban from FDO was warranted. letting him still contribute would've sent a message that bigotry was tolerated and that it doesn't matter if you think certain people are subhuman as long as you are talented. this will attract more bigoted people and ultimately would push minorities out of the space who are just as talented as bigots.

[@peterp4037]

They have done nothing wrong. It's just other people want to impose their ideologies.

[@priyanshusharma1812]

So for 3 people's "feelings" it's okay to ignore majority?​@@sylvercritter

[@gehenna14]

I suddenly want to try out hyprland after watching this video

[@Sh_Pe]

You won’t regret that

[@TheAltair033]

huh, might have to give hyperland a try. guy seems based

[@fakecubed]

It's funny how many people think that simply because of how unhinged his critics are because of a complete misunderstanding/mischaracterization of the supposed controversy. Nowadays if you just shut up and try to work without making anything political people call you based.

[@temari2860]

I like that you can run snap packages like normal apps from the terminal, and that snap considers terminal apps and libraries, not only graphical apps, also "snap" is a way cooler name than "flatpak". What I don't like is everything else about it.

[@wongirengmataneputih3360]

I use hyprland because of this

[@Scoobin]

Agree with most of this but I take issue on a few matters. Most importantly, never missing the opportunity to put the boot in to Manjaro. Does anyone else notice the difference between this and the other issues mentioned in this video? Most of the issues mentioned here are corporate abusive of power (eg licencing, unfair staff reunmeration like Mozilla), lack of security and due dliigence (eg App Image) or hateful communities (Hyprland). Now look at the issues leveled at Manjaro: forgot to renew security ceritifcate, AUR being essentially use at your own risk, some buggy code bringing down Arch repo servers one time, and using a few patched unsupported programs. All of these are stupid mistakes, and deserve criticism, but they are both ancient history and forgivable and do not show bad intent; except for perhaps the last one. I don't know how many times, how often, and how recent this patching has occurred--I must learn more about it--but I do know that the other issues DO NOT belong in this video and are popular issues to attack Manjaro on as is a popular thing to do. Hopefully other viewers can realise this.

[@mojojojo1529]

I'd have to say Manjaro is definitely not a bad choice. Just use AUR sparingly. Other than that, I have not experienced any of the "instabilities" these past 5 years or so. In fact Manjaro was the distro that survived all updates so far without major breakage (it's a rolling release and pretty stable at that) so I just did not have any reason to hop to another distro so far. This usually happens when my distro breaks to a point where I just lose the energy to fix it - never happened with Manjaro. It's not that it did not break, but when it did it was very easy to fix.

[@fedfer]

The same could be said for my experience with Arch

[@yrjo5050]

@@fedferyou survived grub fiasco?

[@levizor5113]

People who drop hyprland because of the developer, are you going to drop GNU coreutils as well because of Richard Stallman and his sayings? Seems like it's time to move to alpine...

[@youtubehandlesux]

Retard stallman is about the only reason stopping me from switching away from windows so yes

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

I personally didn’t drop Hyprland because of its dev, I did so because I wasting time trying to figure out how to use it, and I didn’t understand its default interface.

[@georgemarkas]

I was already using Hyprland, you didn't have to try to convince me further :^)

[@user-di8kl4cc5u]

Regardless of devs politics or views it's pretty good WM tbh

[@fakecubed]

The dev just wants to write code instead of wasting time performing public self-flagellation for an audience that's not using his software, is going to hate him no matter what anyway, and doesn't believe in forgiveness. In the end, people like him are going to move Linux forward while the speech police Karens are wasting time making bigger and bigger codes of conduct that just alienate regular people.

[@Autumn_red_fox]

finally, i found the rational comment

[@DavidZetaKrone]

I'm (also) on the opposite side of the political spectrum/social beliefs as the Hyprland dev, but in fairness to his side of the argument most of what he's done is retaliatory. The "Who/Cares" incident happened in response to poor behaviour on that person's part, and the FDO officer essentially just decided they'd bully him using their title out of nowhere due to the former incident significantly after the drama was already well passed. His behaviour is toxic and there's no excuse for it, no doubt, but he's the only one being called out for it; the other side can behave however they want or be as toxic as they desire and no one seems to think it's a problem because they have the more socially acceptable views.

