David Seymour on which race-based policies he’d like to change | 30 with Guyon Espiner Ep.3 | RNZ

ACT leader David Seymour tells Guyon Espiner how it feels being part of Christopher Luxon’s coalition Government and what race-based policies he’d like to change. Plus, can we really afford tax cuts? Watch 30 with Guyon Espiner every Wednesday at 3pm. | Subscribe @RNZVideo

[@billkeidan270]

Actually, David speaks a lot of sense despite the hostile questioning!

[@ala-hc4rx]

Amazing to see rnz allowing comments.will respect them for this.

[@holo69]

@kahouli2496 and it's so good to see it returning!

[@jJustPlayingNZ]

Totally agree. Very frustrating when citizens watch political news on New Zealand news KZbin channels and find comments turned off.

[@logicalanswer3529]

They are usually turned off on the channels that attempt to push a racist victimhood mentality like Newshub. Look how that turned out for them.

[@deryckhunt7086]

About time.

[@suenicholas4510]

You tell him, David..!! 👏👏👏 Espiner believes he's important in his own lunchtime..!! He's a joke....he could learn from David..!!

[@titahibayflier3160]

I'm half Scottish but that doesn't mean i have to jump and dance around like i'm on the set of Braveheart - David Seymour 2024

[@mitchelldenysschen3224]

😂

[@titiwhai]

My ancestors came from the Shetlands. Would a cow horn helmet be appropriate?

[@Duckz558]

Same doesn’t mean my heart their never been there for me and others I’d say low acknowledgment on their behalf when they knowingly knew

[@kerryobrien71]

Espiner please take a chill pill and listen to the response. You twist what was said or flat out get the issue totally wrong. I have no love for politicians but can you please not scream your bias. You did not have the same disrespect for labour. As a reporter you have to maintain neutrality regardless of your own political beliefs.

[@gumbooter5562]

Used to respect Espiner but he's no Kim Hill.

[@kerryobrien71]

@@gumbooter5562 agree

[@Dickgoodbody]

Exactly, we've just seen the ponsonby murder by killer beez maori member... plus the maori guy who elbowed the 80 year old women in the face, 2 hardcore brutal crimes within the same week, Espiner says pakeha are doing the same crimes but not getting the same sentences, couldn't be further from the truth, the optics shows us the reality of who's actually committing the worst crimes, guess who it aint?

[@spazmosisdomesticus]

Espiner is condescending. Seymour is showing patience with Espiner .

[@kimshaw-williams]

@@spazmosisdomesticus All you people have fallen for Seymour's smirking spin-doctor wiles. Guy actually managed to get some sense out of him...a rare event...also wiped the smirk off his face.

[@davidcotton4884]

David just gets better and better the more I hear him - well done David

[@food4thort]

Exactly! Not everyone of Maori descent (like me!) is on the Maori roll. Not everyone of Maori descent supports the Maori Party. Not everyone of Maori descent supports race-based institutions. And the elephant in the kitchen on Maori crime statistics - maybe there are more Maori in prison because they proportionally commit more crime. Espiner tries to put a different spin on these realities but he loses when he lets Seymour speak.

[@hailzreignmanga]

Maori isn't a race it is an ethnicity a culture. Any other place in the world we would be praised for trying to preserve that except nz because there is only one race 😂 the honkie race

[@benitius3892]

Facts cuz

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

You’re a classic example of who Paulo Freire recognises as those who manifest the following:- “In the absence of liberation the colonised seek to become like their coloniser.”

[@food4thort]

@@1Ma9iN8tive I am fully aware of how my British ancestors, notwithstanding the Treaty of Waitangi, set about stealing the land of my Waikato Maori ancestors - particularly through the lies and deceit of Governor George Grey. However, I also recognize the innumerable benefits that the British (and others since) brought to this country. Tribal Maori prior to 1840 was anything but idyllic - the likes of Te Rauparaha (for example) were just as reprehensible as the British. On balance I believe the system of government and law we now have is superior to what Maori practised prior to 1840.

[@1Ma9iN8tive]

@@food4thort - your comments demonstrate a classic level of educational lack on many aspects of both British Imperialism and Te Rauparaha’s history - you’ve created a false equivalence comparing the two and that’s a direct result of your employment of “presentism” in your poorly constructed comparisons. You have only served to demonstrate how colonised your thinking is. You have significant level of dunning burger syndrome - you need to do better.

[@mikelowry111]

Best way forward for the media platform to look like. What we record is what you get !!

