Racism in the White Church: "White Evangelical Christianity" with Kristin Du Mez & Beth Allison Barr

[@hapennysparrow]

I have been watching the evangelical church go off the rails for a long time. I met Jesus in 1972. I was part of the Jesus movement.Many of us were hippies, drawn to the counter culture exactly because of injustice, racism, war mongering, oppression of women, environmental concerns, snd inequities in our society. We wanted change but sometimes went about it the wrong way. Jesus to me was the champion of the marginalized, the poor, the social outcasts. He respected women, and often broke with traditional attitudes towards their place in that highly Patriarchal culture. He won my heart. He is still the center of my being, and the one who informes me

[@willielee5253]

@Leilani Hart, God bless!!!

[@stevepierce6467]

My wife got kicked out of her religious school for making a poster which stated "Jesus was a socialist."

[@willielee5253]

@@stevepierce6467 the meaning of " I AM THAT I AM" encompasses *everything to everyone regardless of whatever it be. But the narrow minded are always at a lost. Yes, He gives to the poor more so then to the rich. But He Judges all the same. God bless you on your journey!!!

[@willielee5253]

@Genesis 12:3 = Matthew 25:31-46 Israel's Descendants Jesus's Kinsmen goats sheep Matthew 6:20-21. (20. But lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven...(21. For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. God bless you!!!

[@stevepierce6467]

@@willielee5253 I think that you will find that he gives far more to the rich than to the poor. It used to be a lot wider in Latin America where my wife is from, but lately the rich/poor divide here is looking more third-world than some third world countries.

[@kolob4697]

The acknowledgement and the understanding of the truth gives me hope. These issues seem so clear and on the surface along with poverty concentration "good" and "bad", neighborhoods, and the American churches being really segregated along racial lines. Makes me wonder if we are really Christian at all.

[@andyarellanoChannel]

it depends, what did you do yesterday, what did you do today, don't worry about the past, it is now, it is you, do you read your bible because you seem lost and blowing in the wind

[@TheTruthAsEyeKnowIt]

Do you really believe Jesus is coming back? It seems like a ridiculous and impossible proposition.

[@willielee5253]

@Kolo B, greed does strange things to people, and especially when they use God a cloak. God bless you on your journey!!!

[@jacquelinepeoples379]

Lol

[@MeltedPearls]

It is surely a chance for us to examine that very question. "Running the race" gets very real then! It's hard, it's messy, we are not sure we can make it to the end if we are giving it all we have. That sounds a lot more like a genuine Christian life, one in which we are more and more reliant upon the very goodness, strength, help, and grace of God and ever more aware of our own limits, mortality, and fallibility. That is best for us and true to Christianity after all.

[@jerometaperman7102]

I’ve been saying this a lot lately: When you have had privileged status all your life, equality feels like oppression.

[@susanrobertssider2298]

Equality is not about taking your stuff.

[@wastedhawkbeverages5030]

Well you should stop.

[@jerometaperman7102]

@@susanrobertssider2298 - I didn't say it was.

[@jerometaperman7102]

@@wastedhawkbeverages5030 - I shan't.

[@runoz2839]

guess, wouldn't know... But, will say the : (5th Dimension... ) Best can think of....

[@Gsoup83]

i am shocked, yet hopeful. i had given up on white evangelicals. i just thought we would not see eye to eye for the next 30 or 40 years. which follows historical precedent. AND im a christian, it just seemed like we were reading two completely different bibles.

[@willielee5253]

@Gsoup83, Matthew 6:33, materialism causes people to justify deceit, "biblically speaking." God bless you on your journey!!!

[@Logiconfire]

Yet it is white liberal denominations that have long histories of overt racism.

[@lmn4565]

You are reading your own version of the bible...it has to be interpreted by your own intellect and finite understanding...and most times we make it say what we want it to say.

[@Gsoup83]

@@lmn4565 nah the eyes of my heart are being enlightened, things I need are being revealed to me by his spirit, the will of God is being discerned for my life. And it's working cause it is producing good fruit. Moving closer to Jesus and away from corruption. Thanks for the feedback though and have a very pleasant year. 😀

[@lmn4565]

@@Gsoup83 Good for you...most people can claim your fine words, but in reality...what is truth?

[@jazzanarchy1342]

When Kristen said she lost hope that things would change after she learned everything, I thought to myself “This ‘blonde, white woman’ gets it.” It’s not just evangelical Christianity, racism and misogony is everywhere in the founding of America, and it all feels very disgusting and insurmountable.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

Says the person who focuses on race and gender. This woman gets nothing, you and her follow the same political ideology couched in Christianity.

