The BEST Prevention For Hemi Lifter Failure! (In My Opinion)

[@RobertKinne-lh8wn]

I can't usually watch someone this long very well spoken highly technical point of view one of the best videos I've seen lately

[@januarioqueiroz3122]

You bet!

[@virgiljones4808]

I also like the way he gets into it without all the video of him driving his cars and like and subscribe garbage. He knows he's good and your gonna like and subscribe for the great knowledge he gives us.

[@robertwade5317]

for sure !

[@aaronlewis7562]

Protect this man by all costs

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

Is John Wick after him or something??

[@johnkendall1376]

Big companies don't like to be exposed of faulty building. Yes they will make your life hell if they cannot pay you off to be quiet. Watch he will stop eventually with reporting this.

[@007rockford]

@@johnkendall1376 if that was the case Scotty Kilmer would have whole auto industry army behind him....

[@joeblowe7545]

What??? SMH

[@bktscrambler]

100% best Hemi Tick videos on the interwebs. This man needs a secret service detail.

[@standard1664]

I just put the hellcat oil pump on my 2018 Ram with 228,000km. I have MDS off so no code came on. I haven't had any engine trouble, and always used pennzoil Ultra platinum. Mechanic said it was the cleanest 5.7 hemi he's seen. Hoping to take this engine to 500k. Thank you for dissecting this topic so miticulously and sharing your knowledge.

[@DellCvz]

What weight of oil you use?

[@standard1664]

@@DellCvz 5w-20

[@ARFoodsmx]

How do you turn of the mds? Did you make a phisical delete?

[@standard1664]

@@ARFoodsmx I got the Edge Pulsar tuner. Piggybacks on the factory ECM and I can change settings on the fly using my cruise control buttons. It's worked amazing for me for the last 150,000km. Worth the money if you ask me.

[@jessejames4319]

Do you still have the mds lifters in ? Just disabled ?

[@gadsdenconsulting7126]

Is this like the ONLY video that addresses a solution to this issue? Well done and THANK YOU!!

[@jgichnoo]

This is not the first time I have heard talk about not letting a Hemi idle. Or not for too long because its not getting enough oil to the lifters. I'm glad I found this video by accident.

[@claudehosch4706]

I put mine in neutral and play with the accelerator in long stops .

[@jgichnoo]

@@claudehosch4706 Actually not a bad idea if i ever end up getting one.

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

@@claudehosch4706 That's the cheap and easy way to deal with this. Even when it's warming up I'm bumping the pedal.

[@williamsmardo1240]

​@claudehosch4706 I just purchased the diablo trinity 2 platinum ex. Haven't learned all it's capabilities, yet. It does allow you to set the park idle up and the driving idle up. I set my parked idle up to around 750 rpm. Because, I always have my dog with me. I don't feel I have a need to set the driving idle up.

[@joeteddy7685]

I put fraction oil in mine and it's good for fifty thousand miles

[@boristtt8044]

Thank you. Completely agree as a mechanic who built couple hundreds of Hemi engines. I have an engineer mechanic background and could not add anything, at least now.👍

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you watching Boris!

[@jeremybroderick9465]

@@ReignitedAuto The new 0w 30 oil breaks down(looses lubricity) much faster than 5 or 10w 30 use Motorkote or redline engine additive they are both great all others are sub par or no better than just oil alone

[@cameronlujan9320]

Who else touched their screen and thought their screen was cracked when you went to your white board!? Lol I love your videos! Thank you so much for all your knowledge. You’ve helped me repair my own Lifter / Cam swap.

[@sagirius]

Me lol

[@stevengutierrez13]

I blew thinking it was dog hair 😂

[@imtoksik]

You should be an instructor, you explained it extremly well. I was a mechanic till 2006,I don't even own anything with Hemi engine but was curious about what you have to say and I'm very impressed with the information and the way you explained everything. Thanks for posting.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thanks so much for saying that! That's actually my plan is to move into the instructor side of things in a few years. 👍

[@retiredafce3373]

Once a mechanic, always a mechanic!

[@jwctech]

I suggest oil changes 3000-5000 miles at most, or every 6 months, whichever comes 1st no matter what any factory suggests.....that gives u a chance to inspect the the rest of the engine bay, fluids, suspension, etc and gives u a better idea of what is going on with your vehicle...I think anything above 5000 is asking for problems..great video bro...

[@davewoodmancy5124]

Is there any particular oil filters out there that holds more oil or has better filtration?

[@jwctech]

@@davewoodmancy5124 plenty of options but all my mopars have drove past 250k on mopar filters...

[@isorozco511]

I agree. Although my 12 tsx had 170k the oil changed were done every 6 months or 3k and i used the recommended 0w-20. The engine ran smooth as butter. Most shops say the #1 reason for engine failure is neglect.

[@jwctech]

@@isorozco511 absolutely 💯

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you guys watching!

[@emilpl4079]

Hi. I'm from Poland and here this engine is not as common as on the continent, which is why most people succumb to stereotypes rather than delving into the topic of the MDS system, which is considered to be defective. No one could answer why it was so bad. Initially, I thought it was a matter of poorer material of the pushrods, because in engines without MDS the effect was similar with damage. Thank you for such a sensible explanation. Finally someone wanted to delve deeper into the topic.

[@l.c.9596]

All that I can say is " AMAZING EXPLANATION ", you are not just smart and logical but are excellent teacher. Keep up the great work Sr. Thank you so much

[@robertannable9584]

This is an absolute CLINIC, my man! I love it. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us.

