RAM 2500 Cummins Diesel FINED 1.7 BILLION | Certified Diesel Mechanic Explains..

** I do NOT work directly for Cummins, rather I work at a fully certified Cummins shop and these are simply my Educated Opinions based upon Publicly available sources and information **
Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel pick up truck Engines are facing a MASSIVE 1.7 Billion Dollar fine in EPA Lawsuit and penalty for allegedly using emission defeat devices on there Diesel Engines. Myself as a Cummins Certified Diesel mechanic, go into depth on what parts of the emissions system Cummins was evading. I talk about the impact this could have on the diesel truck industry and the future of Cummins and RAMS relationship.
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Well I hope everyone had awesome holidays, and I wanted to start off 2024 with a bit of a bang. So we have this awesome RAM 3500 High Output Cummins diesel truck and we are diving into the 1.7 Billion dollar fine cummins is going to recieve from the EPA for using defeat devices on their diesel engine which has lead to more emission being released from their engines.
cummins apparently is releasing too much nox gases from their engines. somehow they were able to by pass emission testing and allow their engines to be on the road without them de-rating for too much nox emissions
most people think of diesel emission as just black smoke (diesel particulate matter) but there are other elements like nox gases. these gases are very hard to see or smell and so these cummins engines are not dumping black smoke or rolling coal all over the road.
As I showed you guys there are multiple components to a modern diesel emission system. there are Diesel particulate filters and Diesel exhaust fluid which all play a part in the emission system. I try and explain the basic principles of each and this is why these aftertreatment systems are so complex and unreliable. its no surprise Cummins was trying to bypass some of the regulations.
I think the hard part to predict is what the fall out is going to be. we don't know if there are going to be massive recalls or buy back programs like VW did with their dieselgate scandals.
the issue is that these are not cummins trucks they are RAM trucks and we don't know how this is going to affect their relationship.
Anyways guys let me know what you think!

[@josipdolic6391]

My question is what exactly EPA does with this money?

[@gingernutpreacher]

Prostitute's and black jack?

[@rickreese5794]

Bingo PAL 🤔💯💩

[@GoodAfterNoon]

EPA is far from a constitutionally recognized agency

[@markjohnson8726]

They buy beach houses

[@Scroll_Lock]

Pour it into EV "trucks"? 🤣

[@johnstepanic1183]

Lost all my emission equipment in a boating accident

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Its funny how many guys bring their emission systems on boating trips and get into an accident. Got to be more careful.

[@tylerkraemer]

⁠RIP to all the guns and emissions equipment lost in boating accidents.

[@TheKlamminator]

Abolish the ATF and EPA

[@DUNCANMACLAUCHLAN-q2l]

me too

[@cyborg2048]

​@@TheKlamminatorpreach

[@rustypliers74]

Cummins should not pay, the EPA is not part of the constitution or any form of government body

[@davidjaskiewicz3461]

Working as a parts man in a Mercedes Benz dealership, we are going thru this with the sprinter diesel vans and sport utility trucks. Replacing dpf , scr, and egr valves and software update. No client is happy when getting back, less power, running like crap, and check engine light on within 500 miles after getting back.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thats the modern diesel engine in a nut shell unfortunately right now. I work on check engine light after check engine light

[@stevenjackson7067]

I do driveaway delivery of new plow trucks and when we deliver them there is most times a check engine light on. That's the first thing we are asked, "is the check engine light on". If it's not it's like, why not ?

[@flat6fever680]

Yes, My Sprinter has had all of what you described. I DO love that van though.

[@KathyHarris-v5u]

Well most of these auto makers don’t build their own diesel engines. It’s going to be interesting 😮

[@Swampster70]

@@TheGettyAdventures Well, it was invented by a French guy, so all the crap would come out in the wash eventually. The EPA is gonna make sure there's no rolling coal to dirty the white surrender flags. Next up, diesels running on freedom fries oil. 🤣

[@jdsmith556]

I have a feeling a vast majority of these trucks may not come back for the update.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I'm expecting the same lol

[@davidj2874]

But you could be forced to get or not be able to renew registration at the DMV

[@SDJ3360]

@@davidj2874how do you think people with deleted trucks are getting registrations?……….

[@skoffco]

Or resale. They got you by the balls one way or the other.

[@raykrv6a]

Mine won't be going in for the update until I hear how the update affected the truck.

[@nicholasdoran]

As a school bus mechanic I can confirm the difference in power between the generations of Cummins engines is astounding. The older ones without EGR, DPF and/or DEF have lasted a lot longer and have put out much better power figures compared to newer generations. The older ones we still have running do put out some soot but not an immense amount compared to the older International/Navistar and CAT powered busses. We're even having a new problem with a few newer Cummins powered busses where the ECM is throwing a Check Engine light for Random Missfire codes that has required an update to the protocols and calibration from Cummins, but they can't fix it until they get approval from the EPA. So now, we've got these brand new, low mileage (less than 10k miles), $4-500k school busses that we can't even run. It's sad to see the state of diesel motors in the current generation.

