Racing Games - Mechanical and Aerodynamic Grip

Another useful lesson video: this time we'll discover all the stuff you have to know about the mechanichal and aerodynamic grips. Enjoy! :D
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[@zdwheelman5782]

viper why did you stop making eco cups? they where so much fun to watch

[@zdwheelman5782]

@@和也兄貴thats actually a good point

[@O5.5]

@@和也兄貴 True, maybe he could get some people to help him, it would be awesome to have the eco cups back

[@Kurosaka]

Yeah

[@oaz8]

were

[@MartinJungblut]

7:23 the way you say "stability" is so Italian! I like it so much!

[@LoSpotItaliano]

I told him hundreds of times he should improve his English (it is embarrassing for Italians)

[@MartinJungblut]

@@LoSpotItaliano Just to be clear, that was not really my point, in any way. I was complimenting him.

[@LoSpotItaliano]

@@MartinJungblut I know, I am criticizing him.

[@MartinJungblut]

@@LoSpotItaliano Fair enough, have a good one!

[@Route765]

5:50 I remember that you once did a test of high downforce vs low downforce and found that the reduced sliding caused by the downforce led to lower tyre wear

[@theredbaron7302]

So low downforce is not actually better if you're going to slide for the tyres...

[@corollavirus4age]

So takumi's driving is not even considered dirty driving It's UTTER FILTHY DRIVING! 4 wheel drifting ftw

[@sevvvich8118]

Godhand: clearty

[@fujineetomori]

Nah it's still dirty drive, the most accurate depiction of four wheel drifting in the anime occurs in 4th Stage where they're relatively lower in angle while atill countersteering by a tiny bit

[@andre_star7776]

4:05 This car was INSANE! It had a Chevy V8 engine to power the rear wheels it and a snowmobile to power two fans at the back. There were two scoops on the front to bring air to the fans and side skirts to literally suck the car to the ground

[@atharvazodpe673]

7:59 I was midway through a yawn and this moment cancelled it

[@tobytoxd]

lol

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

bruh moment

[@Caracatungas]

I never realized how helpful this channel would be to me, there is so much to learn, thank you ViperConcept

[@theredbaron7302]

Great stuff 🙂. I would like to add that the racing line can be different between aero and street legal cars, with aero you can select a wider curvature in order to maintain speed and downforce while on street you can go close or all the way over the apex.

[@ajejebrazorf6691]

1:09 "please be Pazient" hahahahaha grande vc

[@luizmiguelsilva8240]

0:31 Unão brabo! Se tivesse escada no teto era P1!

[@wellystonsilva]

Só pra quem conhece kkkkkkkk

[@3Vini2iniV6]

Kkkkkkk só de colocar a escada ia ganhar de um F1 fácil fácil

[@marcos1669]

Interesting video, could you do a video focusing on how to maximize the mechanichal grip? And maybe another on how to know how much rear front/rear downforce you have to use.

[@MiguelMedV]

You're leveling up your game, Viper, and I'm totally down to it! Great video, I'm gonna share it with my team, Thank you! : ) ...

[@SheetFiber]

I like a somewhere between those two. A little bit slide is fun. But fighting with the car is exhausting.

[@SIMTRIBE]

Nice informative video. The animations in between were really quality. Thank you.

[@rubiconslayerx9912]

Idk why I started to like this channel. Good job!

[@RallycrossGT]

2:50 Most notorious example of Aero Grip: Pikes Peak Hill Climb cars!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@laggzehnjucht]

Nice learning from this video today. Tanks!

[@pietrosal9629]

Bro keep it up , vai cosi 💪💪💪

[@TheLPN05Fan]

I'm a full on Mechanical Grip guy, though it's even better if Groundforce is mixed in. Aerodynamics are just giving extra weight on tracks like Monaco (one of my favourites) with slow and thight corners

[@s1nenomine]

Talking about clean and dirty driving, where would you put the positive yaw moment technique ? Because it's right in the middle of grip and drift, and it's used in every racing series, from the Porsche Cup to F1.

