Racing Games Lesson - Driving Styles

[@zio4590]

Me, playing Asphalt and NFS: "What is a 'clean driving style'?"

[@calliris]

I tried driving clean in NFS, i just, can't.

[@zio4590]

@@calliris It's like reloading your gun in Tetris - impossible.

[@zio4590]

@Jurassic Mindset It's- well- a joke.

[@theheadhunter2427]

I don’t get it on nfs heat I’m pure grip

[@albertusaswin2012]

Asphalt... Meh. NFS, we still can try clean driving. Mention Carbon, 2005 Most Wanted, Shift.

[@JaydenHW]

While this is a very good way of explaining the importance of driving styles to beginners and amateurs, there's still more to driving style than just one or the other. For the purposes of this video, driving styles were split into two different types: Clean and dirty driving style. What was demonstrated throughout the video was the difference in speed and cornering with each driving style, and which situations one style could be more likely to occur than the other. The basic premise is that a cleaner driving style is faster than a dirtier one, generally providing more accuracy, higher cornering speeds and less probability to crash. I can't sum it up like shown in the video, but it's a good way of outlining to the viewers how much driving style can change how fast or well you drive, or how much you enjoy it. Now here's where my thoughts come in. When it comes to driving style, no two drivers are exactly alike. It's not quite so simple as 'one drives clean and the other not so much' but it's also the smaller things that matter. Throttle control. Braking technique. Steering technique. Ask yourself questions like if your the type of driver to do small slides through a corner? Do you try to encourage slight oversteer? Or understeer? Do you brake late into corners? Do you focus on cornering speeds or exit speeds? All of these things and much much more are what matter for making *your* driving unique, no matter how similar or different. If I were to sum it up then, clean and dirty driving styles are what lay the foundations for a driving style. These foundations can stay the same, or be changed. What matters equally as much is what you build upon it :) - The new guy in the Viperconcept comment section: Jayden HW

[@fordgt5383]

Hey Jaiden remember me?

[@antonpeterson1245]

Jayden your comment is valid indeed but can you imagine how long the video would run for if Viper or anyone else was to describe what you have said? I think Viper has gone through the basics to get the ball 'rolling' as people would say.

[@JaydenHW]

Yes of course the video is very good for that purpose, and I agree not much more would need to be said to get the message across. Mainly I just wanted to add to what was said in the video, and provide a deeper insight for those interested. Might have been better to make that clear in the comment, but uno no dramas right? :D

[@JaydenHW]

Ford GT also yea I remember you lol

[@buno9370]

hello, do you know where i can learn more about driving styles ? i´m a beginner simracer and would love to learn ways to improve !!! Also i´m really sorry for any mistakes, but english is not my first language

[@faizaanahmed1540]

These are great lessons man, I learn so much from you :)

[@MGdrifts]

Faizaan Ahmed did i just saw a AR player?

[@abhrajyoti2589]

You also comment on blackpanthaas videos, don't you? I have seen your comments on his videos

[@wunyons]

I know this might sound weird but I use a mix of the two driving styles.

[@shadowgaming6660]

Me too.

[@WispyEmbers]

Drifting for showing off or bragging cause of how much a lead you have.

[@USDM_Jesus]

@@WispyEmbers I'm some corners no matter the car drifting can help to not lose as much momentum in hair pins mostly

[@thatotherboi8044]

@@USDM_Jesus same man. I use an old ford rally car in asseto, and in some hairpins i have to drift a bit to keep the rpms up

[@ГонщикНелегальный-з1б]

NFS Prostreet. My grip corolla is a slidy-ass car,but damn,if you try to not slide at all this will be worse than grip+slide in racing line. Also sliding is easy to control and predictable. It just fun to drive this.

[@Gamebit257]

Viper. You're tutorials meant a lot to me! From the basics of track learning (never thought why had those numbers on the corners) to entire setups, I fell in love with the absurdly complicated, yet satisfying, Racing Simulators.

[@Rio-1984]

Sliding is less efficient but a lot more stylish...my opinion...

[@rolandtiiroja]

I learned Nissan 300ZX Z32 in RaceRoom. Very powerful car and drifts likely. It's a nice feeling of saving a good power slide.

