Radeon 780M (Ryzen 7 8700G) - DDR5 6000 vs 6400 vs 7200 vs 7600 vs 8000MHz

[@AncientGameplays]

EDIT: People asking how frequency/timings would scale on a CPU side, you can watch this video I made some months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGauaYWdYtR3rbc Get your V-Color RAM Kits here: v-color.net/ And here we are again! This time testing Several RAM Frequencies with the Ryzen 7 8700G IGPU (Radeon 780M) to see how much performance we can get out of this APU :D

[@meltinsr]

I think new driver update have some performance drop on 7900xtx ?

[@unlimitedslash]

Btw, could we see how the 780M fares with Elden Ring and Monster Hunter World?

[@Tripnode01]

if you can pump water through it i dont put it in my rig lol

[@Splarkszter]

I like SARfield. Good game ;D

[@RobloxianX]

I'm beginning to wonder how DDR5 at 8600 MT/s will preform with this iGPU, I think that's the fastest yet. But I'm not sure. There may be some 8800 MT/s models out there

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

This is exactly what I wanted youtubers to test out. Desktop allows to achieve full speed of these APUs due to faster memories, but no one was using more than DDR5 6400 and then were disappointed that these end up slower than a budget GPU.

[@Splarkszter]

Yeah. The reason is that we don't get past that because of the 1:1 ratio. I agree visibility of this improvement should be done.

[@fesen2]

More dosn't make much sense to be honest, when you go over 6400mhz you gonna end up with a 1000$+ system since 8700G and AM5 mini itx mobos are prices insane.

[@moundercesar3102]

A quality of work that rivals Hardware Unboxed, you are proving the quality of your chanel, and it should be on par with other big youtube chanels, keep up the good work 👍

[@AncientGameplays]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

Frankly I think this channel leaves the one mentioned in the dust in some respects.

[@Rexolaboy]

Bravo Fabio, not even Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed care to dive into APU performance like you have. This video needs to be spread everywhere.

[@johnscaramis2515]

Just one note: 6000 CL38 might sound like the same latency as 8000 CL38, but it isn't. The CL is linked to the clock, basically the number of cycles it takes to get access. These CL values are more or less meaningless for themselves, it would be better to compare the actual latencies in nanoseconds. For some who might be confused a simple example: 4000 CL40 has the same latency in ns as 8000 CL80 The 6000 CL38 has a CAS latency of 12.67ns, whereas the 8000 CL38 has a CL of 9.5ns

[@heinzletzte.6385]

Thank you, these are the numbers everyone is interested in but no one but you was willing to put the work in.

[@edgartheface]

24 is the year, 3 is the month! 😎

[@AncientGameplays]

hehehehe

[@Kavan_Mane]

1 is the revision.... We meet once again my friend

[@edgartheface]

@@Kavan_Maneuntil it becomes a meme by itself!

[@theredpineapple9485]

Love the memes at the start of your videos. Great info as always Fabio.

[@AncientGameplays]

Thank you

[@IPowder4105]

I've been looking for this exact benchmark and i found it nowhere Its amazing that you make these really informative videos

[@AncientGameplays]

Glad I could help!

[@laynemccormic9102]

thank you bro this is so important for apus and no one else is doing it

[@RobloxianX]

thank you! Ive always wanted to make a mini itx gpu-less PC. This helped alot when I bought my RAM

[@MirelRC]

Nice video. I hope the next APUs will feature some kind of game cache.

[@jannegrey593]

I know you know this, but for folks who might not - DDR5 6000, 6400, 7200, 7600 and 8000 is in MegaTransfers per second (MT/s). People often use MHz here, because indeed it is directly tied to frequency, but if you go into BIOS and after applying DDR5 6000 profile you see that your RAM goes "only" to 3000 MHz - Don't Panic! That is how it's supposed to be. Real frequency of DDR is always exactly half of the number of MT/s. Because DDR means "Double Data Rate" - it means that operation (read, write, many other more complex stuff) can happen twice for every "frequency tick". It is important to know that, because timings will often be displayed in such a way (though BIOS-es have differences and they make mistakes as well) that it will be tied to number of "cycles" that are required to wait until next operation can be done. And when you count nanoseconds of latency, you need to know "frequency" not "MT/s". That might be the reason why sometimes calculations are off by 2, 8 or 16 times. You might have forgotten to divide by 2 for frequency or divide/multiply by 8 to go from bytes to bits and vice versa, or both.