[@gregbennett2339]

My 2015 Ram 6.4 got metal in oil at 98k. Bought a complete engine from Chrysler, cam from crane, upgraded springs Removed MDS, Hell cat oil pump and lifters, new radiator. After JMB in Hillsboro Mo. tuned it the transmission shifts correctly finally after 8 years. (6 speed). The coolant always stays at 215 degrees and the oil temp stays at 226 degrees. 9k miles so far so good. But at a total cost of $18,700. I hope it holds up. I do not want to buy another new truck. I still have the old motor and have not opened it up yet. Also this was during the time of parts shortage 6 months of waiting. Soon I will have dual exhaust and be able to enjoy the slight rumble of the cam.

[@suckmeaballZ]

I'd slowly rebuild it over the next couple years and you can keep jumping back and forth between motors.

[@johnf.6942]

When you follow the lighter oil the car will prematurely fail.

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

@@johnf.6942 That's what I've heard.

[@alanmeyers3957]

It seems rather redundant not to use a 180* thermostat, but it sounds like you’re an engineer.

[@alanmeyers3957]

@@johnf.6942BS

[@jdsmith556]

The thing that worked for me was royal purple engine oil and a mopar filter. Truck had 147,XXX 5.7L hemi no knocking. challenger has 152,XXX 5.7L hemi no knocking and it sat for over a month. Fired it up no smoke no knocking. Both are 2013 year models

[@FiftyNickFifty]

THANK YOU! I've been having the issue for the past couple weeks ever since I installed a 6.2 oil pump. I could not find anything definitive after hours of research. You came In clutch with changing out my cam and lifters on my 5.7 and you came in clutch once again.

[@danielgiglio4689]

I have a 2013 Dodge Durango Citadel with almost 50k miles. I ordered the Hellcat oil pump as soon as I saw your test results and just installed it. I will go further eventually but I think for now I should be fine. Thank you so much for this incredibly valuable information!

[@danielgiglio4689]

I do have a question. How do you know if the MDS activates? I know it says "ECO" on the cluster's EVIC screen, but that could mean that's what the computer is trying to do? I still see it with normal driving even after the Hellcat oil pump install. I will pay attention to my car's exhaust as it's pretty loud to see the difference in sound and if the MDS is off.

[@danielgiglio4689]

Also, could you link the voltage divider you used?

[@DangerousMegaDave]

This is an outstanding development! I can’t thank you enough for the effort that you have put into the tick issue. I have been through this, replaced the cam and lifters, followed your advice and upgraded to the HC pump in my 2012 R/T. The P0524 error has been plaguing me as a result. I installed a code reader and just keep clearing the error as it comes up. I will definitely be putting the in-line resistors into play as soon as possible. Thank you so much for all that you do. 👍🏻👍🏻

[@danielgiglio4689]

Hey man have you done this yet?

[@danjoe22]

A most informative video. Nice to know that mds is not the real problem. I change the oil on my 2015 300 hemi at 5000 miles or less and use synthetic oil. I doubt I will go the hellcat oil pump route but it is nice to know there is a preventative procedure available. You explain things thoroughly and clearly. Thanks again.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you watching!

[@DavidSmith-tu1nd]

MDS still not good. If I want a V8 then I want a V8 all the time. Not a V6 or 4 cylinder. I only get 13 mpg with MDS anyways. I have a 06 2500 power wagon.

[@ReignitedAuto]

@DavidSmith-tu1nd I do think it doesnt make sense in the bigger trucks like that. Problem is that wringing every last ounce of fuel economy out of these engines is the only reason they have lasted as long as they did. EPA mandates are not awesome.

[@DavidSmith-tu1nd]

​@@ReignitedAuto Yeah I know epa stuff. Is it possible to mount eagle heads on a 06 engine? My engine is running strong no valve seats have let loose, I known the eagle heads were more efficient.

[@ichrised]

​@@DavidSmith-tu1ndyes you need eagle pushrods, .070 cometic head gasket, new exhaust manifolds and intake manifold

[@calerisinger3292]

Melling also has a newly released high volume pump for the later model engines, part number M452HV which has the same displacement as the hellcat pump.

[@fastony1732]

I almost left the first time you said "gallery" instead of galley. I am glad I stayed for your incredible video. You really made excellent points and were very clear and concise.

[@turdferguson4124]

Gallery is the correct term. A galley is a kitchen on a boat. A gallery is a channel or corridor.

[@jrracing5108]

lol same here

[@jameshash4142]

Probably THE best Hemi engine lifter issue video ever done. New FCA engineers should be required to work as this guy’s shop helpers for 30 days when they get hired. Legacy FCA engineers should get 60 days, lolz.

[@SModelMafia]

Great video ! I have been following for years now, shortly after you started this venture. Glad to see you providing fantastic info, not just guesses.

[@Captain_Bad_Bill]

Your concerns regarding the oil reminds me of an old 6 cylinder 2 cycle navel diesel. It had a visual oil channel on top of top of the engine. Before starting the engine, you had crank the manual oil pump handle until you see oil running through it. Then, you count 100 cranks before starting the engine. Oh, this engine was so old that they used 6 propane torches that were mounted on a swivel to preheat the cylinder walls. This engine was over 75 years old and had never been rebuilt!

[@chetmyers7041]

That engine was "built to last" but was also extremely heavy for the amount of power it produced.

[@cutlasssupreme508]

Rebuilt my 2008 charger SRT8.... used cam bearings that had oiling trenches " grooves" that led to the oiling hole vs the OEM cam bearings that dont and used new lifters that had oiling holes vs the OEM lifters that don't and put a mellings high volume oil pump in it....