[@wanaiman4604]

Plus more fun

[@windows10759]

Less efficient? Grid 2 enters the chat.😈

[@dmcharlestt4945]

Dirty driving works a lot better with cars that have low grip like old road cars and can am cars. Powersliding was their way around the track. Grippier cars like GT3 and open wheel cars need to be driven cleanly. A perfect example of this contrast is how you need to drive a Porsche 917/30 if youre hotlapping versus driving a modern LMP car. Your video was very very good in explaining this, the examples weren't perfect but I can't deny the quality. As always, much love from a loyal subscriber :)

[@louisfernandez2005]

Dominic Charles very well explained!

[@Oleg-oe1rc]

It can also heavily depend on the situation. Even with cars that have slower lap times with dirty driving, it can allow you to get ahead of an opponent and take the lead even though your exit speed isn't ideal, but that doesn't matter if they can't get infront of you anyway. There are also some situations where the opposite can be true.

[@mariosx7475]

I personally prefer the "dirty style" driving. I don't know why you call it dirty since it's as ok as maximum grip style. I can do both but I choose my style based on the game's physics. For example I won't slide a f1 car but I prefer drifting/powersliding a Japanese or muscle car

[@MegaFPVFlyer]

"Dirty" just means that the tires aren't always 100% planted and you have to be much more erratic on the steering wheel to keep the car stable. It's in no way related to the infamous "dirty driver" that uses cheap tactics to gain an unfair advantage.

[@MegaFPVFlyer]

Oh boy, I can't wait to encounter my first dirty driver once I start racing online!

[@godfroot682]

I prefer the dirty style mainly because my opponents are always using supercars and I always use a civic *I still end up losing*

[@filipjohansson2812]

Jonah Beale but when you do spin in a high grip/downforce car the slide gets a lot worse a lot harder to counter

[@albertusaswin2012]

Actually that depends on style and car, as you said.

[@dapsfix6606]

On a front wheel drive car you can also try trail braking. It helps lots in inducing oversteer when you first begin to turn in on corners. you have to come in pretty hot though, apply the brakes by gradually adding pressure as you begin to turn, first starting with no brake pressure as you throw the car into the corner( turn in hard like viper did in the video tutorial) and then quickly apply full brake pressure as you begin turning in to the corner( don't lock the brakes, just brake at the maximum threshold. and also you have to ignore the traditional braking point for this technique. simply brake hard as you turn in). Essentially you want to shift the weight of the car to the front tires as you turn in to increase front tire grip to help with turning, and also make the rear lift, to make the car oversteer a bit.

[@notdreadyet33]

That works, but that's not really trail braking. Trail braking is trailing off the brakes. In general, grip cars should have about 80% of their braking done before turn-in, and trail off the last 20% going into the apex. It keeps the car balanced and ready to get back on the throttle. Less trail in open wheel, more in road cars. The first application of the brakes needs to be almost threshold and the hardest part of braking and then start trailing off. It's the exact opposite of how most drive on public roads when they gradually apply brakes. If you're slowly applying brakes to more and more pressure, you're losing a lot of time.

[@cihans4923]

7:25 Tipp for you. You always choose 2nd gear, even if 2nd gear is way too short and has only a few revs left. I know you can choose a lower Gear to destabilize the rear to make the car go around long corners better, but here you always bang rev limiter and loose time. You also don't put into account the torque curve. The M4 is has very Torqueful engine with a lot of mid rev power. So pulling out from 4000 instead of 6500rpm will give you better acceleration out of the corners, since you would have to Shift once more and not use the full potential of you Turbocharger and torque.

[@Hettdizzle]

Thank you, this really clears things up, because I'm stuck on the open wheel part in career in Forza 7 rn and after watching your other videos I've been kicking myself for not having a cleaner lap in the car, but now I know that it's OK to have a little bit of over steer as long as I keep it minimal and under control! Love your videos man, keep em coming!

[@MiguelMedV]

Always learning from Viperconcept, I will never forget those details which will help me when I become a Real Motorsport Racing Driver. I love Cars, to Drive them it feels like you are Controlling some kind of Power that makes you whole (that complements you) so you need to guide it in the right way (feeling you are flying) to defeat the other "Riders" in the Race of Life...

