Rage Limitation: Rejuvenate Not Fully Working?

[@WickGaming]

Pbblbnk pointed out that Trajan actually will buff his own rage in the same moment Rejuvenate activates. I only considered him buffing others (I don't know why I skipped that...), so for him I would suggest 2/3 points on Rejuvenate, as well. ANYWAY, all the updated talent trees will be posted on my discord.gg/wickgaming in a few days! Thanks for all your precious comments

[@Wisecrackerist]

Rage cap used to be 300. So i guess they lowered the cap at some time.

[@dmrblk35]

if you will use athelflead with trajan you already should give 3/3 for give support talent tree last talent 1/5 (athel giving more damege slow troops and support talents last skill give area slow.

[@WickGaming]

Would you like more talent analysis? Let me know in the comments. I am preparing a talent tree update for the Support commanders on my Discord, join up: discord.gg/wickgaming

[@LinardsZ]

Feral Nature is Cheasburgering talant

[@AndrewJemmott]

Mr. Wick what happens when they are rage debuffs such as the silent trial?

[@ruslanl8844]

Definitely would be nice to know how many points to place into a skill tree vs inf/cav trees. Skill tree includes many talents around circumstances that may not happen.

[@tsarski1]

You forgot to activate your wood boost for your farm in your city👀

[@pbblbnk5211]

About tajan: In a situation where he doesn‘t get attacked (so 9 extra rage per turn only from burning blood) he needs 7 turns for a skill even with rejuvenate lv1 thanks to his own rage generation buff. If he get‘s attacked by at least one enemy he needs rejuvenate on lv3 to get a 6 turn cycle, with rejuvenate on lv2 he would only be at 995 rage after turn 6.

[@WickGaming]

Oh yes, I totally skipped that. I only considered him buffing others. I will update his talent tree as well. Thanks A LOT for pointing this out!

[@moutan100]

No, 150 rage from lvl 3 will always exceed 220 limit and wastes

[@LooneyTimes]

@@WickGaming Hey man, love the rage related content you have been covering. I've done some testing myself and come across an interesting conclusion. I can send you battle reports if you'd like. When winning a battle but not being attacked back (most marches when you are the swarmer) there is an additional rage decrease from 100 to 85 a turn. This leads me to believe a portion of the 100 base rage is connected to taking normal attack damage. Would love to see if you come to the same conclusion and could cover it in a video. Cheers mate!

[@WickGaming]

@@LooneyTimes I'm about to publish a video in a few minutes. Rage is divided in attack rage and counterattack rage but I'll cover that next week. Today's video will also prove that base rage is actually more than 100. Check it out in a bit :)

[@neox1v699]

I'm glad you made this video. After your last rage cap video I commented about rejuvenate being completely redundant, in an murder ball you are most likely to get a trajan, mulan, joan or a william buff on rage as well so I think I can go as far as by saying any point on rejuvenate is wasted. However, if you want to be well prepared 2 points is good enough. Eager to see how the testing comes out. Can't wait and as usual, a really good video. Cheers!

[@mrpiggie3415]

Really good tutorials keep up the good work. I learn a lot of you’re videos 👍

[@PitBull78q]

Wick Gaming content as always have very high substantive value. Keep it up Wick.

[@WickGaming]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@roumelromero8732]

Suggest a follow up video be made on how the HORN, a legendary accessory will perform. If there is 100 minimum rage per turn and a max of 220 per turn (as confirmed by developers), how will the horn work since it is designed to generate an extra 50% rage based on a 30% chance for normal attacks. Questions are as follows: 1. how will the 30% be computed, it is based on the minimum 100 rage or 30% after all rage calculations? 2. The developers will not just put an accessory like a HORN in the HA shop without considering the calculations that will result to over rage. Hoping for your consideration on this siggestion. Thank You in advance

[@syedhani3354]

Thanks for all the hard work you do for the community, can't wait to try new talent builds😍 Now that we are talking about rage, can you please test if the Leonidas' skill which gives 15% extra rage works as expected if so does it effect the talent builds for his march?

