"Racism Is RUINING Metal"

[@crewd00d]

I'm an adult, and I don't listen to heavy music because I'm angry or violent. I just like the way it sounds. I don't resonate with the lyrics of hating everyone or wanting to mutilate corpses. I just like the heavy sound and the musicianship. I can be happy, healthy, professional, and have good interpersonal relationships while listening to dank nasty breakdowns and blast beats in my free time lol.

[@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord]

People that watch horror movies are obvious just serial killers in the making. And GTA is the cause of the recent spike in carjackings.

[@Jorgetime]

Yep chug chug just sounds good I dunno

[@travisspaulding2222]

Here's my issue with that whole thing. It seems like today's "protest" music, whether left or right, is just shilling these days. Most of it just seems disingenuous these days. In the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s most of the political music seemed genuine. These days, especially on the conservative side, they just seem like they made a business decision. Make it over the top so that Ben Shapiro talks about it, and then laugh all the way to the bank. I don't know a single hip hop fan who like Tom MacDonald, but the couple people I know that do listen to him (or at least shared a video) are people who don't like hip hop. That says a lot, lol. It's unfortunate because people seem to overvalue lyrics and are willing to listen to something they would otherwise hate only because of the lyrics. For me, lyrics were the last thing I cared about, lol.

[@SIRebrum]

​@@JorgetimeChugga Chugga Sounds Fire asf to me, if Patterned the right way.

[@adamreinhardt9135]

Some people are super surprised at how much I love metal because I’m a Lutheran pastor and overall a pretty anti-violence, pro-kindness guy. I try to explain that all of the violence, anger, the satanic imagery, etc are part of a performance. Kind of like watching a horror movie. It puts you in touch with dark feelings and concepts, helps you confront dark realities and explore dark imagination - all in a “safe” context. It’s not just about the riffs for me. It’s about exploring the human condition through music.

[@shimi3065]

Metal fans in the US are FAR more likely to appreciate international metal acts than Hip Hop fans in the US are willing to entertain international hip hop artists. You think gen z kids are listening to Polish or Swedish hip hop? Metal fans absolutely are. And while Poles and Swedes might have the same skin color, they are very different people with different cultural heritages. Their inclusion in metal is far more indicative of tolerance for diversity than counting melanin in the skin. If Gen Z wants to lump Opeth or Behemoth as a bunch of "staright white guys," then they're no better than Kid Rock.

[@EncoreASMR]

This needs so many upvotes. I can not emphasise how American centric hip hop really is. Heck, African and Asian rappers barely get a mention, let alone South Americans or Australians

[@Mialamorena1]

SPEAK FINN!!! QOTSA has a black person in the band!!! I am a 59 year old black woman who grew up in the MTV generation. I LOVE LOVE LOVE your channel, even though I don’t know 69% of the music you are talking about, but I sure go and listen after watching you. People always gawk at me like I’m a sideshow freak when I play rock music. I DONT CARE!!! I should watch you on TWITCH. I think you’re the best!!!

[@schaefer1898]

Love your comment. I work IT (lots of white metalheads) and I keep telling my co-coworkers how my wife converted me to metal and keeps buying me concert tickets, etc. They don't know she's black yet. Can't wait to see their faces once they find out. 😂

[@cambienvenu]

The blurred hands describing an ass is hilarious 💀

[@muenchhausenmusic]

I am both baffled and amazed by the direction this channel is recently taking on occasions 😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@boomertuxx]

LOL the tier lists for fast food and video games is S tier I do day

[@dogfrosinos70]

Whoever wipes standing up is idiotic 😂😂😂

[@OGM_OriginalGameMusic]

god. all my life. people who caught me listening to metal, they would say ''what you angry for?''. Surprise surprise. i can just listen to music cause i like it. The trick is to not let anything (or anyone pushing stereotypes on you... including, sometimes you to an extent, Finn) define you as a person.

[@dusty987]

luke5100How so?

[@jumbokeg1348]

I just had the conversation that started around 3:50 in my car on the speakers outside the gym and people totally heard

[@johanericsson7309]

That guy must have the most insane neck/shoulder mobility! How else would they see their ass while standing?

[@infidelmat]

I believe he meant its easier to view your dirty paper.

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

FINN IS WOKELY USING WOKE WORDS, WOKING WOKELY ALL OVER THE PLACE! 😤😡😤😡

[@johandrytenias1725]

WOKENESS is WOKE now, he's ruining WOKENESS by being WOKE

[@SamuraiKaio]

Sounds like an Attack Attack song

[@ShawnArmstrong-p4n]

Finn I like ya dawg but he right... he right....

[@timbres1]

i think i just woked 😩

[@Vivi_9]

I know this is parody but half the population of western countries actually think like this lmao

[@Ructions]

Howard Jones era Killswitch Engage is my favourite rap rock band.

[@anubisanarchy5710]

Lol

[@Duke4214]

Finn: "no one's hating on the NFL, star wars and call of duty" Welcome to the Internet, this must be your first day here 😂

[@perfectallycromulent]

go to a Star Trek convention and you can round up a bunch of people who hate all three of those things.

[@TimPool.BeanieCivilWarlord]

The VA of Jar Jar was pushed to sewer slide contemplation.

