Rachel Leviss & Bethenny Frankel interview | Psychologist Reacts

[@kerryalfaro9437]

I celebrated nine years in recovery from opiate substance abuse and dependency on July 31st ( of this year);and I'm in recovery everyday of my life !!!!! It's something that has to be done everyday whether it's mental health ,substance abuse, even though they are synonymous with each other you are absolutely right!!! All she did was learn a lesson, but she hasn't even begun to go into the past and deal with and identify the reasons for her behaviors!!!

[@pattilynnwahlsimmons]

Congrats to you for your recovery.🤗

[@alisonpellicciotti375]

Congratulations 9 years you should be proud🎉😊

[@lauratarry3450]

Congrats darlin!! ❤🎉 I celebrate 17yrs, God willing on Sept. 15th. It is absolutely an everyday job!! She needs help and is not going to get it from Bethany! Bethany has her own agenda for sure, she's after Bravo big time. She doesn't really care about Rachel or any of the other Bravo celebrities she can get her hands on!

[@lauratarry3450]

@DeterminationInspiration-pj2oi good luck to you.

[@lauratarry3450]

@amylusk9827 thanks! Not quite 17yrs yet! LOL, I have three boys, they def keep me humble, and remind me of that fact! Yes, Scheana is definitely honest and straightforward. Bethany has a major resentment against Brovo, and is out for blood. She will use any and everyone along the way to achieve her goal. She's preying on Rachel, for the sake of furthering her fight against Bravo, and this girl just doesn't see that!

[@innny8536]

Completely agree with your comment about the dog. James took care of the dog and loves him but she was willing to give the dog to strangers.

[@karenholcomb2968]

James likes the biting sensation. He really may be the reason Grahm bites too. I'm sure Rachel knows how much James enjoys being bitten. So it makes sense why she would say what she said about that whether it's true or not. It would be a shame for poor Grahm if he were to have to be euthanized because he bit someone else because he hasn't been taught not to bite but was urged to bite

[@youyeedyourlasthaw]

@@karenholcomb2968what the fuck

[@DoctorJoanieTool]

I really dislike Bethany so I am biased but she so clearly had an agenda for this entire endeavor. She knew that this would bring huge ‘ratings’ and lots of eyes on her ‘reckoning’ that she is constantly talking about on TIkTok. She did this to further her own narrative and as much as Bethany was trashing all the people who made money off of Scandoval - Bethany is now one of those people. She used Rachel in the same way as everyone else did after this happened by seeing an opportunity to advance THEMSELVES.

[@The_Variant]

I'm not biased, I was ok with her, now I really don't like her. You're right.

[@melaniedelaware7500]

I completely agree. It was so obvious.

[@Tooley2008]

Bethenny is the definition of a Communal Narcissist. I’m curious as to what it is about Rachel that makes her such prime prey for narcissistic abuse.

[@ChillyNoodles02]

I agree with you

[@AdriannaDiazA]

Ariana didn’t use Rachel for anything. In fact, Rachel wouldn’t have been in this position had she not slept with Tom and engage in a 7+ month affair. Ariana was the wronged one here. Raquel is an airhead, and the only wrong done to her was the possibility that Scummyballs recorded her video without consent. Bethenny doesn’t care about anyone but herself. It’s gross.

[@brendascott7028]

Rachel knew what she was getting herself into. She was a huge fan of the show for years before staging an accidental meet n’ greet with James Kennedy, while he was DJ’ing, with the sole intention of getting on Vanderpump Rules. She knew what type of an environment she was walking into. James, for his part, was a pawn in Rachel’s plan. Then she victimized Ariana by pretending to get close to her & sleeping with Tom because she desperately wants to be Ariana, to the point that she demanded the same pay as Ariana. Ariana has been a main cast member for years, Rachel has been in a ‘friend of’ role for the few years she has been on because she doesn’t have the personality to pull off a main role. Bethenny and her ridiculous podcast turned this into a 3 part episode where she spoke about poor Rachel and how the cast & Bravo were exploiting & profiting off of her, while Bethenny herself was exploiting & profiting off of her. Rachel fell into her trap of playing the poor victim again but then clarified that, had Bravo paid her what she wanted, she would have returned to the show. Lastly, everything is everyone else’s fault including it being James’ fault for Graham’s behavior. It is clear that she learned nothing in therapy and needs more treatment.

[@The_Variant]

Yes!!! All of that!

[@AnneBall-ed8dn]

Bullshit

[@katearevalo1211]

Agree

[@christina1764]

Very well said 🤍 I'm afraid Rachel for several years has shown signs/symptoms of having a personality disorder of the type which is particularly difficult to treat - Unfortunately.

[@joshsaunders6392]

Why does she need more treatment if all of it didn't help?

[@heavenlyvilla8681]

I completely agree. I listened to all 3 parts and it seemed Rachel did not really own up to her part in the affair, more focused on how everyone else was benefitting from it and how unfair everything was. She also minimised Arianna and Schaenas right to their hurt and betrayal by saying they werent really best friends. It came across as I did this but.....and immediately tries to diminish her own role and actions.

[@olderthandirt1]

Bethany is all about Bethany. She is no doubt doing a very good job at taking vulnerable people and manipulating them to advance her own agenda.

[@tanyaphilstrom7077]

Just like oprah

[@NJ-Cathie]

Yup.

[@jblkcns]

I hated how she treated her ex-husband. I haven't watched anything she's involved in since then. You're correct, she's all about Bethany.

[@NJ-Cathie]

@@jblkcns it was obvious 5 minutes in after she invited Jill Zarin onto her show it was all about clicks/views. Bethany could care less about Jill. What a way to treat someone who launched her career. With regard to her ex: I really feel sorry for his parents. The daughter is the only grandchild they have. Bethany could give a flying F if her daughter has any sort of relationship with them. It will be interesting to see how the daughter treats Bethany 10-15 years down the road.

[@upliftingdepression655]

Rachel was filled with nothing but excuses and Bethany was an enabler. 3:07 yup. Enablers are the reason Rachel cannot evolve. Very strategic

[@elizabethhamm5320]

I find it interesting that Bethany didn’t have all of this to say about Bravo when she was on the show, got a spin-off, returned to the show, and then left again when they wouldn’t give her a producer credit and more money. I wonder if she was waiting for them to beg her to come save the show after it’s crappy ratings. Perhaps when they didn’t, her ego couldn’t take it

[@carolyndaigle770]

Holy efffff! Please! Your hate is unnecessary and deliberate to cause pain if Rachel were to read comments. It's just unkind. MO

[@upliftingdepression655]

@@carolyndaigle770 lol there’s no hate. Just accountability relax. Accountability helps people to grow.