[@gpenrod5221]

In 08 I wanted to purchase a truck that would last me the rest of my life needs. I bought the last year of the 5.9 HO Cummins in my 06 Ram. The more I see with the mess that politicians are creating, the more I am happy with the choice of purchase I made. Sad state of what is going on in the diesel industry. Why doesn't anybody start telling the "complete truth" about diesel and try to erase the bad name that environmentalists want to narrate on them? There are a lot of interesting facts that need to be considered by everyone before we brand diesel as that bad boy engine that the EPA is trying to brand them with. They take the worst facts as propaganda and conveniently leave out the rest of the facts that apply directly to the matter at hand, thus creating a false narrative.

[@modquad18]

I disagree with the false narrative argument. Look, if the state to the north of you was dumping raw sewage into the river where you draw your water, would that be ok with you? Hell no, and that is essentially what these cheaters are doing with these motors. They don’t want to take the time to engineer proper exhaust scrubbing, which isn’t that difficult. I guarantee you they will now and we’ll get the power back with low emissions lickity split. The gas guys did it and the diesel teams will too

[@andrewchan9925]

​@gpenrod5221 100% doesn't it sound like politics? What you're saying is what's going on in our country currently.. sad😢

[@slavonicblin2984]

@@gpenrod5221 it sucks that it's easier for the government to target automobiles rather than airplanes and big companies that are emitting significantly more emissions. and all this emissions stuff just means higher costs to the consumer. think about what the fines are doing to do.

[@taylorsutherland6973]

The Ford 7.3 gasoline engine is making its way into many new school busses. Sad, we are going back to gasoline.

[@MrTenhighguy]

My favorite part about being a diesel mechanic for almost 15 years was getting the hell out of the field in 2015. Stuff was changing so fast from 2006-2012 every manufacturer was turning out untested rigged up junk. Even worse for me I was at International so our house engines were extra sketchy crap.

[@skylinefever]

Makes me think of the bad stuff that got invented in the 1970s and 1980s for street legal gasoline engines in the USA. My dad did experience 2 of them, a 1979 Toyota Corolla with a cat meltdown, and a 1987 Hyundai Excel with a complex O2 sensor carb failing.

[@overbuiltautomotive1299]

yea buying the cheap car never pays off we got the 85 supra 5mge still runs fine but i trying tell dad buy the best just get it used but nooo lol .to me best daily driver car is300 2005 back or sc300 1999 back got 260k on the original 2jz belts and just did brushes in alternator before it failed it needed it 8 bucks and grease bearings good for 150k more all belts and suspension bushing/struts [KYB brand only rest are junk] soon to be done all at the same time no here n their crap that why folk say it 100 dollars you to death fix it right and once @@skylinefever

[@skylinefever]

@@overbuiltautomotive1299 Back then, how much did you have to spend to get a trouble free smog engine? I think about how at the time my dad had a 1987 Hyundai Excel, my mom had a 1985 Nissan Maxima. The engine and robot voice chip were fine. The rest of that car was an electrical glitch fest.

[@N4CR]

@@overbuiltautomotive1299 sometimes it does, mrs picked up an 07 GS460, needed a tensioner and plugs/throttlebody cleanout and it was mint. ABS module wasn't torqued properly so the brake lines leaked, easy fix during test drive lol. Poor guy sold the car so cheap he had no idea how to fix it. ALso did new front adaptive shocks, rides like a new car, gorgeous piece of kit for way too cheap. Rather have it over a new car worth 4x as much these days.. they are not even close in quality and ride comfort, speed, reliability. To this day (2-3 years later) it was the cheapest one ever sold in my country lol.

[@patriot5526]

Two easy fixes here. Any diesel truck you buy be sure to purchase the longest factory warranty you can get and then sell it at the end of the coverage. The other is if you are fortunate enough to know a really competent diesel mechanic, stop taking your truck to the dealer.

[@rickreese5794]

Bingo PAL 😊

[@trolingertrucking9591]

The EPA requires it the owners and manufacturers don't want the crap on there so that means the EPA should be responsible for the crap. My thoughts are if I don't want it it's not gonna be there!

[@tracker1673]

I paid cash for my truck years ago but couldn't do that now. I don't have or want a car/truck payment. After I bought my truck (2019) its value increased considerably due to covid, the economy or politics. Bottom line I can't afford it!

[@harrywalker968]

factory warrenties,,worth sht.. tell them, i buy, you never see me again,, its cheaper, as they dont do sht..

[@cliffterrell4876]

​@@trolingertrucking9591there are also three particular politicians who are getting filthy rich off these particulate filters. That's why it is mandatory.

[@armedprophet3321]

Ford has already addressed the “nox” issue by increasing the def usage. My 2023 super duty with the high output 6.7 has a 7.5 gallon def tank and it does go thru it faster than the 2022, however the EGR is smaller and “supposedly” it reintroduces less gasses back into the engine for reburn. That is a trade off I will gladly take. The government could make it easier on diesel manufacturers by mandating a 55 plus cetane rating on diesel fuel sold at the pump but they would rather burden auto manufacturers. The higher cetane would help ensure a complete burn of fuel thereby reducing emissions and soot.

[@turbo-brian]

I traded up my RAM Gen2 Ecodiesel to Gen3 Ecodiesel largely because of the engine improvements. One big one being the EGR moved downstream of the DPF.

