No Crank No Start! Not what YOU Think! 2012 Hyundai Elantra 1.8

[@rajbeekie7124]

Every neighborhood needs a Ray.

[@jojomorgan8556]

Better Yet, Every SHOP needs a RAY.

[@thethirdrail8397]

Everybody needs a rain man! ... A few years ago I edited the song rainmaker :by: the Cryin' Shames : which I added in a perfect Round of thunder to the song then later I tried adding in a cackle of a witch to the song... I have Four versions of the song now! they all sound good... I just can not release the copies. do to the laws the forgo such great mixing!

[@dxxxm231]

I’m a recovering Hyundai tech. There’s a 1 pin connector near the air box on almost every hyundai which is the starter solenoid wire. This is always my go to test point to check starter signal. Those solenoid connectors always break!

[@sebbykaiser6466]

Honestly Hyundai doesn't pay warranty diag so if it has extended warranty or its still in its 6 years/120km I just start with a starter lol

[@thethirdrail8397]

@@sebbykaiser6466 Good thing Car Dealerships do not place Warranties in Micro Miles Or micro KM! Or worse yet Inches vs Miles or KM! Your stay at the dealership while that is being printed out... might be a while! which may give you reason to check out more cars!

[@jojomorgan8556]

That's actually not exclusively Hyundai... The 2010 Ford I'm driving has the same connector clipped to the side of the battery box... it's also a known failure point... not sure but it seems there's some similarity there... but that's just my opinion as a Tech with 30+ yrs exp.

[@1337penguinman]

No crank no start on these Hyundais is always an initial 2 step process for me. 1) Try to turn the engine over by hand. 2) If it turns over, put a power probe on that wire and see if it cranks.

[@jojomorgan8556]

@@1337penguinman I have had a few people call me with the no crank no start problem with Ford trucks and I say I only have one question. "Has the battery recently been changed? " The answer is almost always a YES. I tell them that I can tell them what to do to start it but they'll owe me my $20 diagnosis fee when they do..... Out of over a dozen people I've only had one person who didn't bring it.... So, he's no longer a customer.....

[@bryanrulz3904]

I love these diag videos Ray. These are great examples of critical thinking skills and troubleshooting. Thanks for sharing brother!

[@shadetreemech290]

As an electronics technician, I can confirm that the troubleshooting procedure was accurate and valid.

[@cliffyb5896]

When Ray was holding the key in start and it wasn't doing anything, I was yelling at him to jiggle the shifter. He couldn't hear me though😀. He still got it in the end though. thanks for bringing us on your diag.

[@gcfixitc9283]

Why did you not try a neutral position to see if it would start

[@gms8994]

I would love to have a Ray closer to my area. Watching his videos for the last few years tells me that I could absolutely trust him to do work on my vehicles.

[@timetryp422]

His videos are addictive !

[@thewausaudude]

Ray’s only about 20 hours away from me, so it could be an excuse to escape the Midwest for a bit and enjoy the warmth of Florida. Though it will tack a little extra cost onto that repair bill 😂

[@gms8994]

@@thewausaudude it’s not that far for me, but it’s still a hike. I’ve got friends in that area and have more than once considered a visit… ha

[@alvinhyman6838]

I visited Florida yesterday but not in Ray's area. Hit Juniper, West Palm Beach and part of Okachobe yesterday. Wish that I would've had the time to hit Ray up but I was on a tight schedule.

[@jdesaavedra0432]

When faced with this situation, I try the jiggle test of the neutral safety switch before rigging lights. My very first failure to start was in my first car, a 1960 Impala back in 1970. Being a kid, I bypassed the switch. it was fun to launch by starting in drive. Those were the days of simple cars--yet they still had failures. Your method achieves the same results with a greater degree of certainty, given the complexity of modern systems.

[@tnekkc]

I am an electrical engineer that designed power supplies and battery chargers. Ray is very good at explaining troubleshooting.