[@lindaefraim5895]

Mom love you so therefore I’m here…… once again, Rachel doesn’t do it for herself. She did it for mom

[@judeannbodell6345]

Great overview. Rachel showed insight but fell shy of sustainable growth - but it’s early days in her wellness journey. She completely contradicted herself about not rejoining the cast (hell no! to yes I was negotiating within 5 minutes) Bethany likes a fight as much as the next reality star and she’s taken on a big dog with bravo.

[@ginao6810]

My two takeaways: 1. Rachel has used therapy to let herself off the hook. I’m glad she no longer sees herself as worthless. But she still did a very bad thing. Self-worth doesn’t mean you never feel bad about yourself ever again; it means you remember you have value in spite of the deeply shitty things you have done. The world in Rachel’s head still seems to be a rather black and white, good or bad, hot or cold, simple world. 2. Bethenny is TERRIBLE at follow up questions. Rachel said so many things I wanted them to delve into. B just wanted to talk about stuff relevant to her own crusade.

[@Riyah-wo5bb]

The whole cast except one has questionable morals and values. But Raquel pays the price, unbelievable.

[@mares9393]

She can let herself off the hook, but the viewers sure won’t! She has NO remorse what so ever!

[@innny8536]

Really enjoy when you do these descriptive videos. Helps me see things from a different angle.

[@justjill4891]

I’m amazed at how clueless Rachel is. She was a tool used by bravo and then the allowed herself to be used as a tool by Bethenny. Girl, you gotta get some common sense. Everyone is using you. B is one of the biggest housewives bullies out there.

[@aud7777]

You are so freaken spot on!! Once again!! Thank you 👍 👍👍👍

[@janicebowen4266]

Thank you for your opinion. You brought up some really good points.

[@Tra.Rai.]

I agree. What gets me is that, affair aside, Rachel was an ugly person with the way she spoke to everyone. The things she said at times were insane during last season. I don't believe for 1 second she understands what she has done. She knowingly slept with a man who she was well aware of being in another relationship for a decade. She did this to herself, just as he did. She and Bethany have no right to blame producers or Andy or Bravo for her actions. They did this OFF camera... camera's only became involved AFTER Ariana found the videos on Tom's phone AFTER the season was done filming. Blaming the show is not fair.

[@joellepatry493]

Bravo has no culpability here, IMO. I agree, what they did was off-camera.

[@jakestroll6518]

Even more outrageous than blaming the show is blaming Ariana. First she absolves herself since their relationship didn’t have “longevity” (despite heading to it 10th year, despite buying a house together, despite trying to make embryo). Then she started to imply that Ariana was part of some bizarre conspiracy known to Rachel as “the Scandavol of it all”. I guess Ariana publicly humiliated herself in the hope that a show that nobody was checking for would go mainstream and she’d get offered sponsorships by Duracell batteries. Lololo

[@betsybabf748]

Bethenny has shown her character over the years. It is not surprising she bashes the people who gave her the opportunity to be extremely rich and successful. She has bashed every person in her life, having horrific relationships with her parents, her ex-friends, her ex-husband, etc., always twisting all and blaming them. She takes what she wants then tries to destroy who has been there for her. She's the epitome of damaged and dangerous. Rachel is still not owning her actions and shows her lack of all character. She's off the show and should just disappear from the public, as no one can respect her.

[@FranB3713]

Wow... Judge much?

[@beemoji2280]

@@FranB3713 LoL, okay Bethenny

[@beemoji2280]

Bethenny is the poster child for the saying "if you meet an asshole in the morning, you've met an asshole. If you meet assholes all day long, you're the asshole."

[@dannyg6683]

I dont understand this whole entire nonsense of people bashing B so much. I dont think she is the nicest person but in many instances she is the lesser of 2 evils. She is not biting the hand that feeds her when if that hand could get away with having just given her scraps it would have. Now she sees that so many people who are on these shows get nothing and the network gets everything. She's not a bad person for seeing something wrong and saying that it should be better. But then everyone turns around and says the same stupid thing of "you knew what you signed up for" but most of these people don't really know. If things can be better they should be. She is fighting to make things better. B gave Rachael a platform and maybe it is self serving but ultimately we can argue no good act is ever selfless.

[@betsybabf748]

@@FranB3713 Yes, judging is required in a society. We act accordingly because we judge and are judged. Our freedom or loss of freedom is maintained by judges on behalf of society. Our choices and consequences are based on judgment of our fellow man. What is wow is the low educational level you have shown in your comment, so we as society take that information into account in our engagement with you. You just judged my comment, so hypocritical much?

[@The_Variant]

Funny Bethany was talking about emotional abuse when she was actually using rachel to TRIANGULATE Andy Cohen and Bravo.

[@chiamika]

You’re so Awesome at this! Thanks for your insight!😊

[@michelleholtzapfel8918]

Bethenny is all about the drama and money. She got both of those with these interviews- it especially feeds her newest feud with Bravo.

[@davidpuerto1619]

I had the exact same thought about Bettheny's questions. I kept thinking that if this was a court of law there would be constant objections of leading the witness.

[@theresabrinkley5996]

Bethenny never watched an episode of Vanderpump, didn’t bother doing research and has absolutely no idea how HIPAA works. What do her interns (who according to her make over $360k per year) do all day?

[@michaelathompson3310]

Love that you picked up on all the same things. What did you think about her not really placing blame on Tom for videoing her/not exploring her feelings on that and how she felt about him other than just saying it happened more or less? I thought it was so weird how she got quite bitchy about Ariana supposedly sharing the video and not being her best friend/just an acquaintance etc but never really got in to the damage Tom did to her and how she feels about him now

[@barbiem5509]

I just love your channel, your great at breaking it all down 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@rebeccareber113]

I agree with almost all your insights, which were perceptive & succinct. Bethany did this interview to serve her own agenda, so she neither asked probing questions nor provided a safe space. Rachel definitely needs outpatient therapy to develop strategies for everyday stress and life’s surprises. My 2 nitpicks- (1)James did create the dog’s biting problem, but the issue is that Rachel gave up the unadoptable dog - she doesn’t get a say in who takes him in. (2)Bethany’s questionable motives aside, reality shows have predatory contracts & working conditions that would not be allowed in any other field. Finally, let’s all do what Rachel really doesn’t do (because she’s clearly still under his thumb) - go after Tom Sandoval for being a manipulative POS.