[@itsme123126]

yeah, ill pretend not to still see posts about the last jedi and how it ruined sw and cinema to this day...even if it came out 6 years ago. or people taking a massive piss at CoD for about a decade at this point

[@plaguedoctor4519]

COD has a lot more problems with it now, the female streamer thing is probably niche 😅

[@BigBl0ck-r9y]

PC culture is killing metal/rock

[@NuMetalDad]

As a Gen Xer, there was a moment that made me realize how much of an influence 90s pop culture had. I was going to a Concert with my 24 year old son, and all the way there he was playing his playlists. It was almost seamless the transitions from bands like Helmet, Blink, Hatebreed, to newer bands like Boundaries, etc. Even the rap. At one moment I thought a Ghost Face Killah song that I didn't know was on, and it was some new rapper(to me). All that, and the fact that we we go to concerts and listen to a lot of the same music. It was pretty cool. Also, it was hilarious to me when I tried picturing my dad and me going to concerts together.

[@FairyCRat]

When you mentioned mental health, that weirded me out, because my mental health has been improving a lot and I still love metalcore (along with some other styles) but then you mentioned autism and it all became clear to me, although I don't specifically fancy technical metal as much as some other people.

[@elimcfly350]

The biggest story here is that there are people out there who didn't realize you can/should wipe sitting down. What!? Absolute barbarians.

[@leighkavan5992]

Yeah my mind exploded. 37 years on this planet I had no idea that was even an option

[@pAWNproductionsDE]

There definitely is some racism in metal, but I think sexism is much more prevalent. You can't consistently shit on things pretty women like then wonder why pretty women don't like you

[@neilpatrickhairless]

Oh for sure. I know quite a few women in metal bands and they got all kinds of stories

[@crewd00d]

Also homophobia and transphobia. Metal is probably more accepting than a lot of other genres, but there is a big chunk of homophobics in the metal community.

[@Frederick0220]

Thomas Sowell said it best. "Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racists.'"

[@Frederick0220]

Thomas Sowell said it best. "Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racists.'"

[@kattheshredder6]

Lol metal heads are a walk paradox and so is the community

[@josephtyler2212]

wow i made it on to a finn mckenty video and it's about me standing to wipe my ass

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Congrats bro

[@derekrottenberg4211]

Ive found that the older i get the heavier my taste in music gets. There is nothing wrong with me. Im married with kids and have a good job. I grew up on country and other normie music, which i still love. But i find my pallet for music getting more extreme as i get older. I have a very normal life, and there's nothing wrong with me. I think its possible to like that music just because you like it. Not because your f'd up in some way.

[@savagedonut]

Agree, you like it cause you like it as you always did from when you were younger. Or you like it now while you are discovering it. Its fine to be metal to the core, full metal for life.

[@brandonmaddox4862]

I just live by the creed “like what you like, just don’t push it on me if I don’t”

[@ryandavenport2232]

I was trying to eat breakfast, and next thing i heard is a debate about sitting down or standing up to wipe your ass 🤢

[@fatefatefate]

Same. Hate when he says gross stuff on here

[@ryandavenport2232]

@@fatefatefate Baha, yeah, and then I sat here thinking about it while trying to eat

[@thejrfanclub628]

weak beta mindset. I shit while I eat

[@JhamEntertainment]

Dropping ka plunks as we speak

[@ryandavenport2232]

@@thejrfanclub628 Cool story. I don't eat where I shit👌

[@Mettle_DAD]

16:00 nah its anti-mainstream bias. The type of person to get mad about a band who is "metal" but not really and just becomes popular because they have a women vocalist. If it comes off genuine no one cares. Does anyone hate on entheos? Or old arch enemy? Some people just hate seeing thier loved genre be commercialized and popularized for the wrong reasons. Im guilty here. No spiritbox. No jinjer. But hell yes entheos.....but even they r leaning into the baddiecore model now. And arch enemy has for a while. Cant even listen to their tracks any more. Vocals are actually ok but the rest of the music has been dumbed down so low to focus on the lead. Its just what sells. And its sad. It taints even good bands. Others go straight for the thirst trap.

[@worksofein6449]

Metal as stimming is deffo true for me. I'm not that into the extreme lyrics or musical technicality, but something about heavily distorted guitars, especially with low tunings, just really hits the spot and helps chill me out. I also get the same effect from drum n bass, dark ambient, some film scores.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Hell yeah, good times fam.

[@shanetrain90]

I was crying laughing so hard about you telling him you're not gonna teach him how to wipe and to look it up on wiki how😂😂😂

[@springer90]

So is it racist if u wipe standing up?

[@KingCharles-o6z]

I don’t know…. Metal celebrates a LOT of diversity. If you find out there’s a metal band from Malaysia you’d think it’s cool. If anything hip hop is the genre that vocally shuts on non-blacks rapping.

[@SerebiiWarrior]

Japan has been doing metal for a while and while fairly niche, Mongolian metal is a thing too. Plus, in South America metal bands do very well on tour there. Hip-hop has always been traditionally thought of as black people music, but its still drawn in many fans of all races. I suspect the same thing is gradually happening for metal too. When music can reach a global audience through the internet it would follow that eventually people from many different walks of life would start their own scenes.

[@Inherent_perversion]

A lot of metal sub genres are created or largely influenced by people of color are brutal, blackened death, thrash etc hated genres in the metal world, absolutely not and these genres had black people in their creation Terrance Hobbs and Mike smith are the reason brutal death metal exists for fucks sake lmao Terrance remains one of the most praised guitarists in death metal

[@kylecoss1764]

I was always under the impression that Infant Annihilator was basically a satire band. Extreme for sake of being extreme. Have you seen there music videos? They are absolutely silly. With that said, I enjoy them when I workout. Great video!

[@miguelbettencourt4893]

God I'm a stander, I just feel you need to look at your shit first and predict what's gonna show up on the wipe

[@neilpatrickhairless]

💀💀💀

[@hamburger512]

Let alone putting my hand between my legs towards nasty poopy bowl water is awful.

[@MrLando0]

@@hamburger512wait, is that really how they do it?? I thought sitters lifted their butts to the side off the toilet. How do they not touch shit water?

