Race, Brexit, and Islamism with Munira Mirza

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My guest today is Munira Mirza. Munira Mirza is a British public policy analyst and cultural commentator. She served as the Deputy Mayor for Education and Culture of London under Boris Johnson when he was mayor, and later served as director of The Number 10 Policy Unit under Johnson when he was prime minister.
In this episode, we talk about Munira's early days as a Marxist, her interest in art and museums, her views on Brexit, her views on multiculturalism in the UK, the Israel-Hamas war and Jihadism in general, and much more.
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[@KarenMahoney]

😊😊

[@KarenMahoney]

1:05

[@aaronbecherer7966]

Wow your talk on race is so refreshing. I grew up in the 80s but the same way you did. I didn't pay attention to the race of my friends they were just my friends. I'm really feel sorry for my 13 Year old son that is dealing with a whole different world today for the worse. I just bought your book!!

[@Amandabrown83]

Same

[@GoodLifeStudios402]

I am almost 28 years old and Ive grown up/lived in the Midwest. I just saw your appearance on “The View”. You handled yourself with an impressive amount of poise and grace. I just wanted to thank you for speaking (what I think is an obvious) with truth, logic, and empathy. I am happy to say I immediately bought your book and am excited to read it. I appreciate you for being an example of moral consistency in a time where it is scarce. Keep up the good work sir. 🤙🏼

[@deniseunknown4576]

Right!Y first time seeing him on there. I don’t watch the view (loser case on purpose because I find it to be a low quality show). However! Coleman absolutely rocked it! His demeanor was outstanding as they tried to bait him. Someone posted a clip on KZbin, that’s how I came across it. Well done sir!

[@fridaynightjams7049]

Thank you for such an engrossing and nuanced conversation. It was a welcome relief from the dogmatic, ideological rants that are so common online. Also, I was highly impressed by Munira. She strikes me as exactly the calibre of person that one would want to vote for to hold office in any capacity.

[@Hughesed]

Hello from Ireland Coleman, I enjoyed your appearance on ‘The View’ recently ☘️👍☘️

[@deniseunknown4576]

Same! Only I don’t watch the view. Someone put a clip on KZbin.

[@johnricercato740]

Munira Mirza has always seemed a very interesting individual: her political journey, intelligence and insights. And this interview fully confirms that. I hope we see more from her on YT.

[@UREMODEL]

I must add that your guest is unbelievably fair in her assessments on current events. I wish she was running for office in America. She is (no other word), awsome!

[@johnricercato740]

I wish she would stand in the UK - I guess she is too moderate for the currently very right-wing Tory Party, and too associated with Boris Johnson for Labour if she ever thought of joining them. Perhaps that’s the trouble in both countries: there isn’t enough space for intelligent, thoughtful pluralists any more. (By pluralists I mean those who understand there are many different perspectives on society from which one can choose elements; rather than getting stuck in simplistic binary thinking.)

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

The idea that the Conservative party is "too right wing" is striking. They have been the party of unlimited migration and the collapse of our institutions to the Woke revolutionaries.

[@sunnyla2835]

Coleman rocks! One of the very few independent , trustworthy journalists/writers, interested in truth, not spin, not narrative. Integrous, intellectually honest, thank you, Coleman🙏❣️

[@ai_com]

He seems quite uninformed on certain topics and repeats literal propoganda, unknowingly it would seem.,

[@nicholaslaport3354]

​@@ai_comsuch as?

[@deniseunknown4576]

I just fling him! Binging his show now!

[@McVet3]

Hello Brotha, I was introduced you recently and I love how you talk about race in our country. Ive been hoping to eventually find someone who can actually discuss the topic without being pc bc ive been raised by love since the get go. I grew up in South Philly and the Rodney king riots are some of the 1st events i remember having. I don't want to say to much without knowing you even read this. But the only way to get past is how you explained it, obviously i can tell you are black being fair no matter what and also realizing we are on this continent together and if we fully unite i mean all the way unstoppable. People want to be right about the past but give up a future for that.

[@deniseunknown4576]

❤

[@kimchimasala]

I am a Muslim in the west and I heartily praise munira and stand with her in condemning "islamism". There is room in western liberal societies for practicing muslims- however, fundamental islamism is simply not compatible with the values that we have all grown to appreciate. Also, totally agree with Coleman that Hamas in power is a major source of suffering of the people of Gaza.