[@AncientGameplays]

Yes indeed, even in this video I state that for some seconds haha

[@jannegrey593]

@@AncientGameplays I mean, it's not a big thing, but if someone tries to calculate latencies this comes up the most. Though also some BIOS-es show number of MT/s as "MHz". Pretty much everyone, expert or not make this mistake - I catch myself doing it regularly and in most cases it doesn't matter. Except for people freaking out in CPU-Z 😉or as I said those that calculate latencies.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

No my bios says 6000mhz so youre wrong by default

[@Splarkszter]

Thank you so much for this incredibly amazing info. Now i won't sleep searching how to overclock RAM to the max.

[@AncientGameplays]

Hahahaha, thank you for watching

[@Adaminkton]

This shows why GPD devices with their 7500MHz ram beat other handhelds with the same APU.

[@techwizard9699]

It pleases me so much to see how far iGPU's have come. Gets me really excited for the future of handhelds.

[@AncientGameplays]

indeed

[@andersjjensen]

Probably by the end of the year we will see AMD's "Strix Halo" architecture which has a 256 bit (instead of 128 bit) memory interface. It is LP-DDR5x only, so no desktop variant, even a cut down version, is possible. So we should see about double this performance in handhelds soon enough.

[@Bolo_NZ]

The best benchmarks and tech reviews! The quality data, the humor, voice and accent just...chefs kiss 😍🤩

[@rolandohiebert2144]

Very interesting, thanks for making these niche videos.

[@unlimitedslash]

Thank you for doing the tests everyone should be doing with these iGPU's. Honestly i would like to have a few hundred euros to spare just to build a PC with a 780M just to see how far i could push it.

[@AncientGameplays]

I feel you

[@ghostlyinterceptor7756]

the APU physical limits is at 8600-8800mhz with 2200FCLK(cant run stable at 2400 if high mem clock)

[@DiegoooTech]

This iGpu is monster especially with 8000mhz tweaked. Good job there.

[@catsdofunnythings4046]

Exactly what I searched for that’s worth a subscribe

[@-Noble]

Very nice video, love the effort and digging in to it, especially with the tweaked timings I'd love to see a completely stock 8700g vs highest tuned memory + oc'd 8700g chip as well, to see how much further you could boost performance if they would allow this amount of tweaking in handhelds or laptops, it would be crazy

[@leoariasyt]

A man of his word. Obrigado, Fabio 👍🏽

[@arky9002]

Now a maxed out oc on air on the gpu with this tweaked memory vs a 1650/super would be pretty fascinating!

[@luvingyouu]

all those heavy gpus you have gotten recently and been messing/moving around seems to have made you more muscular 💪

[@jggg31]

Be nice to see this same test using the 7800X3D CPU 🤔

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

@AncientGameplays, Fabio, I'm sure you have this already lined up but, just in case you don't yet, can you please do an episode on the new drivers - 24.3.1? In particular I'm sure many will be interested in the supposed unlock of overclocking for the memory on the 7900 GRE. I've found this to be disappointing personally, since I can only reach around 2376, about a 60 Hz increase on the memory clock. Beyond that they don't seem to be stable at all. I'm wondering if AMD will release updated drivers in the future that address this? Anyway, just a suggestion. Keep up the excellent work you're doing and thank you.

[@AncientGameplays]

Will get it released tomorrow 💪💪

[@ZenAndPsychedelicHealingCenter]

@@AncientGameplays As we say in the UK, you are a scholar and a gentleman Sir. Much appreciated. 😊 As a side note here, I help with a medium sized channel, about 27, 000 subscribers, which is done by my lovely wife and it would be great, when you have some time, if you could come on her show and chat a bit about your enjoyment of computers and technology. I think you'd be a great guest. Valeu por tudo, Fabio.