[@humanwithaplaylist]

Unlearn right wing propaganda kzbin.info/aero/PLDGgx5xDVBylwy4F1ftFr5uvgjPOIjOaN

[@markreynolds1112]

exactly

[@markreynolds1112]

this piece of media reminds me of the type of political shows i grew up watching objective and insightful

[@hamcheeselettucemayosandwich]

100%. Wouldnt cost much to produce either. RNZ is doing well in new media

[@kerryobrien71]

this is sarcasm right

[@normportman9038]

Hardly objective , Seymour was reasoned , clear and logical . Espiner was constantly trying to trap him and put words in his mouth . Look at the number of times Espiner summed up Seymour's answers with a statement saying something like " so your saying the preferential or race based entry into Med school should be scrapped " very poor journalism , and basically a return to the last 6 years of a spin doctor media being left wing puppets , come in Jessica & Tova .

[@adsdft585]

Current tax rules encourage property investment in land rather than productive sector.

[@howstupidcanyoube100]

Why would I invest in the NZX if I can buy my neighbours house, using the equity in my own house, rent it back to them for 25 years for the cost of the mortgage and for a minor maintenance fee get to sell that property in 25 years for 1.5million. Minimal risk. Maximum return. Zero benefit to the economy or society.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

Nope, that's not true.

[@RadzMexicano]

@@kiwiyogi2846 Would you like to expand on WHY that's not true or should we just take your statement at face value?

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@RadzMexicano Why don't you ask the same to @adsdft585?????

[@liberatetheslack]

​@@kiwiyogi2846yeah go on Yogi, enlighten us.

[@Cathz-jy7ee]

$10 to $20 per week???!!! It doesn't even start to redress that local government ( Councils) are increasing rates 14% or so annually !!!

[@chrisallum9044]

Instead of complaining it's not enough how about you recognize you are already becoming better off than you were under the last government. Local government is local, vote local for that. Your area spent money they didnt have and now the bill has come due. Nothing to do with the current central government.

[@shweeb]

@@chrisallum9044 way to recognise that the return the majority of people will recieve will barely last due to the removal of other subsidies like public transport and pharmacy fees. to say so confidently that we are becoming better off under this government is simply disinformed or intentionally misguided.

[@thrasher10000]

That's like $960 per year, not insignificant for most people

[@hubristicmystic]

@@shweeb Mate, if you love state funded socialist "subsidies" go live in a socialist paradise like Venezuela or Cuba. Added benefit is you'll lose lots of weight.

[@dswee3005]

​@@chrisallum9044how are you better off when you have higher bills to pay and almost the same amount of money to pay them ? 1+1=3 according to you

[@ThereIsNoSubstitute]

I have to say after watching this clip, I now have more respect for David Seymour. Stay strong David. The country needs you !

[@jons387]

That was a grating interview. All Guyon was tryin to do was to get David to hesitate or stumble on those loaded questions so he could pounch.. All it did is make Guyon look stupid

[@logicalanswer3529]

100% correct.

[@suenicholas4510]

Agreed..!! Espiner is a joke..!!

[@tanepukenga1421]

No he wasn't, if he was then he would've pounched on davids, "Maori die quicker because they all live rurally" lie.

[@MattFarrell-sf8km]

100% agree

[@W_Bin]

Trickle down has never worked. Trickle up has always worked. Look at Spain.

[@markreynolds1112]

spain is dump, both systems can work but everybody in society has to be on board with the process

[@elliotchapman4367]

what about Spain? tell me more

[@W_Bin]

@@elliotchapman4367 look it up. Spain has best performing economy in Europe, and its socialist.

[@benfoster1018]

I mean... look anywhere

[@StarzPopzD]

Spain are economically struggling themselves

[@jodevonshirenz]

Saying MPs cant travel with no pay rise. What a joke. They sure as shite havent lost their perks for travel, accomodation etc.

[@marksvideochannel3592]

He didn't say that, he said if you reduce minsterial staff to pre 2017 levels you affect the ability for MP's to do their jobs. Unlike other departments that have had massive staff increases since 2017 with no improvements in their results. Don't let your bias over rule your ability to listen and understand, just like Guy did. Hopeless interview!

[@ZoroasterIII]

Except that he never said that.