[@timking7496]

They all need to go duel fuel add propane Problem solved get rid of the Def and the other stuff

[@unconventionalideas5683]

55 cetane diesel would likely cost too much for consumers and might lack backwards compatibility with older engines.

[@treeamigo8447]

Yes, and cost us more money at the pump.

[@armedprophet3321]

@@treeamigo8447 Either way it costs to be the boss. You want a diesel ? Then be prepared to pay for more expensive fuel, def , oil and filter changes and fuel additives. If not then just get a gas engine and watch the big boys pass you by.

[@Bululdaya]

Even though Cummins has acted contrary to the regulators in the industry, I get a feeling Cummins won't be vilified in terms of public perception, like VW was when they got caught. These latest EPA ratings have become the bane of all manufacturer's existence these days.

[@rickreese5794]

Excellent post, oblowzo and doj did a real hatchet job on VW, same attitude today w/Ol jo🤷🏿‍♂️

[@charlesangell_bulmtl]

VW should sue the Extreme Piss-head ASSocoation for egregious legislation. Of course they won't, as everyone's afraid of these $$$mall minded tyrant$$$. ABOUT TIME the EPA was drug down to reality...

[@jake_of_the_jungle9840]

My teacher in HS had a vw dieselgate car in 2015-16, it got around 50mpg she said and was great and I remember her being so pissed when she had to give the car back.

[@charlesangell_bulmtl]

@@rickreese5794 And oblowzo, the puppet with the stick is his ass, allowed banned dispersant to pollute the coastline for generations... BP? Slap on the wrist.😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@connor3288]

​@@jake_of_the_jungle9840No one "had to" "give" it back. My dad had a 2012 Passat tdi, thibg was awesome, averaged 40mpg in mostly town driving. The owners had 3 options if i recall correctly. 1, vw buys back your car. 2, vw installs updated exhaust/emissions equipment and pays you $7500 if my memory is correct. 3, you the owner take no action and continue driving car as is. I don't remember if you were eligible for money if you went the 3rd route. This was in state of MA. My dad got top trim model i think for 32k and vw paid him 28k as buyback. So he got 4-5 years out of the car, probably at least 60k miles, at average cost of 1,000 ish a year, as far as vehicle value loss/depreciation. The deal was too good for him to turn down.

[@rockymountainjazzfan1822]

The entire goal of the EPA is to eliminate the diesel engine in most vehicles. Their goal is totally ridiculous and will eventually destroy the economy, but nobody ever said that environmentalist radicals are logical. The post-2007 regs are a classic example of the government imposing onerous, impractical, and expensive emission requirements to make only minimal additional reductions in emissions from the prior "tiers." The basic combustion conundrum is that NOx emissions are a direct result of EFFICIENT combustion and particulate emissions are a result of INEFFICIENT combustion. So, that essentially means that when one reduces one pollutant, it increases the other. The early, say, 2001-2010 emission systems tended to decrease efficiency with EGR in order to reduce NOx, but at the expense of poorer fuel economy and higher particulate emissions. After about 2010, SCR became the method to reduce NOx downstream from the combustion chamber, so that EGR degrading of combustion efficiency could be lessened, which also would reduce the particulate load in the DPF. But, the simple fact is that, absent of a major change in technology, there is really no practical or efficient way to reduce diesel emissions much farther than they already are. So, the next "tier" of regulations--yes, they are coming, unless their is a change in the current Democrat Administration and Congress in the U.S.--will effectively begin to exterminate new diesel engine production in the U.S. What people don't understand is that, without diesel engines, millions upon millions of people will face starvation. Maybe that is what the leftist elites want. As an oil company executive said to me years ago, "People drive on gasoline and gasoline engines, but the economy runs on diesel fuel and diesel engines." Finally, you gave one of the best succinct descriptions of how current generation diesel emission control systems work, and why they are so expensive and trouble-prone. Thank you for that.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I agree that the regulations will get so strict that diesel engines won't be an option. If the average person could understand how clean a diesel engine runs right now I think they would be shocked. And the EPA almost feeds off the uninformed which is why they keep getting support for tighter emissions. I want clean air just as much as the next guy but there are bigger fish to fry then clean running diesels. And thank you, always a tough call about how in depth to go into this sort of stuff because it can be boring lol.

[@lustfulvengance]

Nah I disagree, there are millions of trucks running around burning natural gas and it works just fine. Natural gas requires almost no emissions components other than a catalytic converter like every car has. At some point all the manufacturers will realize that trying to meet the more modern diesel emissions requirements is ridiculous and just switch their fleet to either natural gas or a hybrid electric setup. If it's a hybrid electric setup you could run a gasoline powered generator to recharge the batteries, or on the generator a natural gas either way there's multiple solutions.