[@ElrohirGuitar]

I am 72 and grew up in the Lutheran church and learned the important message from Luther to question the practices of religion. The present state of Christianity at this time in our country is so directly contradictory to what I consider to be goodness that I wonder how these people can identify as Christians. Then I see my mother and my sister and realize that religion is used by them to help others and to be better people. There are, I realize, so many people out there that are like them and use religion as a tool to help people rather than as a weapon to hurt others. The White Evangelical movement seems to me to be more of a fascist movement that is corrupting America than any semblance of a religion. I appreciate your talk and hope that you will have success in returning people to a constructive form of religion.

[@wignersfriend2766]

You a weak old man.

[@loganbuhain1559]

To the fascist, religion is an effective tool of legitimization and control.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

You are incredibly arrogant and bigoted, you are judging a large amount of people as being all the same without even understanding anything about them.

[@danielladavis8705]

Thank you for this very important conversation.

[@successibleshe3334]

Thank you Dr Kristen Du Mez & Dr Beth Allison Bar. Thank you, Baylor! Brilliantly done, more please.

[@constantiahonora829]

Excellent & THANK YOU.

[@julietadams3821]

I am a Black Episcopalian & realize that people Throughout the World are Awakening!

[@ElimanGibba]

Powerful Conversation.

[@Kulou8]

These ladies are amazing!!! Speaking the truth!!

[@nicokarsen6131]

A UFO landing on your lawn is amazing. They are simply stating the obvious.

[@Kulou8]

@@nicokarsen6131 “obvious” or “common sense” is hard to come by nowadays! Nonetheless they chose to speak despite obvious bigoted rhetoric and that’s what makes them no less AMAZING!!

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

@@nicokarsen6131 They are saying what you agree with and nothing more.

[@nerveagent1905]

@@vladtheinhaler8940 what do you disagree with?

[@hapennysparrow]

I greatly admire both of your work and cheer you on. Anthea Butler is brilliant as well. Dr. Cornel West speaks deeply to my soul. If not for you all, I would have despaired. I am a 73 year old white woman who advises people to read Howard Zinn, Bonhoeffer, Sinclair Lewis. Kurt Vonnegut. I read banned books. A lot if great insight to be found in a varied literary diet. Jesus is my Lord and Redeemer. His love for people my touchstone. The night Trump was elected, I collapsed and wept. I knew what would follow. I have not been wrong. Cast out of fellowship for my views, I am finding my tribe. God bless you mighty women of truth. Tis foolishness to the blind, but breath and life to a parched soul.like mine.

[@willielee5253]

@Leilani Hart, I'm 74 and at your age, I found Dr. Myles Munroe preaching on God's "Kingdom " and it's been upward ever since. He's always closer than a friend, be blessed!!!

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

You are more concerned about things of this world, instead of putting your faith in the Lord. You follow the bad theology known as progressive Christianity.

[@nerveagent1905]

@@willielee5253 what types of things does he say?

[@MeltedPearls]

God bless you, faithful lady. Our tears are in His bottle, remember. Much love to you.

[@JohnJakeWilliam]

*Let's take the Bible seriously. God's word on Trump:* "Their eyes bulge with abundance; they have more than heart could wish.They scoff and speak wickedly concerning oppression; They speak loftily. ... Behold, these are the ungodly ... Then I understood their end. Surely You set them in slippery places; You cast them down to destruction." Psalm 73.

[@Logiconfire]

True also of Biden.

[@andrewortiz5797]

@@Logiconfire Actually Scripture says it is God who Appoints kings and removes them. The Bible also commands Christian's to submit to and obey the Leaders and government for It Is God who Established them.

[@JohnJakeWilliam]

@@Logiconfire Sure, if you say so but I didn't vote for the guy. But if you voted for Trump, now your informed. May we have teachable spirits. blessings.

[@LisaLisa-qo8gt]

@@andrewortiz5797 Blasphemy! You should repent. I plead the precious blood of Jesus over your hate-filled hardened heart. There will be no free pass to heaven for being white.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

@@andrewortiz5797 But only when you agree though

[@HistoricLife]

I am an atheist and have long worried about the racism ingrained in the evangelical movement. It is interesting to hear some of the history behind it all.