[@stellymelly]

the green mp shaw had the highest air travel

[@watzup22]

I actually thought it was Luxon who spent the most of all the MPs

[@stellymelly]

@@watzup22 no way bro im pretty shore greens shaw has the most air travel in one year you know the one thats hates fossil fuel but love plane rides burning the stuff

[@user-bs3sd4kh6o]

Wow yet again David defused a hostile left biased interrogation with logic and clarity of thought Left or right you have to admire his ability to answer and logically dismiss the implied line of questions. He fronts when the left run think ja and Hoskins as a alternative scenario Good on David for taking on debating in a calm logical manner

[@Duckz558]

lot of words about setting up his comrades all I hear

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Duckz558 If how you used your words is an example of how well you listen, then I am not surprised.

[@tanepukenga1421]

What is "logcial" about the lie "All maori die earlier because they all drink, smoke and live rurally!"? Other than the race baiting of course

[@Duckz558]

@@tanepukenga1421 Only been portrayed to be equivalent to other races don’t you think?spotlight always seem to be on moari for some reasons or other maybe cause moari have a say in their country for a change🤔where some people can’t come to grips with moari being in a position of authority concerning the lands and resources where pass/present govt have tried repeatedly to deprive moari of rights

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@tanepukenga1421 A race baiter called Debbie Packer claimed that the tobacco / smoking laws were designed to target and kill Māori people. She belongs to a race baiting party of delusional and mana-less nut jobs.

[@wakachang7543]

is Guyon a bit slow?

[@suenicholas4510]

He's thick..!!

[@geraldperyman6535]

Seymour is a Rogernomics fan,the real issue at the moment is the government is pulling the unemployment lever to curb inflation,increasing taxation would be less damaging to the social fabric .

[@mobbarley7517]

Increasing taxation won't lower inflation, not to mention unemployment will correct itself where as no government will reverse a tax hike. Tax rates are already far to high.

[@geraldperyman6535]

@@mobbarley7517 Tax rates after WW11 were a lot higher than contemporary rates,also in most western democracies,society was more equal,middle class bigger,inflation under control,crime rates lower,unemployment lower,the 80s neo liberalism created more problems than it was worth.

[@julianwarmington1267]

@@mobbarley7517 For the lowest 10-20%, sure, taxes are too high. For most of everyone else, especially the super filthy rich with heaps of investment properties and other assets and cash to burn: Hmm... i think they'd cope by finally paying a bit more to maintain that "social cohesion" Seymour feigned concern for in the first few minutes.

[@giltee626]

Hahahahaha

[@chrisallum9044]

Increasing taxes makes everyone poorer and increases inflation more. It would and in fact is currently being demonstrated as more damaging for the last two governments. Explain how taking more of peoples money away from them makes inflation go down when it literally puts up the costs of goods and services.

[@user-jl2nv4mo4q]

Im also Scottish, but I dont dance in a kilt like Im on the set of braveheart, brilliant

[@chrisallum9044]

"can we afford tax cuts?" That question literally makes not sense. Taxes are a cost, you don't have to "afford" a reduction in cost, you need to afford increases in costs. You could ask would we be better off with less government spending/tax reduction but not "can we afford" them. Taxes ARE the thing we have to afford.

[@francislcollier]

Guyon, why do you not ask any futher questions on any of the content of David's replies? It would be great if you would as it feels a bit like you just want to get back to your list. For me it made the conversation a bit dissonant to listen to.

[@karentorkar8256]

He goes back to the list when he was wrong and DS explains to him why.

[@joemahanga9640]

Because David answers the question with a question. If you would've listened to the way he answers, it's always with a question. No straight answers. He's been taught well while he was in Canada under the Atlas Network. Deflection and division is his game. It's sort of like the divide and conquer system of the English monarchy realm from the 15th century. Ask the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish about that. By the way, most of his people of Ngati Rehia don't like him. True story.

[@francislcollier]

​@@joemahanga9640 Are you saying that: "Guyon doesn't ask any further questions on any of the content of David's replies because David answers the question with another question" Because if that is what you're saying then I don't understand the logic. Could you elaborate?

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@francislcollier It's pretty clear. When he's pushed on a line of questioning, he starts repeating questions and asking his own. It's a common debate tactic they teach in high school, my kid has it in her debate club this year. Look at his "Why don't poor people vote in act", where he repeats the question, asks one of his own and attempts to blame the asker for him not answering. It's supposed to be used to give the answerer time to think, but Seymour uses it more to change subject. The same way he never answered why poor people don't vote for act or the follow up question, why don't Maori vote for act.

[@francislcollier]

@@tanepukenga1421 Are you saying that Guyon doesn't go into any more depth with his questions because David uses this debate tactic?

[@stephaniemclean3458]

Trickle down economics has never worked. Acts policies are based on this principle. Seymour would sell off NZ resources to foreign investors. And would privatise all our amenities given half the chance.

