The Weight Transfer in Racing Games

Another sim-racing lesson video, this time about the weight transfer. I tried to explain it in a simple way and unsing the right cameras to show it better for a better comprehension. Enjoy! :D
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[@flywithtb5005]

Thanks for showing BeamNg can be used for something else than crashing.

[@Sithhy]

Yeha, a majority of people don't seem to know that

[@AnimalMother98]

Wish more mainstream Sims would adopt it's physics. The way it models weight transfer even including chassis flex is amazing and something which is missing in other Sims. Would rather have a sim with unlicensed cars to allow for beamng's damage model rather than having a fully licensed sim without a proper damage model. Modern Sims tend to lose the peril of racing cars and completely discard the hazards of debris on track. Gone are the days on GP4 where someone's stray wheel blows my read wing off on impact

[@namesii1880]

@@AnimalMother98 The problem with the "simpler" stuff like debris is that it is extremely difficult to relay its position accurately to other clients in online racing. And if you can't do it accurately then it shouldn't be a thing, imagine getting a puncture on a "phantom" object for example. BeamNG's model is impressive, but it won't be a realistic option for sims any time soon. Like Beam itself has been in development for like 8 years at this point, and it still isn't on the level of your household sim racing titles.

[@AnimalMother98]

@@namesii1880 can still be an option for offline races though

[@dividedstatesofamerica2520]

@@Sithhy Majority of them are idiots.

[@ramadhanisme7]

Weight transfer : exist Stiff suspension : finally a worthy opponent, our battle will be legendary

[@martinmargold243]

After i got used to playing Beamng its hard to look at any other game, because the cars in beam behave and look (the physics) so extremely real.

[@antoniusoelmann8690]

This intro never gets boring

[@lohostege]

I played NFS:MW when I was younger, basically only NFS game I played.

[@NxckEyc]

This man just gave me flashbacks of my childhood

[@biko9824]

@@lohostege Me too, kid. Me too.

[@pancake5830]

@@biko9824 why are you calling him a child?

[@biko9824]

@@pancake5830 it’s a reference to a meme. Not an insult.

[@crashedace692]

It’s nice when u open up KZbin to see a brand new ViperConcept video!

[@lucas_amry]

I had the same

[@panzerbead2977]

You are so underrated my man

[@rhetthart9311]

*sees new viper concept video* AGGRESSIVE CLICKING

[@schwuppdiewupp7]

:D

[@victorsantos2326]

Agressive jojo

[@anubis3015]

Who's ready for "Kansei Drifto" memes on here? Because it'll happen sometime soon.

[@kevinsantos7031]

Keisuke: ¿¡NANI!? ¡Kansei Dorifto! Takumi: First time?

[@corollavirus4age]

That's exactly what i wanted to know Extremely helpful!

[@donnycorn3086]

me, a keyboard player: right, time to physically abuse the left arrow key.

[@thedarkwhisper2206]

I just want you to know that even I didn't ask for you to talk in your video, I certainly appreciate it. It shows how tremendous your effort is. I hope you have a happy life everyday

[@francescobello2271]

Grande Viper concept, sei tra i canali di simracing più utili di tutta youtube, mi salvo ogni tuo video "tutorial" per non perdermi neanche un dettaglio🙌🙌🙌

[@harjas268]

Explained this perfectly

[@drakefrom2011]

You've only watched 6 minutes of it bro

[@panzerbead2977]

@@drakefrom2011 no

[@sumblwnup8695]

Lesss gooo I needed this since I’ve started trying to go faster in beamng MP but usually fly off due to poor throttle control, turbo lag and weight transfer skills

[@Niko-he4ji]

Dababy

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

@@Niko-he4ji letz gooo

[@0skate0]

To be honest i feel like this video is way better than the previous one about weight transfer. Keep up the good work.

[@jordandegraauw5413]

ah yes, weigh transfer... my biggest enemy

[@lonedri2890]

your biggest enemy is actually my best friend

[@CWINDOWSsystem32]

Very useful information. I was previously under the impression that loss of traction was never a good thing while cornering, but now I know that slight oversteer can be helpful just before entering a corner. I guess that's why I was never great at FWD races.

[@Clyman974]

Thanks man, really helpful, I've been playing racing games for more than a decade and never completely understood these concepts before watching this video!