[@jonathankotyk3075]

The definition of racism is disagreement with a liberal.

[@HistoricLife]

@@jonathankotyk3075 nice projection you have there.

[@jonathankotyk3075]

@@HistoricLife, what projection? The current definition of a racist is anyone who disagrees with a liberal. Go back a few years, and the definition would have been consistent with the eugenics obsessed national-socialists; Ku Klux Klan idiots; or the Hebrew Israelites who spew vitriolic hate at anyone who does not look like them.

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

@@HistoricLife You are no better, this whole thing is nothing more than left vs right politics bleeding over into the American church. These people are no more trustworthy than the right.

[@delmarsimpson25]

​@Jonathan Kotyk nope..the lady just explained in the video...which part didn't you understand....the problem was white Jesus all along and not the God of the bible

[@lizzysbeautyshowetc.6895]

Thankyou

[@myrajohnson2322]

THANK YOU SO MUCH AS A BLACK WOMAN WE ARE AWAKE WHITE PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEMSELVES WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD EYES TO SEE,WE DONT SUPPORT TV CHURCH ANYMORE NOR DO 90%OF US LISTEN TO THEIR SICK SERMONS NO TRUTH ANYMORE ,WE ARE AWAKE IF YOU KNOW WHAT IM SAYING

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

This whole thing is a cult passing itself off as Christianity, it's full of racists like you and this women who know nothing about the teachings of Christ. You are the inverse of so-called Christians who are white identitarians, you're both bigoted and full of hate.

[@HJKelley47]

Christianity based solely on academics and cultural Christianity rooted in the color of one's skin is not what Christ laid His life down for. When we stand before the Bema seat of Christ and are recompensed for what we have done in the Body, my heart trembles (2 Cor.5:10). How do we plan on justifying our racist attitude in the Body of Christ??? I wonder if our quotes from various books will impress Christ; or our racial stance will move Him; or if our ideology that being white has made you superior above other people groups who love Christ will be readily accepted by Him; or possibly Christ will be happy with the compromises made against His Word so as to be politically correct, will get a nod from Him????? No, this sentence structure is definitely not academically correct, but what impresses us, moves us, gives us justification; or makes us feel like we are in control, will it be wood-hay-stubble; or gold-silver-and precious jewels. My heart weeps at the state of the church. Christ said he is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle. God have mercy. We may impress others in the earth, but at the Bema seat of Christ, there will be no justification for all of these unloving, uncaring power hungry and ungodly behaviors. The Word of God tells the believer in Christ: 1. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another"-Jo. 13:35 2. "And he answered, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all of your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself." Luke 10:27, Deut 6:5 3. ".........God is opposed to the proud but give grace to the humble." - James 4:6 4. "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one, even as You Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent me." - John 17:20-21 .5. "But now there are many members, but one body. And the eye cannot say to the hand, 'I have no need of you." - 1 Cor 12: 20-21

[@nerveagent1905]

Bema or Bimah?

[@kristiandoon8976]

Race,religion,ethnic pride and nationalism does nothing but teach you to hate people you’ve never met. ~ Doug Stanhope

[@c.d.4438]

Thank you Kristin Du Mez and Beth Allison Barr. I'm so grateful and thankful to you for stepping up and out and telling the TRUTH. This was very informative. I'm glad hear you say as white females what I've been thinking and have known and experienced for a long time being a black female and a follower of Christ. Please, don't stop telling and spreading the TRUTH. WAKE UP the White Church by using your words as mirrors for them to see their true selves whose actions don't reflect the Love of God or who He is. Again...THANK YOU!!

[@andyarellanoChannel]

there is no black church or white church SMH, stop pointing and get to work, don't worry about schumer or pelosi or graham, do your work tomorrow in your own family and stop pointing. Sheeesh. Tell the truth, what truth that their are liars out there that want you to point like kristin?

[@c.d.4438]

@@andyarellanoChannel WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? You must be talking to someone else. Perhaps you are replying to someone else and mistakenly responded to my comments because NOTHING you're saying is responding to what I said.

[@andyarellanoChannel]

@@c.d.4438 you are too focused on race and not on your own life. What are you doing today to serve? Answer that question and you will have your answer to life. White, black, brown, yellow, that is the road to destruction.

[@c.d.4438]

@@andyarellanoChannel I'll keep you in prayer. God Bless.

