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0:00 i love the hunchback of notre dame more as an adult than as a child
2:18 introduction
7:30 how the movie takes the subject of racism
25:38 how the movie takes the subject of misogyny
30:39 abelism, and the the problem with disney in general
47:25 notre dame de paris not a children's story

[@BluffsCastle]

Frollo is the scariest Disney villain to me because of how realistic he is. There are no wicked queens with magic powers in real life, but people who think the way Frollo are very real.

[@harriyanna]

and THIS is why i think he's one of the best disney villains.

[@chrisconnors9449]

Eh, Rasputin from Anastasia is up there. Didn’t he kill her whole family?

[@grekoy]

Exactly. In addition Gothel from Tangle is the perfect example of gaslighting. People like her do exist, and there are people out there kidnapping babies and raising them as their own. Which is why Frollo and Gothel are the top two non magical villains from Disney.

[@Ebrill_Owen]

Frollo scares me even more as an adult than he did as a kid, because now I understand his intentions better and his intentions were predatory and evil.

[@littlemisstfc]

@@harriyanna the musical made him even scarier through two things: 1) It made him a priest again, which add another layer to his evilness as we don’t know if he has the chance to change or indulge in the hidden monster underneath his shell. The brilliance is that we believe he’s a semi okay guy at first, but he then become the evil bastard we know by the end. 2) He’s Quasimodo’s biological uncle. It leaves room to interpretation over whether he genuinely cares for our boyo.

[@harriyanna]

this is a gargoyles from the hunchback of notre dame hate account.

[@ohbooyourselves]

😂

[@itsflorence5529]

lol

[@BluffsCastle]

Their scenes clashed so hard with the tone of the movie, if you took them out nothing would change

[@sawyer6264]

Agreed, even as a little kid I hated them

[@spicycherrymilk9058]

Love that

[@alexandriaceballos1938]

Frollo terrified me as a child. Hellfire is one of those songs that stick to me because it shows how messed up he really is when it comes to his hatred/lustful desire for Esmeralda. What’s even more terrifying is the fact there are people like him out in the real world. This movie serves as an example of how Disney was willing to take risk when it comes to dark themes back in the day.

[@Neku628]

Also, as a side note, Frollo was originally the Esmeralda in the beginning of the movie but the book had him being corrupted by Esmeralda into what we see in the Disney film. I tried reading the book, at least one of the versions of it but the language was too confusing and too boring to follow. There is a sequel to the Hunchback of Notre Dome, in it, Esmeralda and her husband have a son named Zephyr. Problem with him is that he's like a clone of his dad, down to his very skin tone. It feels like Disney was erasing biracial kids from it's media or at least not including them as much. There was the trope about the new character pretty much taking the reigns from Quasimoto, even though he's more qualified to be climbing all over the church and bells like Tarzan while she was just the main love interest.

[@Twat_Dirt]

The way Frollo sees Quasi as a monster, simply for his looks reminds me of how some religious people view mental disabilities as something demonic.

[@andiflores4638]

💯💯

[@hassanalkhalaf1115]

Or as something which needs to be cured

[@quasi8180]

Oh yeah I have a learning disability and aneye disability which has caused me to act out before and my grandma never let me forget ir shed constantly reminded me i could never be independent because of it Out there realky hits hard cause even now i still dont know my hometown very well

[@jeninesarah7132]

The fact that he frollo littlerally saw him as a demon for 20 years is even more depressing

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

I'm epileptic. In the days of old I'd have had an exorcism performed on me for demonic possession.

[@fmadiva]

I actually like that Esmeralda didn’t get with Quasi, if they did it would have perpetuated the nice guy syndrome. Too many men see being nice to a woman as a precursor to her being a reward. She treated him like a human and a friend and that was valuable to him, she accepted him and that matters more, he realized that. That mattered more than him wanting her in that way. Him overcoming his abusive parent’s control and being accepted by society was more important than dating Esmeralda and I feel like that’s way more of a good lesson to teach boys who look like Quasi. I think it showed romance doesn’t equal validation. Plus Phoebus and Esmeralda were flirting the whole time, the chemistry was there imo lol Anyway I love that this video just came out cause I was just obsessing over this movie again and you uploading this was such good timing 💜💜💜💜💜 I love how deep you dug into the politics of Hunchback of Notre Dame

[@cas869]

as a romani person thank you for not saying the g slur i was genuinely so worried that you would because most people do when talking about this movie 😭

[@mgoblueapk]

Gypsy

[@user-ooop]

​@@mgoblueapk 🫠

[@stevenkollin4409]

I feel like Disney should release the gargoyle free edit of hunchback since they add nothing to the story

[@stupidass69420]

Exactly

[@izzydog111]

Honestly, I think that was just to try and make it seem family friendly

[@asurazcation1167]

thats why the stage musical is the best version of hunchback. they cut a guy like you, which is a blessing

[@Greenbeehivve]

Maybe try the musical? From what I remember the gargoyles aren’t that involved that much.