[@hamburger512]

@@MrLando0 do they? That might make more sense. Obviously I am a stander lmao

[@Cryomancer21]

Some americans forget that the rest of the world might not share their views on politics.

[@sole__doubt]

And we couldnt possibly care less about the rest of the world. If only the feeling was mutual...

[@CodyCockyote7046]

Europe and Asia use the U.S. as bad examples of lack of resources and development. Especially americans that come to Europe talk bad about their own country that says something.

[@ewww21]

I like how race is political.

[@siniister710]

@@sole__doubtwhich is why we suck. No one in this country gives a fuck about anyone but themselves. 0 community aspect at all.

[@sole__doubt]

@@siniister710 Not where I live. You probably live in a neighborhood where minorities are welcome. I have to drive past those occasionally I feel for you.

[@guipontes7526]

The ideia of a grown ass adult standing up to wipe is insane. You make it when you're a toddler and your mom cleans you up.

[@drgetwrekt869]

Varg isn't ruining anything. His first 3 albums are masterpieces. Can't say the same of the other two.

[@snarepusher]

I think starting from the 90s it became a lot easier for creative DIY subculture people in music, film and probably arts in general, to produce good stuff and also spread it to an interested audience. Of course there have always been exceptions, but before that most bands needed a label or studio to like them and most of the times think that what they are doing would be profitable in the existing market. The advances in stuff you needed to record music, go on tour and media made that a lot easier in the 90s and it also meant that bands like Nirvana, who never actively sought to become stars, could produce music that was distributed to millions of people finding it great, while still being somewhat anchored in the culture of their genre. Also for many people living conditions changed immensly. I know some very creative boomers who would have had everything necessary to become stars, but they had to work at 16 and be able to support a family at 20. Some of them went on to play in local bands with their friends (or paint, sculpture, record hobby films etc.) for the rest of the life, but going on a van tour, not making any money for a few months or spending all their income to record a demo jsut wasn't an option for most people before the 90s. It's the finanicial wealth of the boomers that allowed their Gen X kids to experiment at least until their mid 20s, so of course more people found their niche or market to make a career work until then, others produced a few memorable songs and later went on to live a "normal" life with "normal" jobs. I also think that the felt cultural impact of that probably peaked in the 90s because later it got too easy. The fact that everyone could produce and spread good sounding music, films, and so on after sometime int he 2000s led to incredibly fractured scenes. So instead of having like one Nirvana, one Green Day and so one there are hundreds of them, probably all great, but no one is able to follow all of them, so the question which stuff becomes so big that it will stay relevant for the future again comes down to gatekeepers, luck and the new player algorithms

[@svmmyb0i220]

I disagree with the take about rock fans not being inclusive. When I found out that bands like Oceano and Brand of Sacrifice have black front men, I thought that was the sickest thing ever 🤘

[@thaddeusk]

I'm in my 40s now and I listen to heavier music than I did through most of my teens and twenties. I'm a successful, home-owning, techie, so have a pretty good life. I tend to listen to more tech death and atmospheric black metal. I just like complex music, which is why I also enjoy classical.

[@TheEllis197]

Sum 41’s Chuck was amazing! Bitter End! To me it felt like they always wanted to be heavy but the record execs pushed them to a more pop punk vibe cuz that was what was popular at the time. Chuck felt like it was them playing what they wanted.

[@jasongibbons6169]

why do people freak out about a conservative artist? what is amazing to me is people talk about being rebels and yada yada and then support the democrats who push for more and more government reach into our lives, i am not saying conservatives haven't pushed for things that couldn't be considered in the same light, but the blind following for democrats really shows the lack of attention people have with politics.

[@MofosOfMetal]

I don't buy that this "unconscious bias" is the main reason for less views. I think that people are less likely to click on videos with black people or women in them partly because of a "reaction against wokeness". People are wary of being preached to, and people are also wary of musicians being promoted based on their race/gender. People sense that a push for diversity comes at the expense of quality and have lost their faith that artists are being promoted based solely on merit. This is how "wokeness" backfires - it tries to help the disadvantaged but ends up with this weird reverse effect.

[@alteredendeavor]

This is closer to the reality. I really don't care about the color, sex, or preference of a person in the band. I do care about hamfisted narratives and things being overly promoted for the sake of a flimsy ideology.

[@msroxannablack]

I agree.

[@AnungUnRama987]

so wokness has been smashed to oblivion to mean nothing and now just black /women equal woke lovley ,

[@MofosOfMetal]

@@AnungUnRama987 No - "Wokeness" in this context means something that may have good intentions but negative side effects. "Diversity" and "Inclusivity" are positive things when encouraged naturally but there have been many cases where it has been "pushed" at the expense of quality. I'll give you an example - I saw a recent Metal Hammer article celebrating new exciting up-and-coming Metal artists - they talked about how exciting it was that they were female and/or black and are "smashing stereotypes". It felt like they were more concerned with promoting diversity and inclusion than promoting music based on quality. It made me less trusting of the magazine's capacity to promote things on musical merit.

[@AnungUnRama987]

​@MofosOfMetal you provided a title at least, the above simply says if black and or women I don't click because wokeness (a word I still is smashed into oblivion to simply mean something I don't like/agree with 90% of the time)

[@BDeClue18]

I must be autistic because my childhood wasn’t messed up and I’m not on board with all the lyrical themes of metal, but it still sounds cool to me and is very enjoyable 😂😂

[@Inherent_perversion]

He’s just trying to relate to metal people and have a reason why he’s a burn out of the genre he’s not into it anymore but understands the lack of high budget metal content and wants to capitalize on it

[@IY4554]

I think metal is the last genre to worry about something like racisim. Finn nailed it in that there is very few examples of open racisim on metal. It's just a matter of checking out some Cannibal corpse lyrics or other bands of more extreme genres. You'll find plenty of pedophilia, bestiality, hate and violence. Worse than racisim. So case closed, metal can be nasty but all this political correctness doesn't belong in the scene. Wokeness has already taken over the new punk scene.