[@andyarellanoChannel]

@@c.d.4438 you too. One church, no color, working, always working out our salvation. God bless 🙌

[@diannaashley6243]

Thank you for defending Christianity and standing up AGAINST the Fundamentalist Christians 🙏🏻

[@andyarellanoChannel]

nothing like labeling, great job, i remember when Jesus said, let us label them SMH

[@allison_in_canada]

@@andyarellanoChannel I can see why you are upset here. There is nothing wrong with Fundamentalist Christians. As I understand that term, it just means people who are actually aware of adhearing to doctrine (as opposed to dogma).

[@allison_in_canada]

Though it's not your point here . . . Jesus did "call out" or "label" people though. He really let the Pharisees have it in John 8:44. KJV. Not sure which translation you favour

[@andyarellanoChannel]

@@allison_in_canada what do you call it when you label 50 million people? There is a word for it.

[@zaindershabazz5583]

Christianity is a fraud, especially in America,

[@marvakubalik3668]

Several books are mentioned. Is it possible to post a list here?

[@norikadolmy7274]

This too, shall pass

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

Pastors are and live like rock stars now.

[@judithgunnett3314]

Excellent. Thank you so much.

[@pheldonmajors2999]

Thank you so much! Sharing is not for sissies!

[@alfredfleming5354]

This is an honest testimony that will at least bring some back to the Lord Jesus. Thank you.

[@commentsection6460]

What these women are talking about is global. Anywhere colonialism took place, roots are gain. To become white is definitely a privilege. That’s why other races are anti black. Getting closer to white whiteness has benefits. What they’re saying is rooted in all of us.

[@willielee5253]

@BLUEBLACKLEMMON INSIGHT, I recently discovered Dr. Moyles Munroe, and he has a different perspective, "this is not of God's Kingdom, " I'm just saying. God bless you on your journey!!!

[@vladtheinhaler8940]

This is nothing more than anti white racism, and seething hatred for white people as a whole. You and these people are no better than those white people who are actually racists, you blame whites for the problems around the world like they blame blacks. You're both vile and repugnant racists, and you have the audacity to feign moral superiority. You know nothing of the rest of the world or Christianity, you're stuck this American bubble of radical political faux religion.

[@ElimanGibba]

I purchased her Book . She has some deep perspective I hope to learn. I am not religious, but believe in Love however the Toxic White Evangelical Male Christian Anger, Bitterness , Victimhood, Entitlement propaganda has been going on since the early 90’s. Then Donald Trump comes out & they went nuts & crazy .

[@kevinwasserburger3119]

Conversation really drives home just how cultish nearly every sect and church is.

[@nerveagent1905]

They can be better

[@glynlewis1492]

Very brave women, but how did it take so long for them to realise?

[@MeltedPearls]

So much goes into "protecting" and insulating white women to the ugliness going on. We are kept busy and questioned if we leave or change our social groups. They are like playpens to keep us in place and let our families know where we are and what we are doing all the time. We are not given space to find out or even go outside of our boundaries. And if we have such lives, we are considered the most fortunate of people, privileged white Americans. We are constantly reminded of how much worse our lives could be. We are given security of a sort for doing our jobs: focusing on our own homes and families and guarding ourselves from outside disruptions. We are also considered problematic and questionable (resulting in less money, less autonomy, less authority in the home, less freedom) if we change our routine significantly, if we hang out with or like new people, especially anyone of a different race. Our men are often very threatened by any kind of new influence and tend to skeptically insult attempts to bring in fresh or diverse points of view. Everything is a trap except the role of domestic, obedient, cooperative, affable woman not making waves. It's quite a setup! The threat and reality of shunning is a real thing, too, and the threat of it extends to our kids and husbands. It's really conform or be expelled from one's life, marriage, social groups, kids' lives, etc, especially in the South. Even in 2023. ETA: who knows if anyone will read this, but if they do, white feminism has done a lot of damage to the cause of equity for black women. That history is not well-known since they don't play it up. But the hiding of historical racism in our own ranks lives on through the decades we enjoyed suffrage while leaving our sisters who labored with us for this right - like Ida Bae Wells - behind. There is good reason to suppress this shameful history from the very same segment of society who benefitted from this betrayal one of the very few times we actually tried to use our power.

[@jamesklein1278]

I have never seen racism in any church i have attended. This includes those with many races. So how do I take this propaganda. Find a church that the people love one another.

[@johntobey1558]

What are the mysterious, " center's of power she is referring to?