[@thethirdrail8397]

I know this is RmR's channel, but... how good are you at The electrical end of sound systems? I sure would like to know how, An amp can be made to handle full four track wiring with out the discrete board. No one needs that board anyways, it just destroys the Quadraphonic experience any ways!

[@gryfandjane]

Interesting… this is the second repair vid I’ve seen where a faulty neutral safety switch was causing a non-start. And man, I love those interactive schematics. What a great tool.

[@chaddelong6795]

I’d be willing to bet any other shop would’ve instantly diagnosed this as an ignition switch. Goes to show the extent of care Ray puts to not just fire a parts cannon hoping to fix the issue.

[@timetryp422]

Ray's diagnostic skills are exceptional !

[@citizengroovesboogienation2242]

This is great. My wife's 2016 1.8L Elantra has started to have exactly this problem. Your video is going to minimise my diag time. Thanks Ray.

[@ronsloan7662]

Hey Ray, brilliant diagnosis. I was blaming the key switch all the way through until you found the actual problem. Great work! Cheers!

[@billmurray4895]

Love the packing tape mod on the driver side rear view mirror.

[@AliasTekTV]

Hey, not to discredit Ray for his amazing diagnostic work, but can we all give some applause to this fantastic specimen of the EverStart battery currently installed in this vehicle? I mean, look how many restarts he got out of it without a booster!

[@Thisoldhiker]

It looks like a well-maintained car. Not surprising that the owner would keep a good battery in it.

[@Codadams]

Thanks for taking us through the troubleshooting steps. It is one thing to tell us the problem but even better to show us the thought process, full diagnostic, full repair. Helps us all!!

[@mrgunn2726]

Uggh, intermittent issues are the worst and are notoriously difficult to troubleshoot. Good work Ray!

[@JimSmithBrazil]

Really enjoy your electrical troubleshooting. Your online diagrams are killer too.

[@Sir_Uncle_Ned]

Your mastery of diagnosis is unrivalled.

[@williammyers5911]

Retired ATM tech for over 20 years. Always took pics on arrival and steps during diagnostics. The pics and stateme t of repair was for my history and for any other tech in the the future calls if needed. Worked on every ATM manufactured and sub models. My SLA (service level agreement) was 2 hours on site window after call was generated by customer,with a 4 fix time. The Diagnostic was always using a 7 step plan on every call. Stated with the cables/wiring and worked up to software. You never know what to be the fault. Always used the senses on vision, hear, touch, smell, and sometime taste. Never met a ATM or smart safe that defeated me. I enjoy your video's and narration of the fix. Thank you and I wish we lived closer to you shop. Live in SC.

[@Really658]

Neutral safety switch, brings back memories.

[@surferdude4487]

It's good to see that you don't immediately yeat a perfectly good starter. Taking that time to diagnose and correct the actual problem means that you're keeping your customers and you're not getting returns for a problem THAT WAS NOT FIXED.

[@cranefly23]

That really was “a very good video”! I enjoy these diagnostic detective jobs. I find them much more interesting than a brake job or fluid change - even though I enjoy them too. Nicely done, Ray.

[@stephenspankmonkey2594]

Loving this "classic Ray" diagnosis video - just like the old days 🥰

[@solargarage]

Awesome video. It looks like the new switch has a protective cover to guard again water entering the switch, the old one does not have this. Would be cool to see the inside of the old switch. I would guess the old one has some corrosion in it.

[@ethanallen326]

There is an older Ray video that ended up being the range selector switch. In that one he did open up the failed switch.

[@brettemerich3237]

Ray A nice diagnosis. It’s like mowing the grass. (You can see the results). Once there was a no start in a parking lot. They were talking to the tow truck driver. I told them to put it I. Neutral and I start. They said good bye to tow truck driver. Anyway Ray have a good day

[@dannylinc6247]

Something vewy sqwewy about pin fitment between switches and connector at TR range plug. Just noticing. Hard to get at. Cwank vewy good now. Good video Ray and good diagnostic steps. I learned alot. Sorta.