[@LegionGamingTV]

Hey brother, I just wanted to let you know, that you can manually get your FCLK and UCLK up to 2400mhz with this chip without decoupling the frequencies. I was able to get mine to 2400 FCLK for 7200mhz, and 2467 for 7400mhz. I haven't seen anyone try this on KZbin. I was able to do this on a B650m MSI mortar wifi nothing special. I used 1.4v for ram. I use this chip with my 4070, and haven't tried the APU yet but without being decoupled it should give even more performance. If you have time it would be cool to see if there is any benefit to raising your FCLK that high. Love the channel!!!

[@AncientGameplays]

Both fclk and uclk were at 2200MHz 💪

[@chovekb]

Yes Hynix chips OCd and tuned at 7200-7400 is the optimal for 8000G APUs, not 6400, not even 8000, cause many games like the lower latency, so generally 7200 tuned is the best for these APUs :)

[@makerspersona5456]

@@chovekbcan you post some more info on the 7200 setup? What’s your build and settings? Stable?

[@kerotomas1]

Honestly for Integrated every single FPS matters when your performance is already pretty poor. For example 48 vs 58 fps in Spider Man is a huge difference going from laggy to almost smooth gameplay. Now obviously buying hella expensive 8000mhz kits wouldn't make sense but there is a GSKill Neo 6400/CL32 which is Hynix A-die and it can be manually pushed out to 8000. (My Corsair Dominator Titanium 6400/cl32 is A-die though but more expensive than the G.Skill kit and it's also way easier to find A-die Gskill kits as the part number on the back of the ram stick ends with the chip type.) Great video though.

[@tacoterito22]

Excelent video Rma its the most important thing on cpu demanding games! What motherboard did you use?

[@andersjjensen]

Thanks Fabio! I just bought a laptop with a Ryzen 7840U (which has 780M) on LP-DDR5x 6400Mhz, and was wondering how much I "lost" by not choosing another (much more expensive) vendor for a similar product with 7500MHz. This video gave me the overview I has been looking for.

[@c4nchi]

You can't tweak memory in most of the laptops available just a few of them support memory tweak.

[@andersjjensen]

@@c4nchi I'm perfectly aware. But I was still kinda curious about how much I was leaving on the table by going with 6400 instead of 7500.

[@kompassorpigo7600]

@@c4nchi I thought you can do it in all of them through smokeless.

[@TopNotchPanch]

I think this is a big reason we see less low end ~$200 cards in development because iGPUs will handle that part of the market vs a 1650-4050 now and in the near future

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

Still for those running older cpu and systems, they still might want that rtx 5050 or rx 7400 or rx 8400

[@TopNotchPanch]

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo at what point would these same people begin to be held back by a cpu bottleneck and have to upgrade anyway ? A “5050” would be knocking on a 2080’s door power wise so you are most likely going to bottleneck. Also we’re starting to see these new low tier cards use less and less pcie lanes so these cards would restricted with older cpu/motherboards anyway. At that point the used market is a better solution than a new low end card

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

@@TopNotchPanch that 3770k gave a 12400k a run for its money.

[@TopNotchPanch]

@@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo I seriously doubt that even if they both used pcie gen 3x16 cards

[@Tantakugames]

kinda crazy when you think about how much faster and more stable ddr5 is going to get before this platform is dead, we're gonna have 8700gs going BRRRRRRRRRRR

[@MS2xP]

Belo video Fábio, quando vai sair comparativo do novo driver 24.3.1 ~ 24.2.xx ?

[@AncientGameplays]

Em principio amanhã!

[@hababacon]

I'm looking at DDR 7200, CL34 for my Ryzen Zen 5 build. I won't use IGP, but 7200 DDR 5 gives you a nice mix between high bandwidth and latency at CL34.

[@AncientGameplays]

You'll have to decouple the UCLK which isn't really that great in terms of CPU performance only. Just get a 6400MHz kit and tweak it

[@zodwraith5745]

It's well documented that decoupling your CPU clock and memory clock leads to _decreased_ performance, not improved performance. It may be beneficial in this niche case that's memory starved, but will hurt overall performance everywhere else. Memory speed matters, but it's also important to be in sync with the CPU's memory controller, and we still have no idea if Zen5 will come with an improved memory controller that doesn't slam into a brick wall at 6000mt/s.