[@kathrynseton1]

As far as reading white authors; YES, we should be reading black voices too. But the white work is also valuable and needed because humans are more likely to first accept hard truths from a representative of their own communities. So it is not JUST about racism. If white peoole read these ladies' books, and subsequently are motivated to read black writers on this, then that is a WIN!

[@lizwejamluji8846]

Black people have had to accept truths and lies from white folk. Why can't whites do the same?

[@johntobey1558]

SBTS in Louisville, KY?

[@thegospel7008]

The title was intriguing 🤔 but I got nothing out of it they were very coy.

[@richardwilmotph.d6747]

COMMENT CENSORED Censorship is the handmaiden of servitude. The first to go are sarcasm, parody & satire.

[@johntobey1558]

Baylor might has well been Harvard Divinity School. Totally liberal!

[@tomitstube]

1987. the nba. after dennis rodman and isiah thomas' (black hall of fame players) team had just been beaten in the playoffs by larry bird's team (white hall of famer) - rodman would say bird was "overrated" and the reason he won 3 consecutive most valuable player awards was because he was white. thomas added, "if bird were black, he'd be just another good guy." the nba was about 75% black in 1990. both black players were forced to apologize to bird. in both cases the apology was written by a white ghost writer, rodman was called "stupid" by HIS agent over the phone, saying both were being "laughed at by the entire country". rodman's agent wrote the apology without rodman's consent or presence. thomas was forced to go on live t.v. to explain his comment. bird, to his credit, played down the comments and said he wasn't offended.

[@johnseaverton1820]

What is your point ?

[@tomitstube]

@@johnseaverton1820 are you confused?

[@johnseaverton1820]

@@tomitstube yea just not sure the point. Can you explain it to me

[@tomitstube]

@@johnseaverton1820 it's a metaphor for amerikkka's systemic racism, you can find it everywhere. i gave an example of a white privilege that's engrained in amerikkkan society. not to say the white church isn't racist, its very roots are racist, bigoted, and sexist, and that's what the right in amerikka love to hold up as this infallible society.

[@johnseaverton1820]

@@tomitstube ok gotcha. I remember that happening and think bird is awesome. But he also got extra hype cause he was the great white hope

[@rodneypratt9700]

Evangelical greed and lack of a moral compass have been the Christian bed rock even before the founding. Who instituted slavery , genocide and terrorism to this land ? They believe they are God's . And won't quit !

[@LisaLisa-qo8gt]

Amen.

[@nerveagent1905]

@@LisaLisa-qo8gt Amen, v'amen

[@troymcintosh2564]

This is amazing and I would love to speak to these women

[@johntobey1558]

Self -hatred is a really bad look fir a Dutch Reformed farm girl from the Midwest. She must have had some acculturation issues in the Bershires of Williamstown, Ma feminazism in any form is quite tragic

[@johntobey1558]

"Imagined Evangelicalism" what does that even mean?

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

Celebrity culture in churches too now, is the problem. You can not get away from this little gods mentality/complex that has infected society, possibly irredeemably. But hope not.

[@ericajohnson2263]

I appreciate this! How can we have been slaves but then have to teach people how to treat us! I'm actually afraid of America!

[@johntobey1558]

Then interview Mark Noll, a real Historian.

[@willpenn2797]

So white Christianity and white women are speaking for the evangelical white church?

[@ernestlane]

Read Ezekiel 34:1-10, replace "Israel" with "the church". Then you will an understanding of how the LORD sees the church -- both Black and White in the USA.

[@dennisjohnson6371]

Brothers and sisters in all cities across this country, arm and prepare yourselves. They are out there. It was Buffalo this time. Yours can be next. Stay vigilant and don't sleep on these people. The evidence is clear.

[@lucasmurphy740]

who is they?

[@dennisjohnson6371]

@@lucasmurphy740 who "are" they ? Well "dah".

[@dennisjohnson6371]

@@lucasmurphy740 who "are" they ? Well "dah".

[@lucasmurphy740]

@@dennisjohnson6371 what?

[@willpenn2797]

Can we book a debate about her views and what the church is allowing them to promote?

[@willpenn2797]

I saying it facetiously when did it just become a White Church?

[@andyarellanoChannel]

2,100 views, 45 likes hmm? this is rocking the world, dude, Greg you are lost.

[@tturbine3940]

How discouraging. Ministers are for the edifying of the church. This is a secular book with a secular title, to a secular audience. This has nothing to do with Jesus' mandate to share the gospel.