[@brianschenker601]

But there is also silent trial and commanders who reduce rage…. So….. more rage still seems good

[@irfans6451]

And more guan on field.. ur rage is useless

[@siam9914]

Silent trial is dogshit lol. Only reducing 13 rage max per turn when most if these new commanders making 220+ rage easy. So silent trial is useless and reducing NO RAGE

[@siam9914]

@@irfans6451 guan though super effective. Sometimes ur skill wont even pop till u almost dead thanks to so many fcking guans in field

[@serenson923]

13 rage reduction makes impossible for 4 turn cycle for 850 rage requirement. For 1k rage requirement, you need to regenerate 220 every turn for 5s cycle. Even 10 rage less per turn will delay it. It ultimately comes down to choice.

[@Paul-hq7gf]

@@siam9914 This has now been disproven in Wicks newest video

[@tdiggity4292]

Great video as always! Thank you for the breakdown in understanding Lillith's weird rage system.

[@dennisatria5837]

Do one for other type of commander please. For example alex (attack talent tree). It would be awesome to see the analysis on that since alex is widely used

[@AlejandroRodriguez-rk2nu]

Your content is very original and I like that you put subtitles because my English is bad. Greetings.

[@WickGaming]

Cheers bud! Thanks for stopping by!

[@gabrielsimoes1730]

Poor SunTzu... he has been screwed for a long time, then. If you use rejuvenate on him, you can only get the extra rage of the active skill from hitting only one enemy, even when hitting multiple...

[@WinnieThePooh122]

Will you do another video about rage in rally/garrison situations? like how does the disadvantage get calculated? Will it recalculate who has the advantage everytime someone joins the rally/garrison or will it be fixed from the start? Anyways, great content!

[@윤윤-t4r]

Do u know what happens in the case of rage reducing commanders? For example, if I earned 320 rage in a single turn but commanders like amanitore reduced my rage for that turn by 100, would I be getting 320-100= 220 rage or 220-100=120 rage because of the rage cap?

[@윤윤-t4r]

Or would it not apply on the rage gained on that turn because the rage reduction applies on the rage that I already have accumulated..?

[@WickGaming]

This is a very good question. I will ask Lilith and after asking I will test LOL

[@WickGaming]

I suppose it will be still 220 and the calculation is done at the end...

[@윤윤-t4r]

@@WickGaming Thank you :) Always love the content

[@alexfaulkes02]

Great video. These are the ones I like. Breaking down game mechanics. Does this new light on rage change your thoughts on horn. Or rather how you talent someone with horn

[@WickGaming]

I will make a video with all the talent trees breakdown, I have many ideas in mind

[@vuongat2759]

hi Wick what about Ishida active skill? do you think it invole ?

[@terraslayer6042]

I would like to point out that you get more rage when you are being attacked by more than 1 march. The rage cap seems to hit at 3 or 4 marches swarming. Your base 100 rage per turn seems correct for 1v1, but not in a 2v1 or 3v1 situation.

[@WickGaming]

You get more rage when you lose a battle regardless if 1v1, 2v1, 3v1 etc. You can check my testing in the previous video where I tested 1v1 :)

[@farmergaming3704]

Hello Wick I have a critical question about it Edward first skill reduces rage by 300 points (will not drop below zero) so when he active his active skill which one take effect first Archer Honor or Rejuvenate ? I did some tests and I saw that without Rejuvenete I do not lose so much rage and some circles I lose almost none but only with Edward because I am already lost almost all the rage but does archers honor takes the Rejuvenate out ? can you figure this out please for us ?

[@HajlenderW]

Hey Wick! Thumb up for the video. My question is: if your commander casts a skill lets say at turn 8 but when his rage accumulation is reduced by debuffs he casts at turn 9. But if you pick talents for rage "overkill" instead of just minimal rage talents needed to cast skill at turn 8.. can these overkill talents save your commanders skill cycle so the skill is casted at turn 8? im not sure if you can understand me :) in other words.. is more (overkill) rage in "buffer" so it can balance your skill cycle to be the same even if you are debuffed or is rage "overkill" total waste?