[@oldfarmer4700]

The fines and punishment their putting against the manufacturers are for one reason only and that to completely drive them out of business. They will go up against all of them in the future just wait and watch. One thing for sure I disagree with what he said was trouble started when def came along. No the problems started when EGR’s were added to diesels. When def came into the picture it just added to the exhaust problems. It’s funny how our government can put all their efforts against fossil fuels and everything that uses it to either run on, heat homes, cook food and our electrical power companies but when it comes to wind and solar, the manufacturing of the equipment, the energy used to build the farms and most of all when they are abandoned and left standing to rott and ones torn down filling land fills. And subsidies paid for by our tax dollars and tax dollars then spent to dismantle and dispose of this junk. You think epa is looking at that? No they have blinders on.

[@lawman8877]

​@@lustfulvenganceto bad natraul gas burns like half as powerful as diesel

[@bunsguns8222]

​@@lustfulvenganceToo bad they have been going after natural gas also, it's still fossil fuel.

[@davidhillbrand2302]

My only real concern is what (if any) modifications are going to be required on existing trucks. When RAM adjusted the Eco Diesel to meet the new emissions standards, it changed the performance negatively. I will be curious to see what happens and what you think of the changes that will certainly be coming for the existing trucks.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Exactly, I think there is probably going to be some dip in performance and hopefully we'll find out what exactly happened here soon.

[@jeffs2809]

There’s an emissions related recall out on the Ram website already for many of the affected trucks. For the 2013-18’s it’s just a software update. So far, the few that have had it done and reported results haven’t noticed any significant changes. None that I’ve read about have had the update very long or aftermarket monitoring to really give a good report, though, in my opinion.

[@Hogger280]

Guaranteed it will lower performance and probably fuel mileage!

[@harrywalker968]

they want you to buy an ev,, & really fk up the earth.. as there bs..

[@gpenrod5221]

It's the same thing regular engines went through in the 70's when EPA started making more and more demands on the emissions and manufactures were compelled to do things that might not have been the best answer overall, but it met the criteria. I remember when my dad bought a 73 Plymouth car with a huge 440 engine in it. For an engine that big you would expect a lot of performance. We were always disappointed in how little power it actually produced. It was detuned with low compression, tons of emissions controls, etc. Sounds a whole lot exactly like what diesel engines are going through now. Side comment. I was reading back 2-3 or so years ago how Bosch was experimenting with some different computers and sensors, mixed with their injectors and such and in theory they could create a diesel engine injection system that had more power, far less emissions devices on it and yet would meet the emissions standards set out. I thought then and still wish for something like that to happen, but from past history, I don't see the best answers winning out unfortunately.

[@anthonysherman6269]

@The Getty Adventures. I live in California, USA. I received my recall notice on Friday, 5 January, 2024. I am going to quote from me exact notice; "The engine control software in your vehicle must be updated with an upgraded calibration as required by the US Environmental Agency and the California Air Resource Board for better emissions performance. FCA will repair your truck free of charge. To do this, your dealership will reprogram the Powertrain Control Module (PCM)." It sounds like they are just going to de-tune the engine much like with the EcoDiesel. Unfortunately, I live in CA so this recall is not optional for me. I have to do this for future registration, SMOG certifications will require a certificate to pass.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Wow! Thank you for the information. So it does look like they're going to go for the de-tuned route. I mean hopefully its not that noticeable but I would imagine there may be some type of performance loss.

[@gebertg]

It won't detune, it just increases DEF usage. The 2019s got the update via recall VB6 and the 2020+ trucks had it from the factory, including the power increase in 2021.

[@anthonysherman6269]

@@TheGettyAdventures Yeah. The unfortunate thing is I would my truck 3 months ago. It has really become one thing after another. I will look at OBD tuners after a few months, those will most likely be able to bring performance numbers back up.

[@itruck96]

​@anthonysherman6269 I agree. I know most owners will just return the power the fun way! 👉🏾🥳

[@Greg-bu7mi]

Ouch

[@jamesdaniels9418]

Abolish the EPA.

[@cactuscanuck6802]

Ram and Cummins will stay together--there's no way Ram wasn't already aware. But how did this escape notice in places like California for so long?

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I would agree. I think they benefit from each other greatly. And yes 10 years in such strict emission times is wild

[@2023TMc]

Cummins is only the first. Powerstroke and duramaxs will be next.

[@JROC734]

@@2023TMc what they need to do is throw up their middle finger to the EPA. F'em. Their expectations are unrealistic, and BS. There's no way that any manufacturer can keep meeting the ever stricter regulations that the EPA keeps throwing at them. That's like telling someone that they have to develop a 56" vertical jump or something. Not going to happen. In America the government is supposedly here to survive the people, at least that was the idea our founding fathers had. This is surviving themselves, or their interests and agendas in some fashion. They know that in 10 or 100 or 1,000 year if diesel engine are still around that the earths that going to come to an engine because of pollution, but they'll push BS narratives like global warming will make the earth flood in 10 years if we don't make dramatic changes. The only thing dumber than that is the fools who buy into it. So Cummins, Detroit, PSD, Duramax, Caterpillar, etc need to yeam up and say F the EPA, and if they push too hard, they're going to have an uprising on their hands, and they'll be very vocal as to why. What is the EPA going to do? Go to fully electric motors to power our semi's, and industrial equipment that so many things rely on?