[@blueberry-ri7eb]

I remain an outside observer as I see Evangelicals as very dangerous people.

[@JonSmythe]

😂😂😂😂

[@earlinemitchell2124]

I HAVE A QUESTION WILL THERE BE RACISM IN HEAVEN 🙏

[@martindzomley-mensah9913]

You see my dear, people are misinformed about our true identity. There's no white, black, American, African, man or woman in the Spiritual World. We are not these bodies. We are Spirit Souls. The bodies that we identify with are only garments supplied by material nature because of karmic debts. The soul is only transmigrating through different species and bodies because of our desires we put into action . Those actions incur reactions, hence our sorjurn from body to body in the various species throughout the material creation. In Christianity because the concept of karma and reincarnation has been deliberately taken out of its doctrine, Believe and Salvation has been entrenched as the foundamental Doctrine. The concept of who is the Supreme Being and how He looks like are vaguely defined in the Abraham ic religious beliefs of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Because of that, these three Religions, especially Christianity and Islam had and still been manipulated in the hands of the most powerful countries and some ethnic groups to entrench their economic and political domination of the world. To surmise, many people join religious groups to safeguard their ideocincracies, economic interests and ethnic (race) preservation. God is only the front man. That said, there are many many genuine people looking for God only to fall prey to the machinations of some greedy crooks in the guise of 'Men of God'. The Real Men of God are therefore sidelined or drown out of the equation most of the time.

[@user-fk3cn5id4r]

Good question

[@willpenn2797]

I would love to have the debate

[@talib123ful]

Remove all racial images that attempts to portray the divine creator and then start the conversation.

[@kathrynseton1]

You mean they don't look like Morgan Freeman? My whole world is crushed, lol. Ever since Evan Almighty and the Nat Geo Story of God, that's who I envision as God. And I'm lily white.😂

[@johntobey1558]

Dr. DU M. Is the Westminster Catechism inerrant? What a joke.

[@nataliejohnson9526]

2 things in this discussion struck me. 1. That they acknowledged at the start that whiteness is not a norm. 2. The need for hope from the editor. Whiteness is uncomfortable with being discomforted. And even when holding up a mirror to whiteness, it needs to be couched. POC don't get cushioned when navigating white spaces, so we neither expect it, nor require it.

[@johntobey1558]

Remind me to not send my children to Calvin University or Baylor University.

[@nerveagent1905]

Why not?

[@ricecristi]

@@nerveagent1905he want them to go to hell. So keep’em racist so they can burn.

[@immanuelcan3310]

What is "the white church"? Who invented it? What, for that matter, is the "black" church, or the "aboriginal church," or the "Jewish church," or the "European church" or the "male church" or any other such thing? All I know is a the Body of Christ, in which people are full members, regardless of race. All are saved by the blood of Christ, and all are children of God. If somebody's in a different "church," then it isn't one.

[@factsoverfeelings1395]

AMEN! Marxism and feminism have invaded Christianity and this is the result we see today where everything is about race. That's a tool used by race Marxists to destroy Christianity and to destroy America to bring to fruition the New World Order that won't be tolerant to true Christians. America is the best country in the world. This is a foreigner and a former democrat writing to you. These women are nothing more than Marxists and atheists in disguise. They are wolves is sheep's clothing.

[@housepianist]

What your saying is true but to answer your questions, our social constructs is what defines our churches, which is why we have such divisions in them. Churches are more about supporting or creating new foundations in our human (and earthly) beliefs that have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's what the "white church" or "_______ church" is. Many of these churches are "invented" by those who think they are the supposed center of their own universe and of their understanding of who they believe God really is. Is God for the rich? The poor? The privileged? For white people? For black people? Of course, he's for all people, but in our insidious ways as humans, so many of them think they can compartmentalize God and tells us what he really thinks about those who are different from us. This is the greatest failing of the church and if we (yes, I'm a Christian) don't humble ourselves before God and realize that he is in control, it will implode on itself. All are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ who believe that he is the risen son of God.

[@willielee5253]

@the deceits of greed.

[@hesavedawretchlikeme6902]

You are correct. CRT is defining how we should act to join the World Religious Movement. The lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life is not of Jesus. Only the Lord can solve any problem--including racial/cultural Sin. That the progressives, feminists, despise biblical order, sound doctrine, and the proper perspective of the preeminent Jesus Christ as King of kings, and Lord of lords is the problem.

[@markscott4830]

Racist in the "Black Baptist evangelical Churches is a more appropriate topic.