[@quaesitrix881]

Encore un coup des FDO 😂

[@MRDaved]

There's always more context, hats off to you adding it

[@jktolford8272]

@@MRDaved What context? I.e., what prior incident or behavior.

[@MRDaved]

@@jktolford8272 Didn't know the context for the who/cares incident or other stuff never heard of the drama until this video, I found it all pretty funny and stupid tbh

[@jktolford8272]

@@MRDaved People *say* there is a context but don't *supply* any context. I know what vaxry wrote & did. An account of prior events would be relevant, what you or others find funny isn't.

[@Bajo85]

Just want to say, I really like your channel and what you're doing for the linux community ❤

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Thank you!

[@hopelessdecoy]

I like AppImage more than the other two. They're easy to make, understand and share.

[@CabbageBloke]

I dislike snaps for one reason. If I use the terminal to install an app and don’t specify snaps it defaults to snaps. Can’t be dealing with that nonsense.

[@AyaWetts]

Sounds like an Ubuntu problem... I've never had to deal with snaps at all, and doing great

[@CabbageBloke]

@@AyaWetts It is, which is why i use Fedora.

[@AyaWetts]

@@CabbageBloke Fedora is great... I switched to it over a year ago and have stuck with it. Only Linux distro I've used that's been rock solid stable, and kept up-to-date and everything runs great. Never wanted to distro hop again.

[@CabbageBloke]

@@AyaWetts Same as. I can’t stand Ubuntu, for a company going on about open source I find it irritating they have proprietary software of the snaps backend.

[@yxtqwf]

I find the part about Hyprland to be very misleading, instead uncritically believing Drew DeVault's accusations. For example, regarding the who/cares pronoun change, this video leaves out relevant information, the fact that the user was basically a troll, and that even so, Vaxry has expressed regret and repeated apologized for this incident. If you want a more complete and accurate understanding of the situation, I recommend reading Vaxry's response to Drew's accusations. Also, it's very inaccurate to say that Vaxry "doxxed" the FDO, as they only posted information that is public on FDO's own website. As you are a KZbinr with a large audience, so please, especially regarding controversial topics, take the effort to thoroughly research the subject and cover the issues fairly.

[@CaptainToadUK]

Redis should have changed their license to either require some form of commercial engagement (i.e. payment) from big businesses (maybe quantified by a revenue cutoff) and allowed the regular small customers to carry on using it as normal

[@IshayuG]

I’m just glad we can finally begin to strike Wayland from this list. I was about to lose my bloody mind over their inability to compromise and ship something that works, but they finally did.

[@wikwayer]

I think the big mistake is having both plasma 6 and Wayland happening at the same time and forcing people to have os with out x11 only exaggerate the problem.

[@thegreenguy5555]

​@@wikwayerWhat does Plasma 6 have to do with Wayland? Also I've been using it on my (NVIDIA Optimus no less) laptop and it's great

[@thelakeman2538]

@@wikwayer plasma 6 is the best thing that has happened to wayland, you can always switch back to x11 on plasma, so I don't see what's your problem here. X11 deprecation is still years away, idk any major distro not shipping x11, only fedora seems to be headed in that direction, aggressively adopting new software is what fedora usually does so. RHEL will only shift to wayland only in RHEL 10 so 2025, but RHEL 9 is gonna be supported till early 2030s, so I wouldn't worry.

[@gragogflying-anvil3605]

​@@wikwayerWho/What is forcing people to have an OS without X11?