[@stevemps11]

Bro if the music is good I don’t care who is making it. I believe most folks feel the same. for example IMO of course the lead singer of spirtbox i can’t recall her name at the moment comes off as an insufferable b$:!h in some of her interviews however I think she is a badass vocalist and when ever spirtbox goes heavy she is absolutely amazing.

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

Courtney LaPlante, and while looking it up to make sure I remembered it correctly, I saw she's like just a few weeks younger than me, funny.

[@SouthernOregonReps]

I think any band who isn’t liberal is labeled conservative racists (which they aren’t most times). Personally I want rock to be rock and don’t want it political one way or the other. Like NOFX.. I like most of their in political songs, but HATE their lefty songs.

[@Sunwarz707]

The oldest surviving guitar instrument is a tanbur from Egypt, dating back to circa 1500

[@spfadden082711]

For me Sum 41 had three great albums before chuck. Half hour of power, all killer, does this look infected… when chuck came out I that it was one of the rare cases when a band changes their sound that worked. It also made concerts a lot of fun.

[@SamuelMooreFlamencoMusic]

Hi Finn, long time lister, first time leaving a comment. I'm not a fan of doing the whole "speaking as a ..." thing , but I'm mixed heritage (my dad's black and my mum's white). I'm not saying this to imply that my view is more valid than anyone else's but rather to be upfront that I'm speaking with some degree of personal experience here. I just wanted to say this. I'v been a huge rock and metal fan since I was a kid and in over 25 years of going to live shows (from grass roots stuff all the way up to big stadium concerts) I've always found the rock and metal community to be a very welcoming. Irrespective of there background or mine, everyone just seems to want to hear great music and share that amazing experience of seeing phenomenal bands live. They (the fans base at large) don't seem to care about skin pigmentation and nither do I. With this in mind, I would respectfully disagree with you on this one. If anyone feels excluded from the rock or metal scene I'd say that might be self imposed rather than grounded in anything coming from the music itself or fan base. Granted they'll be a few exceptions to what I'm saying here and admittedly, I'm more of a rock guy than a metal guy when it comes to live shows + my experiences are all UK based, but I stand by my view. In short, racism seems to me to be so rare on the scene that in a quarter of a century of being immersed in it, I literally can't name you one instance in which I (or any of my black or mixed friends /family members) who come with me to shows have encountered it. Great channel by the way and thank you for all the great content you're putting out. 👍

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

Just remember metal is the only genre with an entire subgenre of nazis, where if you are looking at certain Euro festival lineups you need to do research to make sure you don’t accidentally watch a nazi band

[@SamuelMooreFlamencoMusic]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA thank you for making the time to reply! I agree that what you've just said is indeed (sadly) true, but I would say (and certainly would hope) that these are exceptions in the genre rather than reflective of the whole. As such, I'm reluctant to view racism in either rock or metal as systematic problems as opposed to localised. This being said, I'm very conscious that I'm basing what I'm saying on my own experience of live gigs (not data) and I'm certainly not as well listened as you when it comes to metal so perhaps I need to look a little deeper. It also strikes me that it might simply be different with different bands and as such, perhaps I'm just not seeing these issues due to my listening preferences. With all this in mind, thank you for bringing it up, it's been interesting to hear a different perspective on this subject. Thank you again for the content you are putting out. I really enjoy your channel and always look forward to each video. 👍

[@Owlr4ider]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Why do you keep bringing this up? Yes those guys exist, so what...? They make up about 0.000000001% of the overall metal community so are you are giving them so much power? Also why do you have to do research? Even if you do stumble into unknowingly listening to such a band and find that you actually like their music than who cares? I mean most black metal lyrics as a whole are pretty unintelligible so you won't even know they're racist unless you do a deep dive into them. And if you do by happenstance realize that you're listening to racist music than by all means stop listening to it if it bothers you. If you like the music listen to it, if you don't than don't. It doesn't even matter why you like or dislike a certain band, whether it's due to racism or any other reason, do whatever you want. Free country(well if you live in the western world at least, in other places it depends where) and all that... I don't get this obsession with sterility that woke culture has brought us.

[@annadarko6056]

I feel like in the late 80s, 90's and early 2000s artists were allowed to experiment more/their experiments got more chances to be in the spotlight of the mainstream. During the 2000s piracy became a problem for music labels and film studios, so from then on everything started to become more controlled. Then social media and streaming services boomed and more artists had a chance to promote their art everywhere. But imo it just feels overwhelming. Especially music is extremely hard to filter for me and I have to admit that I find it increasingly difficult to just sit and listen to an entire album from start to finish. Of course rich millenials not having original ideas and remaking all their favourite movies and shows from their childhoods and making a film adaptation of any good game is the bane of our existence.

[@mikephilly6748]

In response to the baddie-core comment I was one hundred percent that way with Sleeping With Sirens and Asking Alexandria in high school. Saying the music sucked and they were only big because chicks think the singers hot. Once I got over myself in college and realized I was missing out on actual good music and just fumbling the bag with chicks for 4 years lol

[@Nestorglass]

I mean, you werent wrong, they got that popular due to girls thinking they were hot but i mean, every major popular band falls on that category at some point too, without being baddiecore What i can critizise baddiecore for is being repetitive and boring 😅

[@mikephilly6748]

@@Nestorglass it’s a problem I’ve had with Finn on this kind of take for awhile. At some point it is true but you also have to blame the band/label for marketing the band/vocalist so aggressively that way.