[@sven_86]

exactly. I get along perfectly with muslims or folks of any faith that get this basic common sense thing.

[@green1880]

@kimchimasala - you are a kafir.

[@MP-ye6tv]

so appreciating this nuanced, intelligent conversation, this is sadly missing from so much of the public discourse on MM, thank you ❤

[@lordkimx]

Thank you for showing up on the view! Enjoyed it! 💪

[@deniseunknown4576]

Yassssss! Well done!

[@pe7143]

What you espouse is how both parties in my generation and that of my parents (I’m 62) in which being ‘colorblind’ wasn’t referring to our eyesight but rather to our hearts. My combat decorated Dad, eventually deceased of wound, said that “There’s no room for bigotry in foxholes and huddles (war and sports).” In my generation we didn’t give a damn about each other’s politics. We voted across the proverbial aisle without a blink. Moreover, as a teacher and coach I’ve witnessed firsthand that our student-athletes don’t give a damn what color the hand might be when we stack our hands one over the other in our huddles. And with our primary school kids they truly don’t care about or ‘see’ color until they’re shown or taught that race separates us. Hence, I just subscribed to your channel after hearing you on the Rogan episode. You’re intellectually objective and courageous morally.

[@AllenDickenson]

As usual every word has my undivided attention. The absolute best conversations ever, thank you Coleman!

[@MauricioHoffman]

One of the best conversations I have seen on your channel! Thank you

[@deniseunknown4576]

Wow. Just saw you on the view. Despise the view but my first time seeing you, someone on KZbin posted about you in their. I’m in awe of your intellect, calm demeanor while I feel you were being attacked on the view. You absolutely held your ground and frankly they looked ridiculous trying to corner you with their narrative. Anyway, about to binge your shows now! Thank you for being a voice of reason and truth!

[@prettyinpink84]

This is so healing to listen to, thank you. ❤

[@alexcool879]

You have a really good guest there

[@nbass5773]

Loved seeing you on the view! You were brilliant!

[@aironorphan]

Can you please start including chapters in your videos?

[@DLH.23]

The closest thing to "conservative" art is atelier type schools, where artists study figurative based work. These are schools that don't focus on degrees or identity politics, but rather on skillful drawing and painting, and a love of art history

[@jlanvers]

Coleman, the conservative art is in Utah. Utah has an incredible art scene, it started in artists' communes in Alpine. Now many LDS artists are very productive and very well supported by the community. Ironically I am not LDS myself but I have bought so much excellent local art that I have made many friends in that community.

[@BlemishToSociety]

Hello im a new fan after seeing the viral twitter clip explaining the gaza war on jre. Thanks for spreading truth bro. ✝️🇮🇱

[@loco_in_motion]

Enlightening as always, Coleman. You brought up a fascinating side thread about former marxists (I am one) that I hope you will explore more.

[@Catmac2000]

1:22:12 Munira is right. Now more than ever Britain needs good people to get into politics. Don’t let apathy or fear drive good people out. Speak up for what’s good and right for the future children of Great Britain.

[@UREMODEL]

I've had some disagreements with you, but I really am glad your out there. Your stances are honest and clear. Very refreshing. Thank you.

[@Geniere10]

I lost her when she said she was a proud Muslim & that it was a peaceful religion and that the radicalism came in due to the funding from the west. What bollocks. How do you explain the islamization of Spain, Mughal invasion of India, Armenian genocide, islamization of turkey and so much more from Islamic countries. Islam has always been a religion of violence. After all her claims of being a rational thinker, this to me is not entirely “rational” to not acknowledge the truth about the innate nature of Islam & to pin it on the west conveniently. And what does she mean by Muslims being sympathetic to the situation of Palestinians is understandable, even at the cost of what Hamas did? It’s just insane to even make such claims.