[@hilariecalijo4643]

Bethenny had her own talk show at one time. Seems like she’s trying to revive it or relive it. I’m sorry, but I have zero sympathy for Rachel. The cheating was not ok, but for me the lying and the complete lack of conscience and concern for anyone else is what makes her “diabolical.” She had no problem looking Arianna in her eyes and continue to lie, manipulate and fool her. That is “demented “ behavior. “

[@jakestroll6518]

2) VPR isn’t shot like say Love Is Blind. The cameras only pick up 2 months out of a year and shooting is done on a schedule NOT 24/7 like something like Big Brother. Rachel has never been a big deal and was definitely not shooting every day or even 8 hours a day on a regular basis. Plus the show premise is to follow cast in their daily life so following her waitressing isn’t an issue. Even when they amplify life for cameras, VPR cast is not locked in a room with no drinking water and only alcohol as the beverage. 350K for 2 months during which you hid the most interesting thing about you. 1) We only have Rachel’s word that James created the dog biting problem. She’s proven herself to be a very unreliable narrator and one especially prone to blaming others for everything. And anyway, she’s had that dog it’s entire life so why didn’t she get a trainer for it? IF he trained it to bite, why didn’t she intervene?

[@rebeccareber113]

@@jakestroll6518 I mean when cameras are up, they have to be on camera and production controls the locations and the duration. I'm not saying it's as extreme as Love is Blind, but it's not like they are just going about their day with the camera folllowing them around. I'm sure there are times it feels the same to the particpants. And when I criticize these contracts, I am not absolving the talent of their own personal responsibility. I'm just putting them in the context of employment overall, where long hours, alcohol and below minimum wage is generally looked down upon.

[@julielockhart1904]

Because in Rachel’s mind…her “reason” for doing this was also her “excuse”. Those two things are fundamentally different. “Reason” for doing something doesn’t “excuse” the behavior. That’s where Rachel is wrong.

[@TBwth]

I Totally agree that R has gotten more $hit than Tom. He went on tour, he's out and about, she went into hiding for months. I really wish everyone was focused on calling him out for his lies and manipulation. That said, I am so annoyed by Rachel announcing that Tom and Ariana's relationship wasn't real. How would she know? How does she know how Ariana felt? Ariana has been clear that she thought they were going through a rough patch but they were going to work through it. We know Tom and Ariana were still sleeping together as late as a month before the breakup and 6 months into the affair. Even though Rachel knows she was lied to she is still parroting Tom's lies and not fully taking accountability.

[@jakestroll6518]

Blatant lie! You must be one of those who don’t follow this show or the news around it but think you know. Nobody forced Rachel into hiding. She could have gone on her own tour or started a podcast or pitched her IG for ads. Sandoval stuck it out even though the whole scandal is literally named after him. Even though brands on social media were actively trolling him. A nail polish company roasted his nail colour, a holiday resort outed that he was there, Duracell batteries paid Ariana to diss him in an ad shot in that house. His business partners were openly considering ejecting him. His businesses were review bombed. And people were trolling him at his concerts with placards And most of all Rachel was only present for one segment of the reunion. Sandoval sat through the entire 8 hours, including all the hours that were edited out. And IMMEDIATELY after the reunion, Bambi-eyes Effect took over and people started infantilising a 28 year old who had a 7 month affair with her friend and co-workers partner in the house they share. Suddenly it was “HE made her do it”. Sandoval is an incredible narcissist but so is Rachel.

[@TBwth]

@@jakestroll6518mmm kay.

[@ShariBrown678]

Thank you for putting words to what I was feeling! Formerly a Bethany fan but this felt gross and self serving to me.

[@Logic-km7ui]

I though the same thing watching that interview. I like Bethenny, but the conversation was constructed to further her personal agenda, not to examine Raquel's feelings.

[@dearblabby]

I think you're fair and impartial in your assessment and obviously that's why I subscribe to your channel. I disagree that Rachel has taken more abuse than Tom. How are we able to quantify who garnered more sympathy or abuse? She hid for three months and experienced no abuse, so I'm not sure what barometer we're using. I love when people show you who they really are and Rachel has only reinforced who we, who are fans of the show, already knew her to be. She, along with Tom, will get absolutely NO sympathy from me.

[@sandram852]

Tom had a thicker skin and is carrying on. Rachel could have done that and negotiated a huge salary for season 11.

[@dearblabby]

@@sandram852 I have no pity for anyone who can't take responsibility and accountability for their actions.

[@rebeccareber113]

I generally follow the rule the cheating partner is way worse than the third party. Sandoval lied to them both & took advantage of Rachel’s eagerness to please. He’s still doing this.- notice how Rachel still uses the word “brand” To describe a relationship. That’s Tom’s word. Also, he has more support than her. When she lost her girl friends, she lost everyone. He still had his guy friends. I’m not defending Rachel’s actions & definitely not her lies from this interview. But Tom is so much worse in my book.

[@joellepatry493]

I agree it’s obvious Tom was filling Rachel’s head with his own narrative.

[@jakestroll6518]

@@joellepatry493 She’s a grown woman. 28 years old while she was doing all that. Rachel did this because she wanted to cement her place on the show via Tom once James became untenable. In fact her first solution was to build a storyline out of wrecking Katies and Schwartz amicable divorce? She needed either a storyline or a strong advocate. And she’s incapable of being single. That and she’s hyper competitive against other women.

