Raised Reversed Stem - The RR Stem might be the future of Mountain Bikes.

[@Chasing-Daydream]

Dude. When I asked my Trek shop to move the spacers on my Marlin 8s headset so the bars sat higher. They looked at me like I was crazy. I told them, I felt like if I could just sit taller in the saddle it would take the pain out if my neck, let me see the trail better, and give me more control of the bike. They shrugged me off but did what I asked. And man, it made a huge difference with just that small space. I can't help but wonder how much better the RR Stem would feel and maneuver. Thanks for letting us meet the maker and learn a little more bout the stem.

[@mtb_alan]

My pleasure! Bronson is legit.

[@dadventuretv2538]

That’s cause most large bike shops don’t know squat about mtbs or mtb geometry. Gotta go to a LBS that really specializes in MTBs.

[@setransou]

As long as your climbs are not steep…

[@hwtmtb]

The RR stem is awesome. I have one, and it's improved my riding immensely.

[@Lee-ic2yn]

@@dadventuretv2538 nah trek shops all have people who know what they're talking aboit They have two desks in my local, one for sales guys one for mechanics

[@stumpy25lbs]

I saw Seth's video but this was better actually meeting the inventor! 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@mtb_alan]

Wow! Thanks for saying so! 🙏🏾

[@bemorebikes]

Thank you! 😄

[@BasicBeachCommunity1]

Okay I take back my initial opinion it does actually function super well... I actually think there's going to be a huge audience for this product. You don't have to have a completely different bike in order to get the ride feel of a more upright bike.

[@dadventuretv2538]

Ive been wanting to try this concept by jerry rigging higher riser bars and zero mm stem for a while now. Think I might get this and try it out. Anyone that understands MTB geometry understands what this man is onto. Like most things with mtbs, we have to clear our minds as to how bikes are built and have been built, and start with a clean slate of how they should be built for optimum performance of what we do mtbing. Everything that makes modern mtbs as good as they currently are was once thought of as weird too. My one big question is climbing. Now off to try to buy it.

[@mtb_alan]

Heck yeah! I like your thinking. 🏆

[@dadventuretv2538]

@@mtb_alan first change on my mtb was a 35 mm stem and 30 mm rise bars, and I feel like even further back and higher would be better. Sam Pilgrim did a video where he put bmx bars on a mtb. It was extreme so it’s a funny vid, but it def demonstrated the benefits of the concept of a more properly thought out set up. Btw- those trails looked fun af!

[@mtb_alan]

@@dadventuretv2538 🤘🏾😆

[@hwtmtb]

Get it bud. I run it, and I can't imagine going back.

[@bemorebikes]

I actually greatly prefer climbing with the RR stem relative to a traditional stem, and many of my customers like the climbing more too. With a traditional low and forward offset stem, when you are climbing something steep and trying to leverage yourself forward when pedaling hard, you can’t really pull back on the bars to keep yourself forward without the front end starting to wander and flop around uncontrollably. This is because with the forward offset of traditional stems, the bars pull closer to you when they turn. To compensate for this, riders tend to ride elbows up and pulling more up on the bars. This can lead to the front wheel lifting during hard pedal strokes. Finding that balance between pulling the front up to stop it from wandering, and pulling the bars back to stop it from lifting is a constant challenge that typically is dealt with by lowering your bars so low that you are basically falling forward onto them with straighter arms to support your body. With the Reversed offset of the RR stem, the bars pull closer to you when they stabilize straight, so the front end doesn’t wander and flop around uncontrollably. Because of this, you can ride with low relaxed and bent elbows and shoulders while pulling back and slightly down so that the front isn’t lifting. On more mellow climbs, you have a much more comfortable upright position with an open chest for easy breathing, and minimal weight supported on your hands.

[@victorchiappetta3230]

I’m so much happier switching to an XL after being told to ride an L frame for decades. Same story. Much better position. No soreness at the end of the ride. More confident on downhills. Interesting concept.

[@petertautiaveteasanau8506]

This is one of the best innovations of our cycling age

[@TammyDenseDdank5658]

Ive been using the raised stem for like 3-4 years now, back and arms hurt less for normal non competitive cardio riding, aero/speed is not of concern. Looks and fells really good on downhill bikes. Adventure bikes Tenere 700/660 also have similar sitting positions.

[@ettube8686]

I've wondered for years why mountain bikes had such cramped uncomfortable bars motorcycle cycles did this back in the 1970s

[@jammerlr7780]

Seems like it would prevent being able to get a low hinge and also create a pretty extreme rear weight bias, hence him having to resort to odd body positioning. Looks like his solution to a symptom, not a problem.

[@terryfong9110]

I am no expert in mtb but once I changed my flat handlebar to a raised handlebar, rightaway I gained huge confidence in bike handling.

[@branleesan]

I’m glad I’m just getting started in the mtb territory. I’m not biased in any one way and this has my interest

[@SemiSendy]

NGL, I’m extremely curious about this. I really like Bronson’s outside the box thinking.

[@mtb_alan]

Yeah man! Bronson has an engineer's mind.

[@bemorebikes]

Thank you! 😄

[@bemorebikes]

@@mtb_alan🥹

[@cavemanrob]

This is the second video I have seen about this (BermPeak did one, too) and I am intrigued by Bronson and his improvements on the downhill element of the gooseneck.

[@parkaenriquez]

I think his right on the RR STEAM. I think It help even on the climb, cause you do not have to be bent over. You pedaling with your body up right, you can put more strength on the legs as you climb

[@jason-dy5ou]

It sets the bike up similar to a enduro dirtbike. The handlebar is mounted directly to the fork with the tripple clamps.