[@ilhansehic9115]

This guy is changing everything I used to belivie😳

[@WickGaming]

sorry xD

[@kamranbaylarov5721]

Man. Your contents is amazing. you are best. good job :)

[@WickGaming]

Thanks a ton!

[@OnikagiGaming]

Horn become a waste ?

[@tienthang4038]

Hi, wick gilga + ram is that a good combo for OP?. im will start kvk5, and i think i will use gilga + ram , ed + yi for OP but I not sure about my option gilga + ram, can you help me pls.

[@kevinmata1398]

Take a look at Saladin/Khan pair, they can trigger the active skill every 2 turns, when khan activates his expertise, talk about it later on.

[@WickGaming]

That's a particular case because Khan's expertise has 30% chance to make the active skill proc again. But anyway the 3rd point on Rejuvenate will still be wasted

[@serenson923]

That’s why 5s is faster skill cycle due to 1s cooldown between active skill

[@uncoblackout]

So for Zenobia, should we be using only 2 points on rejuvenate and not even bother using the horn?

[@Harry-by9co]

hey @Wick Gaming should i still make horn of fury?

[@yfgrows2515]

debunnking myth and talents!!

[@erfanmohaddes7897]

Good job man 😊👏

[@WickGaming]

Thanks!! :)

[@bboysamadt]

Wick gaming for president!!

[@PitBull78q]

Wick really nice content.

[@mustafaahmed6653]

Is the modification of support talent tree including Saladin? And should i remove some from redjuveanate to the top of cavalry tree please i am waiting your answer

[@WickGaming]

2/3 for Rejuvenate, put the remaining talent elsewhere

[@mustafaahmed6653]

@@WickGaming thank you ,wick

[@lordkresnik2873]

Going over the cap by alittle would still be beneficial due to things like silent trial though right?

[@WickGaming]

Correct, but Silent Trials will inevitably be balanced out by Joans/Trajans, Horns & Karuak Drums. Silent Trial is just 13 rage reduction if specialised, any of those other factors is 50/turn. Statistically, I always prefer to go for the stuff that on average will give me better results and not relying on luck.

[@KamKam8383]

Cheers man. Interesting stuff as always. But which one would you prefer ? Having an excessive amount of rage (some amount of rage is being wasted) or having rage less than the maximum amount allowed per turn? I d go with the former.

[@WickGaming]

I would try to stay exactly at the limit, wasting as little rage as possible but always being full. The difficult part is to balance it out. I will make a video with the breakdown of all my talent trees

[@KamKam8383]

@@WickGaming That would be great. Can't wait for it

[@5000BC-Bot]

Current rage mechanic is correct…if 1v1…we won’t get max 220 rage/turn…and if 5v5…lilith has to limit the rage/turn…if not…it won’t be practical to have the cycle too frequent and becomes unbalance…

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

Would you suggest only putting 2/3 points on rejuvenate for Constantine ???

[@WickGaming]

Yes, absolutely.

[@WaterMelon-Cat]

@@WickGaming you would lose cage of thorns though meaning you can't instantly proc Æthels extra damage if you use Constsntine/Æthel. Still worth it?

[@WickGaming]

@@WaterMelon-Cat Of course it depends on the pairing. I use one point on Cage of Thorns on my Saladin+Aeth, too. That will implicate me picking up all three talents on Rejuvenate. Same speech should be considered maybe for Trajan+Aethelflaed. Again, every situation has to be addressed separately

[@mustafaahmed6653]

Is the modification of support talent tree including Saladin

[@WickGaming]

Yes, I would use 2/3 for Rejuvenate.

[@chandraswingz5753]

Are u testing amani yss garrison?or report?

[@WickGaming]

The testing are already online, check my video portfolio!