[@NotTheGaslighter]

I think the best thing to happen to Wayland in the past couple of months is that NVIDIA's Wayland issues have been slowly knocked off the board, and the huge blocker for Wayland support, explicit sync, should (fucking finally) be gone for good with the latest driver update! Finally, all of the backend work on NVIDIA firmware hasn't gone to waste...

[@BALLOOROOM]

Never heard of Hyprland, had a look, the dynamic tiling is awesome!

[@marschallblucher6197]

I honestly had no clue about any controversy until this video. Hyprland is definitely an amazing Wayland Compositor. Plenty of the Arch installation guide videos on YT I've seen also guide you on installing Hyprland.

[@no_name4796]

And it has basically everything you could ever need. Also the wiki is just top tier. The only reason to avoid hyprland is if it's not stable enough for your hardware, or if your distro is not rolling release

[@fedfer]

Yeah, it's so sad that the creator is such an awful person

[@gresss]

If you care more about good software than social media drama, Hyprland is well worth a look. It's pretty good.

[@007arek]

​@@fedfer great that it's just subjective opinion

[@hiru92]

why not use endeavouros rather than manjaro

[@dyenire]

true

[@marschallblucher6197]

Endeavor is also a lot closer to base Arch under the hood iirc.

[@Weezerfier]

Why use forks when you can use a real thing? I don't understand?

[@marschallblucher6197]

@@Weezerfier Better out of the box experience. Certain things might be easier on Endeavor or Manjaro than on base Arch. Plenty of reasons. It's a sorta middle ground between the hardcore DIY Arch and the easier user friendly distros.

[@thelakeman2538]

@@Weezerfier Mostly faster setup with decent defaults. Arch installation is a pain (I run a manually installed arch setup as my daily driver) and comes with bad defaults (getting a good kde setup is way more time consuming than it should be since arch provides no middle ground between a minimal setup with no kde apps and a fully bloated setup with all kde apps unless you manually select packages), even the archinstall script has its own issues. Meanwhile endeavour gives you a gui installer, fully functional desktop with good defaults, some helpful utils, etc, while running the arch repos.

[@coldReactive]

Flatpak is also criticized for having performance issues due to its sandboxing approach. If a program, such as Star Citizen, streams assets for instance, it needs constant write access, AT ALL TIMES, while the program is running, which is something a sandboxed app should never do. This will be the same for any other big program that needs a lot of write access, such as Steam or any of its programs.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Start each day right with a new Linux Experiment video!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Haha I wish I could do that 😂

[@Hyperboid]

@@TheLinuxEXP "But Doctor, I Am Pagliacci!"

[@funbucket09]

It is always, ALWAYS better to use the open sauce. keep the closed sauce fresh and sealed until the open sauce is finished :)

[@Daniel_VolumeDown]

I just watched Lundrake video about NixOS situation. Will there be video about it? The situation seems crazy to me. PS. idk who Lundrake is, The video just poped on my yt reccomendations.

[@FengLengshun]

I have not forgotten nor forgiven the Mr Robot fiasco with Mozilla. It was simply a betrayal that cuts too deep. A feature for testing experiment, that I kept enabled because I was a Mozilla fan who wants to see Firefox improved, only to be used to push scareware ads to me? No. I haven't forgotten, and with the things Mozilla keeps doing like their recent push into ads, their weird money and org structure, or just how far their stuff lags behind the competition unless an outside party like K9 or Ablaze comes in? No. They're not yet forgiven. Likely never will.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

Nyxt or Lynx browsers then or Google?

[@FengLengshun]

@@StephenMcGregor1986 I use a little bit of everything. Been enjoying Floorp for half a year now. Used Wavebox for a year before that. Still have Brave anf Thorium kicking around. Tried to use Vivaldi but the UX just didn't fit the way I use my browser. I still use Edge every now and then, acting as a sandbox for when I work with OneDrive/O365. I have a mix of Tor Browser, Mullvad Browser, and/or Ungoogled Chromium when I want to browse separately from any of my identities in other browsers.