[@andresferrari5859]

I agree with many that the push to thinner and lighter oils is part of the problem. While many will disagree with me, I have found that using a heavier weight oil helps. In fact, I have solved more than a few problems using a heavier weight oil in many cars and trucks. Personally, I use 15W-40 in most of my vehicles and the results have been excellent. 10W-30 is another good choice for many. Whenever an up graded oil pump with more volumn and another 5-15 psi is also a real help.

[@strykerentllc]

Facts. The frequent oil change interval is absolutely the best way to prevent wear / failure. Our 2007 RAM 2500 with the original 5.7 Hemi has 150K on it and we had to recently swap the oil pan (due to rust-through thanks to the midwest rust belt doing its thing) & windage tray/gasket. The internals looked fantastic and not a single tick in 16+ years of service due to oil changes being done every 3000 miles. 50 oil changes doesn't seem like much of a price to pay to avoid issues like engine component failure at bay. Cheers!

[@thomasward4505]

My opinion on Modern fuel injected engines is they run much cleaner than an older engine therefore 5000 Mi is easily doable and acceptable. If you follow the computers recommendation I believe it will be past 7500 which I think is too long

[@strykerentllc]

@@thomasward4505 Heat and pressure breakdown oil in conjunction with carbon present in the oil as so-called modern engines utilize low tension rings which contributes to contaminated oil. That coupled with modern engines using more oil; as an example Hemi engines consume a factory acceptable amount equal to 1 quart per 1000 miles. Engines are expensive, oil and filters are not.

[@thomasward4505]

@@strykerentllc my 2014 Ram hemi does not use one quart of oil in 5000 miles which by the way I use it for towing and Hauling at least half the time. So one quart of oil in a thousand miles would be excessive but maybe in the realm of factory recommendation I don't know

[@strykerentllc]

@@thomasward4505 Dodge's acceptable oil consumption is 1 quart per 1000 miles. Next time you're at the dealer, you can ask and they will confirm the same. The PCV valve is there for a reason - evacuates the engine of oil vapors as the oil is heated during the run cycle to be burned through the intake cycle of the firing order. Oil vapors are part of heating oil and if there was no PCV on the engine, it would pressurize the crankcase and cause gasket failures.

[@Joes-Adventures71]

My 6.4 uses no oil in 5k miles. I think one quart per 5k is acceptable but every 1k is concerning.@@strykerentllc

[@rayvarnson8976]

Melling High-Volume Oil Pumps M452HV, claimed 20% more volume. I enjoy your videos.

[@mtn-endeavors67]

Claimed? So does it or not?

[@david84ss]

You sir are a life saver. Not only did your videos give me the confidence to do the cam/lifter hi volume pump swap myself, but now a year later I just got the 0524 code and was stumped

[@350Zquicksilver]

I don't think there is another video like this on YT, anywhere!! Thank You!

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thank you for watching!

[@robnowe5464]

Re: Hellcat Oil Pump.... high end pressure outside MDS acceptable range. If we deceive the system by modifying the signal we have neglected to determine if we are going to negatively impact the MDS sysem by exposing it to oil pressure above the spec'd range. It seems better to very if whether the MDS system can tolerate the range and to edit the range in the PCM parameters if possible or install a pressure relief valve in the oil pump that dumps excess pressure back to the sump. Really appreciated this video!!!!!

[@EarlSinclair97]

Converted the 5.7 EZH to an EZC in my '15 300s. Planned to install 6.2 lifters, but they are indeed the same part # as a 5.7. It runs great, and still obtain 22mpg at cruising speeds.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Very nice!

[@ekummel]

My mechanic would not install the Hellcat oil pump on my engine because he said it was not a stock replacement. He wouldn't warranty the "fix" if I insisted on the Hellcat oil pump. I was able to convince him to use the Melling pump. He also had a very difficult time finding the lifters and cam from Chrysler. He had to go aftermarket on those as well! Using that relief spring is a great idea. The Melling HV pump comes with two springs. You can choose the lower pressure spring that comes with the pump.

[@MM_in_Havasu]

Both my hemi-powered Mopars are performing flawlessly, with 130K miles on my '12 Challenger R/T w/5.7 hemi & 6 speed manual trans, no leaks, oil usage, or ticking other than normal injector firing noise, same deal with my '14 Chrysler 300C w/5.7 hemi, excellent performance at 91K miles and no "tick" either. I use high quality synthetic oil in all my rigs, it has kept them running very well and change oil & filter @ around 5K miles or 1 year. Thanks for a great video!

[@rosshoenke8368]

Preventive maintenance is always the best thing to do

[@Iwillnotbepushed]

Beyond a doubt this is the most comprehensive informative tutorial I have seen on the cam and lifter problem. I know you cannot say this as a employee of FCA. There is a tune that will turn off the MDS and raise your idle RPM’s by 200. without setting a code. What I do personally is turn the MDS off when I drive my RAM 2500 6.4. Simple to do. Just set your transmission to 6 on shift lever. MDS is off. I already had the cam and lifter problem under a factory extended warranty. Matter of fact I have used it twice for major transmission issues also. Matter of fact I just bought another one that covers the drive train to 160,000 miles. My advice buy an extended warranty when you buy these trucks. Once again great video.

[@ic3man5]

I did lab samples of QSFS 5w-30 up to 9400 miles and it easily did it. PUP 0w-40, Redline 5w-30, and QSFS 5w-30 should all allow 10K oil changes. My environment is severe interval recommended also. Tuned engine idle up to 800 RPM also so it never goes below 40 PSI now.