[@oogabooga4047]

love that this man has like a $20 helmet and a $5k bike

[@TheRicardoSanchez]

Ok I totally get this. Couple thoughts…. 1)this reduces the reach by quite a bit. Tough to tell by how much, but prob 50-75mm? 2)Increasing stack brings bars closer + decrease stem length brings bars closer…. Compound effect. Minus-30-50mm stem alone….. that would turn my XL reach into a medium. Don’t you feel jammed up?? Bike too small….. Like moving your driver seat way closer to the steering wheel. I’m curious how a 0mm stem + 25-50mm of steerer tube spacers would equate/feel. Even just go 0mm stem - where the bars are clamped right in line with the steerer tube. Then add 10deg backsweep. And 35mm rise bars. I absolutely dig this idea. Someone else here noted the way his neck feels ….. I’m 6-1 and my XL Hightower “fits” me but you’re still leaning forward on the bars so you get that neck pinch going down trail. I have always slammed my stems down for more aggressive posture. But now that I’m a 51 year old fart, I’ve been thinking about raising stem just to ease the neck pinch. Keeps developing this. Excellent brainwork there sir. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🚵🏻‍♂️

[@mtb_alan]

I'll let Bronson answer your questions, but I will say that 1) it's mostly about adjusting position to work with the bar position and 2) I'm 50, and my farts are never old...always fresh.

[@bemorebikes]

1) This is true, the RR (Raised Reversed) stem does bring your hands notably closer. 2) No. The RR stems Raised height pairs perfectly with the closer hand position from the Reversed offset so that you don’t need to upsize your bike. Typically to have a good angle of your arms to the bars and enough bend at the elbows for moving around in good form, you’re hinged forward at the hips such that your back is fairly horizontal. With the more upright position of the RR stem, you don’t need to account for as much horizontal torso length in the cockpit. Also, the total distance between your feet and hands increases for a roomier feel. I’m 5’8” and I’ve tested the RR stem on bikes with reaches from 405mm to 500mm, and I am always faster and in more control with an RR stem. I find about 460mm is a good sweet spot for me. The RR stem was developed over almost 3 years testing anything from below traditional height to about 80mm taller than the RR stem you now see, and anything from 70mm forward to -50mm Reversed always benchmarking against the traditional 50mm - 35mm stem. The RR stem that you see here is the culmination of all that testing to find the best Enduro mtb stem geometry. A 0mm stem with + 25-50mm of steerer tube spacers would be notably lower, and would similarly have your hands behind the steering axis due to the backsweep of the bars, but less than the RR stems -15mm offset. It would perform better than a traditional 50mm - 35mm stem in many ways, but not as well as the RR stem. The RR stems Raised position puts the rider in a very comfortable upright position. This makes keeping your head up to look far ahead easier, and reduces how much your neck back and hips need to bend.

[@noelbrown6771]

Very BMX riding style. That's cool! I like the experimentation. MTB riders of today are too beholden to the bike manufacturers ideals. Have some courage make your bike your own. Innovate. Don't wait for the manufacturers to do something radical. Their bikes all look the same. There was a time when the bike shops shook their heads at my 2.2" tires running low pressures and my riser bars. I had em years before bike society allowed them to not be ridiculed, and started promoting them.

[@jeffedmundson3934]

More up-right takes pressure off the cervical spine. Bronson is a breath of fresh air.

[@ZFit11]

Love the design and application this stem allows his riding to progress to for DH racing. Not loving the price, but I'm sure that's due to it's low volume production for now. This could be the future of DH stems! Great video!

[@ianstuart5689]

If anyone has ridden a BMX they will know there is a sweet spot front to back with the bars and this is usually in line with the forks. Too front it’s twitchy too back it’s slack. Using this principle it’s like he turned a MTB into a BMX riding position. As MTB’s evolved from cross and road bikes I can see the legacy.

[@uldi1s]

Only for those who prefer high stacks. Myself, I prefer the lowest bar height possible, but have to say I'm intrigued by the "behind the steerer tube axis" position

[@pasha_houston]

Redesign it and I'll buy it. Bolts facing the rider isn't good sometimes your knees end up there on a crash. Also black color perhaps would be a good start. But I can see it being helpful (rode motorcycles and I can understand where he is coming from w it)

[@benjy288]

That's gonna take a lot of weight off the front end, making it super easy to washout while cornering.

[@ShadeAkeley]

Not really, you're actually applying more pressure on your side-knobs with this system as you have more leverage over it and you can lean the bike more because your arms are not over-extended already

[@benjy288]

@@ShadeAkeley I don't see how, you still weigh the same, its your weight distribution that makes the difference, and with the bars so high it means less weight on the front tyre, plus more lean angle doesn't necessarily mean more grip.

[@ShadeAkeley]

@@benjy288 kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6HchZ-EeZ52q9E&ab_channel=BermPeakExpress Seth's analysis will be better than me trying to explain on a long-ass paragraph in a language that is foreign to me. What is described makes sense to my specific physiology at least, and I can see why it would be an interesting concept. This being said, this looks so awful that it's probably never going to take off because let's be honest, we all like our bikes to look cool.

[@mikeyp3694]

This was my thinking too. Being a tinkerer if I go too short of a stem and too high of a stack height eventually I get to where getting just enough weight on the front wheel requires a ton of body English. Very cool concept and I'm all for folks pushing the innovation limits to see if there is a better mouse trap out there.

[@doddsyist]

The biggest issue I see with riders trying this stem is that it will make the bike feel at least one size too small. Most notably for climbing. Might be worth trying for anyone who thinks their bike is currently a size too big. Had a bike art stem in 2000ish that sat directly above the handlebars on my Kona stinky deluxe. Was good.

[@growlith6969]

If that's the case I would love it. I usually ride a size too large because I'm used to riding moto bikes and most mtb bikes feel flimsy and tiny. So a nice big emtb and that stem and I will be in heaven.

