The Dreaded HEMI TICK.. How bad is it and should you reconsider buying a Mopar?

[@Each1Teach1BuildMany]

Man that intro hits different now. RIP DMX

[@brandonrogers5207]

I asked this question literally a week ago. Glad im getting my question answered so quickly in video format.

[@RacerX9]

Glad to help

[@RonnyPeranni]

@@cbrturbo72 It was enlightening to see oil fall to ground if you pour it out of can ?

[@PRTube01]

@@RacerX9 why not just deactivate mds with a tuner device?

[@BVInAZ]

From someone who just had to have their 3.5L Ecoboost completely torn apart and repaired due to bad phasers and timing tensioners... I feel your pain Hemi folks.

[@denniss5512]

Good topic tonight. Proper oil viscosity is critical. So many people think the 0-30 spec is "too thin" and run thicker oil. Bad move with the MDS system. Several videos on youtube show the failed lifters as well as how to check the MDS valves and VVT for debris. The factory service bulletin says if there are metal shavings in the MDS vavle the motor is toast. Big thing is to catch it early. Like tooth cavities, ignoring it gets painful.

[@RollinIsbell]

Another spot-on video from RacerX. Thanks! I've had 4 vehicles with the 5.7 Liter (345ci) HEMI Engine and 1 vehicle with the 6.4 Liter (392ci) HEMI Engine. The 5.7s all had the MDS system and easily traveled over 250,000 miles combined with zero HEMI ticks. My 2015 SRT 392 has a 6-speed so it doesn't have MDS and only has 29,700 miles on it, but also doesn't suffer from the HEMI tick. Perhaps, in part, because they all received regular oil changes with Full Synthetic engine oil and "better" oil filters.

[@arkansasturin8144]

Bro is that possible that non MDS 6.4 wont have same parts and wont have engine ticks? I am rlly curious

[@RollinIsbell]

@@arkansasturin8144 I haven't had the HEMI tick in any of my Dodges. I think using a quality oil and changing on (or ahead of) schedule minimizes the chance of having lifter problems. It's worked for me. But ... IF ... the problem is the lifters in the MDS equipped cars, then the non-MDS cars (the ones with a manual transmission or the MDS has been turned off via tuning) whether they're a 5.7 or 6.4, should have fewer problems.

[@arkansasturin8144]

@@RollinIsbell thx for info. I found on another channel that it may be with the oiling of the cam and guy (he said he was a dodge engineer but who knows) said that high volume oil pump may help. He said on idling oil dont have enough pressure. So if you dont idle much and change it as you said often, it may be the best solution without adding anything new to car.

[@lirej2307]

@@RollinIsbell you do suggest using a different oil then the recommended oil given ? because I’m planning on getting the Charger rt 5.7

[@CDalonzo]

What oil are you using?

[@johnmichael9354]

You should definitely make a video of your 6.4 on idle and say if it’s normal tick or not. So we can compare it to our hemis. Would totally appreciate it💯

[@charlesstepinski9327]

Check out the KZbinr REIGNITED. the hemi tick video. 5 months ago. He recommends changing out the oil pump on the 6.4 / 5.7 to the hellcat one. It issue is OIL VOLUME. over time with higher miles on these motors wears down on the cam. He's a dodge mechanic for over a decade

[@alphadriver104]

​@charlesstepinski9327 I appreciate the recommendation, hard to find people that actually know and explain what they are doing on these cars

[@saj4680]

@@charlesstepinski9327 i know your comment is old, but here to remind everybody that melling released a more efficient high volume oil pump. it's a lot better than the hellcat's, getting 20-25% more volume being pumped to the top end compared to the hellcat's 10-15% increase. this is also info from reignited and he has a video on it. go to summit racing equipment and search up 10452HV.

[@Bcr3106]

There is a tick sound from the pushrod engine, though. There is a definite difference between the problems that you are describing and the regular tick. I had a 2012 5.7 Charger and it failed from the lifter issue and the tick was so loud it sounded like an exhaust leak. My hellcat ticks but its very soft and only at idle.

[@RacerX9]

Yes the hellcat does not have the MDS lifters .. completely different sound

[@laszlogaspar1244]

@@RacerX9 thanks god

[@itsNOTluck5.7]

same i have a 2012 ram1500 5.7 and i also had the lifter problem now it only ticks at idle

[@kd-jj1rn]

And the 6-speed manual 5.7 do not have MDS either so does this mean the manual cars do not have the lifter issues? I would absolutely love if somebody would give me some information on this

[@Bcr3106]

@@RacerX9 I did so much research before buying my cat ... Including watching your channel. I bet these motors are going to around for a long time. Longer than the dodge body will hold up 🤣

[@Robert49744]

Love your content Racer X don’t know how I found you but happy I did .

[@RacerX9]

Much appreciated my friend.. glad your here

[@treysolo8726]

The biggest reason I watch your videos if for non-biased advise, it doesn't matter what it is. I know if I'm watching you I'm getting reliable-researched advise Keep up the great work boss been watching you for years on several different KZbin channels all way primo information.

[@dksob81]

Just want to make a point of this. I am an ASE Certified Master Automotive Technician, of 18 years. I drive a 2016 RAM 2500 Laramie 6.4L, the recommended OFL interval is 10k miles. I change my oil every 5k miles. I use only AMSOIL Signature 0w40. Today, 02/22/2021, I developed a lifter tick. I have replaced dozens of Lifters & camshafts, on hemis, due to bad lifters or the rollers on the lifter seizing & wiping out the cam lobes - I always thought it was due to customers not changing their oil regularly enough and going 10k miles between changes which I have always thought was asinine!!!! Well, here we are.