[@Thelightupnorth09]

“Feel your feelings” is being talked about but for people who aren’t (unable or scared or don’t know how to do that) doing that, the big part that always seems to be missing is the how. If you’re someone who isn’t feeling their feelings or listening to their own body’s cues, being told that starting to do that is key isn’t enough. To be truly helpful, that advice needs to include a very basic, practical (“tactical” to use a term your wonderful wife once used), description of how a person can go about starting to feel their feelings. What do they do? What questions do they ask themselves? How do they recognize and name the things they start to notice? What do they do next when they can recognize they’re experience having a feeling, when they can name it? If you’re not feeling your feelings or listening to your body’s cues, it’s either because it’s the only thing you know or because you’ve practiced avoiding doing those things to the point of not having the skills or instincts to be able to feel/notice them anymore. There seems to be a huge absence of information after that initial advice (everywhere - not specifically you or your channel), and it would be great hear detailed practical examples of what you might advise someone like Rachel to do as first steps to begin learning how to feel her feelings. For example, what does advice such as ‘get out of your head’ look like? How do you ‘name a feeling’ when you’ve practiced blocking or ignoring them - how do you start noticing them in the first place? How do you keep an emotion around long enough to feel it rather than reflexively acting in a way to avoid it and how do you unlearn or slow down a reflexive action? Further on, how do you identify an act of avoidance vs distraction vs skillful management vs healthy boundaries? It’s a huge topic and maybe too heavy in some ways, but even an inclusion of some of the ways the people (as presented) on the shows your review might begin to get in touch with their feelings and start listening to their bodies (‘authentic selves’) would be great. Most people don’t have many healthy examples of this in their lives, and healthy often goes unnoticed anyways. Practical examples using people we ‘know’ - what you might suggest someone like Rachel do, what you might expect someone like her to experience or notice, what results or reactions you might see as reasonable, could be a great way to illustrate how people can put ‘feel your feelings’ into action in their own lives. Of course not sure your goals or considerations when it comes to advice/treatment lines you consider with your videos, and love the channel as is for you and your wife’s take and watching how you discuss things together. Offered only as a comment to show an interest and appreciation for how you explain and describe psychological concepts, and the unique way you’ve created to share your skills with us all. 💛

[@cheryln9950]

I thought Rachel started out taking accountability. I was appalled when Bethany read off those names called at the reunion. You could see Rachel regressing back to pre-therapy. That was counter-productive to her progress but showed Bethany's true colors. She is the original mean girl and obviously trying to take advantage of Rachel.

[@The_Variant]

You are on the money doc!

[@coffeecake1803]

Great commentary!

[@SaltyMsMorton]

Bethenny tried to sell a show to Bravo just 6 months ago. Seems hypocritical.

[@joellepatry493]

Because it is. Apparently, she’s already made over $300k off the “interview”.

[@SaltyMsMorton]

@@joellepatry493 I also dug deeper and she’s going after Andy because he had the “ordacity” to bring up Bethenny using the housewives as a way to bring attention to her podcast when all she’s done is complain. There’s a WWHL with Jeff Lewis and her, 8 months back. Jeff makes one tiny comment about the idea of a reality recap show not being original and Bethenny went ape on him. Yet she can’t seem to understand why Ariana would go ape to Rachel. She’s a walking hypocrisy. I also forgot she tried to sue TikTok too, months back, in a similar fashion to her takedown of Bravo.

[@BillieDixonProductions]

This according to Bethanny is not the case. Each story has three sides the two opposing sides and the truth. I'd recommend you listening to Bethanny's version of this particularly situation.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Exactly. She would have more credibility if she had spoken up earlier. She left Bravo because they didn’t want to give her what she wanted (a ton of money as well as a producer credit). She didn’t do it out of principle. She even defended Bravo when Aviva said that Bravo pushed her to drink alcohol

[@SaltyMsMorton]

@@BillieDixonProductions key words “according to Bethenny”

[@lissetcevallos1027]

You said everything I was thinky, ty

[@joannegrieco8523]

She gave her dog away, James loves the dog and he's taking care of him

[@marybella24]

I only listened to the first episode because I can’t stand hearing Rachel speak so thank you for your thoughts 😂😊

[@stonedbynita6879]

David, I believe the thing about the dog🤭

[@HiThere-tv2bd]

If this has been her personality all her life then I wouldn't expect a whole lot of growth in a few short months. It takes years. To me it seems she allows herself to be led especially if it's a strong personality. She's doing that in this interview, she did that on Vanderpump Rules and I'm certain she did that with Tom. In any case, I think it's time for people to stop beating her up. Just ignore her if your bothered. Bethenny does really good work with her charity so hopefully she's not just using Rachel and at least compensating her.

[@joellepatry493]

They usually don’t get compensated for this kind of interview, other than maybe travel expenses. It would compromise the integrity of it. In this case, I don’t think there was integrity to start with. Bethenny used her, to promote her own narrative.

[@ginao6810]

Yup. You could see on the show she would repeat lines other people gave her. The last few eps of Season 10 you could hear Sandoval coming out of her mouth every time she spoke of Katie or Schwartz. In the interview you can hear some poor therapist trying to cover basic topics. And someone in her life uses the word “narrative” a lot because she said it 2592 times in the interview. She’s like a parrot

[@thevibrancyreboot3835]

I used to watch VR but hadn't watched in several seasons, so I know of the cast members and their relationships, but I missed the whole Scandoval drama. I also already do follow Bethenny's podcasts, even though I don't listen regularly bc Bethenny can get on my nerves. However, I went and listened to the Raquel episodes after I saw you do a reaction video. I listened to the podcast before I watched your reaction. I know lots of people have unbridled hatred for Raquel and Bethenny. While I think those feelings are probably justified in the respective cast members' historical behavior, just based on listening to the interview and not watching the show, I got a sense that likely some of that viewer vitriol was over the top and unchecked. Additionally, even if Bethenny and Raquel had agendas in doing the interview, I did walk away with a better understanding of how reality TV, and specifically Bravo, exploits cast members to their peril for its own financial gain. It's clear that both Bethenny and Raquel have scars from the experience, as others do, I'm sure, even if they profited. So, from that angle, I appreciated the enlightenment provided by the interview. Listening offered me a newfound disrespect for the whole reality TV experience and how utterly twisted and unethical it usually is. I know Bethenny is biased and probably wanted to give Raquel a platform to gain someone on her side; however, I don't have so much of a problem with that. Everyone is entitled to tell their story and try to further their POV. Moreover, it doesn't seem like anyone else was covering that POV because of fear of retribution, so I don't think it was problematic for Bethenny to decide to be the one do the interview. I appreciate the opportunity to hear both sides of a story, and to do that, you need to hear BOTH sides...even if there was an agenda to profit from the interview. My big takeaway from the interview was that in a million years you couldn't pay me enough to ever be exploited on reality TV like that. I mean, I knew that the system was dirty, but I never realized how bad it was. So, from that angle I appreciated the interview...and I am not even a full throated Bethenny lover. I can only take her in small, select doses. Nonetheless, I felt this interview was more of a tolerable and educational dose. Whether or not Bethenny and Raquel had axes to grind and did so didn't matter so much to me. I'm sure the other cast mentality have their axes to grind as well. I doubt any current or former cast member is gaining true enlightenment from doing the show, profiting, and then doing therapy to rise above the downsides of the experience. They're probably all pretty broken and shallow to position them to take part in the experiment, so I agree with you on that point. Maybe the interview revealed both former reality TV members' commercial agendas, but I don't know that having the agendas completely negates the veracity of their views/feelings. I don't know if any of us can fully know their growth or lack thereof based upon anything we learn about in the media.