[@jeremiahlewis9288]

That’s how motocross bikes are set up so why wouldn’t a mountain bike go in that direction

[@Froff]

Hell yeah dude what a great video. I’m keen to check out the RR stem after watching Bronson shred!

[@mtb_alan]

Yew! Heck yeah!

[@auralarcheology]

AGST-Around if anyone was wondering what the amazing song is at the beginning of this awesome video is. already looking into this stem by the way! TY ALAN

[@mtb_alan]

Thanks Elan!

[@claremontinteriorsmw]

Seeing this a few times now it's growing on me I can theoretically see the function of it Unfortunately a little bit expensive to try one out especially if you can't get on with it Looks a well made piece of engineering 👌

[@STLMTB]

That is probably because with just limited runs it is going to be expensive to produce. If one of the big bike cos or parts companies can get behind him and help produce in larger qty, the price should go down drastically.

[@mtb_alan]

🎯

[@bemorebikes]

DemoWorx is offering an RR stem rental program. For $50 they will ship the RR stem to and from you. You can use the RR stem on your bike and your trails for up to 7 days. If you like it, you can get a 10% off code from me to use towards the purchase of an RR stem.

[@eddierobinson7651]

Motocross geo!

[@mtb_alan]

🤯

[@bemorebikes]

The RR (Raised Reversed) stems position is very similar to a dirt bike both in stack and reach feet to hands and having your hands behind the steering axis. It’s interesting to me how similar they are considering the RR stem was not inspired by or designed to emulate the position of a dirt bike. I don’t even ride dirt bikes. The RR stem was developed over almost 3 years testing anything from below traditional height to about 80mm taller than the RR stem you now see, and anything from 70mm forward to -50mm Reversed always benchmarking against the traditional 50mm - 35mm stem. The RR stem that you see here is the culmination of all that testing to find the best Enduro mtb stem geometry.

[@tombeck129]

I can easily see the advantages for DH, technical rides, but it seems very upright for XC racing. I see this more as a specific discipline tool rather than the future of all mountain bike disciplines.

[@krtong]

it's interesting that this is basically a motorcycle style riser.

[@bemorebikes]

The RR (Raised Reversed) stems position is very similar to a dirt bike both in stack and reach feet to hands and having your hands behind the steering axis. It’s interesting to me how similar they are considering the RR stem was not inspired by or designed to emulate the position of a dirt bike. I don’t even ride dirt bikes. The RR stem was developed over almost 3 years testing anything from below traditional height to about 80mm taller than the RR stem you now see, and anything from 70mm forward to -50mm Reversed always benchmarking against the traditional 50mm - 35mm stem. The RR stem that you see here is the culmination of all that testing to find the best Enduro mtb stem geometry.

[@OZMDPrime]

I've seen that device for couple of days now and everyone seems to luv it. I wanna congratulate the creator, because he kinda fixes the dive problem of the current gen bikes by reducing the RAD. Reducing the RAD increases the maneuverabilty. I've used this principle in my 21st century bike - Балкански Лев(Balkan Lion). I'll get it done by Eurobike. How does pedaling and transfering the power to the rear and front wheel sound to you? Well, you can expect this and more from the King of the Mountains.

[@emrhomeworks9979]

Judging by your side by side comparison your bike appears to have around 20mm more travel than stem guys bike so there’s that. as for the rest of it, floppy front ends aren’t really an issue anymore and if you hit the right thing at the right angle an OTB is going to happen no matter what stem you’re running.

[@bemorebikes]

Floppy steering with slacker bikes is still an issue, as is evident by canyons K.I.S. steering stabilizer system coming out recently. I would argue that the RR stem is a better way to reduce wheel flop than their spring loaded system that tries to keep it stable from going side to side. Just because you can ride around the drawbacks of a traditional system, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. It can be hard though to realize how much you are compensating for unstable steering geometries until you no longer have too. When I get back on a bike setup traditional after riding the RR stem, the steering feels super floppy and the bike feels much harder to maneuver. While it is true that in some situations going OTB is inevitable no matter the bike geo, stem geo, or rider ability, I would still argue that it is advantages to seek to reduce the likely hood of it happening in the ones that can be avoided with better geometry. The RR stem is not just about reducing floppy steering dynamics and reducing your chances of going over the bars. The Raised height helps improve the riders stance with a better arm angle to the bars for confidence, proper bend in the elbows for control, and more rider weight supported by their legs instead of arms. It also gives a longer and better angled lever between their hands and feet to give them more leverage for maneuvering the bike. These help the rider to feel more comfortable and confident, and makes the bike more maneuverable. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics. Since it arcs out instead of in when turning relative to the frame, it allows the rider to position themselves on the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike in further for a kinematically tighter turn. The hand to front axle position parallels a 58 degree headtube angle for ultimate confidence in steep terrain, with a steering feel that is less floppy and more direct than the stock headtube angle of the bike with a traditional stem. These help the rider corner much better with improved feel of the front end, keep better balance in loose terrain, and feel more confident in steep terrain.

[@Big-O86]

Great piece of engineering and very well articulated!!! My mind won’t stop me from thinking bmx flatland handlebars

[@Zestybwoi]

Another way to go about this would be raising the stack height and tilting some high rise bars to gibe you some back sweep. But then again you'd be missing out on that extra cool look 😎

[@InsufficientSleep]

I'm using a direct mount stem on my downhill bike to get the handlebars as close to me as I could with the parts I could find and I also use a riser bar to get the handlebars higher. It puts me in a little more relaxed upraised position which I prefer over the "aggressive'' forward position

[@mtb_alan]

💥

[@lancejarman1]

I've done the same.....28mm Direct mount stem and 40mm rise bars

[@Zestybwoi]

​@@lancejarman1 Did you also tilt them back for some back sweep, thinking of trying this.