[@scottharmeling5439]

Had a 2014, 1500, work truck with the 5.7 lifter & cam failure at 176,000 miles. It was driven hard by many employees with a poor service record and half it's life was spent idling in the oilfields. I just bpught the 2023 scat pack shaker 6.4, I have already got 9200 miles on it. Hopefully if I keep it one day I can have the motor built with forged pistons, a lot more radical cam & lifters, and some lively tuning ! Nothing too crazy just a step up on the performance ladder. Your videos have been very informative and greatly appreciated.

[@jamram9924]

Sounds like the similar issues that Ford experienced with their 4.6 and 5.4 engines. Senior Ford technicians, like Fordtechmakuloco extended the life of those engines with installing the upgrades lifters, rocker arms and Melling HO oil pump. In addition, the timing chain guides and related components. The installation of this Melling HO oil pump. The engine oil pressure increased slightly, less than 10 psi, but the flow of oil was increased to to the high output of the oil pump. Excellent educational video!

[@crowndroyal]

FTM is awesome knows his shhhhh

[@youngsenior2175]

I have a well maintained ram 2014. and with 260K kilometers i had an issue with cil.no 1 . first thought it was a misfire and changed coils , NO check engine light came on. then tested compression and only cil no 1 had a bad low compression. I took it to a good mopar specialist in the netherlands and they discovered a lifter failure and ate one lobe out of the camshaft. The bad lifter it was even twisted 90 degrees. now i have a rebuild engine with non MDS and new lifters and a stronger cam, a lot of new parts and a stronger oil pump. Idling for a long time in trafic is not so good for a Ram . i hope i can do 200k again. for the rest the truck has no problems. Thanks for the informative video!

[@SPACEMIKEB]

Thanks for the great video. Since I bought my 2022 PW, I've been following the advice in your previous videos. Oil change at 1000, 5,000, 10,000 miles. Minimizing my idling. Using very high quality oil, Pennzoil Ultra Platinum. Once out of warranty, I'll see about doing the oil pump upgrade.

[@budlanctot3060]

I like your using the Pennzoil ULTRA Platinum. I've become convinced that is a superior motor oil. Amzoil may be slightly better, but IMO the difference isn't worth the difference in price & availability. I'm using it in all my more modern Mopars. I also am a firm believer in the use of FilterMags oil filter magnets to better clean the oil and keep the ferrous "dust" out of the engine by capturing it in the filter canister until it is disposed of during the oil/filter change. If you cut open your magnet fitted oil filter, you'd see what I'm talking about.

[@Gary_in_NoVA]

10,000 miles is too long to wait

[@mypronouniswtf5559]

@@Gary_in_NoVA ...I use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum and change my oil every 4000 miles the latest

[@CarveLife]

@@Gary_in_NoVAI think he meant change it at 1000 5000 and the 10000 mile mark.

[@timothy2369]

I found your videos after developing the lifter tick in my '19 Pursuit. I replaced everything and did the Hellcat oil pump as well and left MDS intact. I couldn't find a 7.4k resistor and used a 7.5k and wired it in last night. The MIL didn't come back on and I believe the MDS was working as my mpg on a route I drive daily increased from before I added the resistors. Thank you for your videos and help!

[@champcoupe]

My 2019 had mds lifters fail. Regular lifters were fine. Only had 60k. Oil changed every 4k.

[@ReignitedAuto]

It's hard when I see these ones that fail at such an early mileage, I always want to know more about what led up to that like any specific area of the country, driving habits, ect...

[@edwinblessing9811]

My 2019 with 35k runs well and has very low odds of failure even though it is a 5% possibility. A friends 2022 GMC Denali 6.4 had lifter, rod cam failure at 65k. My brothers Silverado 5.3 vortec lost a lifter at 70k and after repair under warranty lost main oil bearings at 122k requiring new rebuilt 5.3. Sorry it happened to you though.

[@ScottDLR]

Extremely well done video. Thank you for your insight and research. I learned a lot! My 2015 Challenger pretty quickly developed the issue and had all the lifters replaced (but not the cam) under warranty in 2017. All this time I thought the newer parts were the cure! It's worth mentioning that the first failure was at 15K miles and now at 65K, it's still totally silent.

[@tonycolca2241]

Chrysler =junk

[@ScottDLR]

@@tonycolca2241 Certainly not built as good as some but considering the competition, they're worth it to car people. .

[@tommccue3687]

😊Great info again. I had to replace my cam, lifters and pushrods at 192,000 miles. That was 29,000 miles ago. I had the hemi tick, but when I started having misfires, I took care of the problem in my garage at home. I bought a Hellcat oil pump after listening to the info you provided based on your many years of experience. I too have had the recurring PO524 code despite excellent oil pressure(too good for the ECM). I will follow these instructions so I won’t have to keep deleting this code to use the MDS for my long drives to work. Thank you for all of the info on this topic!

[@JohnSmith-zw6tr]

No, but turning the MDS system OFF with a tuner WITHOUT an MDS delete does cause ACCELERATED lifter/cam failure. The MDS lifter doesn’t get high pressure oil unless the MDS is engaged on the freeway. IF, you’re idling for long periods AND, you ALSO have the MDS system turned OFF, those MDS lifters NEVER get that high pressure oil flow. FYI, adding a “HELLCAT” oil pump on a 2012 5.7 HEMI disengages the MDS system due to oil sensor error. Ask me how I know. I heard you need a HELLCAT oil sensor as well. Did a 5.7 HEMI Dodge Charger engine rebuild WITH cam/lifter replacement while adding a HELLCAT oil pump. MDS system was disengaged due to an oil pressure error code. Experienced lifter/cam failure 11 months later!! Not 75k miles later. 10k miles later. Good luck

[@dan16802]

No. The MDS lifters get the same oil flow as the non MDS lifters when they are under normal operation with MDS not activated. They just get MORE oil when activated to activate the MDS system.