[@cyrillawless]

He is charging him with questions trying to fluster him but David is to good for that 😂 You must admit, David knows his stuff.

[@wendyhicks5685]

He's a cocky little prick who doesn't know his stuff and lacks experience and empathy.

[@henryhollis4287]

Have you seen him on Breakfast with Chloe? Every single time she destroys him with facts, research and common sense. So much so that he has stopped trying to compete with her and openly mocks twhat she brings to the discussion. His talking points simply dont work against someone who has the receipts.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Is that why nearly everyone constantly proves him wrong?

[@cyrillawless]

@@henryhollis4287 strange every time I see him with her he makes her look stupid. We must be watching on different days😂

[@incubism]

Great conversation. David is a breathe of fresh air, in a leftoid vacuum.

[@philforde5871]

What Guyon missed was that some Maori offenders are more likely to be imprisoned because they are more likely to repeat offenders than non-Maori.

[@suniap3091]

Nice one Phil, so it's OK to keep this race based policy. Institutional racism is alive and well in NZ. This is inhumane and despicable.

[@poerava]

The recidivism rates are the same buddy. Did you pull that stat out of your bum? Wouldn’t that suggest the type of rehabilitation isn’t working. Maybe adopting what Sweden does.

[@jenifferschmitz8618]

how about white collar criminals

[@bevanhunter3613]

What has been missed is that white collar criminals stole this country and have never been brought to task over it. Te tiriti has never been honoured showing our country’s foundations are discrimination based on race with Māori being the target of asset theft. The real drivers of our social disfunction has a foundation in the theft of land which can be found in our legal history. Records are available. The tikanga of Māori burials has been forced on Māori through law this is not an evolution of tikanga. David is not an expert on tikanga.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Yeah, that's not true. The numbers show reoffending rates sit static among all races. You might want to ask what gave you the bias to claim that there are more repeat offenders due to race.

[@adsdft585]

The previous parliament passed a law not grant themselves a salary increase. This one is different!

[@MaxSpeedNZ]

The previous government borrowed $62 billion, which pales in comparison to a few salary raises by politicians.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@MaxSpeedNZ And kept your ass employed while doing so and save tens of thousands of kiwi lives. Then you monsters threatened Ardern's kids over it.

[@whatthe6532]

You need to do more research before commenting. MP s haven’t had an increase in a long time.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@whatthe6532 Yeah, six years. When the previous parliament chose to enact a payrise freeze. That's kinda the point, the last government thought it was douchey to increase their already top tier pay, this considers it an entitlement.

[@whatthe6532]

@@tanepukenga1421 I suggest you tell your employer that you won’t be wanting a pay increase for the next 6 years. Doing your bit to help your employer and the country.

[@mark561]

This was painful to watch - what is it with 'Journalists' in this country who a) interrupt when they get an answer they don't like and b) can't contain their own bias. The only saving grace is this comments section and the only reason these comments are up is because RNZ is petrified; given the recent layoffs in other media organisations. A shameful display!

[@spider-man910]

Wokecizm has taken over journalisizm ....

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

Journalists are suppost to challenge their guests

[@mark561]

@@Gary_oldmans_left_nut you can challenge people without being rude or oozing your own bias.

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

@@mark561 he was perfectly polite ya snowflake. Interruption is a necessary evil when dealing with politicians who often don't directly answer questions.

[@bazstraight8797]

I thought it was a pretty good interview, given the time constraint. Both Seymour and Espiner were polite and spoke with clarity.

[@yingle6027]

RNZ employees are desperate to bring in race based policies, but most reasonable people with critical thinking skills see this as a dangerous path to go down. RNZ also talk about Maori as if they are all criminals and obese. So disrespectful.

[@markreynolds1112]

thts right its called inverted racism, the elite left constantly engage in this type of patronizing rhetoric

[@navalfa7291]

Dont spill out the truth mate, they will ban the comment section.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

Martin Luther King Jr said it's better to solve inequality by class rather than race.

[@savagesaint4317]

@@kiwiyogi2846 How did that work out?

[@andrewlim9345]

I may not agree with Mr Seymour on a lot of things but I appreciate how well prepared and robust his arguments and counter-points are.

[@adsdft585]

ACT can not say why in 1970 university was 100% government funded but it is not now.

[@giltee626]

Why don’t you ask them because even I know the answer to that??

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@giltee626 What is the answer?

[@holo69]

@@kiwiyogi2846 User pays was introduced in the late 1980s under the fourth Labour government.