[@BeefIngot]

The thing sbout firefox is thst they are just way too bloated. To afford that, they need to make big money, which currently only vomes from google. Firefox both needs to reduce headcount which I completely understand is a serious thing, and increase income. How does the FOSS community possibly except them to continue is what I always ask. Theyre between a Google and a Bankruptcy.

[@JuanFernandes-hj6rd]

​@@BeefIngotthey could always try to get Microsoft money in more quantity instead, and use Bing as the default search engine. Since there is no moral or practical difference between the lettera G and M, its only more money.

[@yavko]

Vaxry did not change the person's pronouns, it was a mod. And that blog post from Drew is full of outdated information.

[@BeefIngot]

Hes done far worse than was even covered in this video, so if people actually do look things up, they'll come away with a worse opinion, not better.

[@yavko]

@@BeefIngot give examples then

[@BeefIngot]

@@yavko Dude there are literally examples in this video

[@imide7225]

​@@BeefIngotthat's not the entire story too lmao apparently one mod said the wrong pronoun (he instead of she or whatever) and the mod rationalized saying "he is the default in this corner of the Internet" or smth along the lines of that. the trans person then purposely called the mod the wrong pronoun. then the renaming happened.

[@burdmate]

So Hyprland is anti-Woke? I don't even know what it is, but I'm loving it already! 😄

[@youtubehandlesux]

"Someone calling another person a "retard" shouldn't really be a big deal." --vaxry, developer of hyprland

[@Kieeps]

Will GrapheneOS get it's own episode? 😁

[@apollolux]

> Makes video about criticized Linux projects/entities > Doesn't mention systemd

[@EroFelipe]

Nice, Hyprland looks like a chad, That´s a project I would donate to.

[@bobmcbob4399]

Torvalds used to be "based" like that .... until the rainbow people got to him....

[@definitlynotbenlente7671]

@@bobmcbob4399 because eugenics and wanting to murder millions is apparently based these days

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@definitlynotbenlente7671 You mean like Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot actually did. 110 million. Nothing to sneeze at.

[@lmulling]

The main criticism for snaps is not the store, it's the format itself. In that, snap packages break what they package! Snaps also need a lot more infrastructure in the host system to even work properly, and "workarounds" to fix things that used to work, and now don't. Which create more points for failure and security issues. Not even enterprise level paranoia would justify sand-boxing every single application. If you cannot thrust your distribution to ship secure software, then what can you trust? How can you be sure that snaps/flatpaks themselves are not compromised? I don't understand why you and others blindly endorse things like snaps and flatpaks to an audience that is now alienated to what the concept of package and binary distribution is.

[@marianososa4309]

Hello! I enjoy your channel and your videos, but I would also appreciate seeing a video that focuses on the strengths of systems or programs rather than just their issues. Thank you for the interesting information!

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Don’t worry, I try to balance things out over time with more positive stuff!

[@jannuarytrash]

you could see any other video from this very channel instead. hope that helps!

[@CrafterAurora]

I use Ubuntu and I can run appimages out of the box no problem, I don't even think twice about it and never have had any issues with the file type. I don't remember installing any fancy libraries such as libfuse, so either I'm majorly forgetting something or what you said about appimages is slightly mistaken.

[@omninaut9579]

Despite its issues, I still think Appimage is superior to flatpak and snap. Being a community run project alone is a major benefit, but the platform itself is superior to me on its own merits. I wish it was more common

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

Reading this, I will say that I have never really used AppImage because it isn’t available on the GNOME Software app or the Discover app in Plasma. But, then again, I am admittedly a Fedora fanboy, so I definitely sometimes push Flatpak and RPM packages

[@hummel6364]

So what did those projects you covered respond with when you contacted them? I mean you must have contacted them, it's your journalistic duty after all.

[@taha-nw2ht]

after watching this video im going to try hyprland edit : i installed it beside kde just one word .. amazing

[@fedfer]

Why is that?