[@derekprice5510]

Great info. I used the Hellcat pump on my 2014 Ram after I did a cam/lifter replacement and I have zero issues.

[@dustinhornbake2900]

How about now? I just got a 2019 with 75k miles I’ve put 3.5k on it about to pull my first filter see if I find some glitter but I want to go this route

[@cobra02411]

I believe it's a combination of factors. I believe the fundamental design of the block plays a role and the change for VVT took something that was marginal but working to something that started to fail. The oiling from the lifter bores at idle is not going to splash much onto the cam. As RPM goes up the amount of oil from the crank and lifters splashing would go up and be sufficient. Lots of great info though.

[@ShawnGilbert1967]

Absolutely 💯

[@wes8398]

You're bang-on that those oil galleries barely have any effect on oiling of the cam/rollers. They only supply the bores, and I doubt much gets past the lifters.

[@joshuawesterman6097]

I did exactly what this guys has said, I had a failed lifter, and I pulled my motor from a 2013 1500, and I replaced my cam and lifters, put in the srt oil pump, and I deleted mds and put a tune on the truck so it would run without it, and the tick went away and I’ve been driving it for a few months now, and when I cold start my oil pressure is at 80psi, and it just purs

[@TheVideoGameVault]

This was a great walk-through on your troubleshooting process. I'm on my 5th gen3 hemi and thankfully never had this issue but very commonly reported on lxforums over the years

[@earlkoropatnick1928]

Your solutions are most likely right, a lot of engines these days both gas and diesel have oiling problems, mainly at startup. It's the manufactures way of getting their customers into new product

[@billygirard8294]

I agree with your 5000 mile oil change frist time I took my 2017 ram 2500 6.4 hemi in at 5000 miles service lady came telling me it's not ready for oil change I told her I said change the oil than I started doing my own service on engine only other problem that dealer can't address is tpms 80 psi is to much pressure in tires with no load

[@ReignitedAuto]

That is super annoying about not being able to change the TPMS settings. We used to be able to do that at the dealer, I think up to 2014, then they took that ability away from us.

[@clangston3]

I'm glad I found this video. I have a '14 Charger with 132K miles on it. Because of my normal driving habits (mostly highway driving and a comparatively low amount of engine idling) and regular oil changes, it put my mind at ease about possible lifter failures in the future.

[@MrThomasJonesy]

Just watched your budget build up series because I was debating pulling the 6.4 out of my challenger to replace my cam next weekend. You made it look easy inside the care. Now I am finding this video, from TODAY after I learned of my lifter failure lol. Oh boy. Thanks for the vids.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you watching!

[@briandonald]

I’ve heard that MDS is the cause of the lifter problem and some defeat MDS by engaging the gear limiter in the Ram trucks. Thanks for confirming that MDS is not the problem.

[@kevinaltimier250]

Great video dude !! Your explanation was spot on. I have a 2012 Grand Cherokee 5.7 hemi . Mopar had to replace the engine at 98,000 miles because of this. LI’m one of the fortunate ones that have a lifetime bumper-to-bumper Mopar warranty on my Grand Cherokee. At this point I might just go ahead and install that hellcat oil pump because I plan to keep the car for a long 😊 time .

[@christopherwalker8965]

Lifetime bumper to bumper? Dang! How does someone get one of those?!

[@mattdoyle8345]

Good Information! I have been watching your videos and believe the HV pump is one of the fixes for sure. The problem is no one wants to install it. I am pretty handy but a real world truck install sure would be helpful for many of us!!!! I also believe the new SN oil standard (year 2010) coincides pretty well with the model year 2009 5.7 Hemi. They kept the same amount of phosphorous (hence ZDDP) as the SM standard, but based on the SN standard description, made other changes that surely required more detergents / cleaning agents. More detergents will wash the ZDDP off and reduce its effectiveness. No ZDDP (effectively) = no protective barrier.

[@berserkerusmc7613]

The best diy presentation I've ever seen. Thank you !!!

[@newtongriffith4094]

Hi.I have been with Chrysler for over 40 years. I have a 2016 Ram 1500 108000 miles.I change my oil every 4000 miles with synthetic oil from new. As God as my witness I have never had a lifter tick. YES NEVER!!! . You brought up a very valid point about MDS . I agree that the lifter do better in MDS mode. I drive around town in tow haul mode witch keeps the engine in MDS for a longer time aka economy mode and you can hear it in the sound of the engine. I think that it helps flood the cam with more oil. Just a thought.

[@selfcarefordudes]

Nearly 200k on our 12’ Hemi, oil changed every 5k, idle it all the time, runs great.

[@garybeharrell3972]

we had this same problem in chevys and we put an eos in with oil change and never had an issue after that. As you mentioned it was usually in engines that had extended idling.

[@MH-rb7lp]

Excellent breakdown and discussion on this issue. I watched your earlier videos where you determined that the HC pump was the way to go which prompted me to order one and install it on my 19 5.7 I just put into my 71 charger. I need to order 2 more, one for my 14 Ram 2500 and one for my 10 Challenger RT.

[@ReignitedAuto]

That's going to be a fun Charger!

[@MH-rb7lp]

I am hoping so!!@@ReignitedAuto

[@Corsairforu]

Glad you explained difference in High Volume Vs. High Pressure pumps, I've heard those called different like that but did not know why. And seven quarts is a LOT of oil! Some people don't like the AFM on GM vehicles, they think oil sits in there and bakes since it isn't constantly flowing.