[@Nestorglass]

@@mikephilly6748 yeah neither the band nor the label/management/marketing team are that stupid to not see that coming. They completely do it on purpose. Noah Sebastian wasnt afraid of showing himself lookin like a snack at any point until it got uncomfy for him I guess, but they were relying on his image/persona as much as BMTH does with Oli (which is for me the prime example of this).

[@EricAxel36]

Finn taking extreme metal lyrics way too seriously, smh. People like the sound of metal, it's not that serious. There is a reason why a large portion of people who listen to metal can actually play instruments, too. The whole "autism" suggestion is absolutely wild. It's much more likely that people who enjoy the same pop music that 8 year old children enjoy are the ones who are "on the spectrum"

[@MekareP]

I feel like the bands are more open and diverse than they used to be. But I feel like the fanbase is a 50/50 grab bag of which way they identify. I think it will largely also depend on the location of them too. If you only go to music shows in large cities and never in a smaller one in the midwest your perception is going to be much different. When we saw A7X in Chicago, the amount of women there was really freaking cool. THEN when we went to the closer to home show in Moline, IL it was mostly dudes. Tinley Park in Chicago is only 2.5 hours away but it makes a huge difference.

[@bamafencer12]

Very true, I see way more women getting down more these days. I love it!

[@micharogowski9538]

The concept of standing up to wipe has never even crossed my mind. WTF

[@irishspagetti6565]

there is definitely alot of conservative rockers that don't talk about their politics so keep that in mind

[@pinkfreud62]

I'm confused. I came to hear about racism ruining metal & all I'm hearing about is that crappy punk wannabe group Green Day.

[@rochat]

I agree with you on Green Day and I'd like to add that I believe their Dookie follow-up, "Insomniac" is just as good if not better IMO.

[@yvs6663]

"people hate it coz women like it" no. people hate things like 50 shades because the things that appeal to women don't appeal to them and the rest of the thing is kind of awful. way, way more awful than the similar thing where the main selling point mostly appeals to men. where is the people hating women who play cod? last time i checked, some of the most succesful people on each major online platform were women with typically male interests. but yeah, sure, there is a negative comment in comment section, women most affected. but anyways, while i was never really a huge fan of metal with gore as lyrics, i have enjoyed songs with those kinds of lyrics and all in all, to me, its just words that sit well with the vibe of the rest of the song. the reason non neurotypical people relate to anything that was labeled bad wo a reason might just be that they were labeled bad wo a reason. just saying.

[@RanterInShades]

“I’m not saying it’s racist, but it’s racist” Finn, stop.

[@yemartini5443]

Tell me you didn’t listen to his argument and are just straw manning

[@perfectlysureunknown]

I am a hip hop head who has become quite the metal head over the last ten years. My favorites are Opeth, Katatonia, Enslaved, Hypocrisy, Death, Iron Maiden, and lots more mostly progressive and death metal. I have found myself liking bands and finding out later that either members or the fanbase are racist like Burzum and Iced Earth. I listen to music and read the lyrics, as long as its not in the song I typically won't care about this type of stuff.

[@mikeyexplainseverything5482]

Every black rock frontman being compared to Corey Glover and Lajon Witherspoon from Sevendust is kinda racist.

[@brettkihlmire573]

That's because they don't know many other bands with black frontmen, or their interest in rock/metal is shallow. I did notice that when there's a black person in a band, people (especially Europeans) get all excited in a very creepy way. Prime example is Melissa Bonny (Warkings, Ad Infinitum, Rage of Light). She's an incredible vocalist and that speaks for itself, but for some reason people can't help but gravitate toward her on her ethnicity instead of her raw talent as a singer. It's plain dumb in my opinion.

[@tokeypokey]

Howard jones called he said them guys suck

[@crazydiamond3403]

Green Day trilogy albmus are what i listen to when the homies aint around

[@willrunriot]

I can hardly take assertions of racism seriously anymore, unless it’s brazenly obvious. Our culture really does have an obsession with being a victim, and that mindset is holding society back more than any sister-banging trailer park racist - and for one reason, really. Only one of those viewpoints is not only culturally-acceptable, but straight-up promoted. Both are appalling.

[@jasonlauritsen5587]

Metal is so racist that half of metal performers and fans are from central and south America, especially extreme metal lol

[@mattdeinken6580]

I love metal punk and rap and I'm a 40 year old male with asperger's

[@stuartwinter2758]

I got into metal as an anti authority, fuck everything, if your into pop culture you suck kind thing. Metal had balls. Same with gangsta rap. As a white man in my 40s I now still listen to this stuf as not only a nostalgia thing but as an analytical listener. I can definitely say I am very very picky about what new music I choose to listen to. It has to either have a great creative or historic story or message or come from the heart. Listing to lyrics that are just word salad is a big turn off.

[@phillipbug958]

Rap is far FAR more racist. They’re openly willing to say some dumb stuff & not to mention how they treat women, lgbt & any other race even, if trying to rap.

[@herbicide2]

ok phillip

[@zumatoobs]

@@herbicide2 A’s leaving Oakland.

[@jarjarabraham7079]

Metal is a white space just like Rap/Hip Hop is a black one, deal with it.

[@jbanne001]

Please, like metal hasn't said the same dumb stuff and treat women gays and other races terribly? And I say this as a metalhead for over 30 years. Why does any critique of metal automatically go towards an attack of rap also? Why can't there be genuine criticism without whataboutisms?