[@taha-nw2ht]

@@fedfer Curiosity come first , never tried using wm and the oth er obvious reason i like what piss people off

[@ArcLyn]

​@@taha-nw2htI'm sure you'll grow out of that mindset after you graduate middle school

[@taha-nw2ht]

​@@ArcLyn well am 23 sooo yeah not everyone have the mindset as you , each person have different believes grow up dude

[@henriquepicanco97]

​@@ArcLyn In 10 years' time, I hope he'll feel ashamed for thinking that. Time will tell.

[@smithrockford-dv1nb]

Regarding Appimages: the problem is probono. Not only does he sound dumb (libfuse fuss) but also arrogant (xorg fuss)

[@lenowoo]

Is there any flatseal equivalent for snap?

[@TheLinuxEXP]

I don’t know of any!

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

I honestly don’t really know how Debian and Ubuntu work, as I am mainly from a more Fedora and Arch background.

[@leonidas14775]

For portable apps, Appimages just don't have any advantages over a tar.gz file you extract to the /opt directory or keep on a thumb drive. At least those usually come with a readme file that gives some hint about dependencies I'll need to install.

[@abdullahzafar4401]

The main criticism is it being automatically installed again after removing it. That's putting your agenda above user's best interest, as snaps are slower to launch and increase boot time

[@Diablokiller999]

I highly doubt that people demanding Millions of USD annually steer the ship that much better than the average business economist - they all cook with water and read the same books written by the same couple of people.... Every company is a team, if you like it or not - paying one person way more means paying others less, since money is finite. Your detergency keeps your desk and workspace clean, so you can focus on coding, DevOps and other stuff? Then honor it by paying enough, so they can make ends meet and if you aren't in a position to decide that, help'em... Long story short - unionize!

[@nathanp3366]

In general, non profits are a racket in the US.

[@middle_pickup]

I don't know about Mozilla's comments to the matter, but I think people instinctively side against de-platforming because they're concerned it could happen to them. The problem is that there is a narrow margin for which de-platforming is actually necessary. We shouldn't be able to post material harming children, instructions to build objects that go boom, or statements which demand the breaking of the law. These ideas are not covered by free speech.

[@soccerbeast5529]

It's crazy, I always hear stories about Manjaro, but I've been running it for 6-7 years on both my work laptop and desktop, and dual booting it and Windows 11 on my gaming PC. I distro hopped for about a year before settling on Manjaro. Never had any issues with it and no complaints whatsoever.

[@hazajc10]

(Not a Manjaro user, so it would be informative to be corrected if I'm totally wrong, but:) I've heard that if you just use Manjaro's official repos, it's a much better experience. The problems apparently arise when you start using AUR packages since they are designed to work with Arch repos and since the Manjaro repo is somewhat more tested, things are released more slowly and this can break dependencies and stuff. I might be talking out of my arse. hahah

[@AyaWetts]

Manjaro runs great... never had any issues when I used it. Was simple, and easy and everything worked great.

[@SylveonMujigaeOfficial]

I am usually on the DNF/Pacman side of Linux, so the snaps aren’t a factor to me.

[@solarkiri]

I tried Hyprland out of curiosity back in February and liked it, but didn't like how much extra time was required to get it to a decent state, so I went back to a DE a few weeks later. Then the FDO stuff happened, and I became aware of the controversy around the lead developer. I haven't considered Hyprland since.

[@BeefIngot]

One of the few in this comment section that understands the problems with letting someone into a group/forcing others to have to work with someone who has proven themselves to be toxic and discriminatory. I suppose its possible the other people just support his behaviour, which is the vibe Im getting from a lot of the "but who cares" comments.

[@sylvercritter]

​@@BeefIngot fr

[@zekrinealfa1113]

If you are not going to use hyprland due to the view of Vaxry, you may as well stop using Linux entirely due to Stallman's views.

[@fakecubed]

@@BeefIngot Except none of that was true.

[@cavvieira]

Shoutout to Incus - an LXD fork by the LXC project.