[@CrayolaCoffeeBean]

Curious to hear your input on a common internet occurrence… I’m thinking back to when I first saw it with Tati, James, Shane, and Jeffree… everyone gets fixated on the first story, then a little more info from the other side comes out and everyone flips, then a little more info comes out from the original side and everyone flips BACK again…. It’s like whiplash. I’m seeing it happen here already!

[@The_Variant]

Unpopular opinion: I think people hate both Tom and Rachel equally. I think that people think she was attacked more because she supposedly got help while Tom was out partying. Also, if she did have it slightly worse as far as public backlash I believe that is because we expect more from women than men, and because the audience is overwhelming women disgusted by her betrayal.

[@nomadichomebody4230]

Right?! The only difference is that Tom loves the attention and thrives off it. He just threw himself into his existing businesses and Rachel has none.

[@sandram852]

So spot on. For sure, reality personalities should get royalties. I wish Bethany would just focus on that. That would be a huge win. But it looks like Rachel and Bethanny want lawsuit $$$ and that seems wrong to me. Bravo has invested millions of dollars into producing their shows. Some shows do well, others do not. They take a risk with their investments. And how many names did they drag through the mud in this interview? How many false things did they propagate? It's shameful.

[@gwhiz5313]

I just listened to Bethany's interview and im bothered that Ravhel mentioned more than once i didn't make a penny and she wants a "redemption arc" .... what? I believe she may not go back to VPR but she will be somewhere. At no point did she say im going to pursue my life long desire of being x which she said in S9 she was leaving to do.

[@sjayy290]

Thoughts of hipaa violations/unsafe workplace legally from a mental health standpoint?

[@bashamnatazah7448]

I think Rachel got more heat because she was not remorseful for her actions. Tom was mean to Arianna. But he cried (I think he was faking) to Tom and to Lisa. Even though Tom is a complete butthole… he ACTED a little remorseful. Rachel was cocky and appeared to not care that she hurt Arianna. I was just appalled by Rachel’s behavior.

[@h.r.h.mvthequeen9101]

Hey David, the thing about the dog (Graham) is not over the top, it is a very dangerous issue. When a puppy is allowed to mouth and bite hands, it teaches them that hands mean “play” without boundaries or limitations. Keep in mind, dogs don’t have hands like us, technically their mouth is their hand. When they see a hand, they want to grab it and - well - play. The faster the hand is moving the harder they will grab it with their mouth. As the dog gets older their bite gets stronger, consequently humans, especially a baby or small child, can be seriously hurt when a dog grabs the hand, which ends up with the dog getting “put down” for doing what he was taught. Rachel should have gotten Graham training to help him stop the behavior instead of waiting for a serious bite to happen to just “rehome” him. Unfortunately, getting rid of the dog is the most common solution. I just hope that the rescue, Lisa Vanderpump or James Kennedy got the dog the training - to save his life.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Unfortunately, it may be too late. Her parents tried training before they surrendered him. The doodle rescue tried another trainer. Raquel is weak. It’s one thing to tolerate cheating and not protect yourself from that. It’s another thing to tolerate behavior that endangers others as well as the dog.

[@h.r.h.mvthequeen9101]

@@elizabethhamm5320 Most trainers can’t help. It requires a specialized trainer who keeps the dog for weeks in order to successfully reprogram the dog. It’s very, very difficult.

[@elizabethhamm5320]

Not sure what was involved in the training. I know that the trainer at the doodle rescue recommended that Graham be put down. I certainly hope that it’s not too late and that another trainer could help. I just wish that Raquel had protected Graham earlier. Even if she had to let her parents take him. It was her decision to stay with James and her dog is suffering because of it. Not to mention her mom who was severely bitten

[@BenTrue75]

Team Bethany! Sorry, not sorry!

[@bd102386]

The people need a series on The Ultimatum!!!! And maybe also a separate video on Nick and Vanessa Lachey, because, are they ok????

[@nickolaspagano9171]

need longer episodes

[@dianeemanuel8541]

I wish Rachel would have waited a few more months and done more work. Then paired with a therapist - life coach and or relationship expert and done a book or her own podcast talking about - how she got to the bottom- what was the facility like- helpful tools and skills- revelations- work ahead… and come to this with merch of her own. Bethany did her no favors.

[@jennifer6833]

Best comment

[@heavenlyvilla8681]

I wonder if Arianna has given herself time to really process all the hurt, given how much she has been doing since the bomb shell. I think in next season we will see some of the undealt with feelings come out.

[@dianeemanuel8541]

PLEASE- interview UCAN’s Nick Thompson (formerly of Love is Blind) He formed this nonprofit foundation that provides reality employees with mental health and legal services. Works w SAG & Teamsters. Be on it a few yrs. Why B didn’t work with him?

[@thecapetonian1278]

Rachel owns no one but Arianna an apology. She is allowing Bethany to exploit her just as Bravo has. She had an affair with an unmarried but not single man with no kids by his partner or others. The public will move on and forgive her.

[@rebeccareber113]

I would agree except for lies. She keeps lying about the relationship, about Scheana, about the TV show. I don’t think she owes us an apology, but we don’t owe her any respect either.

[@ginao6810]

It’s hard to forgive someone who doesn’t seem very sorry. I don’t think she deserves any more public thrashing. But from the interview it sounds like she has used three months of therapy to let herself off the hook.

[@wendyhollingsworth1875]

Spot ON!!!

[@bvergara4061]

I Bethenny is a hustler who used and manipulated a clearly still unstableRachel/Raquel. Rachel\Raquel clearly stated that her mother approved the interview because she trusted Bethenny. Hello? Once again her own parents screwed her over. She really needs to grow up and handle her own life.