[@DJ2226]

@@TheGettyAdventures While I do think Ram and Cummins work pretty well together, with Stellantis running the show I'm always a bit skeptical about their relationship given what happened with the Cummins 5L and the fact that FCA decided to pass it up for the EcoDiesel without going back to Cummins to request a V6 or smaller I6 for the 1500. If they find that they could build heavy duty Rams cheaper by shoving another VM Motori engine under the hood of their trucks so they can run with something made inhouse I have no doubt they would. Besides the fines from the US gov, this is part of why they are trying to ditch the Hemi so badly for the Hurricane since they are using the 4 cylinder engine in a lot of their vehicles.

[@buckhorncortez]

@@2023TMc Ford updated the emissions system programming on the Power Stroke about two years ago. I have a 2019 and the dealer sent a mobile service van to my house to perform the upgrade. Ford will not be affected. The upgrade changed the amount of DEF the truck uses. I have not noticed a change in performance or fuel usage.

[@Whitewater11]

agree with previous commenter, as a Californian (I know) I figured there will be more and more restrictions on diesel trucks which lent to my decision to purchase the Ford 7.3 gasser. I know it won't hold a match to the current diesels pulling but the costs and these restrictions are just brutal to have on such a high $ investment vehicle.

[@charlesharmon1338]

Great video. I love my RAM 2500 with the 6.7. It’s my first diesel and I don’t know if I’d want to tow with anything else again. That being said, I was already paranoid about the emissions system. This isn’t helping. I’ll just wait and see what happens. The cost of replacing a truck today is unreasonable, putting a lot of us between a rock and a hard place.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Diesels tow very well for sure, but it does look like there will simply be a recall. Hopefully not taking away any power.

[@1925sk]

It’s all about the intended goal of getting these engines off the road.

[@castirondude]

I would not take it to the recall

[@cookiedough5374]

I have 560K on my 18 3500. In order to keep the system runnng you need to use Lucas DEF cleaner once every 10K miles. Dont run errands with the truck. It needs to be used warm and run hard with trailers or weight to burn off the crap. At 400K the system needed work, but. If you keep the DPF filter clean you will not have problems.

[@MrWhiteTank]

@@cookiedough5374Lucas def cleaner? Is it a def additive?

[@patr10t762]

Is this the same government that doesn't use the dpf/scr systems on milspec equipment?

[@TheGettyAdventures]

yes sir!

[@mikeschlesner6673]

rules for thee not for me.... not government. you mean dictatorship.... we used to have Peace officers per the constitution, they keep the peace.. now we have Police officers they arent there to keep the peace anymore they are here to POLICE us... big difference...

[@ultron6931]

I think there is two take aways from your video that could help keep diesels going into the future. The first would be to better regulate the quality of diesel fuel. This in in regards to the burn/flame quality especially when some add too much bio diesel or other additives. The burn quality of the fuel would definitely affect the NOx output and may not be a fault of the truck. I worked with many cummins common rail engines that ran on JP8 and the exhaust was much cleaner with out any emissions devices. Second perhaps its time manufactures invested more time on developing low pressure EGR from after the DPF so that if the engine required more EGR it would be as soot free as possible reducing the soot load in the engine. Otherwise I think we all know its a detune for sure.

[@CarNerd]

the dpf is made for the SMALLEST particles, which are the cancer causing ones. I wish that confused trauma victims wouldn't waste the internet with your ignorant comments. be quiet.

[@NBSV1]

CAT was pulling EGR from after the filter. Ultimately they quit doing it, and nobody else really copied them. I think part of the problem is you’re trying to flow EGR into the intake while it’s under boost. So, you need the exhaust pressure from before the turbo to really help push it.

[@cwilks5592]

Saving the environment one plastic jug at a time 😂. My truck won’t be going to the dealership, and if it has to I’ll be sitting in the cab the entire time.

[@andrewhatton1606]

Buy more guns

[@beaujohnson2021]

Abolish the EPA.

[@dil6969]

I get these emissions standards are perhaps unrealistically stringent to the point of making light-duty diesel trucks not market viable, but it's pretty messed up to consciously cheat the emissions testing knowing it'll likely be found out later. Once owners get the changes made to make it compliant, they end up with a vehicle that's worse than what they originally paid for with little to no recourse.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Agreed, the real losers here are the consumers.

[@nolovenoah742]

I get what you’re saying. Fortunately, I live 20 minutes from the Cummins plant- which also means I’m in Indiana and we don’t have strict emissions laws. The real losers are the American citizens who have to comply with every little tweak the government wants to impose.

[@jeffs2809]

It will be interesting to hear what Cummins has to say about it or if more details come out in the epa document, since Cummins “admits no wrongdoing”. The epa allows a vehicle to be outside the limits on emissions at times depending on the circumstances, you just have to disclose the info to them. Then they decide if it’s a good enough reason. Maybe Cummins argument is that they didn’t need to disclose some info or something should’ve been part of an engine protection strategy, idk.

[@32543219]

Evidently the EPA has become anti-diesel. Not surprising given the federal and blue states’ war on fossil fuels. There is no magic bullet for tail pipe emissions. Only another remotely polluting solution, electric vehicles.

[@leerjet18]

Lawyers will make sure owners get compensated for this mess. Large class action lawsuit coming!