[@kiwiyogi2846]

@@holo69 Yes, Richard Prebble and Roger Douglas were in that Labour govt and then started ACT. Why wouldn't they know what happened?

[@craigaicken2409]

Hardly any one use to go,didn’t cost country as much. I think to many go these days.There we’re a lot of work around when the UK took a lot of NZ produce

[@bernardliddington2633]

He redifines terms to suit his own bias and then points out what he says is the truth.

[@tanepukenga1421]

"Maori die cause they all live rurally!"/"Locking up Maori more often than other races helps stopping the from becoming victims!" And people take this guy seriously.

[@evanpenny348]

Guyon, why not try to pick up on what David is trying to say instead of trying to simply pick holes in what he is saying to you?

[@Gary_oldmans_left_nut]

Because he's a journalist?

[@bazstraight8797]

I think this just reflects the format of the interview. I presume Espiner went in with a set of prepared questions and maybe follow up questions dependent on Seymour's response. In a pressured interview situation actually engaging with the content of Seymour's responses is really hard.

[@fe6767]

We can also say: David, why not try to answer the questions instead of trying to simply dodge them. (and split infinitives)

[@mrbr0skii923]

Let the man speak. Painful to watch the constant interruption. Why ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer?

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@julianwarmington1267]

If he actually gave answers of substance instead of irrelevant blather he'd be worth listening to.

[@mrbr0skii923]

@@julianwarmington1267 Tends to happen when people aren't allowed to finish their point. You get left wondering what they were saying.

[@raoulduke4806]

He keeps looking for a gotcha moment....but never gets it. Seymour wiped the floor with him...

[@dailybee92]

wait...THEY WERE NEIGHBOURS?

[@suenicholas4510]

Keep up .!! That's old news..!!

[@kimjon3774]

Brilliantly articulate, and so calm. David's answers are crystal clear.

[@adsdft585]

Economist will tell that assets used in production income depreciate in value. Land is different in nature.

[@EpicTyme]

Thank goodness for David Seymour.

[@chrisjenkins324]

Well done, Guyon! Tough questions but mainly giving your guest the space to outline there ideas. Journalism as it should be practiced. Really appreciated this interview. More of this style, please.

[@RoboSpeno]

Great interview 👍

[@BrettCooper4702]

If it was equal the DPM should have given national a turn at DPM

[@sithomson4737]

Well and calmly articulated by Seymour; my respect for him goes up a peg. While 30 minutes is considered an age in NZ media dialogue, even this format exposes the weakness of an interviewer's ego interrupting the conveyance of a well considered point; the interviewers role is to draw these points out rather than block them with an agenda. This does show why people flock to the podcast length of format, where 50 minutes is short, and 3 hours common. But appreciated nonetheless.

[@warrenmartin2982]

Your a good man David , nice interview. Great you are looking after New Zealand

[@jasoncollins1702]

That introduction is a cut!

[@johnheadifen6836]

Can see why David is a political leader and Guyon is a new aged journalist

[@adsdft585]

Before deregulation of the banking system, the money supply was smaller, and people could not borrow for houses from trading banks. The effect changed house prices as people could borrow more to meet the price asked.

[@joshb6993]

I've often wondered about that. Makes sense

[@mierypesado6740]

Great format! Good job RNZ

[@user-wt4ie6iu6p]

Saving money is saving money Seymour...but it seems to apply to everyone except politicians and ministers...go figure...

[@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_]

He and Luxon are both classic examples of do as I say, not as I do

[@joshb6993]

Hey you geniuses, mp salaries are set by an INDEPENDENT authority. And just like a kicked dog, luxon has said he'll be donating his increase. You sound pathetic

[@breebw]

From the thumbnail I thought it was Seymore and Kim Hill.. lol

[@brendonharre712]

Disappointing interview because it stuck with generic nz journalist question themes that we have all heard before. 30 minutes gives a lot of time to get deep into a topic but that didn't happen. There were too many questions on too many different topics, meaning there were too many interruptions and too little time given to follow up discussion. Overall it was poor quality compared to other podcasts i could have watched.

[@secretsanctuaire8217]

David. Thank you so much for all that you’ve sacrificed for our country. Thank you for your service. I wish that I could see true happiness in you. But I cannot. You really deserve all the happiness in life.

[@howardlee5235]

It’s great to see journalists been tough only on ACT party, but they always play softball for lefty parties 😂

[@andrewkiwi100]

KZbin comments proving to be a cesspit as usual. I thought this was a really interesting and engaging interview from both David and Guyon. Looking forward to seeing what this series has next!