[@jacobmerlin1500]

The islamisation came through glorious wonderful and majestic conquest and holy Jihad Secondly we’re not a “peaceful religion” but a martial religion based on pragmatic realism

[@DaboooogA]

Great discussion thanks - great example of British intellect

[@teresalectar]

I was born in the late 70's, i grew up in a very diverse community, in the early 80's i was about 5 or 6 years old, i was shopping with my mother and i asked her for a black doll, i did not understand why all my dolls were white when not all of us were white. My mom told me to shush and in the early 80's if a parent would ask you to shush you would better do it. Was i being a racist? I probably did not even know what racism is by that age. Was my mom being a racist? I do not think so, she perhaps was just afraid of my comment offending someone. I think most of the issues there are nowadays are cultural and they pass from generation to generation, will that one day fade away? I would like to believe so. (she never gave me a black doll and i wanted it so badly i would have traded all my white dolls for a black one, eventually i had to give up).

[@nicholaslaport3354]

This is reminiscent of "I must see someone of my skin color in order to relate to them" It's like a protagonist in a film. Must they necessarily be my skin color in order for me to relate to them? I think not. This is the ideology of DEI and identity politics rearing its ugly head.

[@davidlamb7524]

Munira is more balanced than Coleman over Israel/Hamas. He seems to think Israel have the higher moral ground -maybe that's true but he is basing it on some fictions eg only Hamas would target civilians. (!?) He follows the Israel government narrative that always wants to focus on October 7th as if this happened in isolation. Btw I don't defend Hamas at all. I do view them as Islamist terrorists. And I usually agree with Coleman on most issues.

[@alistaircroll1036]

Couldn’t have said it better

[@davidlamb7524]

@@alistaircroll1036 Thanks !

[@suvariboy]

I agree!

[@alistaircroll1036]

Munira is being unbelievably naive. She fundamentally doesn’t understand what is happening to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. You don’t have to be a supporter of Hamas to understand resistance can sometimes be murderous. Differenciate between bombs blowing children to pieces and the horrible attacks by Hamas. I like both Coleman and Munira . But Coleman please , settlement’s on the West Bank is a major issue . Please do some research on life in the West Bank … There are plenty of people on the right who are very critical of this massacre of civilians not just the left.

[@mirarstudios]

I just want to say thankyou for disadvantaged people of every race everywhere. You are speaking common sense but you are someone people will listen to.

[@JoshortizXLB]

This is fantastic! I totally agree. an interesting thing to consider: imagine a non-asian American being born and growing up in a country like Taiwan. That American taiwanese person would be constantly asked. Why is your Chinese so good? Simply based on the way he or she looks. Despite that person having grown up and gone to school with all of the other Asian Taiwanese people, they are still considered different because of the way they look. That would become very annoying and exhausting and these problems come from the fact that people place so much value and make assumptions based on the way someone looks.

[@LorePetter]

Thanks for having such an honest, wise and intelligent conversation on these topics.

[@NM-qo6cd]

Coleman, very strange to not inform your audience the actual NAME of “the conference” you two spoke about.

[@diilouise]

This is a good discussion around an ability to converse, rather than saying what is (politically) correct. I guess it is challenging me to be respectfully courageous in conversations with others.

[@yiminyu7131]

That was very insightful

[@pe7143]

Damn good episode I’m watching. I dig what this young woman describes….

[@1speakeasy]

Group identity focused clans have yet to realise the inherent racism they are acting out in judging ppl by the colour of their skin etc. If you see a black man/ white man, unless you speak to him , only judging him by his pigmentation it would not tell you; Where his is from, the country, the continent. His language. His likely religion. His culture. Very little. Good ppl imo already instinctively judge ppl on their individual character. I don't know your history and if you think you know someone by some immutable trait you have not experienced life enough to know that thru meeting a myriad of individuals there is every kind of everyone. We should embrace this mixing and diversity of character but it is idiotic to judge by race etc.

[@aldoe2975]

And people like you pretend all racism is imagined.

[@brek5]

@@aldoe2975 What? That doesn't follow. BUt I was just thinking while Coleman was talking, what if I said, "He's my favorite black podcaster"? That's so stupid to say. I don't watch him or not watch him because he's black/Puerto Rican, whatever. This woman is close in skin color to me, actually, and it doesn't make me like her any more or less. That's the real retrograde thinking.