[@andedom]

I’m glad you’re keeping an open mind. I do think Rachel and many other stars of bravo shows are taken advantage of. I think the environment Andy creates is incredibly toxic I also get annoyed when I hear Bethany and Howie Mandel minimize the affair though…

[@Roz-y2d]

Bethenny has her faults but I don’t believe this was in any way self serving. She didn’t ask some of the right questions but she’s not an experienced interviewer. Nor is she a psychologist. She gave Rachel the chance to tell her story. And don’t forget Rachel approached Bethenny, not the other way round.

[@alinad.316]

I just wanted to point something out with regards to the last thing that was mentioned about “gender difference” and how Rachel got it way worse and what I would say to that is that to some extent her role was more offensive because in Tom’s case he was just cheating like 1 million people do and even though he picked within the friend group, the bigger betrayal came from Rachel, betraying her own “best friend” and someone that had supported her unconditionally, even when her own family didn’t. Someone that gave her basically a place on the show, and had her back through all the adversity she went through so the betrayal was colossal in that sense, even though granted, Tom did cheat on his girlfriend of nine years, but there’s just something about Rachel doing that that just seems so much worse to a lot of people for many reasons.

[@jessicamaitlandlong4905]

💯 exactly, let’s also not forget she’s was sleeping with Tom in Ariana’s house while she was at her grandmothers funeral. After the scandal broke didn’t she also spend the night at the house when Ariana was away. I’m sorry but you gotta be a special kind of trifling to do that to anyone much less a friend. No self respect.

[@denisenardiello762]

I just listened to the podcast. I love your take on it. Really helpful to point out Bethany and her interview style. I didn’t notice as much until you pointed it out. I believe you are exactly right. Also agree 90 days is not NEAR enough time to heal from any type of trauma. It’s just a start

[@hannah37458]

This is off topic but since you're discussing Bethenny, you DEFINITELY need to go watch the house wives episode "scary island" and would love your thoughts.

[@dianeemanuel8541]

To me - Bethany talked over Rachel, was impatient to fill her pauses and constantly reframed Rachel’s experience to dovetail int Bethany’s Reality Reckoning. Rachel did not seem ready for this exposure. Bethany seems toxically attracted to Rachel in an abusive way. I don’t know if Rachel still has representation ( attorney- publicist-agent- manager-accountant-parent). She should not be there. She should not be accusing without substantive evidence- use I felt or I believe statements. Bethany could have partnered with of given a bigger platform to Nick Thompson ( formerly of Love Is Blind). His nonprofit UCAN provides mental health and legal support for people past and presently involved with reality TV. He works with SAG and the Teamsters. So Bethany is ignorant and messy at best if she is unaware. Additionally she is unaware of the show and skipped major areas of cruelty on Rachel’s part. Bottom line Rachel cant blame production on the fact she mad bad cruel decisions for 7 months and hid it. She can’t be mad at cast members side hustles. Rachel can blame production if they covered up the fact Tom allegedly confessed to filming her without consent or covered up alleged dissemination of said video. If she pressed charges or sued- this would be provable. If they promised a mental health advocate and did not follow through - it’s a problem. where were her representatives? Health Insurance - this show was about people working at SUR.- who should provide health insurance. Why not take on Restaurant Industry or better yet US Health Care in general? Residuals are fair.

[@jenc7945]

How can you not understand why Raquel got more heat? She had an affair, yes but it was behind a good friends back. A friend she hung out with, spent time with her at her house and even had the audacity to ask her about her s3x life with 💩💩head. That friend voiced how she’s still hot for 💩💩 head so Raquel KNEW how that friend and she still continued. She TRUSTED RAQUEL and Raquel took that trust, knifed her in the back and twisted it and has continued to lie or make excuses for it. Tom did the same thing of course but the betrayal from a friend Ariana actually defended repeatedly makes what happened even more hurtful.

[@Never-mind1919]

And the way she got cocky with it! She felt power from it. That’s what she was getting off on. You can see it through the whole season, her getting cockier and mouthier and acting like she wasn’t scared of shit, when she had spent the last few years acting like the Bambi eyed bitch that was dumber than rocks so everyone felt sorry for her and TRUSTED HER! The way she talked to Lala? The way she talked to Katie and Terry? The way she spoke to Ariana about how she felt sexually about Tom? Fucking Psycho! And Tom was there every time, defending her, jumping into the girls convos to do it. He fed her ego, the same as she fed his, and they both got cocky about it, but especially Raquel. She got drunk off the power it gave her.

[@melanieohlbrecht3980]

Yes yes!!! Thank you for calling out the absolute bullshit & blame shifting

[@astrologydivathayer4531]

Tom should get way more of the heat, and fallout from the affair simply because he was in a relationship with Arianna. Why he's skating away scot-free I don't know

[@greendoor4030]

what about an analysis of Bethenny

[@WanderingTruckandFirefly]

Can you please address what Rachel calls Hyppa violations with the employer

[@blackmantle541]

HIPAA laws mean that your Healthcare provider cannot discuss your private info with anyone without your permission. What Andy said about her "appearing medicated" is not a violation of HIPAA. Rachel has no idea what HIPAA is.

[@stephtacular127]

Spot on

[@charlaydamcgriff3136]

Excellent

[@phoenixarmijo7553]

Absolutely -Excellent channel...💫 Great Lessons and enlightenment possibilities💥🌠 have helps for cast and crew on board . Allow Everyone to just keep on keeping on. Not some watered down facsimile of real humanity, YIKES. Now, after the world stoned Raquel. (keep your name Raquel) When does she own her Responsibility. We will neither regret the past nor shut the door on it.

[@leanitaragland-brooks9702]

Clearly a law suit in the making against Bravo, felt like Bethany leading Rachel down that trap. Rachel clearly just repeating the script she learned in therapy, she has never used any of this type of academic language in her past. Rachel getting used once again and you are spot on.