[@mr.a6508]

13:40 that slide, that damn slide , so pure and smooth 😍

[@AV1ch]

It's funny how I discovered this thing while driving in pCARS2 just before your video came out. I thought about it somewhat differently, though - we have the cars that are aggressive (sharp reactions, you could call them "evil") and those that require smoothness (and precision). And to adjust to "smooth" ones after "aggressive" ones you have to drive like granny at first (meaning - no jerky moves, like you drive a boat, not a car), and then going more and more fast, doing all your best to save smoothness and precision. Thanks!

[@ГонщикНелегальный-з1б]

I know,my Prostreet grip ae-86 smooth and slidy

[@ydertbh5742]

Viper: Nascar/Oval Cars... Hardcore Nascar Cars: *angry stock car sounds intensify*

[@tomsterbg8130]

He is totally wrong due to the fact that stock cars not always drive on a completely oval track

[@light0342]

What is the song from 13:30? it sounds so calm and awesome while the car slowly slides

[@ZoomieDeer]

I want to know, too. I know that the song at 0:24 is "Connection" by Wayne Jones, and the song at 2:00 is the main menu theme from MotoGP 2.

[@ZoomieDeer]

*I found the song!* It's "Young And Old Know Love" by Puddle Of Infinity

[@stardust-reverie]

so THAT’S why fwd’s understeer this is a suuuuper valuable video, i’ll have to look back at this soon

[@TheFlacker99]

11:15 What the front tires also do is the majority of braking. Also I think the track layout also needs to be put into account.

[@antonpeterson1245]

Great video Viper. I also like to add that making the rear suspension stiffer in a fwd car can also induce oversteer and thus help it enter the corner.

[@SingleRacerSVR]

Truly one of the best Tutorials I've ever watched viperconcept - and I applaud you as a creator myself, for the way you have put this together. I describe learning sim-racing skills as a "Jigsaw Puzzle" where you might have anywhere from say 10-90% of the pieces in place, and are trying to find those other missing pieces from skilled drivers like yourself. So you just helped put another piece of the puzzle in for me, as I couldn't initially understand why in a contest I entered over 5 weeks - I ranked much higher than usual, when driving the Mazda 787B. But now I understand TOTALLY that it was because I am old enough to have grown up on "DIRTY" driving games like GPLegends & GT Legends (& many others), so I was able to get more out of the 787B, just purely based on that dirty driving-style I grew up with. Thankyou viperconcept, and this is VERY MUCH LIKED!!!

[@jamiedh3036]

This is probably the most informative Sim Racing tutorial channel on KZbin. Thanks man!

[@TheRonanSchuck]

YES! Bc it's fun and I'm nowhere near the driving technique of someone like viper, but I have a great deal of respect for people who drive the clean cars

[@Raitzen97]

Meanwhile me: Oh I think I can see a fly on the gas pedal... lemme stomp. >100 meters later *Tries to slide* >*spins* >>*spins* >>>*spins violently* *curses in Spinnish*

[@ST-qh1td]

Stop giving me ultimate nostalgia in your intros

[@luqout]

In a fwd car a sharp steering input will cause massive understeer when the speed is a bit too slow. However, if you approach a turn a bit faster than required, the spiky input will help you rotate the car.

[@pressstart1490]

Im an F1 fan. Everything i see in F1 i what helps me to learn how to drive better

[@gk-aplazt8676]

This lessons in LFS pyshics are very important and useful, first, the slick tires can heat very fast if the GTR is sliding cuz the huge grip can wear fast the wheels (if i'm not wrong), but in the GTI cars, is a yes/no. Those lessons are awesome. :P

[@fatbreadsan]

The tyre wear most probably comes from downforce acting on the GTR if I'm not mistaken, since more downforce = higher cornering speed = more stretch of tyre rubber when cornering = more wear. Edit : since sliding would stretch the tyre rubber more than when gripping, it wears the tyres a lot more when there's high downforce acting on the car tyres

[@azaralamouri5140]

Cosmic music, I feel humbleness. 🧙‍♂️

[@ZoomieDeer]

Just in case you were wondering, the song at 0:24 is "Connection" by Wayne Jones. The song at 2:00 is the main menu theme from MotoGP 2. The song at 9:42 is "Young And Old Know Love" by Puddle Of Infinity.