[@boekish]

David you are awesome!!

[@t_hughes]

The quality of the public service is a Pareto distribution, much like Twitter you can fire most because 20 % of the them are doing 80 % of the work

[@user-jm7jm9sy7q]

Like this format of open conversation

[@adsdft585]

Where I live in Auckland we will have at least double the number of dwellings soon once Tamaki redevelopment project is finished under current town planning rules.

[@KINNZ94]

The presenter guy is just now smart to converse with David. He is just reading what he has prepared, so he is more able to respond to what David says about the issue. Just not able to think on the spot.

[@titiwhai]

The role of government is to maximise the well-bein of NZrs (not to leave it to global markets)

[@geoffthompson9058]

Different ethnicities are often over represented for no genuine reason at the expense of the majoritys loss.

[@Pikuzzo405]

The crown ah the government 🧐

[@DiamondTaimana]

He will NOT be DPM, Winstons going to PULL the PLUG. Lol

[@sheisleeaddams]

Word 😂

[@kathrynclarke781]

this reminds me of the Lindsay Perigo interviews we used to see about 30-40 years ago. David held up his end v/well here.

[@whatthe6532]

David almost always does. Class act. (nice pun)

[@TAGWAO-zi8fi]

I may like david now after that attack at the end

[@falman-5653]

So we are sacking 10s of 10000s . And borrowing 15billion so that I can save 20 dollars on my mortgage? While they get a pay rise and pay landlords 3billions.? Wow.. incompetent clowns

[@johnnygoggles6427]

There's no arguing with someone with your level of understanding lol

[@falman-5653]

Than explain to me how can they sack1000s to save money. Deny police decent pay rises "to save money" while expecting them to be harder on crime. Meanwhile they get a pay rise and billions spend to landords. By the way luxon owns 7 off. A back bencher is getting 100 plus per week.you and I are getting a less than 20 per week. And your telling me im stupid? Haha.

[@Duckz558]

That’s a numb 🧠er pay rise while the rest of the population struggles suppose to be the people first job description?

[@hubristicmystic]

​@@falman-5653 Sorry, the person getting a 20 per week tax cut is replaceable, the 100 per week person has lucrative international options. Jealousy is a dangerous political strategy.

[@falman-5653]

​ @hubristicmystic and you think i give a s if they got lucrative international options? why the f would i be jealous of them:? we put them up there to work for us not some greedy corporate ball heads who doesn't give a s about the average new zealanders. They are just a bunch clowns who only think about filling there pockets and there rich friends. The funny thing is , they are doing it right infront of your face. We put them up there to serve us, not the other way around. and so far you and i are doing just that. you are just too stupid to see it..

[@danieltriebsch2567]

Sounds like ACT needs to be cut back in principal ..

[@WashRite]

David Seymour makes so much sense

[@adsdft585]

Data and evidence. ACT often talk and do not list ( say) what evidence is.

[@YoCalmYaFarm]

They also have a habit of saying ‘I spoke to a person just the other day and ……’

[@stevehughes1510]

Cheers Guyon, what an insightful interview, not confrontational as such, good discussion, informative. I like David's views and your own interviewing style, always have, you're looking for answers rather than 'gotcha' moments, very refreshing indeed well done. !!

[@ostenvind]

Wow that was embarrassing for Guyon

[@cherylreid2964]

Evidence 🧾... remember that!

[@elizabethfairlie8296]

Same health impact findings that arose during Jenny Shileys reign. E.g not enough Drsnin rural areas. If there is a Dr. They are often working with no back up. So on duty 24/7. Also limited public transport in many rural areas.

[@myresponsesarelimited7895]

Funny how he lumps all nz together when it suits him. Yet we are NOT all in the same boat. The working class is not in with the middle class, it should be illegal to to make passive income even while you sleep.

[@mitchellwahl3254]

You must be a big fan of Karl Marx. Workers controlling everything. Why would anybody pay money to build a factory if they couldn't profit from it? Why would anybody spend years inventing something if they couldn't profit from it? Why would anyone work hard if everyone gets paid the same? Please remind me how the communist experiment worked...

[@W_Bin]

more please. 👍

[@julianwarmington1267]

... of anyone else, please

[@jamescavanagh1751]

NZ will be a better place when David Seymour is the Prime Minister!