[@merrillschaps2325]

Hey Ray! Did anyone ever tell you that you're a Ray of sunshine? Love your video brother! 😀

[@iillaamusic]

These deep diagnosis investigations are my top favourite videos, Sir Raylock Holmes.

[@philipershler420]

It’s always so much fun watching Ray use the information from AllData to devise a plan to figure out where the problem lies. It’s also comforting that when he couldn’t find the second white wire he did not want to guess where the other wire could be and begin shorting to random pins. With all the data that AllData provides, it must have a very hefty subscription cost, but it’s certainly the best tool in the shop for diagnosing electrical issues. 👍

[@aderi31415]

I think Eric O. mentioned that if you're a DIYer, you can get short term access to AllData or OEM info for relatively cheap. Subscriptions are indeed expensive.

[@DeeGee-mv6eq]

Eric O fanboy

[@briandeschene8424]

@@aderi31415 It’s about US$200 per month. It can be more (even much more) per month if you subscribe to its specialty/extension add-ons like mobile, expert hotline, estimate writer, collision, etc.

[@alvinhyman6838]

Alldata is much more reasonable point than many others on the market! They also provide guides to troubleshoot that is interactive for commercial subscriptions and it gives a number of fixes per possible issue. As an example it may tell you that 7 out 10 repairs for no start were the neutral switch 2 were relay and one was corrosion so that you can check the most likely part first. It has way more than wiring diagrams .

[@garbonzobean1]

Isn't it around $150\month? What's wrong with being an Eric O fanboy?

[@jasonroberts5746]

I had to replace the neutral safety switch on a 07 Ford Ranger. The brand new one was bad. Took it back and swapped it out and that one was bad too. Loved doing it so much, I did it 3 times.

[@proudcanadian5713]

Ray, you sir are a master mechanic. I would bet that lesser techs would have fired off the parts cannon and replaced several components before settling on that one.

[@bendelbridge]

Or stood there scratching their heads for a few hours wondering what to do lol

[@brianpolge7478]

After the repair, did you check to see if it started in "N" and did not start in th "R" or "D". If everything worked. Nice Job!!

[@frankvucolo6249]

That was a dinga. A dinga beauty. You were in the zone on this one and very well explained along the way. Just a simple test light and a logical process of elimination leading you to the fault.

[@maroofr]

I’m just now starting to learn about cars and how to work on them and let me tell you this is the most educational channel I’ve found so far. Thank you!!!!

[@garbonzobean1]

Eric O over at the South Main Auto channel is king. I suspect Ray will become an Eric O eventually.

[@moneysaversilver]

Sometimes a broken system is easier to troubleshoot than a intermediate one, I know because I seen lots of that aa a aircraft electrician intermediate USAF, I like watching you do electrician work, brings back good memories, and keep my brain working.

[@wayneessar7489]

Is that like an intermittent problem?

[@lokigames5091]

I love these diag videos of having to test multiple different relays,switches,etc that are critical to the operation, great video Ray

[@vc8939]

Good day to you Ray, very impressive diagnosis video. Just shows your dedication to finding the issue. You should have another happy customer. However, another video without a Dave sighting 😂😂😂

[@rogerfleury3591]

61st! Happy HUMPDAY Ray and the wife unit. Including the new employees. Roger in Pierre South Dakota

[@MrMattDat]

Love to hear your approach to diagnosing a problem Ray! Great job!!

[@Ricardoteh345rd]

Good day to you Ray and all at the shop! Hope you all have a very good day!

[@bartscave]

Keep the diag videos coming! Definitely a favorite.

[@johnmarino4085]

Nicely done Ray !

[@blackenigma1054]

I don’t care where i am when i here white snake i stop and listen…..that song always takes me back🤷🏿‍♂️😂

[@patrickchavez3848]

White snake and all the other hair bands the men who dressed like woman with make up and even their hair was done like females, those bands killed Rock and helped usher in rap. I despise all those crap bands for that reason!!!!!!😡

[@chrismayer3919]

I remember I once saw a fuse on my car called blah-blah-blah; NOW I know what circuit it goes to! Thanks, Ray! 🥸

[@joemalone9380]

the people of the sunshine state are so very fortunate

[@chrisstone3939]

Great bit of electrical problem determination....super thorough as usual!