[@Mattthew1]

Just joined the mopar family! Finally getting my blacktop package R/T Saturday. Been wanting one for so long. Definitely will be looking out for this issue, big fan of the channel by the way🙌🏼

[@RacerX9]

Thank you Matthew

[@benjamindavis9063]

Yes I went through this with my 2013 Srt8... The 6.4 motor lifters went out had metal shavings in my oil... In shop now getting engine beef up putting blower on it now.. can't wait to get it back its been five months

[@hemiboy9860]

i shot a bearing on my 6.1 but it was due to a bad oil pump

[@sethwhitmer7496]

So a super,turbo,procharger over spray? I got a 2020 Challenger Scat Pack and trying to find help with which direction to go to make it a 700HP car for cheaper than a new Hellcat

[@benjamindavis9063]

Seth you should look into purchasing the Hellion twin turbo system it will give your Scat anywhere from six hundred to 2000 more horsepower

[@benjamindavis9063]

@@sethwhitmer7496 you should try looking into the Hellion twin turbo system setup it will give you a Scat Pack anywhere from six hundred to 2000 more horsepower look into it bro

[@lr43068]

About 4 months ago, my 392 srt8 started ticking. A week later I started to get misfires and it was throwing p0300 codes. I took it into a dealership; they pulled the oil control valve and it was sprinkled with metal shavings. They did a teardown and said I needed a new long block and rebuild costing $12k! Fortunately I bought the warranty when I bought the car. FCA approved the replacement and the dealership did the work in about 3 weeks. I got the car back with a new long block and all I had to do was baby it for 500 miles. It runs great now! The only change in my driving habits is, since I have an automatic, I drive only with the autoshifter(to keep it out of mds mode)and do all my shifts manually and I don't leave it idling while parked. I love my dodge challenger. It is so much fun to drive and my wife loves it too! RaceX, I love the channel and keep up the good work!

[@dragvan1937]

We had a 2018 5.7 charger traded in with 75,000 miles with the tick noise. I told the manager that it was a problem and to wholesale it. But he wanted to keep it. When I changed the oil I saw the last oil change sticker on the windshield. It had gone 11,000 + miles sense the last oil change. But only 2.5 months. The oil was black and it looked like it had a little sparkle in it. I thought about cutting the filter open. They said no will sell who ever buys it a warranty. 45 days later and 3,000 miles the motor locked up. Lucky the guy had warranty. Dodge put in a new engine. He only paid his 100 dollar deductible.

[@RacerX9]

Wow.. glad he bought that warranty

[@quorthunsargeras7054]

@soldierofliberty Nah, they got a brand new engine for $100. Pretty good deal imo. It's got a much longer end of life now.

[@morallyemptycorruptedmaggot]

@soldierofliberty yeah bro it worked out

[@ericnunez3316]

@@quorthunsargeras7054 $100 plus the price of the warranty. Still not bad tho

[@dragvan1937]

@@ericnunez3316 the warranty was in the deal. At our cost supposedly . That's what the manager said to me. But I also don't know what he payed for it and the dealerships profit on it.

[@EJ-V8Bikes]

Good insightful video! I owned a 2008 Charger SRT8 with a 6.1 liter Hemi. It had a Hemi tick. The dealership said it was normal. Whether they were right or wrong, I had my SRT8 for 3 years and no engine issues.

[@TheRobertjay63]

Mine had a hemi tick in my 392. At 49000 miles the engine has to be replaced

[@pepOnshow]

my father had a 70 hemi cuda and he loved that car, he always said to me if you want a muscle car, take care of it, change the oil, and everything within the engine, you take care of the car the car will take care of you 99% of the time, he passed away in 2017 and left me the hemi cuda, and to this day it feel like a brand new car, only 66000 miles on it, i also take care of my 5.7 hemi challenger i know it's not the fastest but it does beat a lot of manual v8 and some imports but i always check everything on the engine and never fail to change the oil every 5000 miles sometimes 4500 no problems with my challenger so far, its a 2018

[@jimsperlakis5634]

Very good explanation of the tic problem, both. As a lifetime mechanic and gearhead, I cringe when they try to tell you to go 10k miles on the oil. Your 5k mile is ok but pushing it. Should go with 3k if you're serious about pushing the engine. Watch the pressure gauge. Some engines have lower pressure that's why I never use 0w anything! 5w30 regardless of what's called for.

[@rodneyhirsch2340]

Another KZbin said this. 5- 30 ended all tick. Sync of course.

[@scottsigmon926]

I fell into that 2-5% category!!!! My 5.7 Jeep Grand Cherokee had 140k before the lifter failure and wiped out the camshaft!!!! It also had the exhaust manifold leak as well!!! After 9k later, it really runs great now with loads more power thanks to the guys at MMX for the MDS delete and custom grind comp cam and Hellcat lifters and oil pump and the comp cams valve spring kit and I hand ported the heads and intake and throttle body. I also upgraded to the SRT8 Jeep exhaust manifolds

[@nathantimm8909]

I have seen in the last few days other videos about this and have looked into it. I own a 2015 Ram 2500 6.4l and a 2020 scat pack shaker. Some of those videos and stories I read scared the crap out of me at first. But you're right Racer X, REGULAR MAINTENANCE goes a loooong ways. And it's not just with oil changes but trans and dif services as well. Driving these performance cars are extremely fun, maintenance can be expensive. But it's necessary for the longevity, safety and resale value of the car. We spend a lot of $$ for these cars and all the mods we put on them. So looking at what it would cost you to repair/replace lifters and cam ($3000-5000) an $80 dollar oil change every 3500-4000 mile is totally worth it! Trans service every 30,000 $140 +/-. Plus there are some really great fluid additives you can add in for a couple bucks for added protection. I think the ones that fail (2-5%) are due to lack of maintenance. Running them low/empty of fluid and not changing the fluids regularly. And I NEVER go by with what the vehicle tells me, that oil life indication/gauge. I change it at least every 4000 even with synthetic oil. I've had several 20 year plus dealership mechanics tell me that the cars with a regular 3 to 4000 mile oil change, synthetic or Conventional rarely come in for any kind of engine issues or failures. Just my thoughts on all this. Great vids X! Enjoy them all. Keep up the good work and info!