[@littlemisstfc]

There actually was a gargoyle free edit of the movie on KZbin by a fan. However, it’s currently taken down. :(

[@GraveyardMaiden]

relating to your story of a man threatening to shoot you. I'll tell you how comfortable men are with threatening women with violence when they don't get their way is horrifying, like I sell alcohol at my job and the ammount of men who threaten to beat me, shoot me and kill my family just cause I told them they can't buy beer with out an id is shocking. And I'm not even black so I can't imagine what other shit these people will treat on top of that

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

it's really hard to not be misandrist tbh

[@Greenbeehivve]

Tbh this movie was probably an example of “I was too young to understand what they meant but looking back at It as an adult I knew what they actually meant”

[@Skarletkombat]

I honestly feel like Esmeralda also didn’t like Quasimodo because she viewed him in a more platonic or familiar type of way. A lot of Phoebus/Esmeralda interactions are very flirty.

[@HALOSnHORNS]

Yeah also I think it's the first movie I saw where the girl didn't fall for the Mc just cause. She still loved and cared about Quasimodo but just not romantically.

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

Frollo saw Esmeralda as beneath him while Quasimodo saw her as above him. Phoebus just saw her as an equal.

[@Deadpool4president]

The most slept on Disney movie. Whenever I see people say "worst Disney villain (compliment)" about anyone other than Frollo it's like, my dude- this man attempted an ethnic "cleansing", killed a woman, abused her son, tried forcing a woman to marry him and then tried to kill her when she refused, ALL WHILE ORCHESTRATING GENOCIDE

[@Deadpool4president]

He has the highest kill count of all Disney villains, and he abused a kid

[@kitkat_bab1881]

You gotta watch the Theatre production, the gargoyles act as a choirs and not annoying comic relief, and the tone is so much darker. There’s a bootleg on KZbin

[@izzyc127]

That production is so underrated yet beautiful. Patrick Page and Ciara Renee both give wonderful yet haunting performances as Frollo and Esmeralda. That production should have gone to broadway instead of Frozen.

[@Quackervoltz]

@@izzyc127 I also like the new ending, considering that it fits more thematically

[@samanthacollom1379]

@@izzyc127 no but like actually. It's such a masterpiece and I heard the guy who wrote the music for wicked helped write some of the mob songs in the theatre production which explains why it's so good

[@littlemisstfc]

As a person who’s been fetishized since I am a POC and who’s been bullied as a kid for being disabled, this movie resonated with me as I grew older. Hell…Esmeralda was the first time I ever get to see someone like me on screen. Even with all the legitimate flaws in this movie, it’s one of those films that should be respected for what it manages to accomplish even when a majority dismiss it at the time of its release. As a wise Quasimodo himself said: the only thing dark and cruel about the world are the people like Frollo.

[@R1N2R34L1TY]

I'm so sorry but I don't know what a POC is-

[@lavender_rose9055]

What does POC stand for?

[@lavender_rose9055]

Terrible to hear that, hope things are better

[@amdete8254]

@@R1N2R34L1TY person of color

[@amdete8254]

@@lavender_rose9055 person of color

[@christopheredwards788]

Great video. Frollo is terrifying. Because he's realistic. No magic or powers just himself. His attitude and everything. They are people like that in the world since the beginning of human existence.

[@HALOSnHORNS]

Yes he's terrifying because his power is not in magic but in the policies and plans he has for the people. No ice or fire just who's God's people and who isn't.

[@shelisadaniel6718]

Exactly, egotism, arrogance, and an attitude of superiority have done far more damage to the world than magic ever has.

[@ShyasShadow]

The whole thing about man fetishsizing girl of color being is definitely follo's character. Im not kidding when I tell you thier where people in the fanbase who literally used to fangirl over him on tumblr and there's even people who ship him and esmerelda. Trust me i seen the fanarts. 🤢

[@valiw5118]

Wtf. How. I’m not even joking I’ve added fr*ll* to my vocabulary, under the section “bad words I will probably never use”. His face makes me nauseous lol

[@blush3790]

I’m white myself but this is sum white nonsense if I’ve ever heard it 🤢 im so sorry u had to see that

[@HALOSnHORNS]

You know in a alternate reality he does win, and that's scary.

[@puzzledillusionist]

omg someone else who saw it too! something that has genuinely haunted me for many years was a tumblr acc dedicated to their thirst for frollo, the fact that it existed and the things they said haunt me to this day!!

[@moonlightprincess449]

Oh god lol

[@goofygoober4026]

I like Frollo as a villain because he's so easy to hate. He's very realistic

[@karinavidal4882]

I have loved this movie as a kid and I was fascinated by it cause it was different from a typical Disney movie and as an adult I love it more. I’m glad people are giving the movie the love it deserves.

[@BleuEri]

I heard Romani people saying that this was better than the original because Esmeralda was a woman of color. Since in the book, Esmeralda was only considered pretty was white.

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

That’s because in the book she’s French girl who was abducted by Romani, but in the movie she actually is Romani.

[@WhirlwindandHeatburst]

Worse, she was stolen away as a baby and switched with Quasimodo I think…

[@lreneewell9154]

Right. I was so confused when I saw Notre Dame De Paris because at the time I didn't know what Esmeralda's racial/ethnic background was, but she was clearly brown so I knew she was a woman of color

[@LovelyTekki]

in my opinion, Tadashi being "gone" is an intentional choice of language rather than trying to dance around the fact that he's dead. Hiro learns throughout the series that Tadashi being dead doesn't erase his existence and impact. The episode "Legacies" expands on this idea, for instance.

[@mirandabee2323]

That makes sense.

[@MsFluffyninja7]

I always headcannon the gargoyles was like a figment of Quasimodo's imagination since he's so lonely and sad. Makes them slightly more bearable.