[@tomcraftdonkey2285]

About using a heavier oil weight, couldn't the thicker viscosity help protect the lifters? I'm not talking about the oil pressure at all, only the viscosity. The 5w-20 vs 5w-30 debate for the hemi has gone on for awhile, and when leaving out the oil pressure, studies have shown (for example, on projectfarm's channel) that the thicker oil can do a better job at lubricating. I know that there can be problems with the VVT and maybe the MDS with a thicker oil, but just for lubrication, what do you think about running a thicker oil?

[@johnrose1934]

Living in Los Angeles driving city streets to work and back , I have no control over my excess idle time…stoplight to stoplight. 40 minutes to go 8 miles. This video was the sharpest, most data driven explanation of why the Hemi tick (cam/lifter failure) happens and how to reduce the likelihood or potentially prevent it altogether. Thank you!

[@paulbaker655]

Hey. Buddy. Try. Good. Synthetic. Oil. Mobil. One. Royal. Purple. Amzoil. Wont. Gum. Up. The. Engine. Added. Insurance. Just. A. Thought. Thanks. Buddy. Good. Luck

[@scottpearce7466]

Go Full synthetic 0W40

[@MarkBaasch]

I bought a retired Idaho State Patrol Charger, bought it from a auction, bought it on line. Drove from Washington state, they drove it around and I heard a tick! I pulled the cam out, one lobe was wasted, had another going bad, but it wasn’t the lifter, it was the hardening on the cam wasn’t good! Spinning at 1,000 revolutions per minute, I’m sure the cam lobe started destroying the roller first, then the lifter destroyed the lobe! The one lobe was getting rough, the roller was still pretty good!

[@ReignitedAuto]

Definitely think there was some cam hardening issues!

[@ericmyers1306]

TLDR; use a high-volume oil pump from a Hellcat 6.2L = PN 68195993AD. direct bolt on to 5.7 and 6.4L. start @16:55.

[@lyndonohue3350]

Very good deep dive into this issue. It all makes sense with supportive information, and it as cursory or dismissive as others.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Appreciate you watching!

[@ethanhayes5574]

Just an anecdote, but I did the hellcat pump upgrade on my '11 Grand Cherokee 2 years, 20k miles ago. Just had a lifter go out anyway. I still have faith that the upgrade is worth it. I'm going to take this opportunity to do some upgrades to the valvetrain. Love your video about putting a 392 cam into a 5.7. Thanks for all the work you do!

[@jimmystark5730]

I’m glad I found your channel. I just purchased a 2012 charger ex highway patrol car. It has the lifter noise and misfire. So I’m adding a comp cam and lifter. Along with exhaust mods.

[@ReignitedAuto]

Those are pretty fun cars once you get them sorted! 👍

[@kmarlow1]

Never knew of this issue until it happened to me! I am fairly mechanically inclined and usually have at least some insight into common problems on common vehicles. If you start getting this specific lifter tick, don't wait! It starts as a common lifter tick that progressively gets worse. Mine was slow enough that it made it hard to notice it worsening! Im stubborn and always want to fix car problems myself. That in combination with the problem being on my daily driver, just ended up costing me more in the long run. Wish i would have seen this video a year ago! Awesome content! Very informative.

[@joemiller2629]

I agree . More frequent lof services will do wonders! I worked for years in a dealer service department. Oil life reminders are the worst. People will always push them even further. Oil is cheap! Change it before it tells you to. 3- 5k no excuses!

[@joeblowe7545]

I'm comfortable pushing the 5.7 interval out to at least 7K. Reason is the large sum size of 7 qts. If it was 4 or 5, then I'd scale it back to about 6K .

[@bobbybieln853]

My Pop had a 2005 SRT 300, he loved to pull off the road and talk on his phone. Around 109 thousand he asked me to look into this squealing noise,it sounded like a hamster wheel that needed grease. I told him the bad news ,the lifter. I swapped a OEM take out cam from a 06 6.4 . The old one was a billet steel core,the newer was a casted steel. We think the lobe was soft and killed the roller . It's a lot of work getting to the point of pulling the cam. 12 + hrs to complete, Dodge parts guy said 11.5hr ,so I was happy that I came close on my first hemi cam swap Great technical info ,wish I had it back in 2010 !

[@kaseysimons128]

Great video that condenses previous videos and updates to the current time. Thanks for putting the work into this for our community. I plan on putting a 5.7 in my 58 Plymouth... With the pump upgrade and higher quality cam/lifters.

[@zachariahstillwater]

what are the higher quality cam/lifters?

[@rockyestep7381]

5w-30 solves it cheaper than a hellcat pump. Just a little thicker oil stays on the part longer. Just like a differential. Good oil clings to the parts..you can actually drain the oil out and the parts last way longer than ever imagined simply because the oil coated the part longer. I am not saying way heavier oil.. just enough.. 5w-30 full synthetic has cured more than 1 for me. GMs also have lifter problems. Same problem 5w-20 may be lighter and help mpg it is too light to stay on the parts long enough to cool and protect... The hellcat pump works because it just delivers more oil faster. 5w-30 stays on longer and therefore does not need to be sprayed faster. Jmo.