[@zumatoobs]

@@jbanne001 what are you even talking about. What metal song are you referring to? Meanwhile Pick just about any rap song

[@FrankOpett]

There’s “like me ism” in all genres, it’s not racist, it’s normal. People tend to listen to music they can relate to more and relate more to the artist. This is also very true with rap, hip hip, r&b, etc.

[@Daniel-xp4yg]

he literally says that in the video

[@shaunlafountain7189]

Unfortunately i have to say this... just because i get old doesnt mean im going to completely abandon my taste in music and just because some hot chicks like some Justin Bieber doesn't mean im going to rush out and embrace some Justin Bieber... i also look exactly like that Wojak incel in that picture 😂

[@sakurachxld6477]

I get what he said on the racist question but I feel he forgot to mention the fact that black metal exists and is the home to the most neo-nazi and homophobic murderers bands not helping that the biggest bands in those scenes are within those ideologies and committed those acts

[@NickyDiamond44]

Gotta check the boxes or else you might seem racist. There is no unconscious bias in metal. Metal has always been 95% white and male. That’s just who happens to be metals primary fan base. It’s not because metal fans are exclusionary of blacks and women. Blacks and women tend to not like metal and it has nothing to do with white bias or bigotry.

[@paravan2000]

Actually, there were quite a lot of black musicians and fans in the 80s metal scene. Since 90s there are less.

[@kingdick8390]

It’s insane people think this way. Bro this isn’t 1950 60s segregation lol some cultures like stuff more than others. Big deal. They just need to come out and say if you’re a majority then you’re automatically racist

[@Duke_of_Spook]

They changed the definition of racism to be 'group of white guys'. They don't even have to be racist for them to be considered such. How fun!

[@anubisanarchy5710]

There is some unconscious bias in metal. It might be small but it exists. The same is vice versa in early rap until Eminem. Rap fans did not want to listen to white men until Eminem and even after Em would be the only white rapper liked.

[@symptomofsouls]

Same thing as asking "why are there not more black hockey players", they just prefer other sports. No one is stopping a black kid from learning hockey, they just aren't as interested in hockey. There are definitely black people who love metal, but for the most part black people prefer other genres. No one is stopping them from enjoying metal.

[@fu102]

A room full of "straight white men" can be more diverse than a room full of people with various skin tones, if the colorful group all grew up in the same area for instance. Its ok to not have "diversity" also, as most cultures historically do fine and in a lot of instances thrive on the group being likeminded and not "diverse".

[@brocklastname6682]

Progressives like a diversity of skin tones, that all think the same way.

[@Daniel-xp4yg]

diversity has actually been proven by studies to increase productivity in the workplace. Why are you justifying racism?.

[@cheesebuger13]

As an autstic man that's 100% correct, I love metal and punk. However, I do feel like my mental health is improving so there is some loss in interest in the non-popular stuff.

[@mikek3658]

I would love to see an interview with Fantastic Negrito. He's an amazing musician and song-writer. Very bluesy. "All Up in My Space" and "How Long" are good starting points to those who are interested.

[@bamafencer12]

I'm a minority woman and there is a little racism in rock. I go see indie, local metal, prog rock, and even indie country so I've seen many many shows. Anytime I go to show, I will 100% get stares. It is what it is.. I love the music, but sometimes people sucks. This doesn't include the other stuff that has happened to me. Now the band members are awesome. I do think music fans should be more open minded and not gawk at nonwhite fans.

[@D91Mart]

Have you ever considered they are just surprised that you're there and has nothing to do with not wanting you there?

[@Thomas_McCoy]

What race are you?

[@bamafencer12]

@@D91Mart But why be surprised though? I'm history nerd when it comes to music and last I checked the foundation of blues, rock, and jazz has come from black people. It shouldn't be a "shock" that a music fan that happens to be black be at an acid jazz ensemble.

[@D91Mart]

@@bamafencer12 it might be surprising because its absolutely a fact that there are less black people that like metal. Yes black people essentially led to the invention of rock music, but it's obviously clear there are just not as into it as white people are. Why Is that? my best guess is lack of exposure to this style of music maybe. 🤷‍♂️ (also just to add I think all people should feel welcome to be metal fans)

[@D91Mart]

@@bamafencer12 people are surprised when they see things that are unexpected. When you go to metal shows and see mostly white people all the time it might be surprising if a black person is there, it doesn't mean they are not happy you're there it's just something they are not used to see. I like to mountain bike and snowboard I have never seen a black person do either sport, I would be surprised if I saw that.

[@HappinessDIY]

Correction: Dre 310 would be a rapper from Long Beach (310 area code), not Bay Area! (I know it is 562 now, but it was 310 in the 90s).

[@martinbabich1920]

If rock fans really had a bias for music done by white men, then j rock and Japanese metal wouldn't be popular anywhere in the world

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

I mean- it isn’t really popular outside of japan

[@soulcrusher807]

Green Day don't have any great albums but they have a good song here and there. Metal is best when it isn't part of the pop culture but yeah, it sucks how the fan base is. Sum41 were big metal fans so them progressing to that sound made sense. Metal was never me against the world for me, I loved the sound. My Dad says it is his fault he took my mom to a concert while she was pregnant and that was probably how music would sound in the womb 😂.

[@blacksunshine7485]

Dont let Phil Anselmo near the wine at Ted Negents confederacy appreciation for gods sake.