[@khronin]

I posted above you the problem I see.Many dodge owners--many younger ones get in over their head and then do not have the money for maintenence and premium gas and changing the oil sooner since those same guys are dogging the shit out of them everywhere.Almost half if not more of Dodge SRTs at the car meets I goto have bald or balding tires--I see them putting normal gas in them also.I am wealthy enough to afford one but I chose an AWD Stinger--because it is as fast in a str8 line as the American V8s--has a 10 year warranty and gets much better fuel mileage. The insurance is also way cheaper because SRTs wreck a lot and get stolen in the top 3 of cars. I was going to get a Jeep SRT--but dodge would not give a longer warranty and basically said exactly what I posted--that the customer base abuses the cars is why they break down--it is that and spotty reliability--also the MPG over a weekend was at 10 mpg and it was DRINKING premium fuel.I would buy an AWD chrsyler or charger SRT--but only with AWD--longer warranty and under 60k.Dodge lo gives one of the lowest on trade ins--but wants max price for their cars.

[@ronaldc.4047]

I work at the dodge dealership and I work on a cam and lifter job literally every week in the 5.7. Never had a 6.4 yet. I get just as many exhaust manifold ticks as well... the last only I did had 1 lifter fail and it was rough and didn’t even rotate anymore. And the cam lobe had a deep groove carved in it...

[@cbjones8634]

Hey Ronald c. about how much did either of those jobs cost

[@fairfax_fran5109]

On what particular year?

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

My 2021 GT is Ticking and two different Dealership told me it was normal.

[@rachelynn3079]

@@jeffreyzabawski4862 I have a '14 V6 that was ticking. Two different dealerships told me it was normal too. I ended up taking it to a friend of a friend and had the lifters replaced.

[@scottyk5627]

Always enjoy your videos sir! I have discussed the "hemi tick" with the lifter/valve train engineer at corporate (where I work). Internal research showed no correlation with MDS lifters. The problem is with regular maintenance and proper oil used. The new vehicles that tick from the dealer at new can develop an air pocket in the lifter from short run time moving the vehicle around the lot an shutting it down...and there is a bulletin that addresses this.

[@evelynlopez669]

SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING CORPORATE WOULD TELL THE CONSUMER LOL

[@ryanfuelling1983]

My 2006 ram 5.7 has had a tick since day one and it has 151k miles on it now and my 2018 392 challenger has the hemi tick as well and your explanation is perfect!! Hemis are awesome motors!

[@swagkidm10]

Which tick the first ir second one?

[@pudgy1828]

Thank you for the information. I just bought a scatpack widebody 2 days ago

[@hatchlivesmatter2297]

It's 2 am and my Honda is parked outside, yet here I am... Something about informative and engaging automotive content i just can't discriminate, dude! Tight work 😅🤫

[@mileslynch]

Hemi’s are reliable, no vehicle is perfect

[@RacerX9]

This is very true

[@Elsa-rq2ty]

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[@giantemufasah651]

No lies here 🙏🏾👍🏾

[@mileslynch]

@@giantemufasah651 it’s just not true when people call Mopar unreliable now just a stereotype

[@stegofuego1285]

Scotty Kilmer begs to differ

[@julianf40ify]

Currently my 2017 scat charger with 67k miles is running very well and steady so far so good 🤞thanks for the info RacerX

[@RacerX9]

Good to hear brother

[@revtimewest]

This can happen with or without MDS. The roller lifter tip is the same. I have seen both fail. Lifters were upgraded with better roller bearings around 2016.

[@sophiabranam6875]

Ive read the later part of 2017 they fixed the lifter issue.

[@panama2500]

I have a 2015 m6 rt and i have tick, getting a stroker next year...

[@Savii-Jo]

I’ve noticed in the community that people thrash on their 5.7 and are lazy about maintenance and then call these motors unreliable once it gets the tick....yikes. Great informative video though! 🙏🏽

[@khronin]

When I goto meets I cringe at what Dodge owners do.Pretty sure most finance and then do not have the money to maintain these--all while dogging them everywhere they go.I see many with bald or balding rear tires--not going to do a 4 second 60 with anything less then new tires and warm flat pavement.I also see many with the 392 putting normal gas in them instead of premium. One guy recently had no tag on the back--I thought it is because he street races--yeah he does that but said he has no tag cause he could not afford the tag and registration--I mean if you can not afford to own one and maintain it--and then not maintain it and dog an already spotty reliable car--folks are setting up for a disaster.I have an AWD StingerI own it--have dragged it--but I maintain it at the dealer--use premium gas and do not race evryone that comes to a stoplight--with AWD it hooks up so good that i can dust most cars off from a dig anyway.I was also paired with American V8s at the ast drag--have the videos and was fasster then 80% of them because they could not hook up--balding tires and sure some had regular fuel--then wonder why they run a 13 plus 1/4 mile and come nowhere near the magazine times.I beat the magazine time in my stinger--a 12.7--with no launch control.

[@dd-ze6xk]

I just did an oil change at 3k miles wirh high mileage and Lucas and 3 days later I got the tick , I don’t think maintenance matters to much even if you don’t do it

[@dr.venkman8342]

Great video ! My last Challenger was a 13 RT, and it started the Hemi Tick after the dealership for their hands on it and improperly changed the oil. That being said, it was the lifters and sounded exactly as you described. Since i recently got a 20 Scat Pack hoping to not have any issues with this one. However this one is brand new and I am keeping a very close eye on it. Love this channel and your videos. Always great info !

[@cdktaekwon-doclubculebra1627]

Any issues?

[@SGTEdwards2008]

As a owner of a 2015 Charger Scat Pack with 96K miles there's 3 things that helped my 6.4L engine to keep it clean: 1 - Oil catch can (get this as soon you get the car, there's a lot of oil that gets back to the intake from the EGR) 2 - K&N air Filter (for those who got the car with no cold air intake) 3.- Engine Intake cleanup Service every 50K miles (I did mine at 80K, should done it sooner) As of now no Ticks, around 60-70k miles I rarely noticed knocking on cold idling but went away as the engine warms up it completely went gone as I got the intake cleaned and the spark plugs replaced around 80k miles. I kept the car with the scheduled oil changes with the dealer although the other recommended services such as differential oil change and Intake cleanups were done later as some of them are not cheap but as long you have your trusted mechanic they're totally worth it. People think new cars can run without maintenance and never want to spend a dime on them until they break, all of them need to be maintained. In my Family I've driven Fords, Chevy's, Honda's and Toyota's and all of them let us down the road, the two cars that I actually Owned: 2001 Chrysler 300M during the recession and my 2015 Charger after the recession and have never let me down the road, and I made sure to maintain them in good shape as I could.