[@ShaneEstabrooks]

Totally awesome.. much appreciate all your research on this topic. So I read a lot about this topic and on my 2014 Ram 2500 6.4 BGE the oil type mattered as part of my warranty. So Pensoil 0W40 synthetic it came with is the only oil that has been in the engine from day one. I allways change my oil at 30% which is between 7000kms and 11000kms. I worry about idle times so get into a cold truck after 5 minutes...but I have wolverine heating pads on my oil pans with a timer to turn on 2 hours before the truck is started. Living above the 55th parallel I see a lot of Hemi tics and I'll say idle time is number 1 but poor choice of oil and lack of maintenance is proff too. 😊

[@jimmyford796]

I have a 2010 Challenger RT 6 speed manual and I have a 2014 5.7 hemi block from a Charger that I plan on building for my 87 Dakota. When you first put out the oil pump video I bought 2 of the Hell Cat oil pumps but I haven’t installed either of them yet.

[@BoostedMotorsports]

Awesome info as always! 💪

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thanks for watching my man, can't wait to see how the 392 Dakota comes out 👍

[@dalelessard4543]

Developed a limiter circuit versus a divider. It functions normally up to ~ 60 PSI where it begins to limit the output voltage equal to ~ 65 PSI. I packaged it into a plug-in adapter the goes in between the oil psi sensor and OEM harness. Works great with my MDS and I see the actual oil pressure all the way up to 60 PSI before it limits out.

[@ReignitedAuto]

That's awesome, I was hoping someone more proficient with electrical components would come up with something like this. 👏

[@glassglowz]

Great information! I wonder if the upper psi limit was set to prevent damage to the MSD system. Thoughts?

[@MrBudpln]

This is truly an awesome video! It's amazing me sitting on my couch can learn so much about an engine in 15 minutes! Thank you for the video! I am looking ti buy a truck soon and saw one with this engine in it.

[@007Knightjp]

A lot of great information. The comment on switching up to a hellcat oil pump is interesting. As someone who has faced the dreaded lifter tick 3 times on two different trucks, I can safely say that part of the reason is the move to thinner oils. On pre 2009 engines, the manuals state to use 5w30 engine oil, but on my 2014 trucks, the manual said to use 5w20. This is only for better EPA ratings. GM has the same issue with their 5.3 and they too specify thinner oils. I believe the bearings are not getting the lubrication they need. I followed the manual and did the changes right to the letter and it bit me in the ass. That is why when the tick happened, I was puzzled. My brother's Durango had done much more miles and it didn't fail at all. Not a single issue, and he was sloppy when it came to maintenance. I noticed that the dealership here in Dubai does not use 5w20. They keep using 5w30 to every engine (despite what the manual says) that comes to them for oil changes. But they will happily sell you 5w20 when you're doing the changes yourself. There are those who have been using 5w30 / 0w40 engine oils on their Hemis and have never faced a single tick or issue. So my advise to any Hemi owner is to keep the oil change intervals short (like 4000 miles) and use a good 5w30 / 0w40 engine oil like Mobil 1 or Valvoline. If your budget can include Redline, use that as it is the best oil for the Hemi IMO. In my own reading online, it has been noted that Hemi engines respond very well to oils with a lot of moly in them.

[@daltontallman8721]

On Project Farm he shows how the thinner oils don't lubricate and protect like the thicker oils. So no wonder my Chev died at 211,000 miles (340,000km) . I kept it alive as long as I could

[@007Knightjp]

@@daltontallman8721 Moving to 5w30 early on in its life certainly would have saved it.

[@007Knightjp]

@@danherrala2087 Quite a few people on the Ram forums including myself, ran Redline and haven't faced issues in the cats so far. Some have been running the oil for years. You could be right, but I haven't seen any cases being reported at the moment. Perhaps its the kind of zinc additive used. For instance, we know that moly in the oil isn't the same as what is in LiquiMoly's MoS2 additive.

[@shoes121255]

Lifter failure is still happening on the 6.4 truck engines which spec the 0w40. I can't say if it's happening at the same rate as the 5.7, but there are still frequent reports on the ram HD gasser page. It may help due to better film strength but I think it's only a part of the solution.

[@007Knightjp]

@@shoes121255 I can't comment on the 6.4. I don't have any experience with it. However there are few who have been using Redline 5w30 on their 6.4s and not had any issues. Perhaps, its not just the oil, its the additive package. Hemis do respond better to oils with good amounts of moly. I've often read where owners use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 0w40 as specified for their 6.4 and add some Lubegard Biotech. This additive has been known to quieten the Hemi tick in engines that already have lifter issues, so it could be used as a preventative as well. Also i'm guessing unlike the 5.7, those with HD are professionals, tend to try to extend the oil change intervals to keep running costs down. I've learned that Hemi engines like short oil change intervals. If you have the 5.7, my original comment stands. If you have the 6.4, give it a try. Maybe select a thicker range of oil like 5w40. All I've said, I learned the hard way by experience and reading through a 4000 page thread on the ram forums.

[@d_manoil1647]

The only Hemi advice channel I trust

[@FlatPlaneCranky]

Thanks for this clear summary and update. Still loving my 2019 Scat Charger!!

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thanks for watching!

[@dandownen]

Thank you this helped me greatly. 2014 jeep grand cherokee 5.7L hemi 126k mile number 5 lifter. I did get the hellcat oil pump and swapped the spring.

[@dandownen]

I finished the assembly today. At 203 degrees it idles with 38psi oil pressure using the hellcat oil pump with the stock oil pump spring inside of it.

[@dandownen]

Correction. Full temperature after driving for an hour, the oil pressure at idle is 33 psi.