[@johntobey1558]

The Chicago Statement on inerrancy.

[@merrybolton2135]

If this god you believe in is so all knowing and powerful ,then why has IT made such a mess of religion throughout the world . IF I had that power I am sure I could make a better job of it ????????? Do try critical thinking for a change

[@lukasmiller486]

Okay Kristen du Mez, I have not read your book or watched any of your speeches yet but I read the premise of your book so I have a good idea of where you stand. It's perfectly okay to dislike the 'Southern Evangelical' movement. You're entitled to speak your mind. But about "White evangelicals most deeply held values: patriarchy, authoritarian rule...ambivalence towards MeToo and opposition to BLM and LGBTQ" When is the last time you actually sat down to talk with one of these pastors to gain a deeper understanding of his beliefs. Or do you automatically think because he doesn't support these three groups he must be misogynist, racist and homophobic? I mean, you can disagree all day long with a group and still love and respect the people as human beings. When is the last time you did your research on these people besides what the media and Hollywood told you? As far as MeToo is concerned, the reason I disagree with the movement in itself is not because I'm "against women" because the movement's perspective of determining truth is different from the Bible. "A lone witness is not sufficient to establish any wrongdoing or sin against a man regardless of what offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses." Deuteronomy 19:15 People who look at MeToo and think white male privilege and "the patriarchy" is the problem are not seeing the bigger picture. People who look at the accusations and say "Where's the proof? Why did she wait twenty years before coming out on social media and television and giving names?" see the REAL problem. If you think it's possible for a false accusation in the power of a man to ruin someone's life what makes you think a woman wouldn't take advantage of that kind of power too?

[@leezaslofsky4438]

There should have been a moderator to keep them on topic. They seem unable to say something without digressing several times, often with a little giggle. Boring!

[@markboland1181]

The reason why women should not be included in theology.

[@hesavedawretchlikeme6902]

The church of Jesus Christ is not of this world. The world religious movement is.

[@marybrady7392]

Why do we always have to have labels. Aren’t we all the same in the eyes of God??

[@xzyle1000]

We know why all this is separate now we on this stuff this is just talking lip service real question is what religion was Jesus telling? How did his church preceded him?

[@jesusisdead]

Evangelism is about saving souls. It has nothing to do with skin. Does this guy hate himself

[@genobourn7423]

The lack of knowing God!

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

There is racism there too? Rather defeats the point of the gathering, don't you think?

[@carlworthy8847]

When will mankind ever Learn Always staying focused on the wrong things If we keep your eyes On the king of king and Lord of lords keep your eyes on on the Holy Spirit Instead of all these other things If you're walking with the Holy Spirit race is not a problem and it's not an issue this is a heart problem Anything other than fhe Holy Spirit Is of the flesh Anything that is not of the Holy Spirit is sin .......

[@harvestnoelcrawford7026]

Life ain't like that is it

[@cjlooklin1914]

Qq

[@stevemassengill9236]

Disappointed in Baylor sounds very judgmental

[@nicokarsen6131]

Five minutes in and still waiting for these narcissists to say something substantive.

[@48laveo]

Thank you Kristin Du Mez & Beth Allison Barr for this talk.

[@johntobey1558]

Have a discussion with a Clinical Psychologist and a sociologist next. This may be a helpful next step to start a better conversation.

[@Psalm_27.4]

The real racial healing will happen when white Christian MEN and non-white Christian MEN get together and take care of business. It will be very painful, but if done in honesty before the Holy Spirit, it will work.

[@kellyjones4942]

Wait they get worse much worse.

[@shawsr7]

While we appreciate this discussion, we urge you to push further into the truth, tearing down false traditions that infiltrated the Faith. Stop calling the Messiah, the most important person who ever lived a Greek name not assigned by the MOST HIGH Yahuah. Tear down the lies. All of them.

[@JonSmythe]

Does not matter. Anthill much?