[@jrmd3158]

do you mean the slip angle ?

[@s1nenomine]

@@jrmd3158 Well, yes but actually no. Slip angle is only the tyre deformation, when yaw moment is the différence between the direction you are going vs the one your car is facing. Positive means that you are slightly oversteering, it's at this very point that the slip angle is close to its maximum.

[@jrmd3158]

@@s1nenomine Thanks for the clear reply english is not my native language sorry for the misunderstanding^^

[@s1nenomine]

@@jrmd3158 Don't worry, even in the videos on the subject, people use the slip angle terms

[@MethmalDhananjaya]

I remember Jeremy Clarkson talking about this on McLaren P1's Aero Grip. This realized me why they considered as Motor Journolists. dang. the real ones.

[@andre_star7776]

Making it a little bit more simple: Mechanical Grip Car: Downforce < Weight of the car Aerodynamic Grip Car: Downforce > Weight of the car

[@4zap7]

You should be able to lower your audio cap to prevent the peaking you seem to have with your mic , it’s no biggie though still a great video, I find it hard to adjust back to aero cars after driving more mechanical based ones. I lose my confidence quick if I don’t get in a gte/gt3 or modern open wheel a few times a week

[@deltazero3796]

Can you maybe do a video about proper gaming gear like positioning steering wheel, manual shifter and pedals for the best comfort and maybe some shoes, gloves (or not) used to simracing

[@chaitanyashingnapurkar363]

Love you man

[@vsm1456]

3:30 wow, the old Imola looks so much better than the modern one

[@kinangeagle133]

Old DTM cars are so grippy despite not having much aero

[@push3kpro]

4:00 You could tell something about indycar and its underbody.

[@unknowntl44]

this is very useful thanks for the video!

[@bigman8642]

love your video, BIG UP

[@prod_by_unruly2835]

bro ur videos really cool

[@SicKem]

Had to find it out the hard way on gt sport.

[@Multiversal_Rift]

5:44 I wanna say it depends on the type of tires

[@GolovaPomidor]

So I didn't get the part about ground effect? Was just the car with the fan banned ,or ground effect itself was banned. It just a little weird lol. I mean the fan cars isn't the greatest thing to introduce how this effect works . The very little space between the ground and the bottom plate of the formula ,and also the difference that space in the front and the rear makes the air move faster , making the car stick to the road

[@Route765]

Ok, the fan car is banned. The skirts used for ground effect in old F1 cars is also banned. But ground effect in general is still used in F1; this is why the cars still have diffusers and floors. It’s also why floor regulations and rake is a big talking point in F1.

[@sombraarthur]

Both were banned. The fan car generated huge ground effects, and then ground effects were banned in F1 until 2022, where ground effect will make a comeback.

[@dct124]

I think mechanical grip only wears car tires unevenly more than aero dynamic purpose cars however it's down to driver style.

[@arraurrul]

Nice

[@sombraarthur]

You see, I made the habit of being consistent, while always driving my car at the limits, it is always 100% or bust, P1 or I already have lost.

[@SpinnerzStudio]

I love drift so yeah of course i choose mechanical grip

[@kenesufernandez1281]

♥️❤️

[@strayminogaming2189]

Clean driving style with high downforce is mandatory simply because all car reactions to any loss of grip take almost super-human reflexes. It becomes like a train, either it stays on its rails or it flies off track. It's a deep loss of pleasure in controlling the car at its grip limit... At least, that's the outcome of this analysis I made a few months ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKCvhI2PbNqqfbM

[@musiciansdreams2541]

Nice video! I try to get better but im a noob xD

[@catnipherb]

The word you're looking for is inconsistent, not inconstant. :)

[@GoldenGate003]

done.