[@thelizardman9166]

I appreciate you postin this ima try to maintain mine the same way when i get one

[@bongslaw23]

How much does that catch can install cost? & does any automotive shop can install it ? Also what kind of oil should I use ?

[@SGTEdwards2008]

@@bongslaw23 As for Oil I kept using the Pennzoil W0-40 and mopar oil filter for my 6.4L V8 in order to stay in line with the extended warranty. Since now my warranty expired last month I plan on using Royal Purple W0-40 HMX High Mileage and switch to Purolator Boss Oil Filter it will be interesting to see how the engine behaves as I use this setup on my old Chrysler 300M with 240K miles using Royal purple W10-30 it is expensive but the oil will last far longer than the other brands :)

[@sergebasque8460]

Great tips again Racer X for the Dodge owner, the Cayote engine has also the ticking noise my 2017 does have it.

[@RacerX9]

It’s a different sound.. dusk overhead cam engines sound a bit different.. 32 valves on those cars too

[@169abr]

the coyote tick isn't linked to any problems really thank god, my 15 doesn't tick but my god they're noisy.

[@JohnSmith-zw6tr]

WRONG, it’s NOT the MDS. We’ve had plenty of HEMIs with manual transmissions (NO MDS) have cam/lifter failures. It’s related to idle times due to the lower oil pressure at idle which is why it effects FLEET vehicles more often. Hellcats aren’t effected as much because they have a HIGH VOLUME oil pumps. And, the Hellcat oil pump bolts right on to a 5.7 HEMI just fine. Normal Gen III HEMI 5.7 oil pumps at idle average 20-25 psi. A 5.7 with a Hellcat oil pump averages 46-50 psi. Almost DOUBLE.

[@westwasbest]

Doesn't matter how much oil pressure or volume that you have, the issue with these motors is the distant area that needs lubrication only obtains it from splash off off the camshaft, particularly at low idle not enough oil splashes up into these areas, doesn't matter what type oil pump you have it's still a physics issue.

[@willfoster9083]

Thank you Racer X, I've been waiting for you to address this and well done!🤜🔥

[@bekkiware264]

My RT Classic has had the hemi tick since I bought her new in 2014. Great video, thanks for the info.

[@HemiMike]

And how many miles have ypu been driving with it?

[@bekkiware264]

@@HemiMike Still haven't hit 13K yet. lol.

[@HemiMike]

@@bekkiware264 really? Lol

[@bekkiware264]

@@HemiMike They don't let me out much. LOL.

[@HemiMike]

@@bekkiware264 why your in prison?

[@jpack7199]

I've had my 2004 5.7 Ram for 15 years with the tick. It now has 175k miles and from what you've said about the tick goes away when revving that's exactly what it does. Now I've raced it on 1/8th mile, drove from tennessee to New York 3 times and so far it's been pretty good...😁

[@RacerX9]

Nice.. probably a slight exhaust leak is the culprit

[@hemi-pwer2639]

I have an 07 300c hemi with the 5.7 and im at 104k miles and it has a tic right around the front left of the intake manifold but never a single internal issue has happened for me, car still runs great

[@BiggusDikkus73]

Just sold my 2012 Ram today it got the tick whenever the weather would change then it would stop once it warmed up...had her 5 years and always just kinda dealt with it

[@whattheduck4644]

There's also another type of tick, on some engines the injectors make a ticking sound. When I got my 24,000 mile RT I ended up hearing a tick, I was kinda worried because of the "hemi tick". But after doing some deep searching I finally found some stuff about the injectors ticking. And sure enough it sounded exactly like the sound coming from my engine. It's annoying but it's harmless, it's also not all the time. Sometimes it ticks, sometimes not.

[@blakevandam1328]

Brooo thank you I just got a 2020 RT with 23k miles and it has a tick when I cold start it I was worried

[@grizzly4736]

Best advice ever Racer X. Take care of your cars, and they will take care of you.

[@bobbyrobbyn1838]

I don’t ever press skip on the the ads i get from your videos X so you can get that 💰 💰!

[@RacerX9]

Thanks buddy.. much appreciated 🤜🔥

[@Bcr3106]

KZbin: oh yeah? Here's an hour long ad. 🤣

[@bobbyrobbyn1838]

@@Bcr3106 lmfao chill bro

[@pwpt6]

My daily driver is a 2013 Charger R/T. It has always been maintained to exact specifications. Oil changes every 3,000 miles. I have never had a problem with the engine at all. Except for a water pump. I agree 100% oil life is the secret to preventing the Hemi tick. My 2017 T/A Scat Pack 6.4 has 55 thousand, long tubes, other mods, and is tracked regularly. All fluids changed on time. Never given me any problems at all.

[@dimab8753]

What oil do you use on your cars?

[@dk6419]

All good information to know and as said no engine is perfect internals to main seals. But this doesn't stop me from loving the challenger and wanting one.

[@RacerX9]

I agree brother

[@xxsilver_gamingxx389]

Is it true that hemis are more reliable than coyotes and Ls engines ?

[@169abr]

@@xxsilver_gamingxx389 Pretty sure they're all about equal, if I had to pick one I'd pick the 5.3 LS.

[@xxsilver_gamingxx389]

Grant Winburn Why

[@xxsilver_gamingxx389]

Grant Winburn personal experience or...

[@djs3484]

Great info, thank you. In brief my 2015 SRT 392 ownership that was brand new and I finally had the Challenger I wanted since my neighbor got his 1970 Challenger 340, what a screamer and since he was a cop we went to a highway close by and uncorked it. Mine after 2 weeks started falling apart, incompetent dealer svc clowns telling me in the performance pages that the car was running hot with my oil temp at 254 degrees. I showed them and they told me that's in factory spec, which was a major lie, on the 4th, yes 4th svc call they again said there's nothing wrong. When they were bringing it back to me the radiator blew. That's the beginning of my nightmare, not getting into hot air but, the other issues I'll mention are the a/c, transmission, 2 rear ends and the computer took a dump and they never did anything about fixing my car. They didn't even care to, the final straw was when going through town at 30mph the #5 piston went and damaged internals and I finally lemon law my Challenger, 22svc calls in 24 months I was so pissed as I wanted to keep that car. The info you shared about the 5.7, and the 6.4HEMI ticking and I never heard, the motor just died. Dodge must have the worst quality control in history, I took back my $10k deposit on my '17 Hellcat and bought my Camaro ZL1.