[@craigwhite7948]

There is no limit to the amount money the government is willing to take from those that earned it. This is a shake down pure and simple.

[@mrdiggie3321]

How's it the government's fault? They set a standard that's supposed to apply to everyone, Cummings allegedly cheated... what's the government supposed to do? Allow it? Then the cheaters get a competitive advantage and suddenly nobody complies.

[@peterlanum]

I just keep thinking about all of the plastic jugs that are being added to the landfills because of the DEF packaging.

[@charlieLund-v4r]

I was thinking of the same thing, you beat me to it. 25 years ago it was Baby Diapers filling up the Land Fills. Nothing is said about all the other packaging that ends up there. Most people do not recycle. Walk in your local Chicom Walmart Wearhouse and look at all the packaged goods. 90% going to the land fill.

[@Bradimus1]

I can only imagine the scrutiny Ford and GM are going to get now on their software. These companies can make things work, they just dod the math and assumed they'd make more money getting fined and customers would blame government regulations and keep buying their stuff anyway.

[@buckhorncortez]

Ford made a software change to the 6.7 Power Stroke about two years ago for emissions. I have a 2019 F350, and the dealer sent their mobile service van to my house and did the update with the truck parked in my driveway. Haven't noticed either a performance or mileage change since the update.

[@Freefarmer533]

Gm isn't worried, they deliver trucks with emission failures right from the factory. In fact you should be concerned when the check engine light ISN'T on!!!

[@bryanwinn15]

Most people around here are getting replacement computers for 600.00 take out the factory computer put in the replacement get the recall done and put you old computer back in the truck

[@MiloDebuque]

I am a complete dunce when it comes to cars and engines of any sort. Just never been my area of interest or experience. You explained everything so well that I can say I learned something today. Thank you! I'm a tiny bit less dumb from watching your video, which I can't say about many others I end up clicking on.

[@RobertBeck-pp2ru]

My 1997 Cummins diesel Ram 2500 pick up only has a catalytic converter. The 5.9 liter 12 valve doesn't produce 600 hp and 1000 pounds of torque, but it gets the job done for me, whatever I ask of it. I laugh myself to tears when I see these new Rams, $8o,ooo ,modified with huge wheels, aftermarket chips, loud exhaust , and emission defeat. There is no reason in hell that these bros' need all that power from their trucks. To me, it just seems like male ego trying to compensate for their small size penis.

[@charlieLund-v4r]

Man you couldn`t have said it better. I see it all the time. back in 2014 i was looking for a 3/4 ton diesel PU with a manual trans. Didn`t want 4x4, and one some kid messed up. Only 2 came up on CL a 86 F-250 6.9, and a 93 Dodge Cummins, 5-spd, tow package, Club cab long bed with tow package for $6500, and think it had 150K on it. But a BJ pulled out of the "A" Frame and??? Did some suspension searching on these Dodges, came back to CL and it was sold. So bought the Ford for $1800 and 192K miles. now after 10 years up to 344K and keeps going. I really do like the 12 valve Engine, dependable, as is the IHC IDI Engines.

[@charlieLund-v4r]

One more thing. With the high prices of all new trucks, and emission garbage. You can see why the prices for used trucks have shot up through the roof.

[@RobertBeck-pp2ru]

@@charlieLund-v4r Right on. I'll keep my '97 until I can no longer drive.

[@anthonyrider9190]

I had my trucks ecm update and the only noticeable difference at this time is increased def usage. Performance and mileage appears to be normal, we’ll see how much more def is used when towing that could cost a little.

[@farmermatt1395]

Mine was updated as well and certainly seeing an increase in DEF usage.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thank you sir! good to know.

[@TexasBR549]

Watch a video about new diesel powered using a lot more DEF than older DEF equipped trucks. A lot more DEF.

[@tylerfreeland7358]

That’s what I hypothesized was going to happen. Probably the best outcome

[@anthonyrider9190]

@@TexasBR549 as of now diesel is still the best option when it comes to towing. If this was a NOX issue and little more def cleans it up I guess it’s for the best. Pros outweigh the cons when it comes staying with diesel.

[@CFRoach]

it's not: "pound feet of torque" it's: foot pounds of torque! A foot pound of torque is the rotational force of a one pound weight on a one foot bar That would be one foot pound. If you had two pounds of weight on a 1 foot bar that would be 2 foot pounds. Some idiots in car commercials started saying it backwards and everybody just keeps repeating the same stupid thing. Am I old and cranky? Yes!

[@RobertBeck-pp2ru]

You say tomawto, I say tomato. Get over it.

[@CFRoach]

No and I'm the one that says tomato : ) @@RobertBeck-pp2ru

[@wayne-oo]

This is not just a Cummins problem , dodge, fiat or stellantis has been building engines out of EPA spec for years now and if you look at the statements made by the company they would rather pay the fine than deal with the burden of redesigning all of their engines…

[@MrTonaluv]

The fines are to low to prevent their deceptive behaviour

[@mikes1292]

Canada Keeps voting for liberal politicians trucks of all types will be gone.

[@jasonbrushett2005]

Absolutely ridiculous comment,stop bringing politics into every issue

[@SlimSpida]

Canadian regulations are copy-pasted from US rules.