[@campy9712]

This video is awesome it contains “ PIN WILLIGISH” 21:45 . Thanks for another great video Ray!

[@GlennLaycock]

that car is in good shape - clean

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Love watching. you do good work! you're intelligent and you're funny all in one🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@colinwhitby2473]

Good job ray there needs to be more like you😊😊😅😅

[@MotorheadRedo]

Guessed it would be the relay. Wrong! Good Video

[@ronaldmiller9648]

What a great diag and explanation process. Very educational!

[@svcnovelty4992]

I don't work on cars, but I really enjoy your videos. Your narration is easy to follow and informative thank you for what you do. If I ever break down in Florida, I would want to bring my vehicle to you. You give the profession an excellent name, my friend.

[@Papieck37]

Old school troubleshooting skills at its finest!!.... No A. I. Will ever replacea good old Mech

[@russelbaird3342]

I really enjoy watching you go through the diagnosis of an issue . Thank you it was fun . Stay safe , have fun .

[@Patriot-bn9om]

My daily dose of coffee and Ray inspiration sequence complete. Now, I can get off my arse and try to do something that adds value to the world.

[@BrianD-w8x]

Wow bro I'm impressed, that's good work and awesome diagnosis. You definitely know your stuff👏👏👏. That would've made me just burn it to the ground🤣🤣. Again kudos for another awesome video!

[@kevincurry4735]

Good morning Ray and happy hump day. Hyundai doesn’t seem to want to get galloping again after running. Intermittent problem on a car are the worst.

[@brucewinstanley6113]

Keeping retired Master Tech Brain sharp! Thanks

[@ITIRICI]

I actually guessed it was the neutral safety switch. I had the same issue with my cousins car and when I rocked back and forth in the car it would start. I checked that and replaced as OEM has issues and this is well known. Took 15 minutes and it still works.

[@lo1234-w9r]

Ray was asleep at the switch today, didn't verify that the car would start in neutral and not reverse or drive.

[@excellentjb]

Absolutely inspiring to DIY person that looking over and over this channel. Great job Raymond!

[@KentuckyRanger]

Very methodical process. Awesome as always!

[@scotts24d]

Ray you do have the right nick name Rainman Ray 👍

[@oxygen454]

I learned a lot from this video. I like working with wiring diagrams and diagnosing electrical and this helps.

[@DJKoby91]

I noticed that the “P” for park on the dash was missing when you unplugged them replugged the natural safety so definitely the issue was with the fingers in the switch. Good diag and enjoy the vids

[@c4rn199]

I like watching you figure out how it works rather than looking it up. As for the new inhibitor switch it will go right on with the car in neutral. You can also align the metal cable bracket by sticking a bolt or screw driver in the hole when it's in neutral.

[@achap3604]

Thank u for sharing your knowledge I am a mechanic with little electrical knowledge and am learning through your channel

[@bulldogshouse9970]

You did a great job on this one keep up the great work 👍💪

[@donaldmickunas8552]

Great diagnosis as always. Love your videos.

[@techbilldeaf]

Excellent diagnostic! Most mechanic would had gone straight to relay and starter to test confirm that it’s good and then start tearing out the steering column to replace the ignition switch wasting time and parts. What would be bad that if start every time after replacing it then customer come get the car and it does it again stranding the customer.

[@JDSWeather]

same car as mine 2012 Hyundai Elantra GLS 4D 1.8L love my Elantra.

[@aigoru8718]

Of course it had to be some stupid subsystem. It's been years since I've seen a failing starter motor or power switch packing up. Nice job dude!

[@woody95124]

Good job Ray!..No guessing..just proper testing leads to no mistakes..

[@CalkoLouie]

Hey Rae I had this Nutral safety switch on a hyundai 1.8 lt which did not replace it but it was sitting for a week parked and a lot of snow.great video.