[@0xCAFEF00D]

@@aldoe2975 You really can't tell if someone thinks all racism is imagined without them telling you. I bet OP doesn't. It's a very niche view. We could try to infer from him watching this channel, that he's supporting colorblindness like Coleman. And there's a case to be made that that's racist because it thinks of minorities positions as being 'good enough' to receive just general support. Clearly 'good enough' isn't necessarily equal though.

[@lorileifer613]

When gentiles (especially young gentiles of color and clearly future leaders) show that they have done their homework about Israel/Palestine it literally allows me to sleep at night. Bless you CH and MM!!

[@hollynonya6991]

Jews from Europe do NOT belong in the middle east You can disagree with Islamic ideology AND Zionism at the same time

[@evelynmccabe3855]

This is a most interesting conversation. I have been wondering for some time about why left politics have gone down the road of identity politics.

[@alexpaun7384]

Beautiful studio.

[@NissmahRoshdy]

Coleman i am curious why you're mentioning the people killed by hamas and not even mentioning the more than 30 thousand Palestinian civilians murdered by Israel bombs, why are you choosing to sympathize and emphasize the attacks on one group of ppl? This conflict has nothing to do with Islamism or antisematism or hamas sympathizers in colleges, you need to educate yourself and research more on zionist history of ethnic cleansing and its political and colonial purporses. I am guessing Munira is not informed on the subject either nor aware of the death polls on each side.

[@Skedooosh]

Interesting discussion but I do have to disagree about the point, which was brought a lot in different conversations, that the Arabs refused the deal. Why they refused?

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Because they didn't want to concede any land on principle.

[@THECHARGEwithDennisMetzler]

Coleman, great show but don't touch the mic.

[@jdankerdake]

“Coconut”… I’d never heard that one. The Tropics version of “Oreo.”

[@cornileusweatherford1910]

Coleman Cruz (his real name ) who is Puerto Rican does NOT speak for Foundational Black Americans.

[@krisspinden]

I agree with almost all of the views presented here. However, I don't agree that voting with the thought in mind to allow more immigrants enter our country is a vote against democracy. My view is to have a path for these immigrants, to have compassion for their phight. This does not mean I want uncontrolled chaos at the border, or for the southern states to take the brunt of the load that it takes to find programs and help for these immigrants. If they do take the brunt, they should be compensated.

[@mbb3957]

Interesting discussion

[@FactCheckerGuy]

The guest is way off base with the comment on unpaid internships. The cost of doing an unpaid internship for a few months is trivial compared to the benefits derived. And -- yes -- even immigrant families can spare a few months of a part-time, entry-level salary. Internships are just another excuse to whine about someone else's advantages. I work in an industry -- definitely not the arts -- in which we used to have college kids in for a few months to learn about what we do. The interns weren't really of much help, but would sometimes do some semi-useful busy-work. Now we are not allowed to have interns unless they get college credit -- which can be difficult to arranged -- so no one benefits but everyone is equal in not learning about the industry. Yay!

[@OhioVworld]

I don’t agree at all. Not every person can give up pay for months at a time. Kids with daddy’s Amex certainly can do that. It’s definitely a ridiculous system that favors the rich.

[@betha8021]

I signed up as a supporter and expected link to purchase signed book- but that did not happen What should I do to get link?

[@Beretta249]

Conservative art is found in churches.

[@herbsu4330]

I wonder what guilt trip is pushing UK tv shows to rewrite history with Black characters inserted into most unlikely roles.

[@lonecandle5786]

The people don't vote on agreements made with other countries or on how many people illegally enter a country in a year. That doesn't make such events or action undemocratic. Even in a fully democratic country, most things that happen are not controlled by a vote, and leaders once elected, have to take a lot of actions, like agreeing to arrangements with foreign countries, that are not subject to a vote of the people.

[@lonecandle5786]

Most things should be out of democratic control because most things should happen organically in society.

[@ianelliott8224]

Wierd how they seem to be talking about Identity politics as if its in the past tense when we're already 90% of the way towards becoming Canada.