[@AdolfoWWolf]

I love those old racing game music tracks present in your video intro, as well as the bmg along the video, another thing, is that it's really good to see that the comment section is not plagued by a lot of, "oh but that's obvious, i always knew about that" type of comment. This video really helped me understand the relation of camber to the car's grip, finally i got it :)

[@hunkredfield4347]

Nice to learn with you again viper

[@yuritarted1787]

I improved my hot lap with a mustang '66 on nürburgring almost by 20 secs, thnx m8

[@zephyr_855]

you forgot the activa system from the Xantia,it makes it even better for handling

[@MemphiStig]

i can't even play rn but i keep watching this guy and learning more every time plus i just love watching him drive

[@maxakamvp]

Another great video! the quality of your videos is improving a lot, I'm glad you started narrating them. Greetings from Spain mate, keep up the good work!

[@Hlodowig1989]

One of the best tutorial of your channel imo. 🚘

[@hallievonkuchenstein8542]

More of these videos please! Also this channel needs to have at least 1 million subs! This is just soooo good!

[@Casiopea-San]

Was just thinking about weight transfer! Thanks Viper, really helpful!

[@valex_0414]

Non hai idea di quante cose mi stai insegnando, continua così sei un grande!

[@TheLukesterGaming]

A fantastic explaination there indeed, and loved the use of F1 1998 game music too!😁👍👏

[@creams9k]

Could never stop watching you please always make videos😂

[@JeromeTseng]

This should be Sim Racing 101, actually. Well done.

[@frij539]

I have learned 100% more than what i knew before

[@risyadr]

great vid viper! definitely i need this video for building racing games project in unity!

[@fpvillegas9084]

Excellent video and lesson. So that's why Alain Prost always advises to make a race car understeer a bit to be faster. Please teach us about Ackerman steering on race cars. Thanks.

[@lucas_amry]

You explain better than my teachers.

[@MarcXL81]

Great Video for me, learned a lot. Now I have to learn how to drive consistent.

[@RWoody1995]

Maybe a useful technicality to point out, while weight transfer is different between stiff/soft suspension, the amount of weight transferred is always the same with any setup changes on the same car. A stiff suspension just lets the weight transfer more quickly and therefore means that the weight transfer is more directly affected by your steering and throttle/brake inputs and makes the car more predictable and of course able to swap to the opposite direction sooner. Neils Heusinkveld recently went over this with proof on his KZbin channel if anyone's interested in hearing it from someone who's infinitely more knowledgeable than I am ^_^

[@RevRideReason]

My front engine RWD car reminds me of weight transfer quite often... the most fun though imo.

[@vitorxd12_81]

dude, i really like your videos.

[@midnxght_purple]

Easier method of understanding weight transfer (Well, at least it's basics): *Pick old luxury sedans (60's american cars do the job perfectly) *Pick a track that has lots of turns yet lots of runoff areas (no, seriously, you'll need 'em) Boom you understand weight transfer in a blink of an eye!

[@peridromos8894]

That under steer

[@Bibyte]

@@peridromos8894 UUUNNDErsteer

[@guilhermebataer9637]

Hey that's a good ideia i Will try it

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

Suspension stiffness does NOT change weight transfer! Only in the most extreme cases like a 2CV might it matter a couple percent. Weight transfer is a function of the CG height of the car (you're correct here), the wheelbase and the track width. If the wheelbase is 3 meter and the track width 1.5m, you get half the weight transfer per 'G force' when braking and accelerating, compared to when cornering. You sometimes can't "see" weight transfer. You can create suspension that raises the nose when braking, but the weight transfer will still be going to the front as much as with a soft normal suspension where the nose dives. Since the car dimensions are fixed, weight transfer is a function of the G force you're doing. So if you have a stiff or soft setup, every time you take a corner at 1G, the weight transfer will be the same regardless of the setup.

[@viperconcept]

Suspension stiffness doesn't change the weight transfer, but it changes the effects of the weight transfer on cars. See what I mean? That's what I want to show in the video.

[@josecamacho5522]

12:51 you should include DAS

[@derblaue]

Lift-off oversteer is not a technique but a property of a car. It happens when you lift of the gas. The small weight transfer to the front causes the car to oversteer. This mostly affects MR or RR cars.

[@MUSTDOS]

11:08 "Slide effect" badumbdisssss

[@TK-_-421]

In videos like this it should be important to show a typical tire vertical load vs max side force graph

[@KitKitChanIsaac]

12:40 imagine someone rolling into a car meet in one of these,setting the camber to the max that the car allows,and steals all the spotlight

[@MrNBABR]

You're my new God.

[@slow330xi3]

Chill

[@pedrobarreto6408]

Viper, i... i... i lov... i love you!