[@phylasvell]

I do wish the film didn’t use the g slur so much though, like if they ever do a remake, take out the g slur so much, like romani people deserve repsentation and there’s like zero right now in mainstream media (heck marvel erased wanda being romani soooo)

[@izzyc127]

The TV show Titans also erased Dick Grayson/Nightwing’s Romani heritage as well.

[@dennapin0]

Considering the historical context it makes sense that they use that word so often. That’s what they were called then especially in places like France where the citizens were extremely racist towards them. They didn’t see them as “romani” they saw them as traveling criminals and they referred to them as such. I think it’s an important part of the story

[@arabellasterwerf7980]

Agreed!

[@ItsRay0208]

@@dennapin0 true but also maybe not use the slur in the songs, esougod help the outcasts. Just change the lyrics to " to a roma's prayer" its verry weird that the roma charecters call themselves slurs, i get frollo doing it causr he's racist but i don't think the other characters should do it

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

@@ItsRay0208 That’s because back then “gypsies” was what was used to refer to Romani. Yes, it’s not nice, but that’s historical accuracy for you. If “The Hunchback of Norte Dame” was remade then yes, this word should be exchanged for Romani, but back then the world wasn’t pc, and is why language wasn’t sensitive.

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

The reason we don't get villains like Frollo anymore is because people want their villains to be morally gray, complex, and sympathetic who can be redeemed in the end, as good and evil doesn't really exist (they're just following the system they're placed into).

[@naomistarlight6178]

The main problem with that is there are evil people acting as the leaders and driving forces behind evil that exists in the real world, and sometimes they're not all sympathetic. It drives me mad that they wanted a redemption arc for Cruella DeVille with their live action movie, wanted to make her more sympathetic - she's a puppy murderer! She didn't have to become a sympathetic saintly figure! Sometimes it's more fun and funnier if someone is just flat-out evil. Sometimes your villain will fall like a rock into lava and you don't want to feel bad about that; you want to feel good.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

It'd say there's some moral grayness to Frollo, since he is in deep denial that he is at fault or that he's done wrong. That's what happens when you're raised in a deeply religious society that fetishises Sin like Catholicism does. His only defense against his own culturally-ingrained Sin is to blame Esmerelda, because his religion tells him to deny all mortal pleasures and desires. Frollo is both the villain and the victim, had he grown up in a less religiously oppressive time and taken another profession he may have not become a vicious monster.

[@stefannydvorak7919]

In the original book, Frollo is already morally grey. But I disagree that good and evil doesn’t exist. And unfortunately, we’ll never get iconic villains anymore, because Disney is obsessed with making every villain a “good guy, actually”.

[@Isaac-ot6jh]

Honestly I think frollo could still work under that idea as he is a product of a very bigoted society,

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

Unfortunately evil does exist some people are born with no emotion but even so, some of them can still be better for those around them. Nottalking about them, talking about the ones who don't. But at the end of the day no matter how you're born, it's what you do that makes you evil or good

[@tired4873]

There are people like frollo in the real world that's why he's the best villain

[@kordeliiius9821]

Really enjoyed this video, I love watching dissections of older Disney films! Here's a few thoughts: -I actually totally forgot that Quasi's mother was also Rroma, and now that you mention it there could've been other interesting takes on intersectionality in this film -I also like the idea of reusing the talking gargoyle concept for Beauty and the Beast. The Beast's castle already has gargoyles as decorations, why not make them enchanted too? -I actually disagree that Esmeralda didn't fall in love with Quasi because of his looks, I really think it's because some people are better suited as friends and as such will never catch those feelings. And the fact that Quasi accepts her choosing Phoebus is another example of how he's a much better person than Frollo. -Like many people, I'm also kinda sick of Disney's twist villain trend, and I agree that several of them feel lazy. With that said tho, I think King Candy was an alright first attempt; I at least appreciate how the film misleads the audience in different directions before revealing the final twist -I remember seeing video commentary from the heads of Hunchback's production stating that no one really knew how to market it properly, because the end product was so different from what the audience was used to seeing. And to this day, the repercussions of upholding Disney's family-friendly brand and having to self-censor are still felt, like you said. I also remember reading a story about Walt Disney himself, wherein after he watched (edit) To Kill A Mockingbird, he lamented the fact that he'll never make a film like that, because his company's brand became that immovable.

[@BluffsCastle]

I actually watched this movie on Disney Junior in 2013, on their block the Magical World of Disney Junior. It was completely uncensored and I’m not joking.

[@JustEpic_Yt]

Still don’t know how this movie rated G but not a movie like inside out 🤔

[@Eli_the_fiend]

I know there wasn't a PG-13 rating back then but you're right I don't know why they didn't just give the movie a PG rating. 🤔

[@adeer87]

@@Eli_the_fiend They had pg-13 at the time this was made, but I’m thinking it got a G rating because the 90s was much looser with age restrictions than the 2010s.

[@ribbodile6225]

@@Eli_the_fiend Because PG used to be the same thing as PG-13 back then.

[@ribbodile6225]

Also I’m pretty sure it’s because it’s not gory or has Tier 2 curse words in it.