[@stellymelly]

for example in one area in new zealand there is 26 workers maintaning social housing actually repairing and maintaning the houses there are 156 people in an office on high pay with vehicles doing next to nothing with unlimited sick leave .this is true it not value for money for the nz tax payer thanks labour asleep at the wheel

[@sonnyawa6413]

Love this awesome human

[@Rihivan]

Atleast its no edited was great to see the truth shine through

[@christopherwalton1373]

Well done David, not taking the bait again 👍

[@logicalanswer3529]

I am glad someone like David is doing his best to move this country forward. The professional victims are in panic mode because they know that their gravy train is derailing.

[@Ruakituri]

Nah mate it’s you that’s crying knowing you yt only world is crumbling 😂😂

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Ruakituri Thank you for proving my point with your mana-less behaviour.

[@Ruakituri]

@@logicalanswer3529 😂😂😂 you agree to benefiting off the crowns criminal behaviour by stealing lands and resources yes? Your gravy train is over

[@ollie3548]

😂 shut up you racist

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@Ruakituri Thank you for proving it again.

[@Scott_Bradbury]

Allow for full deductions against R&D for tech development companies and companies creating their own technology systems. This will lower the entry cost for building technology in NZ. This will also allow us to compete with other countries in the tech industry and will give the future generation wired to technology a great chance to build the next best things online in this country. Remember, subscriptions to tech can be world wide and all that money coming to tech companies here in NZ would be awesome. Put that next to datacenters and our Green Energy approach. This can all be done along side our exports and tourisim. Tech's the future.

[@thenzlander7605]

Same old boring Rogernomics.

[@DiamondTaimana]

Part of the Crown fiction is to make us believe Te Tiriti was between Maori and the Crown and therefore a bilateral treaty. It was not - it was between hapu (as self governing peoples in their own right) and the Crown ie. a multilateral treaty between MULTIPLE sovereign or self determining peoples. When they 'Maori'ise' Tiriti discussions they deny hapu agency and instead defer to a 'whole of Maori' approach. But we didn't surrender the right to be self determining in relation to ourselves or our territories- in fact we expressly protected that in Te Tiriti. We need to honour our own treaty by respecting that indigenous truth and pushing back on the colonial fiction that undermines the very rangatiratanga the treaty protects. That's what kotahitanga looks like- not merging us into some colonial construct. Heoi- the Crown has Tiriti obligations to each and every hapu that signed that agreement - multilateral, concurrent obligations. It can not unilaterally redefine who its partner is to suit itself. Pretty sure you wouldn't get away with at that at the EU. Tihei. We are still here. No one speaks for us but us. Crown can't go to someone else to get permission for our indigenous nation. Not gonna change. If you're helping the Crown do this you're enabling the fiction.

[@markreynolds1112]

borring is good bro u, we dont want wild marxism i knw it looks sexy and exciting whn its on display on the tvnews but its the reason so many migrants, flea to the west.

[@rubyholiday7880]

I think that's what it'll be very good to reform

[@LOL..eliminant]

Good ole Guyon.

[@adsdft585]

Why has taking off his tie today?

[@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_]

Something to do with 4% perhaps?

[@jgh131]

I like David and Guyon as normal dudes, should be 120 with Guyon, Long form is better.

[@elizabethfairlie8296]

And power and insurance costs.

[@adsdft585]

ACT is saying the government can afford to borrow .

[@julianwarmington1267]

Really? Where, and when did they say that? - I sure would like to believe that... if they were borrowing for the wider public good and not just the filthy rich.

[@francislcollier]

@@julianwarmington1267 Hello Julian, in order to increase my understanding of the workld here is a question for you: How do you define the rich? I have been thinking about this question lately as I am currently living in a latin american country where based on the amount of money people in NZ make we would all fall into the category of the filthy rich.

[@henryhollis4287]

@@francislcollier I think you've answered your own question. A clear and absoluite definition of Weath is impossible. While people in your country may be poor by our standards, the cost of food housing transport and education may also be lower. Wages here mihght be higher but costs including the ability to get onto the housing ladder are also higher. Whats almost certain is that the Wealthy in NZ often own multiple houses, having benefited from a decades long booming housing market and a lack of CGT. Mnay like Luxon own a housiong portfolio that is mortgage free. Currently owning one home can make someone a paper millionaire so that is a barrier to using simple home ownership as the definition. A CGT, a wealth tax, a land tax, an inheritance tax or Stamp Duties could all be employed to encourage invetment in the Productive sector rather than housing.