[@JordanBoostmaster]

dang that is so interesting, it's getting me really thinking more about how to design a custom frame around a 300mm fork like my Supermonster! "Boostmonster V2" Since you're forced into having lots of stack with that fork

[@dazman5152]

That would be some tall front end for sure.

[@mtb_alan]

🤯

[@JordanBoostmaster]

@@dazman5152 haha I wouldn't use that stem with a supermonster fork, I mean that it gives a similar stack already without the raise of that stem

[@dazman5152]

@@JordanBoostmaster that would put you over the back of the bike way too much

[@KevinSmithStrikeman]

@@JordanBoostmaster Im no expert but Bronson stem does put you in a more standing up position like a motox biker.

[@tonkshred]

As someone who broke his front teeth on his stem 22 years ago this scares me ! 😂😂😂 Looks awesome for downhill totally natural. Does it not put your weight over the rear tire more? My main issue w 63 head angle bikes is no front tire contact on tight hairpins when racing- pisgah is all pretty darn tight and i haven’t seen anything wide open like you are riding here since i moved to WNC. Lived in cali more than a decade the fire road races were only on gary littlejohns…. iFykyk

[@sripavanv]

If you get a riser bar (40-60mm) and raise it with spacers , you can rotate the handle bar around and have exact same effect.

[@janeblogs324]

1:52 easily. Won't cost $400 and look like a disabled dad product

[@Zenpedaler]

I see everyone raving about it. but it’s no different than buying a high rise bar and rotating it slightly. There will be a difficult to climb though. So there is a trade off

[@californianomad4333]

Pssst , hey just get old school bmx bars and you get the best of both worlds, you all are over thinking everything, yup I know genius ha !

[@bemorebikes]

1:33 The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is not the same as a very tall bar such as a bmx bar. The RR stem is both Raised and Reversed. Due to this your hands will be notably behind the steering axis of your frame instead of in front as they traditionally are. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics. Since it arcs out instead of in when turning relative to the frame, it allows the rider to position themselves on the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike in further for a kinematically tighter turn. The hand to front axle position parallels a 58 degree headtube angle for ultimate confidence in steep terrain, with a steering feel that is less floppy and more direct than the stock headtube angle of the bike with a traditional stem. These help the rider corner much better with improved feel of the front end, keep better balance in loose terrain, and feel more confident in steep terrain. A really tall bar or even a long steerer tube with a bunch of spacers or a stem riser would just be higher up without the Reversed offset, and as such will perform a lot differently. A really tall bar is also not ideal because it will move your hands quite significantly relative to the steering axis when adjusting bar role, and is more reliant on having a very strong hold at the bar clamp on the stem to keep the bar from slipping forward and back.

[@teslatacos9806]

Interesting stem and body position

[@mtb_alan]

🤘🏾

[@erikandmarcie]

I've been using a stem like this for years and it's awesome

[@mpeay3945]

I just don't cut my steer tube. I sit more upright, have less neck pain, and down hill feels so much more stable.

[@techdeezout9201]

This stem is actually very interesting, in that, it helps out with cornering. I’m all for new bike tech…

[@rawmancemtb]

Yeah I already run a full stack of spacers and 5cm riser with backsweep and 4cm stem. Would still like it to be further back and slightly higher.

[@TrailDogsMTB]

Heck yeah Bronson is a rad dude! Love the video 🙌🏻

[@mtb_alan]

💯 Bronson is a rad dude.

[@-kaster--kaster-6090]

How does it feel on big/steep jumps ?

[@2496yply]

This is so cool Bronson 🎉looks so advanced

[@TheShift1313]

This looks crazy for sure and its hard to visualize riding this without trying. How does it hinder or help hops? If i do a propper bunny hop the bars are in my waist. It seems like this might reduce some height but at the same time you are changing your leverage. Great now my brain hurts :)

[@mtb_alan]

LOL! 🧠 🔨 There's a bit of footy of Bronson hitting a jump and you can see his kind of bunny hop movement.

[@KevinSmithStrikeman]

Yer for sure you will lose some maximum height in bunny hopping but you gain ease and consistancy. Im trying out a steerer extension atm and I like it alot but would be better with the RR stem.

[@grounddodger3212]

Bro can ride thats for sure, loving watching him on those switch backs

[@bemorebikes]

Thank you! 😊 Cornering is one of the best parts of riding with the RR (Raised Reversed) Stem. The Reversed offset does wonders for how much you can lean the bike and how tight you can turn. Your hands are also much closer to the contact patch of the tire along the steering geometry, so you have much better feel and response of the front wheel when starting to drift.

[@grounddodger3212]

@@bemorebikes yeh man it looks like you didn't have to get into any unusual body positions to get that bike leant over. How do you find it for jumping and technical / steep downhill?