[@benkendall5562]

Since working on my mental health I have gradually started to listen to more catchy/simple music or music which prioritises rhythm. I actually allow myself to enjoy and get into the vibe of a song rather than sit and analyse every note for ages

[@NuMetalfan1996]

@benkendall5562. Your personality and mental health dictates what you like listening to. Most people who are doing well and have good social skills and social lives tend to listen to PoP or Dance Top 40 music of their era, or listen to genres like Indie or PoP Punk. Most people who are not doing well and have poor social skills tend to listen to angry or aggressive forms of music, like Hard Rock, Metal or Hardcore. Obviously there will be exceptions as everyone is different, but most of the time it is that way. PoP/Top 40 Dance Hip Hop Indie PoP Punk Soft Rock Those genres are on the Happy/Doing Well/have good Social Skills side of the scale. But genres like Hard Rock Grunge/Butt Rock Nu-Metal/Alternative Metal Traditional Metal Extreme Metal Metalcore/Deathcore Emo/Post Hardcore Hardcore Those genres tend to be on the not doing well/Poor Social Skills/going through bad mental health side of the scale.

[@Jamessunderland1999]

I don’t think anything is stopping black/gay people from joining the rock/metal scene. You’re talking about the scene as if it’s 1980. I don’t think there is another genre of music that has a more accepting fan base lol. As far as low numbers of black people. Well, could it just be that most black people don’t care and don’t like metal and rock? Just like the flight industry. The reason there is a low number of black people isn’t because of oppression, but because black people just generally tend not to want to be pilots lol. Music is one of the most freeing and liberating arts and if we start looking around and going “there’s 50 white artists- that means we need 50 black artists as well” that’s just stupid to measure shit like that. People like what they like, if black people generally don’t like rock or metal, what can you do lol

[@FinnMckentyPRMBA]

There’s an entire subgenre of literal nazi black metal

[@drinkinouttacups2665]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA RAC exists too, not sure what your point is

[@MikeHoncho610]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBAthat almost no reasonable human being would ever listen to.

[@MekareP]

Do you have data to back that up about the pilots? Because guessing and generalizations about something like that isn't great to base an opinion like this on. And I say this because talking about this subject this way you gotta be accurate.

[@BasedHyperborean]

@@FinnMckentyPRMBAk. There are also skinhead rappers lmao. What point were you trying to make here?

[@christodec]

no racism in metal? have you heard of Phil Anselmo, Iced Earth, and all the politically extreme right black metal bands?

[@therealkakitron]

And here I am, a Mexican who's about to launch a 90s style grunge project sang in Spanish 😂

[@anubisanarchy5710]

Por favor, quiero escucharlo.

[@ltarmenia4ever]

Kid Rock is metal? Da fuq? If you do something about Howard Jones, Ill watch it hundred times at least.

[@TheRealAb216]

Racism in metal.... Kid rock and Kanye West in thumbnail 😂

[@kikiki4592]

Dude, they are more metal than any of our favorite metal artist. Have you heard some of the riffs they have dropped on us, Slayer and Pantera only dream of riffing like that.

[@nickkorea5850]

watch the video before making a comment

[@kikiki4592]

@@nickkorea5850 I did and he makes funs of people putting things in the thumbnail for click bait and kind of shits on it, yet he is doing it also. So think before you comment, also.

[@zumatoobs]

@@nickkorea5850 yes over on O’block, they are worried about racists…. Haha

[@newwaveinfantry8362]

Kid rock is not racist. The left repeatedly calling all conservatism racism over and over again doesn't make it reality.

[@allenhicks8382]

Everyone saying staind sucks 100% jammed with them in the early 2000’s and now just have a political bias

[@PhreakPhantom]

When "I just don't enjoy hip hop , that's all..." became something "racist" to say, nothing else is racism.

[@fatefatefate]

It's "racist" to even listen to supposedly racist artists even if they don't talk about their politics in their music at all. It's like you're supposed to actively monitor your fav artist twitter acc and instantly disengage being a fan the moment they "wrongthink." You are fully responsible for this

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

​@fatefatefate eh . If they didled kids, would you still listen? Or better yet, what do they have to do for you not to listen. If it's just talking politics then you have weird standards

[@fatefatefate]

@@BillyDHughesDrumsThat's the worst attempt at making an equivalence i've ever seen.......I'm not even going to attempt to explain how inane that is. I'm just going to say that yr parents really must be brother n sister. loll

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

Nah you want that to be true. Noone says your racist because you don't like rap. It's usually when you follow it up with. "Yeah and the way they treat their women" lol metal was white hiphop and did all the same shit rap did. Metal artist just cried more

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

True, even when those that go out of their way to be racially motivated or edgy in a cringy way aren't racist, they're just making dumb opinions about something they don't like, hate, or got hurt by somebody. Oh I forgot but also by boomer's, oldheads, or elitists that just hate rap, new stuff, or genres mixing I guess.

[@TheCarebearstar]

Omg why are we talking bout poop all the time 😂

[@cthulhukc7six6six37]

I'm a little older than our wonderful host. I have an eclectic taste in music, art, and various medias. There's something beautiful about being in front of a speaker stack and having your soul pummeled by Alex Webster or Les Claypool.

[@JJSFC]

Fellow former stand-up wiper due to not knowing any better.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

What you describe as "like me-ism" is called tribalism in psychology. You construct an in-group and an out-group and prioritize people who you perceive as being like you and deprioritize people who are not like you. The result is that you often over-identify with art (music, video games, TV shows, etc.) made by people like you and don't give art made by people not like you a fair chance. It's not a healthy thing for any scene, be it a specific music genre or an art scene or any other form of media, as it causes you to overlook things you would like if you gave it a chance.

[@jaredweiman2987]

So Gene Simmons is a poser because you don't agree with him? Incredible. People let this stuff occupy way too much space in their head.