[@kevinboone2178]

The genesis of "identity politics" in the United States involves European Americans, perpetrators and bystanders, and persists. It enabled the genocide of Native Americans, slavery in the original 13 English colonies and some American states (particularly in the South), produced segregation, used physical and psychological warfare to ensure the ADOS* lineage would never be collectively self-determined, and allowed the sociopathic Donald Trump to be elected a president and force promoting the dimunition of the U.S. Constitution and American Democracy, for example. *ADOS, American Descendants of Slavery

[@alesjanosik1545]

Right wing/traditional artists surely exist - I am just making my art as I am listening to this. The issue is that my pieces are not political so people know about my opinions only when they speak to me.

[@MrNiuj]

Shame you didn't go into her record working for the hopeless Boris Johnson.

[@User-hy6ur]

Is she on social media?

[@alexcool879]

This is the first muslim i saw that speaks the truth about the matter.

[@twerkysandwich64]

It’s super rare

[@luckystarship2275]

You've never heard of Salman Rushdie, I suppose. @@twerkysandwich64

[@johnricercato740]

@@luckystarship2275Good point. And the hard life he has had to live since the Satanic Verses - including the horrific recent attack - certainly tells us much about Islamist tolerance and peacefulness. (You would have thought that a self-confident religion sure of its theology could take some criticism without resorting to hysteria and violent outbursts……)

[@paulheydarian1281]

I'm sure Coleman is a nice guy, but he's got a strange definition of the world. Fortunately, not everything that happens in the Anglo-Sphere has an impact on the rest of the world.

[@user-io3jp1xj6g]

Hey Coleman, will you translate the book to Hebrew? 😅

[@mikesiddiqtownes1518]

minute 1:11:25 "The verses of the Quran they interpret literally, it says fight the Jews" ... I've been a revert to Islam since I was a teenager. The Quran has 30 sections. For many years I have read 1 section of the Quran everyday, which means I read the entire Quran every month, both in Arabic and English. I've never come across a verse that says "Fight the Jews". On the other hand, I have ready many verses calling for good relations with "the People of the Book", which are the Jews and Christians. The prophet who mentioned by name the most in the Quran is Moses, peace be upon him. So this is a false narrative any Muslim group has inherent hatred for Jewish people.

[@johnricercato740]

The Shias do - it is part of their ‘end of times’ narrative, along with the appearance of the Twelfth Imam…..

[@blugreen99]

The Quoran has over 100 verses saying to kill the Jews. Sheik Quradawi called for asecond holacaust against the Jews to br carried out by Arabs.

[@green1880]

Munira is a kafir and a fraud.

[@gerarddearie-zd2gb]

No man is an island unless his name is "Little Old England"

[@JodiGirl-22]

When you embolden youth toward activism without first educating them, then they will support things like Hamas without thinking critically about it.

[@narinderchander]

Foolish comment about EU forcing legislation on Britain: Parliament is and has always been supreme for Britain. Nothing is law until passed by parliament.

[@nickt2822]

Thank you. I was about to say the same thing. It's like she has no idea what the EU is and how it works. Farage was an EU parliamentarian ffs.

[@alistaircroll1036]

Yes. Correct . How democratic is the House of Lords for example?

[@realMaverickBuckley]

Ya know whats funny... the morning of the Brexit vote, pur local shop keeper who is an Iraqi Muslim immigrant, asked me what i was voting. When i told him i really didnt know, he basically gave me a speech that the media would tell you that indigenous Brits would be saying. 'Ya gotta have control of your borders, the housing problem is caused by too much immigration, its known in the middle east that its easy to get into Europe and the UK etc and he even said if we dont leave in 15 years well be getting a million a year in. Looks like even he was underplaying it. 😅 But the people who i found were extremely anti Brexit were muddle class indigenous Brits. The media ... is just.. i dunno. I think they just say what they *want* to be the case.

[@hollynonya6991]

Why are people so obsessed with the blood over the spirit?

[@alexiamunizb]

I’m a fan Coleman !…JP has some insights to share around the tendency of artists being left-leaning. Has something to do with personality trates, and generally speaking higher levels of openness and creativity correlating less with conservative thinking…Not to say that conservatives can’t be creative or open. But I guess you need these levels to be extremely high to embrace art as your lifestyle. Totally with you on how sad the current sate of the arts is. So much propaganda instead of critical thinking and mystery. I’m always wondering what the deal is with KZbin and your videos , the number of likes makes no sense based on views and followers you have.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

The business self selects for approved political expression.