[@MiukuMac]

I actively dislike Mozilla because their behaviour has been unacceptable for years now. Kicking a guy in the nuts for getting cancer was just like the latest in a long line of extremely scummy behaviour - can't say I'm surprised Firefox has been doing so badly and I doubt it'll get any better as long as the current management is at the helm, enjoying those nice 5-million-per-year-salaries and bonuses.

[@nox5555]

Firefox is only still around because of 3rd parties. the Browser will be gone the moment they lose ad blocker support.

[@BeefIngot]

Forefox only exists due to google. Its more likely they survive blocking ad block than losing google. Thats a problem.

[@zorg-in8423]

The most controversial thing in this video is pronouncing Mozilla as modZila

[@Some_Random_O_O]

lol

[@whiskytangofoxtrot_]

As someone who uses hyprland on a laptop and does pop into the community from time to time its just taboo to mention social issues. Generally though if you pop in and say "im having x problem and would like some direction on a solution" you will get helped. And I find that is more important than almost anything else. However, use what you want, theres a million choices for a reason!

[@mrkesu]

Weird video. I heard you didn't even reach out for comments so this is borderline reckless behavior.

[@Arnav404]

You are a mindful guy

[@luja805]

I was hoping to see some coverage on the NixOS situation, and the fall out of founding members due to the recent sponsorship with military defense. Or maybe this is business as usual(?)

[@AK-vx4dy]

With power comes resposbility if some has power to singlehandedly ban then becomes public person like politicians

[@RWebster325]

I have known for some time that things have been going backwards for a while. SNAP as a package manager is driving us backwards. Bigger is not better. Some people have forgotten why they switched to Linux or started with Linux to begin with. They are also forgetting that bloat is not a good thing. Being lazy is one thing, but taking my resources because of your laziness is quite another.

[@voidmind]

All the issues about Manjaro happened before I switched to Linux in 2021. I think it's time to give them a break, or find new things they have not done right.

[@doofus9007]

like shipping the crippled mesa driver :)

[@meowcula]

I'd talk about Manjaro, but then 50 teenagers will jump on me with long-since debunked talking points, despite them never having used Manjaro, nor even fact checked their own propaganda. I'll just go play some AAA games on my perfectly functional, 3-years-running Manjaro install, just like 13 million other people do, while their heads explode.

[@a.randomjack6661]

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves." -Many authors (about Mozilla segment)

[@scar6073]

Didn't pedo Gates had a similar plan in the 90s to Finance FOSS projects to make them dependent and then dump them?

[@XenHat]

1984 reference! I got the book for my birthday last year and I am slowly starting to read it. Very interesting book!

[@TheRollercoasterRide]

15:18 this is somehow a less coherent usage of the term than the typical shit these people say, which is impressive.

[@TheLinuxEXP]

Yep

[@Wampa842]

"Everything I dislike is woke!" cries the unjust man.

[@bobmcbob4399]

@@Wampa842 "Cries the COLONIST" don't you mean? lol

[@aricrudd6579]

Those poll results are wild, too. These people are nuts.

[@lucolesco]

It became a buzzword, basically.

[@jerameesikorski7519]

It's important to know the flaws of the things we favor, so thanks. I've talked to people who had dated criticisms of FOSS projects before, but I could only address them because I knew about them.

[@cgarzs]

LOL! I might switch to hyperland now. Sticking it to the virtue signalling fannies who overuse terms like bigot and fascist on a daily basis? Based. Hats off to them 🫡

[@tylerdean980]

Hyprland, finally a compositor for the everyman

[@danoblue]

The companies may have their issues, like most companies do, but I will continue to use their products if the issues don't become impossible to avoid. I prefer Firefox, but also use Waterfox and Brave. I've heard some negative comments about Snap, Appimages and even Flatpak, but I use all three for different reasons and haven't had any trouble. Really, there is so much choice in Linux that these problems don't really affect me as a user. Very informative video nonetheless.