[@helenbeckingham2832]

So good

[@johnene]

If Bethany would have watched beyond "online clips & the reunion" she would have known how much Rachel lied. Bethany was too busy pushing her own agenda, it was very obvious. Don't forget, these reality TV people signed up for the job. It's not as if reality TV is a new concept anymore. 🙄

[@nomadichomebody4230]

I think the podcast was a big mistake for Rachel reviving her career or whatever she wants to do in the spotlight. If she wanted to share more of her truth and story, she could have started her own podcast and talk about her treatment and what she’s learned about love addiction. That might be an interesting topic. A podcast about being a mistress… not so much. It’s clear she was manipulated (I think mostly by Sandoval) but she isn’t really speaking about that. She is easily misled as we’ve seen. But I don’t think she was taken advantage of by the show. She knew that environment included fighting and cattiness and she seemed like a willing participant. She even says she amped it up this season. She didn’t expect any consequences for her actions, maybe she thought it was fake so she doesn’t understand the criticism. She signed a contract. It’s not like she was deprived of food and sleep. Reality tv is notorious for manipulation by producers and editing people in a certain light. It doesn’t make it right, so maybe she could have only discussed that aspect with Bethany if they chose to advocate for union rights for reality stars. It was a bad move to blame everyone else including the dog for her choices. So much victimization and conflicting ideas. She expects to be given hand outs without actually doing anything. If she really wants to see change in herself then it’s wise to step out the spotlight and continue seeking treatment. You have to have a thick skin to be on reality tv. I don’t see her taking the initiative to create her own business or brand unless she hires a team. Reality tv gives you a platform but not handouts.

[@elizabethnovak4951]

Interesting. I couldn’t read all the many comments so I don’t know if anyone mentioned to you that Bethenny (Frankel) was one of the original Real Housewives of New York. I don’t know if this factors in for you or not. From my experience watching RHONY I’m not really surprised that Bethenny would say just about every thought she had, and damn the consequences.

[@TungaroPlau]

The show had fake/ semifake/calculated betrayals of the triangle type since season one. Incidentally with the very guy in question. Since season 1. Means the mistress was in on it as the wife was in on it as the husband was in on it as production etc

[@marianicholls2741]

Noone is under any illusions about what Bethany is doing or why she is interviewing Rachel. It would have been all thrashed out between them beforehand about what was to be said. Rachel is willing. Do it Bethany. Hopefully Rachel and others will benefit further down the line. Reckoning is the most apt word for what has been happening.

[@Riyah-wo5bb]

Should Bethenny have paid her for the interview.

[@karenholcomb2968]

I do have to say that while it seems over the top about James teaching Grahm to bite. It is true that James does enjoy the sensation of being bitten as I'm sure Rachel is aware of. So maybe it isn't beyond the possibility that James at the very least let Grahm bite him because he has some fascination with the sensation rather than to try to break of the habit of Grahm biting.. As we know dogs will bite as a form of defense also some dogs have the propensity to bite more than other breed of dog. It is also true that dogs are like people when it comes to genetics. It could be that Grahm is genetically predisposed to this behavior. But at the end of the day James does like the sensation of biting and what better way to get that need met but by letting this dog bite him. Keep in mind James and Grahm were living in the same place together since Grahm was a puppy

[@lindadavis3728]

I think Rachel was a beautiful young girl with a sweet optimistic view on life when she came to be on Vanderpump and clearly she loved James and James loved her. Boy was she in for a topsy turvy ride with LaLa coming at her and telling how dumb she was and others saying she was clueless when all she was doing was supporting the guy she was in love with. This all changed, in my opinion, when she started looking in the mirrior finding fault with herself and having alterations done on her looks. James didn't want her to change her looks, she was lucky, he was in love with her and her natural good looks. She went ahead and had rhinoplasty done and I think she become empowered with her new look and by doing so James was disappointed with the direction she was going ongoing messing around with her looks. LaLa called on him to tell him to let Rachel do what she wants, it is her face so don't bug her about it. Her desire to win a beauty contest went sideways and she left James. Scheana welcomed and Ariana welcomed her in to their crowd with opportunities to meet and date other guys. In my opinion, she was a fish out of water trying to act like she had it together on the show trying to make sure she is and was accepted but different off the show she was looking for a fun time and someone to have it with. She definitely was not the same girl when she was with James.from when she hooked up Tom. James supported her and because of that he expected her to be the perfect arm piece. Tom Sandoval an extrovert liked being out and about, Adriana more of introvert wanted to spent her time at home. Who wouldn't want to stay around lounging in their beautiful, comfortable investment. From what is said by others on the show is the Rachel first found a friend in Tom and then she became his groupie out in about having a good time. They apparently had similar energy. The rest is history. I think Rachel was in a stage of finding herself and still is. She is not a victim, she is just a person living her life while making some mistakes. She is not a victim. She just needs to move on if she will let herself.

[@PetraHanner]

It was an interesting interview. Rachel made a horrific series of mistakes that she still needs to atone for. The reunion went beyond holding her to account - it was brutal, unrelenting punishment from equally flawed individuals.

[@todayandtomorrow123]

I agree to a point, yes Bethenny could have been more objective, but all those claims she made about the abusive nature of reality tv are ring true to me. they were very abusive to her at the reunion. Bethenny is echoing what a lot of viewers were feeling and observing.

[@francesauraliadelacroix]

I am pleased Bethhany did this it will aid the law suit to provide better rights and stop TV companies from causing mental health issues by intentionally cultivating an unhealthy psychological environment. Who else could do it other than Betthany? There is no one better equipped and I hope she is successful on her mission.

[@solarshido3747]

Totally agree. It's exactly what I was feeling watching the act the both were playing for their own agendas

[@Maliceless100]

I wonder how basic decency is affected by Bravo or gutter television (ugly conflict as entertainment). Could Housewives franchises succeed if the formula changed into a more aspirational show with people behaving? Ever since C-SPAN was introduced to Congress, politicians perform for cameras and hostilities grow. These "reality" stars/shows also seem performative in a way that purports one thing while being another. I wish Bethenny had the society-eroding component in her take on Bravo. It all seems very Colosseo Roma. In my mind, Cohen is slightly less evil than Trump.

[@vixstar73924]

I really do want Rachel to grow and learn but I felt she devalued her friendships with Scheana and Ariana, regardless of the narrative she still did a horrible thing and it felt like she was still blaming Bravo for why she had an affair, the verbal abuse was harsh at the reunion but it was still fresh from the affair, they have not verbally abused her since then, they were upset at the time. Some statements Rachel made still sounded like she was upset by the cast making money from her affair and it seems like she felt she deserved to make money from her bad decisions. She still has a long road ahead of her and I hope she continues with the therapy. I would not want to watch her podcast as she still doesn't have a good sense of self and is still misguided in her thinking also her voice is really annoying to me.. but I am glad she is not going to continue with reality tv. She is not built for it..