[@casualgam3r19]

Man. Your content is amazing. You don’t get the credit you deserve. Other explain what the eye can see. You explain how the eye perceives what it sees.

[@WickGaming]

What a beautiful compliment. I much appreciate you! Have a great day

[@lorddilly9015]

Should you still use Ferrell nature on Edward?

[@WickGaming]

Well, Edward has a longer skill cycle so the chance of that to line up with other buffs gets smaller. So yeah, probably I'd still use that on Eddy. But I don't have that problem, because I don't have Eddy XD

[@john2g1]

Another question is SHOULD you use Edward. 🤔 All jokes aside sometimes you can't help but use the commander that you have when you have them. Just take note of their strengths and weaknesses and adjust your strategy accordingly.

[@dinonano602]

What is the value of horn now? 😵‍💫

[@ranholic5027]

It has a value.. edit your skill talent tree and dont get feral nature .. Horn will do the job in terms of rage engine..

[@moutan100]

What about sun tzu 50 rage for every march he hits it doesn't work because of rage limits. Lilith should edit sun tzu tex and refund us with epich sculptures

[@worldboxvn8214]

Rage will be waste Attila and takeda : Wait, we can't waste them if we don't even have enough them

[@vuotovuoto9085]

hi wick, I still don't get why "rejuvenate and feral nature" is bad, for example in a normal situation you gain 100 rage per turn plus 18 from talent tree tot=118 rage, if count feral nature (150) it adds up to 268 which also means you reached the limit 220 rage for that turn, so isn't it better to have reached 220 rage in that turn instead of just 118 rage without feral nature (150 rage) ?

[@Kadodary]

Wick's point out to set 2 talent points, so you could gain 218 rage. Save 1 talent point in somewhere else. But you can face opponents who has rage redution itens or skill. So not everything works like Wick said

[@vuotovuoto9085]

@@Kadodary yes thanks, but rejuvenate activate when cast a skill but feral nature is from normal attack, means each turn u have a chance of getting 150 rage, from turn 1 to till you cast the skill.

[@serenson923]

You need to consider if you use Trajan/Joan/William too

[@TAETO1585]

Makes a lot of sense now why Leo's 15% rage gain increase doesn't seem to do anything.

[@john2g1]

Unless he is secondary to a non skill/support Commander unlikely to be swarmed like Richard or Martel.

[@ivanlee6642]

How much rage do u get exactly when they say 15% ?

[@TAETO1585]

@@ivanlee6642 I believe it is just 15 percent onto the base rage so if you are winning the fight, it would be 115 per turn. If you were losing it would be 140ish

[@TAETO1585]

@@john2g1 I mean sure, but at that point firing off the active skill for one of those commanders isn't doing much anyway.

[@moutan100]

Guan +leo hit always at turn 7 instead of 8.so Leo gives 100 rage.

[@slayerrok1078]

We need more talentresets again 🥲

[@kneecap9927]

To all the people who don't question advice given before making decisions, please follow the advice in this video so I can get more kills :)

[@catchyourdrift]

So there's no need to max rejuvenate and other skills that adds more rage? Quite tricky😅

[@atharvapanse4003]

Btw… how long is 1 turn? 😅

[@WickGaming]

1 turn = 1 second!

[@atharvapanse4003]

@@WickGaming that's a lot of turns 😂 the length of report if put maxed Richards against each other 🤣🤣🤣

[@MohamedKhaled-do3we]

But that means horn of fury is useless accessory??

[@justinrayyu1120]

Hey wick. Rage limit is actually lesser than 220. Try talking to Sakarsh from iNG, kd 1606. He had the calculations and stuff that proves it is lesser than 220 :)

[@WickGaming]

There have been so many calculations since my video came out, but I can’t take a look at all of them unfortunately. I can confirm the rage cap is 220 from other testings and sources, the number is that one. Did he test on barbarians? Because neutral units have other systems of rage calculations. You need to be in controlled environments. Cheers

[@antonmingguy]

We should consider our opponents have silent trial to reduce our rage 😤

[@rrrfoofoofoo2682]

You have 1:1 as your assumption , If you hit without being attacked by the opponent, you need to score three points.