[@MielTheDeerling]

I really don’t like when people say esmeralda should have been with Quasimodo. She didn’t get together with him because of his appearance, but because he and Frollo were two extremes as to how they saw her. Quasimodo saw Esmeralda as an Angel, as Heaven’s light. He put her on a pedestal where she was divine and capable of no wrong. Frollo saw her as a seductress from hell, as a temptation. He saw himself as so much higher than her and used his power to try to force her to be his. Phoebus saw Esmeralda as human. He saw that she was flawed and that while she was capable of great things, it’s also apparent that she’s tired of always fighting. Phoebus saw her as Esmeralda, not an Angel or a temptation. He saw her as a person

[@ariannewingard1660]

Yes, exactly Frollo saw the whore and Quasimodo saw the Madonna.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

Thank you! In tired of the hot girl ugly guy trope too! Just because they are friends doesn’t mean she has to get with him!

[@MielTheDeerling]

@@imthebossmermaid3648 yeah that’s true, though it’s not because of hot girl ugly guy, it’s just because Phoebus actually took the time to get to know her as a person. If Quasi or Frollo did the same and treated her as so, she likely would have wound up with one of them as well

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@@MielTheDeerling That's true but what I meant was that from a meta perspective I hate the trope and that's what this would've turned into if Esmeralda had ended up with Quasimodo, the ugly guy is rewarded with the hot girl for the bare minimum of having treated her well. Tbf, that would have happened if Esmeralda had ended up with Count Frollo too lol. 😅

[@MielTheDeerling]

@@imthebossmermaid3648 absolutely, I hate that that kind of trope just creates incels and “nice guys” who think that just because they’re respecting a person as a human being, that means they deserve them. That’s not how anyone works, relationships need time and effort, you don’t just get a person because you’re not conveniently attractive and you do the bare minimum

[@awesomedude5558]

This is one of very few Disney movies that actually tackles issues instead of adding to them. That's something Disney hasn't really done before or since then. Not that it's flawless. Just that it's less flawed in that way compared to other Disney films. Okay edit: also best Disney villain ever. There's no magic. Just character. He did this out of lust and hate. Not chasing some random youth giving flower or not being the fairest in the land or whatever.

[@catiehughes9478]

My theory is that if the theater production of Hunchback actually made it to Broadway people would understand its message and revolt for how corrupt our society actually is since it isn't too far from how the time period is portrayed in the movie.

[@izzyc127]

That should have been on broadway instead of Frozen. The only reason why it didn’t go in broadway is because paying for the choir would be too “expensive.”

[@jubilantsleep]

This has been my favorite Disney movie since it came out because it didn’t shy away from the themes of racism and predatory desire. I was only 9 when it came out so the latter didn’t hit the way it does now but I definitely noticed the racism and ableism. I love the overall message: _”What makes a monster and what makes a man?”_

[@nitrofairywing1541]

I remember the scene where Frollo literally has an entire musical sequence where he is singing about it his lust for Esmerelda, he is literally rubbing her scarf against himself while rage singing about how much he wants her, and if she doesn't go with him he will essentially unalive her, that is a very significant scene in this movie on how they did the story, like other comments say in this thread, this is a kind of man that exists in real life, he doesn't have magic but he has power, and he uses that power to enact what he views in his mind as just when in reality he is going out and doing abhorrent acts. Frollo in the Disney movie is a terrifying human being who also in the beginning of the movie was going to unalive a literal baby, Quasi as a literal infant by throwing him in a well until the pastor came and stopped him.

[@orrinmenkins2916]

There's actually a fan-edit that completely removes the gargoyles from the movie (or at least all their "alive" parts). I cannot find it on KZbin anymore but I'm sure if you look up "Hunchback no gargoyles edit" you can find it. Then the movie'll probably be perfect for ya.

[@lailamoro9356]

Was I the only one who assumed that Quasimodo was adopted? He has pale skin, red hair, and green eyes. Those are usually found in irish people. In the middle ages people in Europe (but mostly in ireland) thought that if ur baby was deformed it was an evil fairy/troll that switched ur baby for their baby. So maybe the romani found him in the middle of nowhere and adopted him. (I mean, when he was a baby the man/father called him an "it" I dont care how ur child comes out, but u don't call them an "it") or who knows, maybe u r right and he is a white romani. There r white Latinos, so maybe there r white romanis?... Maybe? But that's my perspective and it's been a while since I've seen the film

[@lilenwasnothere6867]

one of his parents might have carried a recessive red hair gene (this was also seen as bad in that time period, i believe), or he was abandoned by his real parents and the woman took him in, but the man didn't want him. there is also the much darker alternative that quasi is the woman's son, but his father was a white man who felt the same way towards her as frollo towards esmeralda. in the musical, his father, frollo's brother jehan, fell in love with a romani sex worker, which frollo disapproved, and quasimodo was born of this union. they both passed away due to sweating sickness, i believe.

[@rotisserie8444]

White Romani? Maybe white passing Romani? Romani people are of Indian descent, they were nomads from india who travelled and settled in Europe. I guess generations of mixing with white Europeans can lead to white Romanis?

[@slashercat8649]

when I was a kid I genuinly did not understand Frollo's motives... i thought he just hated her 😭

[@xbl00dlust]

fun fact: The first time I watched this film was in choir class in middle school. we had to sing a song from this movie so we watched the whole film. It was "Out There" btw. I never noticed until you pointed thatt at Esmeralda is a woman of color! it felt odd that such a realistic Disney villain was in this movie.

[@millieboon]

I also love Anna’s cover of hellfire and Esmeralda is definitely my favourite And very interesting but wish we got a bit more back story on her and in the novel there are different versions such as one where Esmeralda and Quasimodo were switched when they were babies

[@quasi8180]

Anna's hellfire cover isFire pun intended

[@naomistarlight6178]

Frollo trying to force Phoebus to burn a house with people in it was a scene that left a big impression on me as a kid. It's sad to think about how often that kind of thing really did happen.