[@amyfromindy]

I really like Bethenny however this interview went off the rails and Bethenny is to blame. She certainly was not even subtle or discreet in her agenda going after Bravo and Andy Cohen after learning from Jill Zarin they had duped her in regards to shooting at Bobby's funeral. I used to love Andy Cohen and Bravo. Year's ago I began to see Andy/Bravo intentionally seeking and using wealthy, insecure, thirsty women who could easily be manipulated. I feel Bravo is hugely responsible for creating and normalizing an ugly, divisive, loud and proud, morally-corrupt attitude that is the new America. Andy Cohen is the Donald Trump of Bravo...the King of the loud mouth drama bullies, liars, cheaters, criminals and all those who idolize and see this as cool. I agree with Bethenny's idea of a crusade to protect reality actors. Unfortunately she messed up BIG by not viewing any previous season's footage of Rachel. It appeared obvious about 15 minutes in that Bethenny realized she was sitting in front of someone with much bigger issues than her actions on the show. Rachel is mentally and emotionally a child and has no business being on this specific reality show. I think Bethenny soon understood she was in over her head and this is what resulted in her gross overcompensation in feeding her answers within her questions.

[@josephinerawley6683]

How do you know that Rachel is probably still getting help. She apologised to Arianna and the rest of cast who are cheaters crucified her. They forgave tom though.

[@wheresbaby7783]

I think thats cool of bethany to exspose them its called being tough

[@laurazytczak9840]

If you listen to ex bravolebtities, YES, they are rewarded for bad behavior and the are coerced to do and say things that are not necessarily truths, to create drama… I think the REAL subject should be, what does being part of this from early twenties and what happens regarding your growth and maturity 10 years later.. looks to me like they are stunted

[@Sunshine134_]

Stunted? Hahahaha! Hardly. Many just get richer. Don’t be jelly now.

[@eduardo081092]

Definitely Bethenny had the intention of putting Bravo in a bad light. But implying she didn’t feel compassion towards Rachel is ridiculous bc of that, it’s just logical that if she’s on Rachel’s side she would be against Bravo’s, she’s been studying how detrimental it’s for Reality Stars mental health to be in a Reality Show and that most Realities are just negligent to their employees and they don’t care for their wellbeing, I’m sorry but I’m and employee and and I have a lot of tools for psychological support coming from my company why wouldn’t reality stars have more rights? Bethenny is a business person that always looks at the bigger picture that simple people living the simple life will never see, she has critical thinking and knows too much about several study fields, not just psychology.

[@kristina4395]

🎱 Does Bethany have an agenda? Yes.... 🎱 Is what shes advocating against Bravo correct? Yes... 🎱 Is your video insanely unprofessional with a deeply disturbing lack of any empathy and awareness of abuse and explotation?... Double Yes

[@allisonm7223]

The things that were said by Bethany was the things that all the women said to her at the reunion. Imagine if all my co-workers called me those names in a zoom meeting. They would all be fired.

[@nyeemanicole5616]

I don’t think she got it worse. They went ham on him at the reunion and have you not seen photos of him sitting by himself crying while everyone else is having fun. They both got it and they deserved it in my opinion! Kristin said it took a year for them to talk to her again after the Jax situation. She got slapped on camera and Jax got punched in the face on camera.

[@Schmaltzykins765]

I think the conversation about manipulation and exploitation and the dehumanization of people via reality tv is important. I feel a lot of the important parts of the conversation were lost in the agenda of “what project is next” and more “he said she said” of the random scandal details.

[@blackmamba4422]

I'd listen to the part about James and the dog again. You said it was over the top but you quoted it over the top and exaggerated lol just sayin ❤

[@lindadavis3728]

I believe Bethanny was sympathic to Rachel, As you watch the reunion and see how Rachel was getting dragged you just wanted to reach inside the screen and tell them to stop the badgering she is attacked enough, so yes Bethanny was sympathic to take down. I believe Bethanny is on a mission and how it will turn out is unknown. I don't understand her attacks on a BRAVO, a company that gave her a platform to success. I think she is trying to direct the company to ease up on humiliating cast members instead hire a cast of interesting, successful, would be a more interesting representation of the women that they hire. There two woman that come to mind would be Bethanny and Lisa Vanderpump because of their naratives when they go into the booth of truth telling. The two of them knew how to sling the truth in an entertaining way. There opinions were cushioned with the nonsense of it all. If Bethanny's goal is to rehabilitate Bravo with boundaries and look for a combination of interesting cast member that stay within the safe boundaries then that leads me to believe Bethanny is trying to be the director, producer, and the CEO all rolled up in one. She really can't help herself.

[@kathryngilbert5952]

Im so disappointed that Bethany Frankel did this entire thing.rachel is horrible

[@operationpaperclip3952]

Dear host I think you're wrong: 1. You take what Rachel said, which is that, She's gonna start a podcast on her issue AS IF she is saying that: She is gonna start a podcast as a PROFESSIONAL on the ISSUE of the "The Other Woman", i.e., The Mistress.. 2. Dear Host, this is how I interpreted what rachel said: She is going to interview professionals. And in her questions, she's going to add what she was going through... what she was thinking, and They are going to respond. THAT is going to be her NICHE in a Podcast. 3. Don't tell me You're JEALOUS that a layman might get more audience Viewers than you, a Professional!? 4. Don't tell me: Are you full of hate because women are getting together to address the issue of being a 2nd Class Citizen: The Mistress? My goodness!, Maybe Bethany and Rachel might help women get out of the business of being a mistress and getting their own man, eg? ...Goodness gracious.... What are cheating men to do with themselves now? Problems problems. Men's problems just don't seem to go away. One is addressed and then another pops up. Tsk, Tsk.

[@user-he3ek3cs4z]

And Rachel gets used again. That interview was totally out of character for Bethenny ,,,,she had an agenda...how dare she do that to Rachel! I lost respect wont be watching Bethenny anymore no way no how.

[@BillieDixonProductions]

Meh, agendas, money grabs, hypocrisy, and judgement are everywhere. For one, this very channel asks for money via the thanks button and it being monetized; so this critique of Bethenny making money from Rachel's interview, so what? I don't know how long and to what degree Rachel needs to keep apologizing. Ariana and numerous other cast members cheated and lied and this isn't to say it excuses Rachel, but it does bring to mind the concept of grace. These people should have grace and stop using Rachel as an excuse to mob and bully the way they do. I'm over the mob mentality and hypocrisy from the public and pop psychologists.