[@LazloRTR]

What about AWD? I know most of these is not 50:50 but even with rear bias it's going to be a quite different than RWD

[@JohnSmith-fh5du]

the characteristics are combined and you are controlling/fighting against the FF understeer and FR oversteer. It still feels like RWD except it's harder to oversteer depending on the bias like you said

[@WalterBurton]

It's not just your "fast steering wheel move," it's also because you lifted off of the throttle (and then re-engaged it when the front wheels were pointing in the correct direction).

[@Ralkila]

i was always passionate about racing games, i remember to play and learn tracks even in mario kart i tried to drive clean on the curves and so. My point is that i always wanted some tutorials exactly like yours, i am a fighting game passionate too and when you want to learn a character you type "game char combos/setups" and youtube or twitter will bring a lot of what people have come up with, but in racing games? the most i was finding was dudes playing project cars or forza either casually or "pro". thank you for this, i will learn and form my skill set thanks to you man. starting this year.

[@ahmedneamah7836]

Can u talk about Ayrton Senna throttle taps and if it actually works?

[@feyt8009]

ahmed neamah what is it?

[@Fuksias]

The way i see it, Senna used throttle taps as a way to test his grip and steer his car. Its a very reactive technique that allows for very accurate control on the edge of grip when mastered. If you take someone like Michael Schumacher, his driving was based on doing the same sort of thing, but with the steering instead. Way more common, especially in rally. Neither of these are the best physical way to corner, but the limit reaction time, precision, perception, and some other factors places on drivers means its the best thing we can reliably achieve. cars are also set up around this, meaning Sennas technique wouldn't work as well in a car set up for Schumacher, and vice versa. So its ultimately a game of compromises.

[@leadlefthand]

Michael Schumacher is a combination of both. He likes a more nervous setup to get the car to rotate at the apex, allowing him to enter a turn and exit the turn at higher speeds. He sacrifices a little on the apex, but the additional speed upon entry and exit makes up for the deficit on the apex. Not to mention, the slowdown at the apex forces the chasing driver to brake harder and lose momentum, making it difficult to set up an attack at the exit, so it is a very offensive and defensive driving style at the same time. Formula 1 cars are extremely stable so the nervous setup isn't that noticeable with the naked eye. However, in 1996 when Ferrari had a massive downforce deficit, Michael's style could more clearly be appreciated. Perhaps the clearest example was his qualifying lap in Argentina when Michael was sliding the Ferrari to get it P2 on Friday qualifying, while his teammate, Eddie Irvine, was further down the grid.

[@riolawrance7080]

I have learnt so much things in this channel, especially driving clean and its benefits. Thanks!

[@ltlin7545]

I love how informative and calm your videos are, thanks for the info.

[@commanderstyle06100]

Petite modif: le dernier mouvement c est plutôt un appel / contre appel ou ce qu on appelle aussi un transfert de masse provoqué. Possible en fwd tout comme en rwd. Continue tes vidéos. Ça fait des années que je te suis et tu es simplement top.

[@Padhoc]

@11:00 : c'est quel modèle cette Alfa ? J'entends un turbo siffler... 🤔 Giulietta préparée ?

[@ouiotzes1]

A question about that you said at 9:33 on this video.How do we now which is the best angle to be safe when car starts slide?How many degrees?I know it depends on tires,weight and drivetrain but are these the only parameters?

[@haryosoo]

What a nostalgic background music you got there while explaining the driving style of the BMW 2002... THQ's MotoGP 2 if I'm not mistaken

[@BacterialGrint_]

At 2:00 i recognise the track that was present in the menu of MotoGP2...great memories.

[@EarthIsFlat456]

Nice video. The more mechanical and aerodynamic grip a car has, the cleaner your driving style becomes, and it's not because you're consciously trying to drive cleaner, but because with more overall grip the car also becomes more stable thus easier for you to maintain control so your steering naturally becomes less erratic. That's not to say a race car is easier to drive than your Honda Civic, however.

[@limeddasch382]

To note here. If you want to drift / power slide properly through long corners. Keep the steering wheel at the position at which you had it when you entered the corner, only counter steer if your about to spin or if your getting out of the corner and need to straighten out. That‘s the observation I made driving dirty.

[@RallycrossGT]

I'm all for sliding. I love Rally and Rallycross. However, there is a time and place for that. Not ever car can slide (as you said) and not every track is suited for that either. I think people who can slide tend to be better drivers as they have more ability to recover the car in case of an incident than people that can't slide. For example, you get mildly pushed in a corner and slide or go too hungry on an outside overtake, you can still drift your way through the corner.