[@michellecrocker2485]

In addition to the corruption of the Catholic Church and the manipulation of Quasimodo, it’s important to point out the fact that Frollo wasn’t just racist towards the Gypsies but very much of the misogynistic attitude that Frollo believed that because he wanted Esmeralda, he deserved her not because he had any respect for her mind or courage but because he thought he would be able to break her of that spirit.

[@cecelialenore5576]

Frollo and Guston are the scariets because they represent real men

[@naomistarlight6178]

I feel like no other Disney movie has as much overt religion in it, which makes it edgier and cooler to me. In Encanto, it kind of felt like a weird Latin American family that they didn't have saint candles, they mention churches but never show the family participating in church services, and nobody wears a cross though if they wanted to be 100% culturally authentic, Catholicism should play a big role in the life of a traditional Colombian family. And they have no indication in the movie that the family is non-religious for any specified reason. It's just swept under the rug, so it's a world where we have prayer and miraculous candles, but you're not supposed to think too hard about where miracles come from.

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

I find that cool as well. I wonder why Encanto wasn’t religious as much as well, but then again, I think it was because they relied more on the miracle’s blessings than the religious blessings? Idk I may be wrong though. Or maybe they just didn’t have enough time in the movie to show it. And I do wonder where the magic comes from.

[@TimeFrost]

The gargoyles were the only reason my brother and I didn't want to watch it, from trailers. I just watched 2 years ago for the music and yea, I enjoyed it a ton!

[@Aries_Superstar_Army]

I used to watch this movie on VHS 📼 when I was about 5 years old and I even dressed up as Esmeralda for Halloween twice. As I grew up I understood the concept of the story which is scary for a family film.

[@mycrazydollyworld6203]

I heard the G word was a racist slur so thank you for correcting us Because I did not know what referred to Esmeralda as(Love your videos by the way)

[@naomistarlight6178]

I have relatives who are white and call themselves that, referring to a nomadic lifestyle. According to Academia they'd be called "Irish travellers" but they never use that name. They refer to themselves as the "g word". There are more perspectives than "this is always a slur in any context", which is the perspective I frequently encounter online but irl they call themselves that so idk what to think.

[@keithkoganeislife3144]

Trust me, saying the word Gypsy will be the least offensive thing you’ll say to them when you come in contact with a group of them and they start to harass you and try to pickpocket you. They have yelled at me, threatened me, destroyed property of my family, harassed me, my family, and my friends, and have tried to rob me multiple times.

[@chocolatecream5593]

@@naomistarlight6178 well black people still call themselves the n word so think about it like that

[@jasminlovesbagels5166]

i noticed that during that Hellfire, Frollo says indirectly ('choose me or your pyre' and calling her a siren) that he was attracted to her and i believe that he mistreated her because he was trying to repress his feelings for her but because she was Romani he couldn't love her so he took his anger out on her

[@protostarlux]

gargoyles: *said to ward off evil* gargoyles in hunchback when frollo comes around: 🗿🗿🗿

[@undertaker9991]

I kinda knew that this movie dealt with more mature themes even as a kid.

[@littleamberamethyst]

The Hunchback of Notre Dame is in my top three Disney movies. I loved it when it first came out when I was a kid and I still love it now. Esmeralda is still my favorite Disney character. The beautiful music (God Help the Outcasts is my favorite Disney song to this day), the gorgeous scenery, the gothic atmosphere, phenomenal animation, I love it all. Frollo, in my opinion, is the best and scariest Disney villain due to the fact he is the most realistic, and people like him have existed throughout history. Yet even though he's wicked, hurting thousands of innocent people, he honestly believes he is doing what's right in his mind, which makes him even scarier. Hellfire is, in my opinion, the best Disney villain song. The fact that he views Esmeralda as beneath him, but is still obsessed with her as an object to possess makes him disgusting (the hair sniffing scene 🤮). I like that this movie didn't hold back with the atrocities Frollo committed, as well as the regular people (as seen when they torture Quasimodo simply for being conventionally ugly, or that woman making a racist comment towards Esmeralda when she's first introduced). It shows the worst, but also the best of humanity such as when Esmeralda stands up for Quasimodo, Phoebus refusing to burn an innocent family, and the Arch Deacon puts Frollo in his place on more than one occasion. On that note, I like that the Arch Deacon is included to show the loving side of the faith, which foils with the hypocrisy that is Frollo. As you mentioned, this movie (aside from the gargoyles) is definitely the most mature animated film Disney has made. While on the gargoyles, I can see their reason for existing to show Quasimodo has given imaginary life to a few stone creatures in order to help him during his hours of isolation. However, they have far too much screen time, that awful song, and for the most part fail as comic relief. Seriously, the running gag with Achilles is funnier than anything the gargoyles do. I think it would've worked better had it shown Quasimodo talking to the gargoyles as inanimate objects that don't respond back to better illustrate the tragedy of living in isolation, similar to the vein of Wilson in Castaway. In all it's an amazing movie, one of the best Disney has made. The fact that it wasn't afraid to tackle all these dark subjects (racism, sexism, ableism, corruption of government and religious power) is what made it stand out. It's probably not going to happen, but I would like to see Disney attempt another movie with serious and mature themes like this again.