[@towinrei]

It's so funny to me how Fabio makes videos on FSR 3.1 and the new iGPUs and AMD is just like "oh yeah let's drop a new driver update" LOL

[@AncientGameplays]

I know right? Let me sleep haha

[@towinrei]

@@AncientGameplays Exactly haha

[@castroeddits]

I know your content is mostly focused on gaming, but can you test if the IGPU helps improve performance in productivity applications like premiere pro, after effects or davinci resolve? and how it compares against an 7700X? I know the Intels APUs have an impact on programs that decode video, but I found anything about the AMD APUs doing the same.

[@AncientGameplays]

Can try

[@hoffyc.h393]

I have the Ryzen 7 5700g CPU at 1.32V 4.5Ghz all cores i think :D paired with 6700XT tho. And actually its Good and very effectively with low voltage in big loads :) so the Ryzen 7 8700g must be a Beast.

[@saminavy7124]

BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!

[@AncientGameplays]

Good

[@AdalbertSchneider_]

not even 5 minutes watched and....... ABSOLUTORIUM !!! 👍👍😎😎

[@AncientGameplays]

haha, thanks!

[@yusufhatake1377]

0:30 Linus is Proud man 😂😂💯🤝

[@GraveUypo]

6400 to 7200 is just a 12% clock increase. i'd say a 6% uplift from just memory clocks seems fair for that amount of extra clock

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Please make a DDR5 8000 tweaked + 8700G vs other budget GPUs like 6500XT, 3050 6gb , A380.

[@christophermullins7163]

It would only make sense to compare it to pcie powered GPUs only imo.

[@AncientGameplays]

You can see this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2Kqc6JugJeAj5I

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@AncientGameplays true but in this video you probably didn't use tweaked memory, did you ?

[@christophermullins7163]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat absolutely sir. Fabio did not include what the ram configuration was(that I remember?) for that video. You could open both videos side by side and compare results on game to game and see the % difference and assume that vs the rx 580 etc and give you an idea. Report back what ram configuration you think that the "vs rx 580" video was using. It'll be a lil game for you. 😜

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

​@@christophermullins7163 before making a fool of yourself, did you go and watch the video ? In the RX 580 vs 780M ddr5 6000 cl 36 was used. I am talking about ddr5 8000 with manually tuned memory timings. I never said that he didn't mention what memory was used. Lmao, you think you I wouldn't bother verifying kid 🤪

[@oxilon9872]

I bought this APU Ryzen 7 8700G and I'll use just the iGPU Radeon 780M + 32GB of RAM 2x16GB at 7200Mhz because of, the motherboard Asrock A620I Lightning WIFI support (7200mhz maximum frequency) the case is a InWin Chopin MAX :)

[@AncientGameplays]

Nice

[@ThatDeadGuy]

10:35 I'd never thought to play League on my fridge.

[@AncientGameplays]

😂😂🤌

[@DS-pk4eh]

Thank you. Great video. I thought 5600 was standard DDR5 speed for AM5. I imagine uplift from that is even better, you get like 20-25% better result. I have only miniPC with 7840HS that can not be really tweaked (BIOS version shows 0.01 ?!! )

[@AncientGameplays]

Noone should be getting 5600MHz nowadays I believe

[@DS-pk4eh]

@@AncientGameplays Too late 🙈

[@PineyJustice]

@@DS-pk4eh no, 6000 has been the standard since launch, I don't think 5600 was ever the recommended speed.

[@fracturedlife1393]

Fighting the urge to get one of these just for memOC shenanigans

[@AncientGameplays]

haha, these are indeed great

[@heinzletzte.6385]

The 7500f has been around for some time, should be the same die.

[@atirta777]

@@heinzletzte.6385 Memory OC is significantly different despite both being Zen 4.

[@heinzletzte.6385]

@@atirta777 whats the difference? binning?