[@hellcatredeye-g6582]

Its the needle bearings inside the roller on the lifter that goes bad..I’m rebuilding one right now.. I probably did a good 15 or 20 of them last year..For the exhaust bolts the dealer does have a replacement ones that supposed to solve the problem.. I just did them on my ram Six months ago no problem so far👍

[@deviantarsenal]

Unfortunately I had to do it twice on my Ram. I assume the factory replacement bolts and manifold was no better than what came on it when it was built. Other than that, the truck has been excellent.

[@ardelld8465]

This was a great information on the hemi tick.. I had a engine tick on my 2016 Mustang GT350. It scared me. I did have ford check it out and they said this was normal. I did hear the 5.0 engines in the Mustangs had the ticks that turned to catastrophic engine failure. Piston slap. It in 2018 was all over the internet. I will be watching and listening to my Scat. Thank you for your videos.

[@rogelioe1471]

I've read that another way to stave off MDS related issues is to never punch the throttle while MDS is active in 4 cylinder mode. Make sure to increase the throttle slightly til you feel it go back to 8 cylinders and then you can go full throttle.

[@evelynlopez669]

THIS SYSTEM SHOULD NOT BE IN A MUSCEL CAR ITS STUPID. BUY A TUNER AND TURN IT OFF IT WILL STAT 8CYL

[@BruceLee-xn3nn]

Chevrolets dod can be turned off.

[@brandon32114]

Drive it in sport mode

[@aaronwebb8033]

I would also recommend an oil catch can for just general maintenance. I am not 100% sure if helps specifically with the oiling issue that contributes to lifter failure but It is amazing to see how much dirty oil gets re-circulated into the engine.

[@Rick.H87]

100%. I empty my catch can every 1000 miles and it's amazing how much oil is in it.

[@AHill-ce5zx]

I still don’t understand why this issue hasnt been resolved yet but of course it’s just to keep ppl coming to buy more of these

[@christhomas9242]

My 2019 6-speed manual R/T Challenger has that “tick”.. I had the oil checked and changed, no change... but now I know which direction to go.. thanks for this content brotha!

[@stevensanna3651]

I have a 6 speed manual 2017 RT with the 5.7. I got a "tick" but not while idle. I get it and you can hear it especially if you take off cold. You hear it when you step on the gas, especially in low gears like 1st or second. Hear it much less after it warms up.

[@robertb3409]

My 2020 Challenger R/T doesn't have the MDS because I have the 6 speed manual. Great video by the way.

[@praxedesmerino2656]

I just recently test drove a used 2017 challenger with a 6 speed manual (No MDS). The car made that ticking sound before and after the test drive, at an idle.

[@kevyn6629]

@@praxedesmerino2656 that’s probably your fuel injectors

[@mminniear984]

I’m buying my first hemi Ram truck soon. This is good info to have. Thank you

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Reminds me of the Mustang Ecoboost, Ecoboom which I believe only happens because of poor maintenance and or tuning it beyond spec.

[@RacerX9]

Yes.. I agree .. pushing beyond what it’s intended to do

[@FS2K4Pilot]

RacerX One would think that would be common sense.

[@michaela6147]

It's amazing how many people who make videos on KZbin have no idea what they are talking about. The " Hemi Tick" is an Exhaust Leak. Go get it fixed. The second one is rare.

[@albundyrocks2115]

Great topic. Would you be willing to take it the next step and show a ticking and non-ticking motor as comparison? People's idea of "ticking" varies a lot and may think any normal engine sound is ticking. TIA

[@OctonaBoyFresh]

Facts

[@jermaineholton2027]

I agree

[@harleyghost]

I have had several of the late model Hemi's, one of which had the exhaust leak tick. The newest Ram truck (E-Torque) has had the lifters replaced due to bearing wear. Once again it is now back in the shop again with the same issue. The truck is a 2024 with low mileage and has always received the correct maintenance. I have heard from another web site that the oil pump volume (not pressure) may not be enough. He suggested a oil pump from a hellcat but use the pressure regulator spring from your current pump so that your vehicle does not throw engine codes. The Hellcat pump outputs a high oil volume, thus will keep the lifters lubricated. I also want to stress the point on how important you keep your oil changes to 3 to 5 thousand miles.

[@kkellerk23]

Amsoil on my Charger 5.7L, change it every 15,000. It has 170k on the odometer, Still going strong. 💪🇺🇲

[@kkellerk23]

@soldierofliberty without getting into the specifics, it's not at all. I also use the 22,000 mile oil as well. Have been doing it for the life of the car, and no issues at all. It's all about the type of oil.

[@ViolentMLG]

I would send the oil to a lab and get it checked out. Are you highway driving or city? There is allot of variable factors there. If its HW, in a short period of time, then that's fine, that's usually what these companies are referencing in their labels. Nothing wrong with going 20K miles on 1 oil change if its all HW over a few months. If its city/HW and done over an entire year or more, that's bad IMO. I would change my oil every 4K-6K, maybe 8K tops if its a cheaper daily from a reliable brand. Oil is allot cheaper than an engine. 170K miles isn't allot of miles either. That's par for the course of any vehicle. Most modern cars should hit close to 200K. Most people run some garbage quick-lube oil in their cars and can hit 200K without an issue. Maybe talk about how your oil change interval is impressive at 300K-400K, then you might have a case to be made. At 300K-400K+ is where the legends are made. Shit, even 250K+ is a feat, because after 200K is whenever a car really becomes a problem.