[@bemorebikes]

1:49 3:31 The RR stems Raised height gives an often longer and better angled lever between your hands and feet for imparting larger forces into the bike. This makes the bike much easier to maneuver in the air, and allows you to drive through the lip of a jump much harder to create more pop. The more upright and closer hand position allows you to comfortably ride with minimal to no weight on your hands while still having enough bend at your elbows to have plenty of range of motion. When landing large jumps to flat, you can fully extend your body upright to have your entire range of motion ready to absorb the landing largely through your legs, which are much stronger than your arms. 2:30 0:11 That same longer and better angled lever that makes the bike easier to pop off lips also makes the bike much easier to maneuver in technical terrain. Lifting the front wheel and bunny hopping is made easier, and quick direction changes take much less effort. The RR stem gives a really nice locked in feeling where the bike just follows you to wherever you are trying to take it and allows you to flow down the trail with ease. The Reversed offset's ability to calm the floppiness of the steering makes the bike much easier to balance and keep the bike in a straight line when riding at lower speeds. 4:33 The RR stems Reversed offset gives the rider a hand to front axle position that parallels an around 58° head tube angle. This greatly reduces your endo angle so that you are less likely to go over the bars, and allows you to charge harder knowing and feeling how your front wheel will roll over large obstacles with greater ease. The RR stems Raised position puts your arms at a better angle to the bars so that if you get sent forward, you are in a position to brace yourself against the bars instead of getting flung over the bars. The combination of both the Raised height and the Reversed offset greatly reduces your ability to go over the bars, and allows you to get into a more rearward position so that you can brake harder and feel calm and controlled when charging down steep terrain. The reduced hand lead of the RR stem also makes it so that there is a less pronounced, but still existent, self-centering force at the bars when using the brakes compared to a traditional forward stem. This means that changing direction when braking hard becomes much easier and you won’t feel like you’re stuck going straight. All of these also help with ease of riding on unfamiliar trails. It was my first time riding the trails in the video, but I could still feel confident charging because I knew I could effectively react to unexpected trail features. 🙂

[@hallowed45]

i have my Giant set up as a hybrid. only really ride the streets. did not cut my rockshox fork.added an extension to that then a adjustable stem then diety hi rise bars. have almost the exact same position but i made mine so it would be more comfortable to ride. maybe if it came in different colors and price comes down i would consider buying one of these stems. \MM/

[@craigengelman1369]

same as a dirt bike so makes since .

[@phillmtb4413]

Ich finde es maximal merkwürdig, Jahre lang werden die Bikes länger, flacher und die Vorbauten kürzer und man merkt ja den Unterschied von moderner zu alten Geos 🤔

[@MTBMCP]

Didn't Mondraker and Fab Barel launch a similar thing about 10 years ago and then shelved it because it didn't work?

[@Mark_B544]

I had an engineer cast one for me for $40. Stuff paying $500 for it !!

[@truman4956]

Lee likes bike channel advocates something very similar. Bikes have gotten too long and this stem helps negate this.

[@mtb_alan]

🤘🏾

[@bartman376]

Makes sense. Same as a motocross bikes geometry.

[@dvoob]

great for the downhills but I don't think this is worth it for anyone, unless your main focus is racing enduro/dh and you shuttle for most of your riding.

[@bemorebikes]

I actually greatly prefer climbing with the RR stem relative to a traditional stem, and many of my customers like the climbing more too. With a traditional low and forward offset stem, when you are climbing something steep and trying to leverage yourself forward when pedaling hard, you can’t really pull back on the bars to keep yourself forward without the front end starting to wander and flop around uncontrollably. This is because with the forward offset of traditional stems, the bars pull closer to you when they turn. To compensate for this, riders tend to ride elbows up and pulling more up on the bars. This can lead to the front wheel lifting during hard pedal strokes. Finding that balance between pulling the front up to stop it from wandering, and pulling the bars back to stop it from lifting is a constant challenge that typically is dealt with by lowering your bars so low that you are basically falling forward onto them with straighter arms to support your body. With the Reversed offset of the RR stem, the bars pull closer to you when they stabilize straight, so the front end doesn’t wander and flop around uncontrollably. Because of this, you can ride with low relaxed and bent elbows and shoulders while pulling back and slightly down so that the front isn’t lifting. On more mellow climbs, you have a much more comfortable upright position with an open chest for easy breathing, and minimal weight supported on your hands.

[@PghMtbRides]

I mean, doesn't a riser bar with backsweep accomplish the same thing Such as a Soma Dream bar?

[@Korps412]

Future is now.

[@CatWith-AHat]

The question is does this effect the structural integrity with more tourqe being applied in different areas?

[@frozenshade666]

So… please explain how raising the bar 100mm provide more torque than a long 100mm forward stem…

[@austinado16]

I'm wondering if Bronson can do a 2nd version that is able to be articulated forward and down into a tradition position, in an arc with multiple set points, so that the rider can adjust it for certain types of riding or terrain?

[@Sam9wilson9]

Would be cool to try. Slightly concerned of less weight on front tire & losing some traction in turns… Ideas?

[@TommyBlazeHD]

As someone who used to ride motorcycles, I have been wanting this for a long time on my MTB!!! But for $400 BMB can go kick rocks!

[@bemorebikes]

The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is not just a stem. Most of the time a more expensive stem does not offer a more advanced ride characteristic, it offers a higher quality of craftsmanship and material. This has both the quality of craftsmanship and material being CNC machined in Covina CA out of aerospace grade 7075 T6 aluminum by me, alongside a ride revolutionizing performance out on the trail. I am consistently faster, and in more control with an RR stem. The RR stems Raised height gives me a longer and better angled lever between my hands and my feet to leverage and maneuver the bike with greater ease. This helps when jumping, navigating technical terrain, and generally playing about on the trail. The RR stems Reversed offset helps to calm the floppy feeling you get with slack bikes while also running parallel to the hand to front axle position of a bike with a 58 degree headtube angle. It also allows the rider to stay towards the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike over more for a kinematically tighter turn. This helps with cornering confidence and speed.