[@atirta777]

@@heinzletzte.6385 Even if the architecture is Zen 4 on both, the whole die design is different. Ryzen 7000 is chiplet, while 8000 is monolithic which means the mem controller and infinity fabric also work very differently. 8000 series design is also meant to support faster lpddr5 for low power devices so that could also help stability at higher frequencies. People are pushing these new chips up to 10000MT/s, while Ryzen 7000 is still stuck at 8000MT/s

[@Atilolzz]

Amazing Benchmarks!

[@neuplop]

Be careful, the "Tweaked" versions are not the same for everyone, if you buy a cheaper kit at lower frequencies you won't be able to tweak it as much. Still stands that you'll match or be better than more expensive without tweaking but something to take in mind.

[@AncientGameplays]

any hynix kit can do these timings. Just saying

[@kaczan3]

Of all the Fabios I know, you look the most Fabio.

[@AncientGameplays]

Hahahaha

[@pranze3484]

So 32GB 7200 C34 for 140€ was pretty good value by the looks of it. Haven't tried to OC it.

[@AncientGameplays]

Indeed it was

[@grtitann7425]

Fabio is back from the dark side and he brought cats😎

[@AncientGameplays]

😂😂

[@DeepteshLovesTECH]

780m is great, but not great enough. It doesn't even have L3 cache like an RX6400 and only has 2MB L2 cache. I don't think the best iGPU will beat the lowest dGPU of same generation.

[@AncientGameplays]

true, I do believe though that in some scenarios the 780M equals the 6400

[@andersjjensen]

Obviously. The problem with iGPUs always is, and always will be, that they share memory bandwidth with the CPU. On a 128bit bus. The 780M is RDNA3 and roughly on par with an RX 470 at default LP-DDR5x 6400 spec. The lowest RNDA3 dGPU is the RX 7600 which is about 2.6x faster.

[@branislavcupurdija5971]

Hello , excellent video , the reason I went with 8700G and 6000mhz , 30CL Expo from Kingston.I set up only Expo profile , I am satisfied with results but I would like to optimize the timings as you did.I am a bit of noob for this but I cannot find how to set/optimize DRAM timings and all other configuration? Is there a separate video for this?Thanks in advance :)

[@cloud3697]

I expected some new info about how to tweak the memory but if it's the same method from previous video then my latency will stay around 60( Well anyway great video❤

[@AncientGameplays]

Yeah, tweaking is basically the same, but higher frequency or more agressive timings

[@Cake_johnso]

6:53 i love sarfield 👍funny typo sounds like garfield

[@nicoyt9481]

Why did you do that ? Why choose unrealistic timings ? Nobody runs 6000@cl38. Why not start with conventional timings, 5600cl36 / 6000cl30 / 6400cl36 ?

[@AncientGameplays]

I explained that in the beginning, but when you skip parts you come to the comment section clueless...

[@ygsm1337]

Hi, just a thought. What if you ran the same exact test, but add in a dedicated GPU. Would the higher freq tweaked memory scale the same? At 1080p of course to test the CPU limit. Sounds like a good test to do since this CPU is seen as "buy this system now and save for a dGPU later" kind of system. Hope you see this, great video nonetheless 👌

[@mauriciob8260]

You're my only channel I choose my decision when buy AMD Product , one more thing 🤔 if this is the same Radeon chip Apu that is present on the mini pc like the MINISFORUM Mini PC UM780 XTX AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS,8C/16T, DDR5 ?

[@AncientGameplays]

I do believe the 7840HS has a 780M yes

[@qunlin7674]

This is incredible.

[@Silent-1983]

Thank You! 🤩

[@gapast3669]

good to know, thanks!

[@AncientGameplays]

Thank you as well for always supporting the channel!

[@BoraHorzaGobuchul]

Problem is, I suspect that having a dgpu is still more value for money since high high speed ddr5 is gotta be pretty expensive. And getting amd to work with high-speed ram is not an easy task, closer to rocket science with a bit of lottery depending on which chips are in your ram.