[@teresabenson3385]

I think a lot of us who follow him don't watch these longer podcast videos, or just watch the first few minutes.

[@Eneroi]

How does Hamas do anything with blockade? You say it’s complicated as a cop out. All you said mostly is a propaganda spewed by Israel. You need to speak to scholars who are well versed in the topic of Palestine/Israel.

[@jaklinhyde]

Would be surprised if they smashed afterwards 😂😂

[@bigm317]

I hate the word islamism stop blaming Islam for the bad people within , so many Muslims want to immediately denounce bad things that happened but when u blame Islam it feels impossible, a smart leader could literally drive the conversation in the western Muslim world so easy towards understanding the main point 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@MP-ye6tv]

I’m in no position to agree/disagree, however why then is moderate Islam almost silent in denouncing ‘the bad people within’?

[@PMMagro]

Islamism means an extreme movement/form of religious worship mixing religion/politics etc. The problem is that it gets intentionally mixed up with muslims and islam not the word. It is a problem that islamism does exist just like zealot christians, hindus etc etc.

[@ltmund]

Completely agree. You have identity politics to thank for that. Islamism isn't being a Muslim. Its the ideology that everyone, every nation, everything should be Islamic.

[@vijilant]

​​@@PMMagro at the same time it helps to understand that Islam, Christianity etc are not equivalent. They teach very different things and have very different theological traditions. It's worth reading the Quran and Hadith when it comes to their views on Jewish people, bearing in mind that later passages are considered to override or "abrogate" earlier ones according to their scholarship. It soon becomes apparent (if you've also read the Bible) why strictly observant Christians and strictly observant Muslims tend to act differently.

[@victorferguson874]

So, yeah, I imagine myself being a moderate Muslim and putting star of David in my yard or walking down the street with a pro-Isreal sign. I surely would not feel threatened by the prospect of other Muslims knowing my views. Well...maybe a little.

[@Tony-Taslud]

You've lost all credibility. Your vids are all opinion-laced and void of any research on the subjects you speak about. Pretty sad.

[@Ryanfromwinnipeg]

Do you know what a podcast is? Also - why do you care so much?

[@Tony-Taslud]

@@Ryanfromwinnipeg because his opinions (that are void of the backing of research) are adopted by his followers and are in some cases harmful to groups of people.

[@victorferguson874]

Let me help you--"Coleman has lost all credibility with Tony-Taslud and others who think like him."

[@CplBaker]

Anecdotes aren't facts. I am glad you have stories that hold up your narrative but in reality talking like this is more destructive than helpful. There's a reason why racists love this type of talk because it allows them to join the conversation and say "Yes please I agree make color invisible". Thanks for trying to hold up the status quo Coleman. I mean why are people acting like this is a new idea. It isn't and there's a reason it doesn't stick.

[@joebob-p3z]

"We should get away from talking about race as a society" *builds entire career and writes books talking about race*

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Soaring stupidity. Our institutions are captured by extremist race ideology - but it's Coleman who is the problem a. For noticing and b. For not keeping his mouth shut.

[@johnricercato740]

@@offshoretomorrow3346Excellent comment, and I loved ‘soaring stupidity’!

[@Actuary1776]

The degree to which you try and mimic Sam Harris is cringeworthy.

[@jsg9575]

I think that's just how he speaks...

[@-cc9ye]

What a compliment

[@Actuary1776]

@@jsg9575 It’s not. I mean I get why someone would want to emulate Harris but it’s too much.

[@texasred1894]

Im not sure i see it

[@-cc9ye]

@@texasred1894 it's not there that's why, the OP probably is imagining things most likely because their YT diet isn't very diverse

[@MrChuckwagon55]

Most regular working class Muslims from my experience just want a regular simple peaceful life like everyone else. Have a job, love their family, and just enjoy life. Unfortunately the bad guys often blackmail the good Muslims with blackmail via threats to their family or fake honor killings to force them to do their political bidding.

[@chief_9938]

too bad maslims don't have those good Christians and Jewish politicians who love lives

[@MrChuckwagon55]

1:12:10 - she alluded to the true answer, but wouldn’t say out of fear just like I wouldn’t.