[@xx-----------xx873]

so it's a stem mate correct? What's the price on some high rise bars in comparison? LOL@@bemorebikes

[@bemorebikes]

@@xx-----------xx873 The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is not the same as just getting really high rise bars. The RR stem is both Raised and Reversed. Due to this your hands will be notably behind the steering axis of your frame instead of in front as they traditionally are. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics. Since it arcs out instead of in when turning relative to the frame, it allows the rider to position themselves on the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike in further for a kinematically tighter turn. The hand to front axle position parallels a 58 degree headtube angle for ultimate confidence in steep terrain, with a steering feel that is less floppy and more direct than the stock headtube angle of the bike with a traditional stem. These help the rider corner much better with improved feel of the front end, keep better balance in loose terrain, and feel more confident in steep terrain. A really tall bar or even a long steerer tube with a bunch of spacers or a stem riser would just be higher up without the Reversed offset, and as such will perform a lot differently. A really tall bar is also not ideal because it will move your hands quite significantly relative to the steering axis when adjusting bar role, and is more reliant on having a very strong hold at the bar clamp on the stem to keep the bar from slipping forward and back.

[@xx-----------xx873]

Ah so different offset, cool. Still would just buy 3 inch riser bar myself but I at least see why someone would want it. @@bemorebikes

[@dexgray4581]

*PLEASE HELP* Any difference between doing this modification versus 4 inch raised handlebars? Technically both look ridiculous I’m sure… But I have such a long torso and looking for help to remedy for my electric mountain bike set up! Thank you! 🙏

[@mtb_alan]

What are you hoping to solve?

[@dexgray4581]

@@mtb_alan would like to sit more up right so as to alleviate back pain. I don’t care how ridiculous I may look, just asking advice on if I should do something Ike this or near bmx size handle bars? Thank you

[@mtb_alan]

I think if you're mostly looking to be more upright, you might be better off adjusting your stack height and/or getting riser bars. You might also adjust your seat position and angle. Might not hurt to get a bike fit. FWIW, doing work on your core strength, hip and thoracic mobility can go a long way and could improve your overall fitness.

[@dexgray4581]

@@mtb_alan 100% thank you! And yes, I’m a skateboarder and focus on core as well as legs/upper… it’s just a slight issue I like to solve with advice before diving into something a bit new for me (which a mtb set up would be that new’ish thing) Longer torso and neck, make me ask questions before going harder 👌 thanks for the help, brother!

[@mtb_alan]

@@dexgray4581 no worries. Fellow skater here. Though haven’t been the board much since getting on the bike. 😆

[@machyne82]

Banshee has really tall stacks. That’s my main reason for riding them.

[@Jertahoe]

Ride a dirt bike, it's very similar. Love it.

[@quadrum41]

head-tube extender and a reverse installed short stem, if you wand too try it before you buy it 😆

[@parkaenriquez]

I would like to Buy one of those steams

[@nigehill]

I think riding a Downhill rig with 200mm travel will give the same feeling

[@icantgivecredit871]

Bike head tubes may need to become longer for sure. Think about what a downhill fork does to the steering position of a downhill bike; I think trail bikes will eventually do just that, but that it may be accomplished with exactly what was described in the video: a taller head tube rather than a taller stem. This stem is just a proof of concept. In the future, I suspect we'll see this sort of thing become more tightly integrated into the bike's geometry. When that day comes, it will be amazing to consider that current bikes will in retrospect be considered sketchy.

[@Juos10kustu]

first they make dh bike frames too long and low... then they have to put this kinda stem to make it the old style :D just go back to oldschool dh bikes and problem solved. they should start to make the marzocchi super monsters again. we need them!!

[@TRG36]

So how was the climbing? I always use the shortest stem I can and 80mm risers. Just puts you in a more balanced, athletic posistion.

[@mtb_alan]

I thought it would be clever to ask Bronson about the climbing while we were climbing. I was huffing and puffing so loudly into the microphone that the footage was unusable. 🤦🏾‍♂️😅

[@bemorebikes]

The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is better climbing than a traditional stem. When pedaling hard in the saddle on a steep climb, you often leverage your body forward by pulling the bars back towards you. With a traditional stem that arcs towards you when you turn the bars, that force between your seat and bars tries to pull and turn the bars. This leads to a wandering front end that can feel torquey and floppy. You can compensate for this some by either pulling up more than back, or moving the bars lower so that you are effectively falling forward onto them. This can lead to other issues such as your lower back starting to hurt from hunching over, your arms straightening out and giving you less range of motion to maneuver and balance, and reducing weight on the rear wheel that needs traction. With the RR stems Raised height, you are in a more comfortable upright position with relaxed arms at a good bend, and an open chest for easy breathing. The Reversed offset makes the stem arc away from you so that your bars pull straight. This reduces the wandering and floppy steering of a traditional stem so that you can direct the bike around where you want to go and balance easier. With a traditional low and forward stem, you are pulling up more than back with extended arms because you can’t pull back without the front increasing its wandering. This can actually make the front more prone to lifting until you get so low that you are basically falling forward onto your arms. Doing so would have your arms about locked and your hands weighted. This makes the front more resistant to easily rolling over obstacles and can make your rear wheel more prone to slipping due to the decreased weight on it. With the RR stem you climb with higher hands and lowered relaxed bent elbows. This position means that you pull the bars back towards you and even a bit down more than up on steep climbs. This keeps you from sliding back on your seat without lifting the front wheel when you are pedaling hard, while also keeping the front wheel from wandering, and letting it roll over trail obstacles with ease.

[@mrskywalker115]

@@bemorebikes Could you just run a regular stem in reverse position to simulate the affect or would that be greater offset than your stem? I didnt see what the offset is anywhere looking into it. Obviously the height would be lower so the more relaxed arm position wont be as much of a benefit As for the affect it makes sense why it is more stable/less floppy as its similar to a wrench once you pass the perpendicular point pulling towards you. The more you pull the leverage decreases where on the other side of perpendicular pull path it increases leverage. That would make sense that as centering you have more leverage as it moves and as it leaves center it looses leverage thus its almost an additional self centering. Really surprised this hasnt been tried sooner as I sorted all this just thinking about it, but obviously havent tried it to see what it feels like lol

[@durrantmiller8810]

@@bemorebikes ive heard that it atually makes it harder to keep the fron't wheel planted on steep stuff due to the further back body position

[@michaelskarda2493]

I used to have wrist pain on a 951 trail. I got a Pivot Shuttle Team XTR and it is much better. The shuttle reviews complain about a too high stem. RR-22-004 is gold. Do you have a black model? I subscribed to your channel.