[@ad3hpt636]

I’m looking at the ram kit you said to get and there are a lot of reviews of people saying that are unstable

[@AncientGameplays]

Nah, that was in the very early days and from people that know absolutely nothing about what they're doing. Happens a lot sadly

[@2losersinbasement]

I won one of these from Linus Tech Tips! To bad I don't need integrated graphics and I'm on AM4 lol. Going to sell it and upgrade my graphics card

[@RAHULACHARY]

iGPUs are always bottlenecked by RAM speed

[@timmyjohns222]

Not really!

[@Alexruja3227]

Is it possible to see such an uplift, or at least close to it, with a Ryzen 7600 or not? I have 32 gb DDR5 6400mhz. Thank you!

[@AncientGameplays]

Nah, this is only iGPU sided, watch this one though: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGauaYWdYtR3rbc

[@Alexruja3227]

@@AncientGameplays I have already seen it but thank you very much!

[@srknbyz]

still waiting for strix point halo (codename sarlak) apu. dunno if it's mobile only or not but 40cu apu sounds crazy af. i hope it comes to desktop too

[@zodwraith5745]

I'm interested in this as well as Lunar Lake. It will be interesting to see how they overcome memory bandwidth issues on such powerful iGPUs. I'd assume they almost HAVE to park some GDDR6 right next to it to fully utilize that many CUs. AFAIK these are only intended for laptops so they have a little more leeway in dictating the motherboard setup. Putting these into a desktop socket would absolutely bottleneck the iGPU _hard_ on memory bandwidth.

[@JohnBraman413]

you have a video showing how to tweak the timing?

[@AncientGameplays]

I do

[@ranjangupta8796]

When are you going to test new drivers 24.3.1 ?

[@AncientGameplays]

Today will release the video

[@patrickjames3321]

Do you have a video to tweak the ram? I have 6000 MHz CL30 and I wouldn’t mind tweaking a bit, I play at 1440p and not all games would benefit but it is fun to try and get some more fps in some games, I have a 7950x and 7900 xtx, I use no upscaling, all native

[@AncientGameplays]

It is shown in this video :D

[@dra6o0n]

Dragon Dogma 2 in 4 hours, so people are going to be really testing that game out to see what exactly really messes up the CPU usage... But I think their game engine is the issue, basically can't handle the heavy workload they ambitiously put on it.

[@jinmail3294]

V-COLOR - I've never heard of the name, so researched about it. It's a Taiwanese company! Yay, not from China^^ I know some people want to avoid political theme, but since China is escalating aggression against Japan and Taiwan since over 10 years and I'm from Japan.

[@AncientGameplays]

V color has its base in taipei yes

[@jinmail3294]

@@AncientGameplays While washing my face yesterday morning I thought to myself, "What if 8700G is paired with faster RAM? WTF! Fabio uploaded a video right now!!?" Sometimes I think you have telepathic abilities^^ You are all the time my most favourite KZbinr along with Marques Brownlee!

[@AncientGameplays]

Thank you very much, maybe I do and I just don't know about it haha@@jinmail3294

[@fazendohistoria_]

Make a DDR5 SK-Hynix guide for AMD pleeeease

[@AncientGameplays]

As explained in this video, I already have the previous one that indicates the buildzoid video on that :D

[@R3TR0J4N]

crazy numbers

[@SirRoundPotato]

I'm waiting for 8800xt. And the benchmarks better feature Warhammer 3! 👿🔪

[@martinkabina]

Hello, what settings was used for 8000MHz tweaked? Hardware used was AM4/DDR4 or AM5/DDR5? Thanks

[@michaellingard5789]

Do you have a guide for tweaking timing on RAM by chance?

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

quite damn though going default 6000mhz to 8000 + optimizing, more than 50% increase, abt same as gtx1650 probably, which is awesome, w less power than 1650 system

[@BelowAmbient]

AM5 IMC is scaling now?? thats great news!

[@SolarianStrike]

Yup, on AM5 it was never a problem with the IMC itself. Just that at launch the 2:1 mode equivalent to Intel Gear 2 just doesn't work. AMD fixed that a few months ago. The APUs can do 8000+ stable much easier than even Intel.