[@theskittleman8215]

I feel like the hunchback of notre dame is one of the scariest disney movies purely because it's the first time that disney acknowledged the struggles of POC, the disabled, and women.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

While representation can be spotty, Disney really rackled heavy issues in Mulan, Hunchback, and Pocahontas. I think overall, the themes of war, racism, and genocide were executed in an amazing way.

[@diansc7322]

Pocahontas was kinda insensitive

[@silvergust]

I think the general message of Pocahontas is strong and deep, but what makes the movie questionable to me is it's historical inaccuracies and representation of john smith and pocahontas herself especially

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

4:46 I mean Disney changing Esmeralda into an actual Roma girl instead of having her be a white girl kidnapped and then raised by Romani folk has to count for **something**. Cuz the OG was… the worst. But Disney still has their problems with Esmeralda’s characterization.

[@colette5413]

my mom said this wasn’t a kid movie so i never saw it. fast forward to middle school and my english teach assigned both the hunchback of notre dame and les miserables for us to read. used spark notes the whole time because absolutely not.

[@Shanspeare]

Not the gargoyles 😭

[@PixieoftheWood]

One thing that gets me about how quickly people turned on Will Smith is that when you see things happen where white people behave inappropriately, like the *multiple* accounts of Ezra Miller engaging in assault with little to no provocation. This is much more concerning behavior, and yet there was no massive outrage against him. *Eventually* after *multiple* instances of this behavior studios decided they won't be casting him in future films because he's too hard to work with, but it feels like with people of color there's one chance and if there's anything that makes people see them in a less than wholesome light (even if it's not their fault), that's it. With white actors it seems like they just go 'oh, well we all strangle women in back alleys sometimes! We'll give you another shot!'

[@Twat_Dirt]

Maybe it's because Will is a more well-known celebrity

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

I didn’t even know who Ezra Miller was before the controversy surrounding him started, dude. Will smith is much more famous

[@ellietheunicorn7706]

I’d agree! It happens a lot with women as well. Like Amber heard had her career destroyed after her trial with Johnny Depp but there are lots of celebrity men who are literally pedophiles that nobody seems to care about. Amber is terrible but men are immediately forgiven. It should go both ways. Hollywood is fucked up :\

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I don't know who EM is, but if I saw him do what Will Smith did I'd denounce him in a heartbeat.

[@MissCaraMint]

Really? I’ve heard a lot of complaints about Ezra.

[@michellecrocker2485]

I thought the movie was unique because of how heavy it was in comparison to other Disney movies. How many kids do you think got sent to the principals office for singing “Hell Fire”?

[@roomfullofrocks275]

I like what they were trying to do with Esmeralda and Phoebus’ relationship, teaching that it’s better or be supportive of those you care about rather than try to come between your friends happiness over your jealousy. I just wish the relationship was more flushed out before it was revealed

[@bobatealily]

I read on TV Tropes that the most popular ship in the Disney fandom regarding Hunchback of Notre Dame is Esmeralda x Frollo despite the fact Frollo is a racist, misogynistic creeper with a holier than thou attitude....and I find that very disturbing and concerning.

[@jazzminewalker9628]

So, per usual, the video was very entertaining and enlightening. While it has been awhile since I've seen The Hunchback of Notre Dame, I couldn't help but think about Quasi's mental state during the video. Essentially, before the movie ends, only a handful of people know and willingly interact with Quasi. It's surprising that he even turned out as kind as he did, but I do believe that could have affected his mental health, e.g. the gargoyles. There's not too much proof that they were sentient beings. He was the only one to see them and the birds, but can we really trust his psyche after being isolated for so long with no true affection. They were a source of comfort and familiarity that probably kept him sane enough to make it to adulthood. Although they didn't fit the dreary yet accurate setting, they could have been telling us a lot about our favorite bellringer....but I could be wrong lol

[@theluigifan1]

This was a movie I had on as background noise one night since I was so busy working that night but your takes and explanations have motivated me to give this movie a full watch! Also I’m so sorry that awful work situation happened to you, Harri. Anyone who tries to pretend racism isn’t as big of a problem now or that “things are way better” are really just oblivious or willingly ignorant. Sick of it.

[@audreytheausllyologist502]

I only liked the gargoyles because one of them is played by Jason Alexander (George from Seinfeld)

[@StylusShade]

I always wondered how a judge (just one, no less) could hold so much power and influence over the masses. Then the Roe v. Wade draft was leaked and now it feels like the story predicted the future. Let's hope it follows through to the end, if you know what I'm getting at. *sinister grin*

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Too many damn Frollos. He reminds me also of Kenneth Starr and Linda Tripp in ACS Impeachment, like Starr had his side chick and he was trying to jail Monica Lewinsky to make an example to Bill Clinton? (Bill's bitch ass gets smoke from me too). And Linda Tripp, who is hating on but uses and lives vicariously through Monica.

[@92JazzQueen]

Says the people who ignore that the judges are getting death threats.

[@biomistflorist658]

well frollo in the book is like a high ranking bishop. and he was the same in the movie until the Catholic Church caused a stink cuz you never heard a priest being predatory right??? Also some guards called him Minister which I believe that some church leaders are called as well.

[@Quackervoltz]

We should throw more shitty politicians off of castles tbh

[@shelisadaniel6718]

@@biomistflorist658 He is the Minister of Justice in the movie.