[@yovni]

Wayawa. This is cool. Gonna try this on my 2022 Wild. Could it mean my kids could enjoy riding my XL machine when they should be riding an M or an L?

[@50.Baryshikov]

Did you run this in your Wild? I’m intrigued but haven’t bit the bullet yet.

[@yovni]

@@50.Baryshikov I would like to try it if it means my teenagers could enjoy riding my bike, too. Hell, will get one anyway.

[@50.Baryshikov]

@@yovni I’m super intrigued. I hate how the thing looks but the performance benefits seem really compelling.

[@nyreppin1]

I believe this is the wave of the future for some. A lot of us suffer from pain and numbness in our hands from leaning on our bars too much. This idea of longer head tubes might allow guys who just want to ride all day the ability to do so. Take Amsterdam for example, they ride more bikes than anywhere else in the world and they ride uprights. With that being said there will still be a place for aggressive body positions as well.

[@growlith6969]

Had not thought about this, but I would LOVE to give my hands a break, and on dirt bikes I'm much more used to a heads up riding position where you pivot everything from the hips. Would be great to carry that over instead of changing style.

[@fetB]

Funny isnt it, because the head tubes come fairly long out of the gate

[@bemorebikes]

The RR stem does help quite a bit with reducing hand fatigue. I find that it helps both by having me support all of my weight through my feet which puts very little load on my hands when riding, and also by giving me so much more confidence, I don’t brake as much so I don’t need to brace against my hands as much through rough braking bumps. I would argue that the RR stem allows a more effective aggressive riding and body positioning than with a traditional stem. Many mtb coaches recommend supporting all of your body weight through your feet and being balanced over the bottom bracket with minimal weight in your hands and good bend in your arms when riding in the attack position. The attack position originated in MX as a strong stable stance that lets the bike move underneath you with good bike body separation, good mobility, and gives good control and confidence. The RR stem through its independent testing process, trying various heights and offsets over nearly 3 years, has ended up putting the riders hands at a stack and reach that happens to be practically the same as what you would find on a MX bike. That same attack position can now be used properly on an mtb. If you are balanced over the bottom bracket, then your arms can be properly bent and loose to allow good mobility and the bike can kind of teeter up and down around the bottom bracket underneath you. Also, I feel more comfortable getting forward towards the bars with the RR stem when needed because I have a good arm angle to the bars so that I am supporting into the bars instead of falling over them. This really helps with confidence in steep terrain because I can keep balanced over my feet with a good bend in my arms for control, and I am better braced for hard braking when needed.

[@bemorebikes]

@@growlith6969 The RR (Raised Reversed) stems position is very similar to a dirt bike both in stack and reach feet to hands and having your hands behind the steering axis. It’s interesting to me how similar they are considering the RR stem was not inspired by or designed to emulate the position of a dirt bike. I don’t even ride dirt bikes. The RR stem was developed over almost 3 years testing anything from below traditional height to about 80mm taller than the RR stem you now see, and anything from 70mm forward to -50mm Reversed always benchmarking against the traditional 50mm - 35mm stem. The RR stem that you see here is the culmination of all that testing to find the best Enduro mtb stem geometry.

[@dadlife8289]

Haha dang Seth beat you to the punch 😂

[@mtb_alan]

A full-time KZbinr getting a video out before a part-timer?! Crazy! 😆

[@MloVisual]

@@mtb_alan Step your game up part timer 😅 slacking. 🤣

[@Chasing-Daydream]

Yeah but Seth's video didn't show how it looks being properly ridden from a follow cam PoV. Or give us a chance to meet the maker. Seth's video got me curious. Alan's video just sold me. It's on my wish list now.

[@mtb_alan]

😃🤘🏾

[@dadlife8289]

@@Chasing-Daydream I read it here first. Alan is better than Seth! Can't rush perfection right!

[@gixxerbundy]

So the bicycle world is moving out of stone age, the motorcycle world has been using bar risers for decades. The height gives you better leverage, the repositioning changes the handling characteristics of the bicycle. Old concept, applied to a different use.

[@mtb_alan]

I don't think anybody uses flint tools to build bikes.

[@unkrautverpflichtet]

looks like a dutch "grandma bike" - but then as a mountain bike

[@mtbmike6414]

And you dint try it 🤷 I was looking forward for you to try it on your bike !

[@mtb_alan]

Maybe once I’ve had my new bike for a while. 🤘🏾

[@mtbmike6414]

@@mtb_alan okay 😞

[@DMMTB]

I saw it on Seth's channel today & now on yours with the man himself ..... looks instersting 🤔

[@mtb_alan]

🤘🏾

[@robzspeedn]

Now someone just needs to make this in Titanium with anodizing options!

[@pangtsr]

I love how people made fun of me when i made a similar contraption of my own. Now it’s touted as the future of mtb? Pffff

[@mtb_alan]

So it goes.

[@pricebusters1966]

How does he compress his bearings ? It seems like they bring the bars really close to your body, does it do tight sharp turns with jabbing you in the ribs?

[@hermesmercury]

Yeah, I miss my BMX bike too.