[@FelipeThePIlot]

Can you film a video about micro stuttering? High fps but not smooth etc.? For AMD

[@AncientGameplays]

I talk about that a bit in my 20 tips video

[@kompassorpigo7600]

Can the "tweaking" be done on 7840 laptops?

[@AncientGameplays]

if the bios lets you change timings yes

[@ricardo_Abonado]

Great job

[@UmmerFarooq-wx4yo]

Is that ps5 xbox level of performance with 8000mhz?

[@AncientGameplays]

Nah, not even close

[@Botta928]

hi Fabio, I know it's off-topic, but I have a RX7800XT paired with a R5 5600X, as I am playing at FHD I noticed I am CPU bottlenecked, especcialy in some games like helldivers 2, do you reccomend me to go for the R7 5800X3D, or should I wait until the Ryzen 9000 series? Side note: I found a nice kit of ddr5 2x16gb at 7800mhz cl36, would it be a great pair with the am5 platform? or should I stick with 6000mhz and tight timings? (the difference in price is 10 euros)

[@torradasuprema395]

You should get a 1440p monitor

[@Botta928]

@@torradasuprema395 i don't wanna play 2k 100fps, i prefer fhd 150fps

[@Meyus_]

10:34 did you say "my fridge was able to run.."? Or what did you say there?

[@AncientGameplays]

Exactly what I said haha

[@Meyus_]

@@AncientGameplays Wait so are you playing this on a smart fridge with a Ryzen 7 8700G, why would a smart fridge have that? Or was that a joke I didn't get hehe

[@AncientGameplays]

Of course that was a joke haha@@Meyus_

[@sharky9056]

can you show how to get 8000mhz and how stable it is on your computer?

[@AncientGameplays]

Basically i just enable xmp and raised ram voltage. Done. 100% stable

[@sharky9056]

100% stable is an extremly huge claim with just enabling xmp when most of the time 8000hz needs tweaks, good voltage, fans on ram, cpu lottery and high end motherboard. What is your testing methodology for stable ram? My bet is that you would get errors in 1 minute in karhu ram testing. Running high speed unstable ram just for benchmarks is not genuine since instabilities might ruin some peoples PCs..

[@AncientGameplays]

@@sharky9056 my testing is these games tested, TM5 running for 5 hours without a single error and running these games smoothly. Ram voltage 1.4v, soc at 1.3v. Done

[@sharky9056]

Games are not a good test for ram and TM5 ram test is laughable even on the hardest custom presets... only pi and karhu are good test for exposing errors. Reddit post in ram community incoming with your claims.

[@AncientGameplays]

My friend Karhu sucks (sorry). Used it for several months and had a ram instability in the past due to trusting that same software, the minute I started TM5 with the 1usmus profile I had an issue in the first seconds. Everything I testing with TM5 in the last years, all my systems, are rock stable, so don't come to me telling me that Karhu is better than TM5 and that "games don't stress anything" on the RAM side. I've been there on the same boat as you and I know for a fact that's not true@@sharky9056

[@Sheerwinter]

:| i have a 10100f+gt1030+8gb ddr4 2999... So i ll probably wait for the upcoming apu, which to have strix point igpu. 😅 I am not a laptop guy so, I'm not talking about the 8850hs. I'm talking about the 9700g (speculation) :| i know it's going to take around 2 years for the 9700g to hit the market. Pray for the upcoming glory 😑🙏🐣 (780m is not so good) Also: rdna 3.5 is actually a refresh of rdna 3. We may be able to see a refreshed processors like 8750g (😑🙏 praying for it to come out asap.) 😑🙏 Praying for the upcoming strix halo as well (which has 40cu igpu) Please be cheaper (and be a desktop gpu... Not the laptop) 😑🙏 guys pray.

[@TrueThanny]

You're using MHz incorrectly. DDR5-6000 has a clock speed of 3000MHz.

[@arx117]

You making a mistake Dual channel RAM make it speed 3000Mhz. If it single channel, it will be 6000mhz

[@TrueThanny]

@@arx117 That is not at all how it works, in any way whatsoever.