[@ShifterDrifter]

Amazing video, it's very nice that you don't talk but add subtitles.

[@onyjdm]

Well, thats nice to see you here :D

[@ShifterDrifter]

@@onyjdm Wow, you surprised me 😅

[@onyjdm]

@@ShifterDrifter Haha

[@itslaancer9957]

Next content How to properly use the Brake balance please

[@viperconcept]

I made 3 videos already about brakes/braking: - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZO4eZZobaqfepI - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3fYqHminNeWha8 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aX_PaKmsn8qDgsU Enjoy! ^^

[@itslaancer9957]

ohh thanks!

[@SheetFiber]

viperconcept, you never reply my comment, please do how to set toe, chamber, and bump please

[@kyleemery401]

I think I can easily help you out with camber...in the front you want the inside of the tire to be about 10 to 15 degrees F higher than the outside. It is a guess and check and it will change if you change the stiffness of your suspension quite a bit. (but for the most part stays in the same area) As for the rear, I could be wrong but the inside only needs to be a couple degrees hotter, as long as the outside isn't hotter.

[@nopoint30]

Pretty much the same as throttle control, just try to maximise grip and not slam the brakes because ur late on braking =) This falls into the same category: Setups

[@theidiotwithanissanonhispr9404]

0:24 what is the name of this song?

[@andreacardone3864]

La colonna sonora di MotoGp, quanti ricordi...

[@red_noise_bomb]

Make a playlist with your lessons, please.

[@dinguswingus4835]

5:46 unrelated but the whine from the trans sounds a lot like the m3 gtr irl

[@h5skb4ru41]

I often drive clean in games unless I get forced to be dirty, as blockers preventing Me to pass or just a slight love tap from behind to pressure them

[@erikrainieri1772]

this is so clear, good job bro! love this!

[@CL4SSiCS]

I learn something new from you every week

[@lord_jex]

Sliding is much faster if you know how to control the car well. It is much more risky, but if it goes well you win seconds.

[@tafadzwasanya1616]

Quickest is sliding but controlled 4 wheel drift for maximum speed and right on that fine edge f1 cars are always sliding to get that rotation without having to countersteer mid corner

[@thomasmcharles9319]

I guess it depends as well if you need to preserve your tires or if tire wear is on. If that’s the case surely clean driving wins out 100% if he time?

[@silverazorx]

Learning never ends, thanks man.

[@kyleemery401]

I wouldn't exactly put NASCAR Racecars in line with a high grip/downforce car. You actually want that thing to be pretty loose most of the time. Use throttle feathering to turn the car and not so much the wheel (if you know what I mean). You don't exactly want oversteer, just definitely not understeer.

[@levinlover7666]

Can you make a video about four-wheel drifting? (Drifting with little to no countersteer where all four wheels are sliding)

[@mgtowphilippines8164]

Are there moments like a very dharo corner where in you will exit faster if you drive

[@instantbeansoup]

Audi R8: ayyy me RWD Viperconcept: do a slide Audi R8: *well now im not doing it*

[@loosecog]

But what if you are trying to force the car into a slide like drifting

[@illidan155]

can you tell the names of those tracks please :) ?

[@ZoomieDeer]

You mean the songs? 0:24: "Connection" by Wayne Jones 2:00: MotoGP 2 main menu theme 9:42:"Young And Old Know Love" by Puddle Of Infinity

[@diesel4ever273]

I though i was the only one not liking race cars that much, im glad im not alone chosing road cars instead of "easy to drive" high grip race cars. It s sad that most lobbies in games like PC2 only race with race cars

[@USDM_Jesus]

In really tight hair pins drifting can help you go faster before you dont have to lose that much momentum and speed

[@yoriyamamoto3245]

But what about the steering balance? Cars with understeer, even with good grip (for example, due to suspension settings, ARB) sometimes go faster in a skid. Conversely, cars with good steering balance, despite poor grip, go faster without skidding. Is not it?

[@ArsenalsJack1992]

I think "messy" sums up the dirty style better, dirty to me is cutting corners and knocking others off the track lol.

[@GolovaPomidor]

I noticed when traction turned on , my lap time usually worse ,but I'm not sure:/

[@michaelip1569]

Drifting is definitely slower, what makes you faster is slide. Drive with clean style. If the car slide, control the slide. If don't, don't force it happen.