[@mrmotomoto]

This just makes it look more like a chopper motorcycle with ape bars. Those are really twitchy at low speeds but pretty much balance themselves on the highway. This stem is making the bike no longer general purpose for mountain biking and squarely in the fast DH category. Guess it’s an easy change for someone who visits parks but wants to remove it for local trails

[@fudganuld]

The 2nd vid I've watched with this stem....I think its a personal reference thing, seeing the lad who designed it would probably hate my set up...Ha !

[@eddiebaby22]

I don't know why mtb bars are always so low, it makes them uncomfortable generally and also terrible for down hill riding. Riser bar and high headset achieves very similar.

[@bemorebikes]

Bars have been low for too long. It’s time for a Ride Revolution! The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is not the same as a very tall bar. The RR stem is both Raised and Reversed. Due to this your hands will be notably behind the steering axis of your frame instead of in front as they traditionally are. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics. It allows the rider to position themselves on the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike over more for a kinematically tighter turn. The hand to front axle position parallels a 58 degree headtube angle for ultimate confidence in steep terrain, with a steering feel that is less floppy and more direct than the stock headtube angle of the bike with a traditional stem. These help the rider corner much better and feel more confident in steep terrain. A really tall bar or even a long steerer tube with a bunch of spacers or a stem riser would just be higher up without the Reversed offset, and as such will perform a lot differently. A really tall bar is also not ideal because it will move your hands quite significantly relative to the steering axis when adjusting bar role, and is more reliant on having a very strong hold at the bar clamp on the stem to keep the bar from slipping forward and back.

[@MichaelMohrshipofools]

How about that steer tube ? Is it going last or fail under added load? I hope that is cessed out before someone gets hurt..

[@arf138]

... i tried this concept in the early 2000's by using a BMX race cruiser bar/stem.. "old guy from Rad" style.

[@bemorebikes]

1:33 The RR (Raised Reversed) stem is not the same as a very tall bar such as a bmx bar. The RR stem is both Raised and Reversed. Due to this your hands will be notably behind the steering axis of your frame instead of in front as they traditionally are. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics. Since it arcs out instead of in when turning relative to the frame, it allows the rider to position themselves on the outside of the bike when cornering to load their side knobs properly while also leaning the bike in further for a kinematically tighter turn. The hand to front axle position parallels a 58 degree headtube angle for ultimate confidence in steep terrain, with a steering feel that is less floppy and more direct than the stock headtube angle of the bike with a traditional stem. These help the rider corner much better with improved feel of the front end, keep better balance in loose terrain, and feel more confident in steep terrain. A really tall bar or even a long steerer tube with a bunch of spacers or a stem riser would just be higher up without the Reversed offset, and as such will perform a lot differently. A really tall bar is also not ideal because it will move your hands quite significantly relative to the steering axis when adjusting bar role, and is more reliant on having a very strong hold at the bar clamp on the stem to keep the bar from slipping forward and back.

[@arf138]

@@bemorebikes Cool.. i have never set up my personal BMX bike with bars Chicago Style (bars pushed Way Forward for street and ramp).. i ride Racer Style with the Bars Pulled WAY Back for dirt jumping..

[@icantgivecredit871]

I'm getting BMX vibes here!

[@chipaway]

hey alan. the concept is clear, but in the meantime, a 35mm stem, a high stack height (hightower v3) and some spacers would get pretty close, correct?

[@mtb_alan]

Height-wise, yes. But I think because the bars are still in front of the steering axis, it would be a different effect.

[@bemorebikes]

You will probably still be about an inch or more lower on the grip height, but a big part of the benefits of the RR (Raised Reversed) stem comes from the Reversed offset. The Reversed offset improves and calms the steering dynamics, and makes the bike corner much better. This is why the name is Raised Reversed. This is the Raised version of the Reversed stem concept. It also allows the rider to keep on the outside of the bike when leaning in for a corner so that they can keep their weight on the side knobs properly while also leaning the bike over even more for a kinematically tighter turn. With a traditional forward extending stem, as you lean the bike over and turn the bars, the bars are dropping down towards the inside of the turn as you turn more. With the RR stem, the frame is more of what is dropping down as you turn more so that it leans over further. Along with that, the hands being further back horizontally from the front wheel more similar to a roughly 58 degree heatube angle really helps with confidence in steep and rough terrain.

[@johanandersson6812]

​@@bemorebikesbacksweep of 10or more probably brings you in the exact handlebar position.

[@bemorebikes]

@@johanandersson6812Not really, with the RR stems Reversed offset and the backsweep of the bars, you will tend to be roughly 40mm behind the steering axis at the grips. You would need a bar with a quite substantial back sweep ie. much more than 10 degrees to get the same offset at the grips with a traditional 35mm stem. A bar with that much back sweep would put most people in a disadvantageous position for their arms and wrists to the bars. That also wouldn’t account for the height.

[@bengtlowander7840]

Seth already did this on his channel. Good videos.

[@mtb_alan]

🤘🏾

[@Guanche_MTB]

So what would you say is the extra rise above what you ride now? And how far behind the steerer?

[@wojtekrogowski3912]

KTM adventure and enduro motorcycle handlebars looks like that. That's makes sense.

[@greywhite]

skunk beard. totally new pixar character

[@trailpimp6369]

Looks like it will work nice

[@marcocorti2879]

Good evening, another way to spend money … bike business is endless my friends…all the best!!!

[@allenrichards5086]

Only hang up I can see is the top tube length seems/is tighter?

[@lostman65]

did you get to try it alan? what did you think? this stem looks like will help with manuals

[@mtb_alan]

I did a bit of climbing on it and a little carving around. Not enough to really assess it. I will say that climbing on it did feel kind of nice because you're more upright with more open hips and lungs. And as far as turning, it's definitely a different body position and style of riding. But then, our body position and style of riding on modern bikes are very different compared to that on bikes from 5-10 years ago.