[@kkellerk23]

@@ViolentMLG there is abundance of evidence on Amsoil reliability on internet. I've used it in all my vehicles including my Porsche Turbo without any issue. I've used the 15k or 25k oil change without issue, because they back the oil they sell as well as the data to prove it works from independent companies. I can't help if people don't believe what is being said or done. Just take a look for yourself and see if you want. I've gone down this road many time with folks who are stuck in their ways. I'm a tech and my wife is a Nuclear Engineer, so we both have done our research and came to the same conclusion, Amsoil was the best choice for us. And haven't been proven wrong yet. 🤷‍♂️ We went from Mobile1 to Amsoil years ago and haven't looked back since. At the end of the day, personal preference will do just fine if you want to go that route.

[@ripsrt6822]

So, my 2015 charger SRT developed a tick that was out of the normal sound. It had 75k miles at the time. I took it to the dealer and they replaced the cam and lifters under warranty. I actually got a check engine light due to a fuel imbalance. The rumor is, the lifters are failing because of the needle bearings in the rollers. It's not dodges falt, it's the manufacturer of the lifters. I now have 134k miles and no issues since.

[@CamiDaDon]

Appreciate the vid! Straight to the point and learned a lot considering I am looking for a 2012-2014 RT Charger.

[@spicysnowman8886]

Me too

[@SovereignKnight74]

Glad you touched up on this. Tony's Garage was saying it's lack of lubrication and a flaw in the design of the newer HEMI engine. Mabey the lack of lubrication is a result from sitting at idle. Oil changes and Idle times go hand in hand in this case. Do you oil regularly and don't let that HEMI sit idling!

[@RacerX9]

Yes exactly.. the cam is located much higher in the engine than in the LT and LS engines.. thus they get less oil splashing up on the lifters .. which in this situation is not ideal

[@mototodd]

@@RacerX9 none of this matters. My 6.4 had regular oil changes never idled long, proper break in, and only 7,800 miles and it started a crazy loud tic that raised with rpm.

[@jasonh9957]

Yes, UTG is correct. My wife has a 2015 5.7 w/13K miles, nice loud tick. Not happy. Unfortunately I'm older and I remember when factory standards were much higher. Surely a manufacturer can do better than this. I do love the car. Even my Dad would give this the nod over the '70 Challenger if he were still alive. I'll be pulling the motor and adding oil dribblers in the valley. I believe I'm also using this as the excuse to build the forced induction bottom end as "insurance parts" lol. Time to research how much power the short block will handle!

[@shad3128]

The 6.1 and 6.4 seem pretty solid with this issue. Idk if its just luck but I know a few ppl running their 6.1 and 6.4s into 100k+ miles and their only complaints so far have been like wheel bushings or struts wearing out but nothing too bad on top of reg. Maintenance

[@JobyJoby-iw2wr]

I have a 2020 300S 5.7 bought new. Dealer included a limited lifetime powertrain warranty for 'free'(?). I also added the Mopar MaxCare plan for 8 years, including factory warranty. I use the SRT rated Pennzoil Ultra Platinum SP rated 5w20 with the SRT filter, always filling the filter before the vertical attachment. One characteristic my car also has from new: start from cold, make short drive and stop before motor reaches full operating temperature and get valve clatter for 1 sec at the next start. Park car after its reached full operating temperature and the next start, hot or cold, is quiet - no clatter. Did the same after the dealer would service 300 with their standard Mopar filter and their full synthetic oil. 300 still breaking in with less than 15k miles, burning 93 E0. 😊

[@CCW-wg8ds]

The Hemi tick has been around since The 70s

[@YungPro_custom]

Thanks for this great information as I’m in the process of getting a 2021 RT with the plus package..... I enjoy your videos, you are very knowledgeable of these cars..... Thank you Racer X

[@RacerX9]

No worries.. I hope you enjoy your RT brother

[@YungPro_custom]

@@RacerX9 I can’t wait and my wife can’t either... Mopar or no car.

[@choppStixxz]

I had a 2018 R/T charger with 3,000 miles on it and it started ticking rolling into 4K miles. I would have to shut the engine off in a drive through because the tick was so loud. Traded it in a week later.

[@Automotiveonthedaily]

Exactly! It’s ridiculous I had a 2019 RT with 15,000 miles and it bothered me when you accelerate and it sounds like a tractor. I just bought a mustang on the 27th of February

[@jimbradley727]

@@Automotiveonthedaily sorry for the Stang swap...we add 3 Mopar owners for every 1 lost..mine has 55k sounds sweet..5.0 can't make that music..

[@jimbradley727]

Quit trolling Mopar...you know you want one girls...

[@courtlandblair7078]

Huge fan of the channel boss, I just picked up 2015 rt plus in San Antonio today and I love it. Keep up the good work boss and I’m glad to finally be apart of the mopar family

[@RacerX9]

Awesome brother .. welcome aboard

[@tomyunt1839]

So far I’m really happy with my 6.4 hemi , probably won’t be a problem with it but if it ever happens I’ll just upgrade cam and lifters 👍👍

[@KA-vs7nl]

Same here the 6.4 is treating me well too

[@jeffreyzabawski4862]

Even my 2021 3.6 L started to Tick that was noticeably getting worse. I switched Motor Oils to Pennzoil Full Synthetic replacing Synthetic Blend and the Tick got much quieter. The Engine itself sound so much healthier overall, especially upon startup.

[@joebrito2066]

I’ve seen people taking their Hemis to Jiffy Lube, and that’s how you destroy those engines

[@NVRAMboi]

This. Unfortunately I'd say the same about even non-Hemi vehicles you care about.

[@joebrito2066]

@@NVRAMboi true

[@2fast4uates84]

Always take your car to the dealership.

[@2fast4uates84]

I still follow the old school 3 months or 3000 miles.

[@FeatheredDino]

@@2fast4uates84 Wise man. Anyone who believes that engine oil can last 7,000+ miles is a fool. If you've ever changed oil that's over 3,000 miles, you know it does not look or feel like new, clean oil anymore and it cannot possibly be lubricating your engine well.

[@QuasiMotoUSA]

2014 R/T 5.7, manual with leather. Gorgeous car. I had it for three years and it ticked from day one…mechanic said it was normal…haha. It wasn’t loud at all, they said it was due to pushrods. Rest of the car was solid and had no rattles, squeaks etc. I was very impressed as it was my first Dodge product. I’d shy away from buying another only because of that.