[@arpitarora293]

Well I shouldn't say this but ... Chisgule trying to steal your thunder 😂😂😂

[@WickGaming]

No bud, he gave a really good perspective about this and I'm happy that more players will know about this rage cap thanks to his content summed up to mine :) have a great day!!

[@firstblood3165]

You 8 months or more late than me finding out this, I found out about it when I used diaochan and ysg with Archer to do aoe barb, with my calculations the skills should had been fired up in 3sec or 3.5sec base on rng but it never went down under 4sec-4.5sec. I talked to about it with some people but you know when you are not a content creators your words has no value and people might call you crazy if you say again and again about it😅

[@WickGaming]

If it can be of any consolation, I also knew things that people didn't think were true before I started making content on YT. It's not that people don't believe you, but having a platform and an audience sometimes makes people believe that everything is pure gold, when it's not. Everyone makes mistakes, that's why it's always a pleasure when I learn from people commenting under the videos (and I learn something everytime)

[@john2g1]

Interesting 🤔 so it seems like Support Garrison commanders have a lot of wasted conditional rage talent points. I can't wait for the video... Shadow legion is just around the corner.

[@john2g1]

@Caçador de Yonkou Not necessarily but most of the time yes... There are two rage limits: 1. the total amount of rage you can accumulate which is 1,000 for most commanders 2. the amount of rage you can gain in one turn which is 220. A Garrison Support commander can potentially have four different talents to gain rage along with skills and equipment. So decide which talents are important, look at the calculations in this video and the previous video, and decide if the Horn of fury would be wasted on that Commander pairing. Or wait for Wick Gaming to drop a video on it. But seriously do your own math.

[@john2g1]

@Caçador de Yonkou I think that is really what this video is alluding to. It's not that the Horn of Fury is not worth crafting but instead it's not worth putting 3 talent points into Rejuvenate. Instead depending on your other skills talents and equipment you only need one or two points into Rejuvenate.

[@herickwong6128]

You will also receive rage compensation when you are getting swarmed, it can bring up to 5 turns a cycle. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqG1m6mpftakiMk Above video made by a taiwan player 2 months ago that he do the testing.

[@WickGaming]

Yes, that is not actually rage compensation. It’s simply extra rage granted by counterattacks. The rage you get by normal attacking a player is divided in attacks and counterattacks. The more people swarm you, the more counterattacks rage you get. This is another point reason why I don’t like picking talents like Feral Nature in open

[@korneliuschandraw3431]

I guess defense tree is the best talent now 😅

[@WickGaming]

Defense is one of my fav

[@andraelwhite547]

HYPE increase cap to 300 HYPE

[@WickGaming]

Who knows, it might happen :)

[@chocolateaddict1383]

Rejuvenate works just don’t max it , 2/3 is fine

[@ramgaming9475]

I can waste 48 rage just to get 220 max 😊☺️

[@WickGaming]

It's twice per cycle you mean. And yes, 1/3 of that talent is always waster (48 rage). Please check my calculations

[@markg3305]

Haven't finished watching yet butt... don't take support tree away from me too!!🤣 Edit: Lilith needs to just not cap rage gain per turn. Fights take too long anyways imagine no cap and how insane that would be 😳

[@sanzo7787]

glad i know theres a rage cap, but you re missing points here, in 1 v 1 you attack get counter and get attacked and counter, both gain rage, is like when you swarming a rally in the middle way to target, once the rally hit the target, the rally will use first skill, meaning, getting attack also gain rage, so, in 1v1 you maybe can have overloaded rage, which is cap to 220 thanks to your information, but when you hit or swarming a march without that march hitting you back, thats the difference of having more rage in talent dont get me wrong, i wd love to fight those people that remove their rage regeneration in their talent just to get a tiny stats 😘