[@captainbarbossa5201]

I have one question regarding the purpose of the aerodynamic parts on a car: So it is mentioned that the front splitter or wing is utilized for cornering speed, whereas the rear wing is used for stability. The question is, what "purpose" does the underbody have ? It should be noted that the underbody of a race car produces the most amount of downforce, as well as the least amount of drag - which was why Group C cars (with the exception of the 3.5 Era cars) looked like eraser wedges. And in relation to Group C, some drivers say that despite having less downforce, the Peugeot 905B was more stable than the Nissan R90CK; with the use of a massive double rear wing might possibly have an effect on the stability, I don't know for sure. So is the underbody of a car there purely to suck the car down?

[@sombraarthur]

The underbody has the effect of lowering the centre of gravity (thus giving the car a more neutral attitude in relation to yaw), while also being the primary downforce generator of the car. You first install the straight underbody, then you apply front splitters, then rear wings. Why? Because like I said, when you install the straight underbody, your car attitude to yaw changes, it becomes more neutral (depending on the inlets attached to it, you can play with how far front or how far back you want that centre of rotation), then you add the front splitters to increase the amount of cornering downforce (that is why it is so close to the ground and the canards are that far to the sides, they work best when your car is rotating, giving it a better air flow to a side than the other, frocing the yaw to happen), and then you finally add the rear wing, because this one is to stabilize the rear (given that you added a huge amount of downforce at the front and the middle of the car), because the other aerodynamic appendages made the rear of the car lighter than the rest. So you add the proper wing to counter that lack of weight at the rear, and the car has all of its sectors under a "steady and controlled airflow" (or at least a predictable one).

[@captainbarbossa5201]

@@sombraarthur Made things a lot clearer, thanks

[@trazemu]

1 minute :o

[@DrR1pper]

Drifting should never be faster. If your front tyres are countersteered, then the total cornering force into the corner is limited to the rear tyres only which means, less cornering force total and thus lower speed carrying potential.

[@Darktotaled]

now that you talked about dirty and clean driving, you should play some nfs shift

[@kompotique]

S T A B I L I T Y OK it's important 😄

[@alsa4real]

Can u review forza 7?

[@captainbarbossa5201]

Is it just me, or are aerodynamic grip cars significantly easier to drive? As someone who mains the Peugeot 205 T16 in DR2, it's become a habit to always push the throttle through the corners - of course anyone who races GT (3,4,E etc.) cars will know that such a maneuver is stupid and will end your race. When I try to race in cars that mainly rely on mechanical grip, I perform extremely poorly - my lap times are pure garbage (Rfactor 2) - whereas when I try to drive cars that prioritize downforce, I end up performing extremely well. I think that it really depends on driving style, be it precise and careful or flat-out through every section of the track.

[@sombraarthur]

If you are pushing the throttle through the corners, you are already doing something wrong. You don't push it, you maintain it, if you are doing trail braking, and increase it along the corner. Trail braking can be done with both type of cars, and I dare to say that it is way more beneficial in mechanical grip cars, because it keeps the attitude of the car more tame than when in full brake, full throttle.

[@captainbarbossa5201]

@@sombraarthur Well it depends on the corners but you are right. I tried driving a lot smoother 2 days ago, and in Silverstone (using a F1 1991 mod) I lowered my previous lap-time of 1:37-35 to just 1:34s every single lap. I think I'll still have trouble with GT cars - but thanks for your help!

[@mjrwrxk2295]

Second

[@sot1susy-amogus]

1st

[@pietrosal9629]

Nope

[@alsheatonism]

I race with a keyboard. Can these tips help me??

[@Route765]

You can try, but they’ll be hard to do on a keyboard

[@sic.4191]

A

[@hbtm2951]

A

[@BlackStigv]

Since you talked about rally cars then talk about rallycross cars

[@LoSpotItaliano]

Amico, sei un grande, fai video fighissimi ma il tuo inglese non si può sentire. Basta che scrivi su google “parola pronunciation” e ti detterà, anche lentamente se serve, la parola secondo la pronuncia britannica o americana. Fai un milione di errori di pronuncia (tipico inglese maccheronico). Non voglio denigrarti ma spronarti a migliorare.