[@rileycates5049]

My buddy's 5.7 charger had the tick and the lifter ate into the cam lobe and ruined the engine.

[@RacerX9]

Yep that’s what happens unfortunately

[@CJColvin]

@Brian Stafford Thats the Problem with Chrysler products man they just don't hold the test of time like the 5.0L Coyote V8 does.

[@CJColvin]

@Brian Stafford The Coyote V8 is one outstanding engine.

[@kaj7025]

Brian Stafford the tick scared me went with the 2020 3.6L challenger GT , might just through a borla exhaust on it or keep it stock & have peace of mind lol

[@kaj7025]

Brian Stafford dude the 3.6 L & 5.7L go the same speed lol around the same price to, hell I got the GT 3.7L for $35k sticker, they had a 5.7L on the lot for $34k with 900 miles on it - on specs the 3.6L v6 puts out 305 horses, the 5.7L v8 puts out 375 - that’s not that far off to warrant v6 hate, they definitely still have power haven driven both they aren’t far off. Now if we’re talking vs hellcat that’s another story, but then hellcat ppl can hate on scat packs even lol

[@scarface9617]

(RacerX) ..One of the most Knowledgeable & Informational Channels on the Tube! 🤝🙏

[@HemiMike]

Oh boy, did you just open a can of worns!

[@RacerX9]

Lol.. I saw your vid on subject as well

[@blackstar1316]

I took mine for an oil change and complained about a ticking sound when it was under warranty but they said they didn’t hear anything and the car sounded normal and that’s b4 I knew the ticking had a name. It’s worse now..should they be liable to fix it for free still

[@chriscrawford1257]

Good luck getting into MEADOR. I have called several times for another issue and cant get a return call back.

[@RacerX9]

Strange .. maybe I need to give those guys a holler and ask them what the deal is 🤔

[@mad_like_a_hatter5469]

The 392 does naturally have loud valves that people think is that hemi lifter tick but props on throwing the actual tick clip because that is not generally the tick people Hear

[@salpanahi]

I guess the ticking doesn’t happen it scatpack manual since the engine doesn’t have the cylinder deactivation?

[@RacerX9]

Your exactly right Sal

[@revtimewest]

@@RacerX9 Do more research. It is happening with non MDS engines as well.

[@zarlybouttabag]

I have a manual scatpack and I do hear ticking 😬

[@03mm24]

@@revtimewest yep my 6.1 is a victim

[@rogermuthatruckinperkins451]

Lost a 1500 Ram to the tick. Yes change the oil frequently. Definitely keep the idling to a minimum that’s what killed mine.

[@zeeksosalive1480]

Had the hemi tick in my 392 and just passed it off lol, I'm currently buying a new motor for it.

[@yodaddy6340]

Is your car an automatic or manual?

[@srt8rocketship241]

At idle gou don't get crank splash for lobes as well. You also get drain back coming from above. Change the oil on time with full synthetic. The new dodge heavy duty trucks come with the 392 now.

[@HallAdrian.777]

I just don’t drive my car in the MBS mode I always run it in performance mode

[@oscarpretalia8251]

Hey racer x. I am a long time subscriber. I love all the car videos and what not, but I also feel like a lot of people would appreciate you talking about the financial aspect of owning these cars. I am not only talking about the cost of maintenance and gas, but also what steps you took financially to be able to afford these cars. I feel like it would give your channel a lot more diversity and value to your subscribers. Keep up the good work brother!!!

[@Sinn0100]

I get what you're saying but these cars aren't prohibitively expensive as far as cars go. Too me, it's just like owning any other pony car. I am a longtime GM guy that has owned quite a few over the years and for the first time ever I'm about to buy a Challenger 5.7 liter RT+ with the Scat Pack. The two I'm looking at are used and cost around 21K. That's actually cheaper than either of my Trans-Ams or Camaros when I got them. You just have to look around and also know that right now is a terrible time to buy a car. Dealers are screwing everyone six ways from Sunday with exorbitant "dealership fees." My mother just bought a Hyundai for 7K over book because of dealer fees. The only reason I'm buying now is because I actually need another car and why not make it fun?

[@oscarpretalia8251]

@@Sinn0100 true , but I’m sure a 1000 hp hellcat costs a chunk of change as well as his other cars. Really though 21k for a scar pack is a hell of a deal hope ur able to get it man.

[@Sinn0100]

@@oscarpretalia8251 Thanks man.

[@Sinn0100]

@@oscarpretalia8251 Thanks man. I'm buying used for my first Dodge ever. That's why it's so cheap.

[@jayeortiz8671]

Great video sir! Solid information

[@RacerX9]

Thanks buddy

[@somejackball]

my old 02 LS1 had the 'Tick' it's whole life. was something about a certain amount of LS1's that were produced had cylinder walls a tad too large, causing piston slap. like most others, mine would quiet down after the engine warmed up. but on cold starts it was pretty loud. but i had the car 6 years, and put about 24,000 miles on it, never had any problems. all my engine mods worked, and made tons of extra HP. ☮

[@Miicha410]

The houses around you look massive af

[@DKLabs99]

McMansions

[@superchargedfierogt]

I had the exhaust manifold hemi tick on my 2017 Durango 5.7L HEMI. It was on the back of the engine on the passenger side. The dealer fixed it under my extended warranty.

[@dimensionexo.]

And then the tick was gone ?

[@gregoreosRGV]

My 2019 new Ram got the tick. Traded for a 2020 scat pack 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Changed2024]

Good trade😂 but honestly the SRT motors are a stable platform

[@RacerX9]

That is less than ideal

[@gregoreosRGV]

@@RacerX9 I took it to 2 different dealers.. both told me it was the lifters. Had 15k miles, on time oil changes, didn’t idle long. Just unlucky I guess. They replaced the lifters under warranty, but I wasn’t going to keep that lifter eating 5.7 long term. So I traded. Scatpack at 12k miles so far so good 🤙🏼

[@RedOne410]

@@Changed2024 mds equipped 392’s are prone to lifter failure as well.