[@leftymcnally6913]

Chrissie Hyndes had a great quote about why bands eventually get more and more technical as they get older, and it simply came down to "the more you practice, the better, and more technical you get". I'm paraphrasing of course

[@nogurusmind]

What do you think of Idles? They made me love music again during the pandemic and keep putting out great albums. Listen to Brutalism and Joy as an Act of Resistance as intros to them if you are unfamiliar.

[@particlejim]

Brutalism and JAAAOR are both excellent albums, not a fan of their other albums though, I feel like they fell off hard

[@mpls1982]

I dont know man, judging an entire fanbase based off a comment section is wild to me.

[@Cryomancer21]

My thoughts exactly, Finn is too traumatized by the internet + he's old and thinks in stereotypes

[@corytimmons1418]

Totally agree most ppl aren't on the internet all day all the time

[@drankFoD]

Exactly … take two random fans of a band / genre and they’re going to be two completely different people

[@MegaWhatever86]

Its physics if youre standing your asscheeks are clenched. when youre sitting the pressure is concentrated to the middle of youre ass and cheeks themselves are open.

[@truevudderhutz3482]

You know what? You gotta sitting and then wipe one last time when standing

[@spark300c]

I am center right rocker. I think racism is worst in metal. Like have my bias but I willing to listen to good pop punk by non whites.

[@T.k.b.a.h.a]

Half of Metallica isn't white. Slayer is fronted by a not-white guy. Kid rocks drummer is a black woman. Korn...pretty diverse. Sepultura has had a black guy on vocals for 20yrs now...

[@Chill-mm4pn]

Yet people will still stare at you as a metal fan who isn't white. When I went to see Slayer most people were cool but I feel it's an age thing. Older guys like myself usually don't give a fuck but some 18 to 21 year old white boy is usually the one staring. It's just childish in my opinion. For context I'm a guy who's black. I mean that was 2019.

[@jbanne001]

Same. I'm a 41 year old metalhead who's a black guy and I know for a fact that metal isn't exactly "tolerant" of non whites overall. ​@@Chill-mm4pn

[@symptomofsouls]

Suffocation had a black drummer, You have Leo McClain who is one of the most talented drummers in the world, he's black. Kyle Anderson of Brand of Sacrifice, nasty deathcore vocalist, Tosin Abasi - who is Tosin Abasi, enough said.

[@zumatoobs]

@@jbanne001how isn’t metal tolerant. Name one song that supports your theory 😂

[@markot8927]

Deftones classic lineup, only Abe is white, Stef half-white/half-Mexican, Chino half-Mexican/ half-Mexican-Chinese, Chi half-Chinese/half-white, Frank is Cuban if I'm not mistaken, anyways def. latino, and even Sergio is latino . How's that for diversity?

[@vladharanich]

Ah actually yes, I've been listening a lot to black/death metal bands like Cannibal Corpse, Necrophagist, Deicide, Mayhem, and many other disturbing stuff when I was a teenager. Now I wouldn't listen to that stuff, I'd rather be in silence.

[@danielstarr9037]

One part of the unconscious bias thing that I’m not sure I’ve heard you address, but what I feel like may be a huge part, is enjoying music that makes you feel masculine, or that you identified as masculine during your teen years when you began understanding masculinity.

[@GhostKill88]

I'm not a kid rock fan, but the dudes not racist. His drummer was black for God sakes.

[@DoYaPhilMeh]

people like "chaotic gay surge" just are way too used to towing those lines to the corner of every argument and its really getting exhausting, it's always "the racists and phobe's" even though they have absolutely no evidence or unique POV to back that statement up besides their feelings. There are hundreds of thousands of active touring musicians, "Gay" pulls out the 2 biggest offenders he can think of and its Kid Rock and Ronnie... 2 people that you will literally never encounter or come across unless you are actually searching for them. Like I'm just chillen watching Sleep Token music videos and all of a sudden Kid Rock comes strolling out with a confederate flag waving in my face? Or here I was just minding my own business listening to Green Day while I type up a report and RONNIE F'N RADKE knocks the mic out of Armstrong's hand and starts screaming "THERE ARE ONLY 2 GENDERS YOU F'N QUEER".

[@orangeblitz4786]

There is not enough racism in metal. Smh. Metal fans and artists need to better. We need representation

[@michaelward5370]

I personally think that Greenday had a run of 3 amazing albums in the 90s with Kerplunk, Dookie and Insomniac!!

[@stevenseverson7950]

The bar for what constitutes racism anymore has been lowered so far that it has no meaning.

[@jariemonah]

No time for this Finn. 4.8 magnitude earthquake just hit New Jersey and my paper fell off my desk.

[@adamreinhardt9135]

Loved the take on subconscious bias in the rock and metal scene. I think you’re spot on. Every scene of music is becoming more diverse. I recently put together a Spotify playlist of modern metal/metalcore, and without even trying I found that a surprising numbers of the bands I picked had women and POC in them. And the fan base for rock and metal is becoming increasingly more diverse as well. Which is awesome. Rock n’ roll, punk, and metal are for everyone, not just white dudes.

[@PaballoKobe-xh9ve]

Interesting point but vlack people rarely listen to or make rock. You think youre gonna hear Gunna or lil baby make a full on Slam album. Scenes tend to segregate themselves. Heck black men do not listen to black female rappers as much as they listen to male. ones. Women thoygh tend to be less discerning until a women gets into the scene then they all flock to her

[@BlueBeetle1939]

Bullshit you must not be from the south

[@jbanne001]

Rock was invented primarily from black people in the late 40's dude it was even called "race music" back then...it's metal that a lot of black folks don't initially gravitate to. Well at least metal with screaming.

[@Owlr4ider]

@@jbanne001 Rock being invented by black people? What...?