[@benradey379]

@@jasonbrushett2005politicians make all the issues though

[@gamebredduramax71]

Canadians can’t get enough liberalism, they drink the cool aid and actually love it. Even this guys thinks ram did. Big no no when they are just trying to survive the government take down

[@gamebredduramax71]

@@jasonbrushett2005 politics runs our lives wether you like it or not, and hiding from it doesn’t help. The basics are anything liberals touch gets ruined. Backed by evidence and statistics. But all presented to the people as some type of do goodery to get it excepted, that is whatever freedom robbing policy they are trying to pass

[@LindsayPeters987]

Love your content! Best explanation ive seen on this so far. Look forward to more of your videos in 2024. You should get merch!

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Merch will be coming to a store near you.

[@Cumminspower365]

I can’t believe it my 2017 ram 3500 dually has 15000 miles on it and it has never went into regen and it runs perfectly and it has all the bs on it completely stock I’m leaving it the way it is I’ve had about ten people asking me if I want to sell it maybe if I sold it I could get a good price for it

[@korn111685]

New diesels are like having a hot girlfriend, nice to look at, fun to ride but a big PITA to deal with. That old truck you had is like the wholesale girl next door. Attractive, reliable, used but not abused. And she’s only half the price on date night.

[@unacceptablemooshmeat2213]

I lost my emissions system somewhere. Never did find it. I plan on running this truck until I retire. Wish me luck.

[@patriotcanuck6485]

I'd like to know where the $1.7B goes after the EPA Gestapo get their hands on it.

[@jbird9218]

They make more laws and hire more people to bend the American citizens over.

[@a4000t]

After they get their kickbacks,its likely to hire even more people to go after everyone. They keep demanding more emission controls made in large factories to cripple engine performance and make it less efficient. I'm willing to bet they cause more pollution than help it.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Bonuses probably, pay raises and hire more overpaid government staff that work from home.

[@actionA06]

In their pockets and the coffers of a certain political element.

[@clayornelas7537]

I hope I get some for the contamination that I have been breathing in the air.....

[@stevenhill7668]

For me the only reason that I ever bought a ram was because of the engine

[@noelie84]

As an owner of a 2018 Ram 3500 with the HO cummins, I'm definitely waiting to see what happens with the 'fix' because according to my recall paperwork it looks like they're just updating software. And as you said in your video, that probably means that we're going to get similar results to the retune they did on the Ecodiesels, with significantly lowered power levels. Considering I bought my truck specifically for the HO motor I'm not interested in that sort of 'repair'

[@andyxxgerico]

In California if you don't get the recall, you can't get your registration renewed

[@whatsoutthere6822]

I have an '01 Ram 3500 and I'm not going newer any time soon. I'm avoiding DEF.

[@scottdolphin5803]

I live in California, have an engine light on now (2022 Ram) dealer can’t get the problem fixed. Been at dealer since September 13Th. Can’t pass smog so can’t get registered . Working on Manufacture buy back now.

[@hutch0515]

Exactly, what are the other Diesel manufacturers doing with their engines??! I'm a Ram fanboy and have a 24 3500 on the way. Very disappointed to say the least with all of this. Curious to see what transpires. Great informative video as always.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Not cheating, it seems, at least, not yet.

[@drewlane988]

What’s funny is I bet most of these vehicles between 2013 to 2024 are most likely already deleted by the customer. The likely of owners/customers that are going to go through the recall are pretty slim anyways. I’m assuming even with the buy back program, nobody is going to bring the trucks in for a brand new DE-TUNED truck. I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it but even if I had a newer truck with in the recall year…….i wouldn’t give it up. Not until the emissions can get figured out with keeping the same horsepower and reliability of the truck. The emissions are killing these trucks in the workforce. Eventually, these truck will have enough emissions to make the truck worthless to buy let alone even look at. Out with the new and bring back the old.

[@crawlercon5187]

If someone decides they don't want to participate in the "fix" I assume that will mean they will never be able to have their trucks serviced at a dealer again. Also assuming dealers will be required to do what ever is required if they get it in the shop. I think that's what happened with VW.

[@buckhorncortez]

If you take the vehicle to a dealer for any kind of service and the VIN does not show the update, the dealer will make the change during the time they have the vehicle. The manufacturer and dealer are required to make that change by the federal government.

[@DaveC_TN]

I'd be more concerned with having registration and title problems down the road. I'd bet the EPA will mandate the manufacturers notify them as each vehicle is updated. If participation is lower than desired, something will be attached to the VIN that will prevent registration or title transfer until the manufacturer 'clears' the VIN as 'properly mitigated'. I couldn't imagine owning or repairing diesel vehicles in this day and age of extreme government ideocracy...

[@harrywalker968]

forced to buy EV,s which are worse for the earth.. watch vids..

[@harrywalker968]

all the sht they put on engines,, shortens the engine life, more repairs, more money.. its bs..

[@SegoMan]

Twice as much fuel burner ect. The Diesel Bro's got hit with an 800k fine over this even though their tuned engines put out less emissions..