[@carltaylor8166]

350$$$ more when companies advertise them as Hellcat lifters 🤦 I've been preaching this to people for years!!! 10:02

[@AMRSAMIIIR]

I’ve watched your previous videos before and here is a rundown of what i did after a couple of research to build a solid 5.7 Hemi 2014 Ram 1500 SLT Hellcat Oil pump Hellcat lifters (MDS Delete) Comp Stage one cam (for more power) 5w30 Amsoil signature Change oil every 3100miles (5000km) Ram V6 oem electric fan direct fit replacement than the mechanical (tune it to open at 194F) Deral 12row oil cooler mounted with a puller fan (tuned to open at 194F Truecooler transmission cooler Mildon 180 Thermostat Amsoil coolant Morooso oil catch can So far no issues its my daily i tow my racecar to travel, i live in the gulf so the most heated countries Hope this will help anyone 🙏🏼

[@waltergrasmick5615]

Great video, lots of great information. I have an 08 Charger that I am thinking about upgrading the cam and lifters to the 6.2. I will put a Melling pump in at that time also. I am currently getting ready to change a wiring harness to solve a problem with the MDS showing an open circuit and not functioning. I have it disabled in the tune, but want to get it working again.

[@kiingrashaad392]

When replacing the lifters and camshaft would you recommend replacing the timing chain as well?

[@ibcalm24]

I would

[@jeffmiller2433]

My 2011 has the lifter problem. Oil changed every 5-5500kms. Full synthetic 5-20. 185,000kms on the motor. Not idled excessively but I do live in a cold winter climate. Not sure why Ram won’t just put Hellcat pumps in everything.

[@ReignitedAuto]

I've often wondered myself why they haven't gone that route. It can't be costing them that much more to build the Hellcat pumps...

[@terrylee773]

Yours went out around the same time mine did around 180,000 miles on my 2014 Chrysler I bought a whole non mds cam and lifter set with head gaskets and all. Currently looking for someone who will do the job

[@zekearchuleta6061]

Great presentation, I do now understand the HEMI operation MDS and oiling system, Have been Engine building since the 70's, a lot has changed in the years! Thanks Again!

[@nokoolaid]

Very educational video. I have a 2020 1320 and I change the oil every 5k/6months, whichever comes first. Oil life tends to be in the single digits at that time. I use the recommended pennzoil too...Hoping for the best. This car is actually my daily driver, with around 10k a year. The only oddity I find is the oil filter weeps a bit. I use the 899 filter and tighten it to spec. I wonder if that happens to anyone else. The engine doesn't use any oil either. I have another year and 9 months of powertrain warranty left though.

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

Work at Chrysler for few years the 899 filters need to be really tight not to leak. Don’t be afraid to crank it down.

[@H.R.6688]

I wish you were close to me, I'd love to let you do some work in my 04 ram 2500 for content on your channel. You've been very informative and helping me keep my truck going. 187,000+ miles and no major problems.

[@michaelbezos2969]

Great educational video. As I listened to explanation on oil pressure/volume & error codes I kinda anticipated the oil sensor needed to be re-ranged or a different sensor such as on the hell cat engine needed to be installed. The voltage bridge was brilliant but I though the low end readings would be 12% lower now too. Being an old insrrument/electrician journeyman have seen field issues in instruments due to interference of all types from electrical induction to mechanical vibration, nicked cables when pulled in conduit. Anyway, having an 05 1500 with 5.7, 118k miles I have heard a tick now and then but now has quit. After changing crank sensor many codes have dissapeared fuel mileage increased, engine runs well. Thank you for your explanations & time putting together video. Most appreciated & subscribed & forwarded to some other 5.7 motor heads. Thanks Bro!

[@jimeckenrode1271]

I have a Ram with the 5.7 Hemi so I was very interested in this awesome and informative video. I change oil at 5000 or before and it runs like a top with no unusual noises but I also use a premium engine oil.

[@KYOSA91]

Just put a mopar reman into a 2013 ram1500 which did have a lifter failure at 112k miles (on a non mds lifter). And thanks to your previous videos I knew to install the hellcat pump when doing the job. Thank you very much for the help.

[@ReignitedAuto]

I hope it works out for you!

[@ewconway]

Excellent educational video. The only thing I recommend is you expand these discussions by doing 1-2 Live KZbin sessions so we can all group collaborate in a Live forum. 👍

[@pallen807]

Thanks for making this video its very educational

[@joeg2865]

Great video. For years I have used resistors to fix pre 1989 gm gauges. Gm used to put resistors right on the back of the gauge itself.

[@unclemarksdiyauto]

Great info. Super easy explanation. I don’t own a Hemi up here in Canada, but have and do own some Dodge products. I always tell people to do what most manufacturers say, (I tell my wife the same) get in vehicle and start it, then put seat belt on and adjust whatever you need to, turn radio on etc. Then put it in gear and go. Don’t drive like a maniac if it’s -40F, but start driving & tack it easy for a few minutes. The vehicle warms up way faster driving than idling.

[@glenosborne9807]

Brilliant. Thanks for your videos. I've had a lifter failure on a 2013 5.7 in a Ram truck. I do my oil changes religiously between 3500-4000 miles but I did idle the truck a lot. Winter in Appalachia.

[@davestewart9146]

This was absolutely awesome, thanks so much for taking the time to explain this 👍😁

[@ReignitedAuto]

Thanks for watching Dave! 👊

[@ricardojaramillojr5071]

What year hellcat motor oil pump do u order it or whats the part number

[@ChrisSchmuck-t8o]

Love the information ℹ️ I am currently purchasing a 2018 Dodge Durango with 180k miles and blown engine Has rod knock I will replace whole engine with a used one then keep the blown engine and rebuild myself! I am still researching on which parts and brands to use for the rebuild to make it a solid build and to avoid all the problems that all these engines are known for! I am also not racing It will be my family car but just want to have the power already there