[@Gabo27]

Grande bel video, mi piace sempre vederli:))

[@Jolojingco]

love your videos!

[@kole418]

Sick vid bro!

[@SimRacer82]

Amazing as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥🔥

[@MasterDX420]

Nice vid

[@miczmedia6458]

Super robota !

[@benj8988]

4:45 SBR4 has a flat-4 not a v8

[@sot1susy-amogus]

I got the 2 questions right,wooohooo

[@LMP032-R]

Nice Video

[@And-War]

great video Id like to ask what racing games d you feel give better feel of Weight transfer?

[@nikz000]

Sei un grande!

[@snowy_hawk1727]

The Hirochi SBR4 petrol version has a Flat 4 engine just to let you know

[@souleater8840]

Beamng can actualy show centre of gravity and many other cool stuff for those interested.

[@skorpion3.]

Slight soft ARB front / slight stiff ARB rear / slight stiff damper+ suspension. For better car performance. Right?

[@loree6369]

scusami, è da poco che ti seguo ho solo visto 2/3 video, ma qualcosa nella tua voce mi dice che sei italiano, è irrilevante e solo una mia curiosità. comunque fai dei bellissimi video complimenti! sorry, I have only recently seen 2/3 videos, but something in your voice tells me that you are Italian, it is irrelevant and just my curiosity. anyway you make some beautiful video compliments!

[@Acthu69]

Very nice

[@sarah_aaron40]

This video taught me more then any other school.

[@benjaminsandoval979]

nice

[@X1erra]

The only problem I have with suspension setup in general is that for most cars, the default setup are decent to the point that I can't really see a problem with the car other than my own driving skills. They say drive consistently before setting up, but I don't have a clear goal, especially at what point in my training should I think about setups, and it's making me hesitant to start tweaking it. Anyone can help me with this?

[@AVI.D]

Front heavy cars understeering, rear heavy car oversteering and 50/50 distribution being ideal isn't really true. Many mid engine cars "naturally" understeers due to (even relative to the weight on the front axle) small front tires and suspension setup, same with 50/50 cars.

[@추상인간]

I think it's the hardest one for keybord user

[@reddo7784]

ps : u can press ctrl g to show COG on beamng

[@vitorxd12_81]

love how he says *UN* dersteer

[@rodsk8dude731]

What's the game with the Viper RT/10? Is it a mod or does the game have it by default, or as DLC? That car is so rare nowadays. EDIT: Nevermind, I figured it out, it's Asseto Corsa with a Gran Turismo HUD mod, right? That's why I didn't recognize it at first, but the camera movement on cornering, and the license plate on the Alfa shown later is unmistakingly from Assetto Corsa. Where can I find the Viper?

[@LabiaLicker]

really enjoy these videos breaking down these concepts that a lot of us only understand in a loose conceptual way.

[@mracc4240]

Good video

[@restarting_krnl]

No wonder why drifting cars sets very large negative camber angle, it is all about le weight transfer

[@logi9833]

sick vid

[@abbadon894]

I dont like term slow in, fast out. Most of the drivers understand it wrong and they are overslowing cars on entry. You need to be always on the grip limit, and carry as much as possible speed in every single centimeter of the track. Entry should be just ideal to not affect racing line and dont go wide on the apex. So yeah, it is better to go too slow than too fast, but going too slow is not the way to be as fast as possible

[@bobiscool5601]

This might help me with my 32 in a racing game

[@siranjiviramm9302]

1) sports cars have soft suspension and dampers 2) sports car are low in height

[@JD-zy6em]

Viper, maybe you should consider post videos like you playing with friends more like a dude who enjoys playing video games and not more like a teacher

[@febinfrancis4633]

I see there's an awful lot of time spent editing this, especially the subtitles. How do you manage to find the time?

[@viperconcept]

Thank you for noticing this. I work during evenings and nights. I feel more inspired and I work faster 😜

[@jefferson-tan]

I think I’ve learnt about weight transfer naturally because of how much racing games I’ve played as a kid But I still crash in games because I’m stupid lol

[@berksogutlu]

When will the Assetto Corsa League come?

[@EMANUEL-vt8ok]

11:50 toca race driver 2 menu music.

[@cultxreixi1437]

I may sound stupid for asking but Ima really curious... How would ARB apply to drag racing? Is the front soft or stiff? I would know the rear ia soft because it helps settle the weight transfer sent to the rear but what about the front? Unless... They both should be stiff?