[@InWinds]

So, I don't think it's that men want a challenge, it's just that in these circumstances they can't handle a "no." It makes them angry, and they feel they have to go through with that anger somehow in order to get what they want, or alternatively to get revenge. They don't want a challenge they just want control, and it hurts their ego when that control is taken away. Also I don't think women who fit shitty men's needs should be seeked out by those men either because those men are just gonna take advantage. Those men need to learn and improve themselves instead.

[@Twat_Dirt]

I don't feel bad for the pick-me’s who willingly date misogynist men like that.

[@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254]

Any thoughts on the theory that Esmeralda fell for Phoebus because he didn't see her as a seductress (Frollo) or a Saint (Quasi), but as a person. There was this comic series in DeviantArt set in a High School AU where Quasi and Rapunzel are brother and sister being raised (and kidnapped) by abusive parents Frollo and Gothel.

[@MissCaraMint]

I mean the first real interaction they have they are fighting on fairly equal terms, and also bantering. Seems logical that of any of the three he would be the most likely to see her as an equal.

[@michellecrocker2485]

I saw a HBO documentary about that tragedy. Such sweet girls and they were innocent. Whoever did it was cold, cruel and evil

[@user-kv4ni8fz5w]

Hold on. They DID say the word "dead" in big hero six. And i remember it because i was a bit taken aback by it. When baymax first activates in Hiro's room he eventually asks where Tadashi is, and Hiro deadass says "he is dead baymax" baymax even questions how is that possible if he was young and healthy. There is a small pause and i was expecting hiro to "suggest" something to baymax and just move on or to just ignore him but nope. He just lays it on him.

[@ToruKun1]

The gargoyles were supposed to be Quasimodo's imaginary friends (hence why they're regular statues whenever other people are around them), but the movie was super weird and inconsistent about it (Djali can somehow see them come to life??) but if they stayed statues for the rest of the movie after they tell Quasimodo "We're only made of stone, we just thought you'd be made of something stronger" and didn't help him defend Notre Dame from Frollo's soldiers (seriously WTF), they would've been fine.

[@siionach]

esmerelda's outfit is still. ick. because she's romani, but i'm glad we're keeping the g-word out!

[@jubilantsleep]

As for the Gargoyles, there was no magic. They were in Quasimodo’s head. He invented them because he had no friends. 😢That’s why they look like normal statues when other people see them.

[@marniemoon1740]

The gargoyles are so annoying their song is legit the only one I can’t remember the lyrics and melody off the top of my head (I think it’s just repressed 😬)

[@devontamosley4487]

I love The Hunchback of Notre Dame. I agree with you, @harriyannahook about the gargoyles. Even as a kid, I was annoyed by them.

[@Neku628]

15:59 I am sorry that you got threatened. Whatever the context, he shouldn't have done that and his wife shouldn't have had to apologize on his behalf. He should have! I hope his wife called his ass out! 36:46 Tarzan was the end of the Disney Renaissance. 39:32 The Gargoyles felt more like someone really wanted to insert the Three Stooges into a Disney movie. 41:19 The show also excused Andi's mom being away as her being her older sister. 49:55 Hell, Disney made another movie from France, "The Three Musketeers", which was written by a black guy.

[@StrawberryCocoaPowder]

Coincidentally I was just watching this movie XD Frollo is my favorite Disney villain, he's horrifying

[@gocelotspice5766]

Excellent video! This is a really complex Disney movie and I’m always surprised that it’s not talked about as much as I think it should be. Also I know this isn’t really related but it made me happy to see that amphibia clip in the intro always love seeing it in the wild

[@pdpUU]

There’s so many early Disney movies where the parent dies 😬 but ppl weren’t complaining until the movie about discrimination came out. Typical.

[@bardishcryptid]

I heard that they started doing dead parents because it would be more relatable for people who lost parents in the world wars, but I don’t have anything to back it up so take it with a grain of salt. But yeah, the dead parents went on for far too long.

[@Turquerina]

This is a really good video! Glad to see the points about The Hunchback of Notre-Dame being well-deserved, you ought to be proud of yourself! Side note, but Esmeralda's song "God Help The Outcast" is my favorite of the movie's, gosh I love the way it's sung. I'm an alto, so it's also easy on the voice, too~

[@mastertofu]

I didn't realise the racism in Hunchback of Notre Dame because I didn't know the g-word is a slur used for Romani people and thought it was a religion, not a race XD

[@rotisserie8444]

It’s not a race it’s an ethnic group. Romani people are of Indian descent, they’re nomadic people who travelled to Europe from india. The reason the g slur came to be from my knowledge is because Europeans thought romani came from Egypt, and started calling they that.

[@lewa3910]

Honestly this movie is one of the few (maybe only) disney adaptions thats better than the source material (minus the gargoyles, i don't even mind them, but wish they were more subdued, and leaned into the idea that they were either imaginary, or would only reveal themselves to Quasinodo)

[@a.c.6640]

i can't wait to hear you talk about hunchback of notre dame!

[@blj1523]

Love this analysis. Thank you for sharing all these ideas

[@natsmith303]

This is one of my favorite Disney movies, for many of the reasons you explained! I sing, "Out There" to myself fairly often, as well as, "God Help The Outcasts" (G-word notwithstanding).

[@othelliusmaximus]

I ain't seen this movie in a minute. Finna give it a rewatch.

[@leadvendor]

Yes! Thank you SO much for this video!