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@arx117 What does dual channel have to do with RAM speed? Exactly, nothing. DDR5-6000 has 6000 MT/s @3000MHz, due to double data rate (as the name suggests) Dual channel simply means that you have two independent RAM channels.

[@BigMan7o0]

I know this is an apu so its a little different, but i recently had someone argue with me that ryzen doesnt care about ram above like 6000 on ddr5 or 3200 on ddr4, and they even said timings didnt really matter. I wish i couldve pointed them at this video, it felt like trying to teach a brick wall to be a gymnast 😂

[@andersjjensen]

For purely CPU related tasks the sentence has some merit.... for X3D CPUs. Vanilla Zen 4 does benefit a decent amount from tighter timings and higher frequencies. Hardware Unboxed has documented this to hell and back again by now.

[@AncientGameplays]

I have another ddr5 for cpu side with the 7700x

[@claytonroyston4846]

It still doesn't justify the price to performance ratio get zen 3 5700 x with rx 6600 and price to performance beat it

[@AncientGameplays]

vy that order you can get the 8600G that isn't that much slower for €220

[@AJ-po6up]

Can you link me the video for tweaking the RAM please? 😅

[@AncientGameplays]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3XMqmVmmLlkg5o

[@AJ-po6up]

@@AncientGameplays Awesome! Thank you!

[@karlos1060]

I bought for a friend a Ryzen 5 8500g or 8600g with a cheap 620 mobo, 32gb of ddr5 1tb ssd and a new corsair case. Works good. But there is one big glitch. When it fals into hibernation the only way to get out of sleep state is to press the powerbutton. Latest bios version is on. Keyboard and mouse don't react. And since he placed his pc in a cabinet it is very irritating to have this. I hope a future bios update or driver update will solve this issue. It works besides that good and fast. But why something like this again? I really don't get it. AMD and drivers...

[@BlaineST]

You have to update the chipset driver. That should solve the problem. It is a known issue with the previous chipset drivers.

[@karlos1060]

@@BlaineST At the time of using it there was no other chipset driver then the one aviable for this new one. I will tell him that. But it is like this always with AMD. Releasing not finished products...nothing new...but thanks for the reply. That helps!

[@robertthompson7242]

Linus the Poltergeist !!

[@ProtoType4588]

ancientdroptips has been born

[@yissnakklives8866]

This makes me jealous...my Ryzen 6800HX and 7940HS can't use such a fast memory kit (even if they had it in SODIMM) :(

[@AncientGameplays]

Tweak the timings if possible

[@yissnakklives8866]

@@AncientGameplays this is why you should get one of these mini pc's 😃- so you can light the path forward! (the bios n these are odd and limited. i was able to convince my 690s to run the memory at 5200MTeven though they (and AMD) say its only rated for 4800mt - the memory is that crucial variable speed memory 😁

[@wawaweewa9159]

Show these tweaked results against the best budget build at same cost

[@AncientGameplays]

I did a thing close to that versus the rx 580

[@wawaweewa9159]

was that one with the 2 tweaked ram configs shown here? @@AncientGameplays

[@olekristianrannekleiv762]

Does higer ram speed increase the APU's temperature?

[@AncientGameplays]

Not really, not unless the FPS difference is so big that the CPU needs to work way more and temps would raise, but generally no difference

[@PokeStoryHarry]

Is there no difference for X3D cpu?

[@AncientGameplays]

This is iGPU sidd

[@PokeStoryHarry]

I see clear difference for iGPU, but I don't know if it's same for X3D @@AncientGameplays

[@johnscaramis2515]

Not fully sure about the 7000 series, but for 5800X3D higher clocked RAM did not make that much difference. Simply because with the huge chunk of local L3 cache, less transfers to RAM were necessary. And the iGPU in the 7000 series CPUs is more or less a basic display adapter, it's too slow anyways.

[@PokeStoryHarry]

@@johnscaramis2515 prob depends on games

[@johnscaramis2515]

@@PokeStoryHarry There are always differences depending on the engine. However if you are playing a game that is depending on RAM speed, it most likely does not benefit from the additional CPU cache (or to a limited extent). CPU frequency could also be a factor. That's why channels like this one or HUB are important, they check for such differences.