[@viperconcept]

ARB, as the name says, it's just for the lateral roll of the car. As far as I know it isn't that important in drag racing. You should watch at the suspensions and dampers instead, especially the rear ones.

[@cultxreixi1437]

@@viperconcept Good lookin out. Thanks

[@dellanowhite8729]

8:50, what game is this

[@UVCJGiulioman]

I believe you, but for me it's not clear why a car with more weight to the rear would be more "oversteery" and vice-versa a car with more weight to the front would be more "understeery": Shouldn't a car with more weight to the front have more grip to the front wheels (who are the steered wheels) and so be more "oversteery"? What am I missing here? I know that I'm missing something, please can anyone explain me what?

[@droppingdime619]

This logic is only true when driving fast because tires have limited grip when cornering. A rear weight biased car will oversteer because once you get the car turning, the rear has more inertia and wants to turn more than the front, causing oversteer. A car with a front weight bias is the opposite, and the rear is unlikely to turn more than the front, causing understeer. When driving slowly, there should be no oversteer or understeer.

[@UVCJGiulioman]

@@droppingdime619 Oh, really thank you, now it's clear :)

[@ramia4920]

I love cars but i choose you Viper ;) I'm not saying no homo And it's on purpuse ^^😍

[@JFX123]

4 wheel steering + active camber + active suspension (FW15C) + active aero (tomahawk and chaparral 2j) + lightweight 50/50 balance + intelligent AWD = enough lateral g's to kill a human... edit: we sure gonna need new technology tyres, no tyre can withstand that force

[@KingLich451]

9:43 What car is this?

[@vsm1456]

11:50 what is this monster of a car? is it from BeamNG?

[@amysilverstone9059]

Have you ever driven the TVR Speed 12 to a maximum? How to control this monster's wheelspin on first 3 gears?

[@droppingdime619]

Try using 2nd gear off the line.

[@amysilverstone9059]

@@droppingdime619 still wheelspins. with 3rd gear too (at least in GT2). with analog input it is possible to control, but it isn't easy at all

[@droppingdime619]

@@amysilverstone9059 If driver's assists are allowed, increase the traction control to around 50%.

[@amysilverstone9059]

@@droppingdime619 there is traction and stability control available for this car, but... they make it slow enough to be not viable, because if it wheelspins in almost straight line, then it accelerates on par with opponents, and when it grips, it starts going REALLY fast. Assists make this car boring, and also they cost 50k each, it is quite expensive for upgrade this small. I was doing the endurance race (in endurance, you also have to manage tyres wear and visit pit stop) with this car, the 2 hour Rome full course. I made such settings, so even with wheelspinning my front tyres were wearing faster than rear. With enough wear, spinning out was possible even with accurate acceleration control, but completely safe, because I was much faster than opponents and they couldn't catch up.

[@droppingdime619]

@@amysilverstone9059 It is probably not fixable unless you can do an AWD conversion. Otherwise, the only thing that can be done is to press down the throttle gradually and shift up earlier in the first few gears.

[@Bradipus77]

I think you have to do more video

[@guilhermebataer9637]

Is It possible to learn these Powers and use then into a controler

[@Bibyte]

Olha golzin rebaixado,possivel é,fácil não.

[@guilhermebataer9637]

@@Bibyte kkkk eu gosto do gol por isso escolho como foto de perfil sem contar que aqui em casa agente tem um gol gl 99 que saiu de fabrica parecendo gti coisa mais linda do mundo e eu vou ver quem sabe eu não consigo acertar as tática pra usar no forza motorsport 4

[@showsomesignsoflife]

10$ Bucks that he changes his intro next month.

[@grhead812]

What if he doesn’t? (*Also hello*)

[@mertlale6952]

ahh yes weight transfer the best way to drift fwd cars

[@ScooterFett]

I learned how to race from gran turismo sport

[@KingLich451]

8:56 hahahahahah

[@abbadon894]

Weight distribution is kinda badly showed here. Car with more weight on front is oversteering and car with more weight on rear is understeering. Those examples with FWD and RWD cars are wrong. You can make almost every car with more rear weight oversteer. With jerky steering because od pendulum effect and with throotle if its RWD or AWD. The same with FWD car, you can make it understeer with throotle because of exceeding front wheels grip. With smooth, professional steering inputs car with more weight on front oversteers at the limit, and car with more weigh on the rear understeers at the limit. Axle with more weight on it have more grip

[@thenonamehuman2915]

I like how he says gt86 but shows a Subaru BRZ XD

[@mullet8667]

I can't see the difference because the y are basically the same thing lmao 😂