[@francislcollier]

@@henryhollis4287 Just to clarify I'm a Kiwi but I've been here overseas on and off for 10 years. It's definitly made me question many things. Including happiness. So many people here have less and yet this doesn't tend to be the defining factor of life satisfaction. In fact the most important thing I've noticed is time spent outside and with people, which ironically is free. Also the hope to be able to improve things. In Cuba they don't have that and that definitely. Also some people complain and blame "firstworlders" ie us for their problems which is an interesting dynamic. These people tend to be negative and don't feel that they can improve their lives. Other note fisher and paykel have their factory here.

[@francislcollier]

Food is also expensive now and education to the standard of NZ needs to be private which is expensive too. My son is in school at 4 and already I'm feeling the pull to go back to NZ for schooling. Many other things are cheaper. Houses are cheaper yes but mortage interest can be as high as 30% if you aren't working for the government of certain companies which makes it very, very hard to get property.

[@kerrygriffin8730]

How many of one group are repeat offenders and therefore get longer sentences?

[@markreynolds1112]

gud point, perhaps the assaults culd b more violent as well this will impact sentencing

[@stephenlennon7369]

Nah it just racism backed by facts not your feelings

[@henryhollis4287]

My reply to someone else: Would that be becasue Māori youth offenders are more likley to be arrested, more likely to be charged, more likely to have inadequate advice & representation, more likley to be convicted and more likley to be sentenced than other people? All of which often leads to a lifetime of crime. Just consider the number of University students/Sportsmen/Businessmen who are discharged without conviction because a conviction would hurt their future propspects...

[@markreynolds1112]

@@henryhollis4287 its because buissnes men dont commit violent crime so sentences are not as sever

[@iainmenzies5803]

Time Guyon got another job!

[@malcolmhayward4431]

Haven’t seen any significant race base policy change yet and I’m so jaded I’m not sure much will change to be frank

[@tanepukenga1421]

You were a fool if you got taken in my the ACT propaganda. Next time be an adult and look into the stuff you heard about

[@richardbuttenshaw4749]

Come on Guyon. In regard to the numbers being incarcerated it's obvious you have ignored other factors. IE. There may be previous charges and sentences that have an effect on the sentence rates. You know that. Don't be dishonest.

[@henryhollis4287]

Would that be becasue Māori youth offenders are more likley to be arrested, more likely to be charged, more likely to have inadequate advice & representation, more likley to be convicted and more likley to be sentenced than other people? All of which often leads to a lifetime of crime. Just consider the number of University students/Sportsmen/Businessmen who are discharged without conviction because a conviction would hurt their future propspects...

[@tanepukenga1421]

That was included. I know, I studied the subject for 4 years. If anyone's being dishonest here, it you by pretending those weren't taken into account.

[@user-gv6vj7xw4u]

Guyon you got owned !!!!

[@jasonpoihegatama1347]

Yes it will be good to look into why Maori are sent to jail more over English 7.3 % over 2 %. something wrong there fore sure.

[@elizabethfairlie8296]

Be interesting to watch the economic impact on so many people being put out of work. People losing their homes the impact on families and work and income impact that is paid through tax. Food banks health costs. Back to neoliberalism where people are paid less and arevecpected to work longer and harder. No better arguement now for leaving NZ.

[@JamesSumner-Goodwin]

Australia, Canada, Ireland, UK and the US all have the same economic settings and yet these are the places kiwis move to. People won't lose their home in the 2 -6 weeks they are looking for another job if they don't have one lined up already, don't be a student of disaster architecture! Global economics won't change for NZ so we might as well try build up to a high wages.

[@smallkinedings]

Wow, so this is what happens when a mainstream tv host tries out a podcast setting? This is the most abnormal conversation, do you have ADD? Quit interrupting, quit changing the subjet every 12.4 seconds and just have a normal conversation...

[@morgan_kemp]

Guyon, rule 101 with interviewing: ask open ended questions and not closed ones. I don't think this show will stack up well with Jack Tame's Q+A if you ask too many closed questions

[@tanepukenga1421]

Wow. Way to miss the point of a "Timed" interview format. Was this a case of ignorance, or more trolling? Since it's literally part of the segments title after all....

[@boazapoa8469]

Who are they Borrowing off

[@adairdavis2446]

Wtf!! Help....

[@mitchelldenysschen3224]

1M NZD for a house? Definitely not in your electorate David… 😅

[@curtisdavies7424]

Awsome David, Deputy Chief soon and eventually Chief .

[@user-iu3cb4yv1v]

Die your hair RED Guyon that will show you're true colors

[@terenceshum9308]

This guy tried so hard to commit David to his agenda. Good luck buddy he is a fair bit smarter clearly