[@rachelmartin5102]

I haven't watched this movie it a minute, so I didn't know all of the issues in the movie but I always love watching it on freeform, lol. Disney should make more movies like this. Love your video ❤️❤️

[@Yupthatsme_7D]

Omfg I'm so excited for this one!!!!

[@wendys_lemonade2459]

thank you for this video!! your content is always incredible and super informative.

[@Tinybeequeen]

The gargoyles made no sense tonally with the rest of the film, and they were such a forced way to attempt comic relief. Also yes, the worst thing was that they were beyond annoying 😩😭😭😭

[@makaylahall2664]

40:59 I've actually seen Mulan air on disney Jr and they didn't censor the blood but then again that was back in 2015 so it might be different now. It's really dissapointing studios feel the need to censor their work to please parents. I've watched movies like the secret of nymph growing up but never once felt like "I shouldn't be watching this" just because it has mature themes in it. The villian straight up gets stabbed and dies onscreen.

[@SleepingDreamer16]

I love your videos and takes on these subjects, really enjoy hearing the perspectives of other black women. Coincidentally I rewatched the movie 2 weeks ago because I was going on a Disney movie nostalgia binge and upon rewatching, I can agree it was so incredibly underrated. As a child I hated it because it made me uncomfortable and I couldn't articulate why so I never watched it again and even destroyed my DVD cassette of it. Never realized how much of a gem it is (the mere fact that they even made a terrible follow-up sequel that could not hold a candle to the first movie was just disappointing). I also watched some youtube reviews on it as well afterwards and regarding the lack of romance between Quasi and Esmeralda (because I was also pissed off by that), under a reivew video I read a comment that gave an interesting perspective on it: Esmeralda was basically coveted by 3 men - Frollo, Quasi and Phoebus. Frollo was one extreme where he hated/strongly desired/wanted to own Esmeralda and did not see her as a person but a possession. Quasi admired Esmeralda's kindness and good nature and viewed her as infallible simply because she treated him with humanity on the few occasions they met - he essentially placed her on a pedestal and also didn't try to know her as a person. But Phoebus was the only one who regarded Esmeralda as a capable, witty, resourceful and independent woman - out of all of them, he viewed her most as an equal which is why a romance between them felt equally yoked. Honestly, when looking at it like that, I'm actually glad they didn't pursue a romance between Quasi and Esmeralda. Anyway, my comment is already super long. Love your videos and sending you lots of love from the Caribbean

[@thatrandomchild707]

Honestly thank you for informing us more about slurs. As a person of color I grew up in an area where people would say a lot of hateful slurs and as a child I never even knew what they were calling me was bad because everyone said those things so normally so when I moved I learned that a lot of the words I grew up with weren’t okay to say regardless if I’m a person of color. I’m literally just learning right now how to properly refer to Romani people and I use to think that it was an okay word to use. I feel very lucky to have watched your videos and to have been educated by you

[@Tolkien5045]

This is honestly such a good channel, like damn

[@whiteasparagus4331]

This movie unironically dealt with racism better than Pocahontas did

[@cyankelly1592]

I'm glad you like your gap and that you won't let turds get you down. Good for you. Sometimes it's hard to be confident about yourself especially when people tear you down. Stay resilient, you are beautiful, and amazing.

[@brianapereira2694]

I think the gargoyles are ok for part of the film. They show how lonely Quasimodo is, and they blur the line of reality and imagination: are they really alive or is Quasimodo making them up? And then the final battle happens, and while I enjoyed the humor, it does take out that blurring of the two states. I feel like a big theme in the movie is faith, not just religious faith, but also faith in other people. And I thought that blurring worked well with portraying how faith works and who we should have faith in.

[@chriscooper420]

New to your channel, and I've been loving your content!!

[@adrianmarcieckert1367]

I love your videos,your so awesome I love your energy and how your not afraid to speak your opinions it's inspiring.I hope your doing extremely well

[@1kaz1]

This movie made me forever worried of accidentally killing bugs when I put a rock down after picking it up, that stuck with me forever even after not seeing the movie since I was a kid

[@gsy2gsf2vwtsf23fsdtw]

Right now in Modern Disney the only villain as bad as Frollo is Emperor Belos from The Owl House.

[@cheyennewijts8683]

Hm Because I feel like this is missing from the video, as a Sinti woman I would like to point out this movie typically isn't received well within Romani circles. Don't get me wrong, I am happy many people felt seen because of this movie (as mentioned in other comments under this video) and many Romani people do like this movie and are happy to have some representation I guess. However, Disney perpetuates many stereotypes regarding Romani people. For example, the Romani background characters are based on racist caricatures to name one. It always breaks my heart that racism against Romani people does not receive the same attention. For example, if the Princess and the Frog portrayed black background characters similar to the coon figure, Disney never would've recovered from it. Other problems include the over-sexualization of Romani women, the promotion of racial slurs (yes even the good guys and Romani people in the movie use slurs), white-washing Quasimodo, making up accents that aren't true to Romani dialects, a very clear lack of understanding of Romani culture, and honestly many more. The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the character of Esmeralda are in fact not the epitome of anti-racism.

[@bunnychu15]

I hate the Gargoyles too! They take away from the mature tone of this film. Kids can handle more than we think. owo

[@natnuss98]

Greatful for the history lesson included.

[@khole5809]

LETS GO NEW VIDEO!!

[@imjustsaying281]

Can we please get a video about the Little Mermaid? I would love to hear more about your thoughts on the film.