[@MrNiceKnife]

What game is 5:47 on?

[@jmg7157]

Hi from Caracas, Venezuela. Good video!

[@furry9231]

Great lesson.. Your driving is perfect.. I hope u can make many more videos..

[@MrSaemichlaus]

One word from me: Shelby Cobra. Alright, that was two, but you get my point.

[@WalterBurton]

"Dirty-style," AKA "Dukes of Hazzard style." ;-)

[@超快哥]

extraordinary lesson

[@The_CastronMan]

Entre driveclub modo realista y aseto corsa cual es mejor en cuanto al manejo real?

[@vinkmill]

Wow. Really. Ive never thought in make the rear wheels lose grip in fwd like this. Its incredible

[@MFUnicornBey]

Ive been waiting for a video like this one. Thanks!

[@FreerideStgrt]

How to get into Vipers Lobbys?? Would love to do some Car Roulette on Asetto Project Cars 2 on PS4

[@matilabedz]

You are really driving sooo good m8

[@FWORX711]

For me I like the car to be a bit dirty so it can “overdrive” on rpm each time I turn, I will go faster while still keeping grip,even it burnout a bit it is fine, it provide a small boost

[@suitedmonkey0]

Sliding can be very helpful if you dont want to lose too much speed

[@SiliconChipCookie]

Does engine placement have an effect on balance and turning too? Like front engine, mid-engine and rear?

[@viperconcept]

Yes, of course!

[@geert6425]

im searching for people to battle in asseto corsa is there some sort of forum for this ?

[@unknownsecret9717]

Is the audi r8 fwd!!! not 4wd????

[@zezafab390]

Amazing tip. Love your videos so much!

[@K3ntucky123]

I prefer both, depending what car you are driving

[@roman_gt1547]

I love these videos cuz they're so helpful

[@nikk_752]

i drive almost clean but at corner exit i love do powerslides

[@r543Blitzsonic]

Pretty nice, I remember watching one of your videos about a year back but after that there weren't any new ones until recently?

[@zocca0134]

Well, he kept doing videos. You can check on his channel.

[@zocca0134]

Viperconcept did you notice that the game A.C. recognises that you are slightly pressing the brake while cornering and accelerating(with the BMW M4)? Do you do it on purpose? If yes, why? Doesn't it help spinning the car and lose traction (because you're more or less doing a burnout ), expecially with the oversteer of the M4?

[@danielsuarez786]

Matteo Zoccatelli perhaps he wanted to slide a bit more, like if you fast-steer in a fwd, but you cannot do it in a rwd, because it would spin with no chance of real control. So you tap the brakes a bit to make front wheels a bit slower while pressing the throttle, rear wheels which are receiving power will be a bit faster and, indeed, slip a bit, but controlled by the driver in a rwd. 🙄 Or maybe the game is messed up😂!

[@zocca0134]

Daniel Suárez Those are the only two options I see

[@sebastiankvyat3915]

ive been able to gain up to 2 seconds when i slightly overdrive cars with less girp like the e30 in assetto corsa.

[@aaronbrewster3220]

Wow,.... So thx for the knowledge in racing field.

[@reyhandaffa9843]

what game that you prefer for beginners?

[@jimmyallein]

WOW! GREAT WORK!!! LOVE.THIS.CHANNEL!

[@chriztopheLiu]

1:08 audi is AWD , isnt it ? Quattro ?

[@baktru]

The road versions yes. The GT race car is RWD though as AWD GT cars are not allowed.

[@ГонщикНелегальный-з1б]

My AE-86 in nfs prostreet slides a lot,even though this car for grip. And i tried to tune it for best lap time on autobanring events. It's impossible to win in this car without sliding against same car with same setup that goes full dorifto

[@gaara9035]

And what with 4wd?

[@techno-sachin165]

BTW, Sliding is never dirty, it's pure talent to handle a car that way. Any other term could have been used. Other than that , I luved you lecture

[@uncay2769]

what about awd tho

[@ernoeskeli1139]

I kind of get the clean/dirty style separation but it's still a bit strange. I always try to drive as clean as possible, no matter if the car tends to oversteer or understeer. Of course if the car doesn't want to turn you have to throw it sideways from time to time but calling it "dirty style" doesn't sound spot on for me.