[@StarChild.no1]

All this identifying as something within an institution, with all it’s complexities, sounds really exhausting. Not being able to be a decent human being, absent of the institution, sounds un-evolved and unfortunate.. I would even go so far to say that all trouble in the world comes from some type of indoctrinated, instructions, rendering the group rigid with a fix perspective of how life should be, when all the while, the truth contradicts these set of instructions every time.. As soon as we begin defining our lives with the narrative about the relationship we have with (A) G-d and from him we take our instructions on what life is, we begin with a damn lie. And because of that very fact, the outcomes, from the very beginning of that lie, is what everything is today.. I’m black (for context) and somehow blaming white men/women changing what a type of faith was supposed to be, is pathological, because there was no time in history, ever, not pass one second, where these rigid instructions, represented or experienced, a collective goodness.. Worst yet, certainly no time in U.S history.. So what broken idea in the first place, requires repairing and back to what state? Religion is us vs. them.. And when you get to comparing, the truth is, none of it is true nor is it real.. A discussion about the history of undeveloped narcissists from the hunting and gathering days, using a type of instruction, as utility, to control the masses for their gain, which racism is a byproduct of, is more conservative and truthful and could actually make gains in a healthier future..

[@hapennysparrow]

@marvakubalik3668: to answer your question, there are excrllent well researched investigations into the reasons and seeds of origon of how and why we are at this point in American Evangelicalism and as a culture. Katherine Stewart's "The Power Worshippers," Robert P Jones " White Too Long, " and his newest offering takes a deep dive into history to find the roots of White Supremacy and Nationalism, Anne Nelson's " The Shadow Network," and " The Family," and its sequel ," The Undertow." All are insightful, honest, footnoted, backed by documents. I hope this helps you on your quest. Its not a pretty picture, but the truth is the only way for a course correction. I have only listened Robert P.Jones on podcasts. He is a truth teller and documents everything he shares. I myself was embedded into the whole Evangelical experience and can vouch for everything revealed in these books. I was in the belly of the beast for several decades, growing increasinhly alarmed as time went on. I left in 2016 and have not yet found a church home that has not been tainted. Keeping my eyes on Jesus and meditating on His Word. The Holy Post podcast has been a wonderful source of balanced theology, faithful to the scriptures, and bearers of good fruit. It might encourage you as well. It aires on Wednesday mornings. God bless.

[@richardstaples75]

Racism is EVERYWHERE you find human beings w/ differing race, cultures, & skin color. We are ALL "racist" in one or more life aspect & to some degree.

[@DD-rp2qr]

No we are not “ALL” racist. This is not about personal preference or internal prejudices. Racists are about action, power and control changing their environment to what they want through laws, systems, media , and institutions. There is no excuse to be a believer in Christ’s message and align with racist actions.

[@LisaLisa-qo8gt]

@@DD-rp2qr Amen.

[@lucasmurphy740]

1 timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing-if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. What do women think of this passage?

[@Himmiefan]

You can't lift a passage out of a whole book and say it's God's will, yet that's what the sinful, worldly view of male entitlement has done. That's what the foundation of conservative religion is: male comfort and male power. Paul was speaking to the church of Ephesians about a particular situation, influence from the cult of Diana. Jesus never spoke of limiting the role of women (the majority of humanity, by the way), so that's how we know these verses are not for everyone for all time.

[@user-ki1un4jg2d]

Connie Francis was voted the best female entertainer of the 20th century , and she can sing the socks off of most black women , with Ella Fitzgerald being nearly as good of a singer . Yet you get brainwashed and hear all about Aretha Franklin , Mariah Carey , etc . as if black women can sing as well . White women are absolutely better singers than black women , like i said , with the one exception being Ella Fitzgerald , and arguably Mahalia Jackson .

[@blackkman1324]

SO WHITE JESUS (GOD) IS COMMING BACK TO SAVE COMRADE BLACK AS- OR NOT ?

[@alphapred]

Christ is Black, Moses is Black the TRIBE OF JUDAH is Black....how can you be racist Esau? Stop being wicked...your time is OVER.

[@buckeyewill2166]

Terrible, terrible,terrible

[@andrewortiz5797]

God Is Bigger than Religion or Holy Books.

[@alphapred]

@@andrewortiz5797 be that as He is…….HE gave us instructions and curses for disobeying.

[@andrewortiz5797]

@@alphapred God Is Perfect and cannot contradict Himself! In order for A Book to be the actual word of God, it must be error free and it cannot have contradictions? Yes or no?

[@alphapred]

@@andrewortiz5797 God can do as HE wishes. Man contradicts God. Things are altered, denied and omitted because the truth doesn’t fit evils narrative. It’s a “Black” book about 12 Tribes. If you aren’t Tribe; don’t worry about it. Like I said HE’s given instructions.

[@TheHappydaves]

SCAMERS and BS. Artist

[@kathleencorreia2813]

This is absolutely hands down racist people taking on this stage. Sinful.