[@robertpimpo4698]

Dammm ray perfect diag and repair bud nice job

[@scottslattery5590]

You did it again ray!!! You are the best at what you do!

[@veritas3179]

Rainman you're awesome mate!

[@fordmanfinis]

I need to do a similar inspection on a 2004 2500 hd chevy. Relays and battery are good. Starter is less than 3 years old, which doesnt mean anything, i know. There were no warning signs of start failure. It just quit working. No click or anything. Weather is just now starting to get nice enough to diagnose it. The trans switch lit a bulb over my head, though. Thanks for your videos.

[@clausnepperchristiansen7394]

T-shoot videos are the best 👍

[@sumosidnz]

This kinda troubleshooting is GOAT. Many shops would have started throwing parts at it.. Awesome work.

[@timetryp422]

Many mechanics can't diagnose properly.

[@georgestone1282]

Good morning,,,,had to get my morning mechanical fix 😅. Another expected good video presentation. George from Indiana

[@DaveB-e8m]

Nice bit of fault finding. Impressive.

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Awesome video especially when you show us your thinking process step by step! Nice Ray!!

[@n3vmt126]

Surprised didn't try the gear shift jiggle both before and after, just my observation still great video and diag.

[@johnnoblet7705]

Excellent diagnostic sense. Very methodical and thoughtful. Great job.

[@bhagmeister]

If it’s anything like a 2001 W210 mercedes, it’s a fault in the transmission shifter assembly electronics 🍸 Nice diag, Ray!

[@tortugam1045]

Dang, you are smart as a whip!

[@mitchfarley]

Impressive Ray man!

[@robinkloster3448]

Great content! hello from Norway!

[@DocZoidberg549]

Yessss, a longer video 👍

[@jimwalker7665]

Ray, you called it a simple fix but it was only simple after you did an excellent job of diagnosing. You avoided replacing a lot of parts that were good. You should get paid a lot for diagnosing.

[@fahisaurus]

Ray there is a TSB 17-AT-005 from Hyundai about this issue, and one of the symptoms is "Intermittent no engine crank/no start in “P” or “N” with or without MIL or DTC.". It's a known issue. My old landlord had the same car and issue. You'd have to row it between park and neutral before it would start. More often than not, it starts in neutral vs park.

[@TheHonestL1ar]

That's probably why the new one looked different and oreillys had it on the shelf

[@zaiks0105]

Nice!

[@SeanBZA]

Old original one gets water in it, and as the safety start is on the bottom, that fails before the display starts to give false readings. Bottom is the safety switch, and the reverse light, top is the trans position switch. Most common would be start failure, but another clue is the reverse lamps either glowing dimly, or being burnt out from being on all the time.

[@iowasandy]

I missed the parts disassembly to see what failed in the NSS switch! Good basic trouble shooting. I look forward every morning to see a new clip as I am retired and do not see customers problems anymore, just my own!

[@SeanBZA]

Those switches are a common failure, the recess at the top allows water in, corroding the safety switch, which is on the bottom of the switch. You note the new switch is a different design, including both no more recess, and a seal that is improved to keep the switch dry inside. If you look at the wiring diagram there is actually a option for the switch, used in the manual version, where the vehicle will not start unless the clutch pedal is fully pressed. That switch too is known to give problems, but being protected is less likely to suffer from water ingress and the corrosion from that, more than not simply falling apart as the plastic goes brittle.

[@medic2834]

Very nice diag sequence Ray

[@michaelpatton5012]

Great video Ray.

[@kdmq]

To all those saying "No crank no start" is redundant, it's not! Sometimes cars will still push start when they don't crank, so a "No crank start" is 100% possible and I even had one on my own car once.

[@crosstolerance]

Learning so much from your diagnostic videos!

[@golf25radioman]

Very interesting diag tour thru the starting circuit. And excellent commenting on the way. Thanks for the "very good video" - as you always say.

[@RobHughes-oh3yg]

Outstanding work my friend!!!

[@johnmanchester6995]

Wish you lived near me. You are so freaking smart!