[@Elsa-rq2ty]

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[@moparmade392]

I have had both the 5.7 and a 6.4 and my 6.4 lifters started ticking a little at around 39k miles so I did an oil change with Amsoil Signature Series and substituted a quart of Lucas oil stabilizer and never heard it again. Sold my 2016 SRT 392 with 44k miles back in August. Had the manifold tick in my 5.7 Carmax fixed it by replacing the gaskets at 12k miles. 88k miles now and no other issues since

[@hillbillyartscrafts4367]

Scotty Kilmer would be laughing his ass off if he heard you say Hemi's are great engines

[@devinfraser9795]

Yup they are 250km mine doesn’t burn or use a drop of oil . Replaced the water pump at 210 km .

[@devinfraser9795]

395 hp stock to doesn’t take much to make 500 either . 20013 ram sporty . Cam , 392 intake , tune . It’s a fuckin rocket !!!

[@tmw1985th]

Thx for the info. Sharing is caring.... knowledge is power!

[@luckyboy8798]

Amsoil baby best oil for your hemi

[@FlatPlaneCranky]

Truth!! Been using it on my personal vehicle engines for 25 years currently use it in my wife’s 2019 392 Scat Charger, 2017 Whipple charged Mustang GT, 2007 LBZ classic GMC Duramax, 2000 Tundra 4.7 and my F250 2017 Powerstroke. Never in 25 years had an engine or transmission failure just following Amsoil drain guidelines including severe duty guidelines. Just bought a 2021 Peterbilt 389 with 565 HP Cummins and she’ll be getting amsoil for life in engine, trans, and rear gears. Best in the business!!

[@luckyboy8798]

@@FlatPlaneCranky fuck yea right on

[@kenlidlow1067]

Uncle Tony from Uncle Tonys Garage actually posted a couple of videos about this issue. He had the 5.7 engine block stripped down and showed why this failure occurs. It looks like a design flaw with the angle of how the lifters are actually seated in the block. There's an oil deficiency issue. He actually make a very good case. I recommend watching his videos.

[@shannontaylor5173]

So would driving in sport mode help, since it turns off the MDS function? Or is it just the fact that it has those types of lifters, so it doesn't matter if the MDS is on or not?

[@sinamon_scat8265]

I’ve heard it’s the function of the mds that causes the problem. Not sure if that’s true or not. I drive mine in sport most of the time anyway. Doesn’t seem to me that shutting of 4 cylinders would be healthy for the engine.

[@howardlland13]

Sport mode cancels MDS SYSTEM. I have activated Sport Mode when I start the car since it was new. No issues. 5.7L

[@cobrajoe1974]

Same here. I switch to sport mode immediately

[@shannontaylor5173]

@@cobrajoe1974 I have been doing that too. But I'm curious if having those specific lifters is the cause of the issue, or if it is only an issue when MDS has been operating? Because if it is simply the lifters suck, then I guess there is no point in always remembering to switch to sport mode. But if turning off MDS is the "fix", then I will just make sure I switch modes.

[@CiboloHemi]

It’s not an MDS issue, it’s the lifter design issue. Running in sport only keeps it out of MDS but won’t prevent failure.

[@vf12497439]

When I bought my car used it had a slight tic on cold start for 10 seconds or so. My first oil change i used full synthetic oil and I havent had a tic since. The header tic in your video is not the tic my car was doing. It was a subtle ticking sound that I attribute to lifters. I assumed cheap oil and I think I was right. Dodge says 5,000 mile oil changes... same with my harley... nope 3,000 in my home. Oil is cheap compared to an engine. I dont let new vehicle engines warm up long. Just don't punch the throttle until the car has warmed up. But you can drive cold, it allows the lifters to get pumped up.

[@paulmarclalonde3834]

No the car is mint HemI tic is all over blown bs Treat your car right Simple

[@shaker_rt123]

I just got the tick. I took it to dodge under warranty, they swapped lifters (supposedly) and it's still ticking

[@jandro2rich]

Still going?

[@shaker_rt123]

@jandro2rich somewhat . It's very light but it's there

[@rodhtown]

The cam gets wiped due to the bearing seizing up on the lifter. Swap them out for hellcat lifters when doing a cam swap problem solved.

[@RacerX9]

Yep.. that’s exactly what my buddy did 👍

[@rockcrawler3119]

What is the difference in the HC lifters?

[@John-4649]

I’ve got a 2004 Ram Rumble Bee and the engine has had the Hemi tick for the last 10 years and I’ve had 2 different short blocks in it and used the same heads on both. On the second short block I had the head milled, ported and polished and used all 6.1 top end parts and a Comp 260 in both. Still have the tick to this day with zero negative effects, and that’s usually the case. As he said the intake manifold bolts like to back out. If your cowl seal is bad and water pools on your intake, when you start you engine it could suck that water in through that gap and vapor lock your engine and you’re going to have a bad time and since liquid won’t compress something has to give. When using headers I’ve found that using factory gaskets prevents the exhaust leak, learned that one the hard way! As for the MDS, I don’t have any experience with it. Try using Redline 5w30, a lot of people have had great luck with it as far as almost if not completely silencing the tick. Mopar lifters are cheaply made and just suck half the time. Some people have used Crower lifters and that eliminates the tick, they’re pricey though! Sorry wasn’t trying to steal the spotlight, just throwing my own personal experience out there for others also. Great video man and nice car! Keep them coming!

[@hoost3056]

Schaeffers Supreme 9000 Full Synthetic oil. Try it, your engine will thank you.

[@mlin3129]

A oil type wont prevent nothing. It's a poor internal engine design. It lacks oil at idle.

[@garycorbin2789]

My 06 300c le had the manifold tick , love the engine it's tough reliable and easy to work on

[@t.s.racing]

My shops Pitbull, his name is Hemi, and he has a tick. What ?

[@Milwaukee307]

My 2017 Ram 1500 5.7 MDS has made a knocking/ticking noise since I first bought it new. Only has 25,000 miles. I change the oil every 5,000-7,000 miles and use full synthetic. I actually haven't driven it in awhile and today I started it up and it was much louder than I ever heard it before. Oil is brand new. Have the Wrap Lifetime Warranty so might need to get it checked out.