[@davidtweten3797]

show how bad the DEF is when it burns it more toxic

[@shawnr100]

The EPA, along with many other alphabet agencies, needs to be disbanded. The dystopian bureaucratic nightmare will only get worse.

[@keithnoneya]

1.7 Billion fine, the EPA needs to be re-organized, that's totally ridiculous and shameful! PS I'm so glad I own a 7.3L truck! Best Wishes & Blessings. Keith Noneya

[@SegoMan]

Like other alphabet agencies they can not write laws only enforce them..

[@KRich408]

I'm glad I own a 2012 Ram 2500 Laramie the last year before DEF. Yes it has a DPF if it ever fails it will go along with the EGR. What I don't understand is how the EPA took over 10 years to figure out Cummins was playing tricks with the system. I've had lots of people want to buy my 2012 because of the year, no Def from the factory I won't sell it. if someone won't take no for an answer I tell them $55k not one was willing to pay that much. Yes it's less than a 2024 if someone wants to pay that I might sell it. It's my I don't want to sell it price. She's a baby 140k on the OD no rust and loaded options.

[@marcyounker6379]

It would seem best if an attorney at this time open a class action suite on behalf of consumers regarding loss of fuel mileage and power and either at individual consumers discretion accept a agreeable buy back or a settlement for said losses. It would seem like until us consumers receive a confirmation that ram is going to make a fair and agreeable amount of restitution to ram owners that ram owners do not allow vehicles to be altered. In turn forces a legal disposition to compensate ram owners instead of sweeping the bs under owners rugs

[@Americas450R]

Beautiful truck, but Fyi Man rule #4 - No man should drive truck with bed less then 8ft. Any short bed truck drivers will be immediately banned

[@donhhudson486]

I’ve read every comment in this thread and no one has mentioned that this is a ‘’RULE’’ not a law. These RULES are being made by non elected civil service government employees, with political biases, even though our legislators have given these agencies the power to make these rules, where is it allowed that a non elected agency can make these rules that can be enforced like laws with criminal penalties and not being responsible to the voter. Most if not all government agencies are making these rules and enforcing them with criminal penalties. OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO VOTE ON WHO MAKES LAWS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN SOLD DOWN THE DRAIN BY OUR POLITICIANS . ONLY DULY ELECTED LEGISLATORS CAN MAKE LAWS. WE THE PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.

[@theeverythingchannelyt548]

Amen brother.

[@Freefarmer533]

Rumour has it the EPA is considering boat safeties due to all the reported boat accidents!

[@chadcox9296]

Funny thing is, Cummins gets the fine when it was all Dodges fault. Cummins makes the engine, Dodge makes everything else, I.e. Ecm, exhaust, wiring harness. If it was Cummins fault, why wouldn’t Cummins be responsible for doing the ECM flash? Because the didn’t make the software and ram is the ones who did.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I would of think the aftertreatment system would be a cummins deal seeing that it would be apart of the powertrain. at least on the commercial side if a freightliner has a cummins engine, all the aftertreatment is also cummins made and control through their own ECU. could be different on the pick up trucks.

[@HarleyBuckeye]

Would you throw your biggest (non-commercial) customer under the bus? No. This is most likely a RAM issue and CMI is taking the heat....

[@vitaliymuzychenko3978]

F the EPA, just a way for you to buy more fuel, because the engines run like shit and burn way more fuel with all that garbage. Love my pre emissions 5.9 and super reliable.

[@c216mohl]

@nicholasdoran I really appreciate how you really took the words out of my mouth...so to say. Being a former truck driver myself, I have seen so many newer semi tractors broke down on the side of the road(or sitting in the shop to be repaired). The last good tractor I drove was a 2006 International with a 450hp cummins in it backed by a 13 speed transmission. This was the last available year before the beginning of tree-hugger crap being put on the engines(pre-egr, pre-DEP, pre-everything). That truck had hardly any issues. Since then, with a total of 2 other driving jobs with newer trucks, I've been stranded on the side of the road numerous times because of stupid crap like sensors mostly. I did have one legit mechanical issue with a freightliner where the power steering pump blew out, and took the air compressor with it on a DD13 detriot. Who the hell would combine the power steering drive with an air compressor drive? (meaning sharing the same shaft)

[@erniewarzyca1267]

I have a 2014 ram 2500 cummings 6.7 I got the recall,why would I take to dealer,I already had to clean the egr valve,change both 02 aensors,def injector, what next? If took to dealer not only would it have cost me money I don't have I would have lost my ability to use my truck for work,intern loose everthing,no truck no money to pay bills,can't afford to own my ram 2500. This recall is a stab in my life.

[@brownharr1]

The most informative channel on KZbin IMO. Thanks for that. Would like your take on what may happen with all the Cummings out there that are fully deleted. Could this bring all that to light and create a new mess of rules for everybody around here? (Nova Scotia)

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thank you sir! and to be honest it shocks me how many deleted trucks are out here on the east coast. In other provinces like Ontario and BC there are massive fines and witch hunts for deleted trucks. rumours has it that New Brunswick at least is going to start cracking down on deleted trucks and fining shops that work on deleted trucks.

[@brownharr1]

@@TheGettyAdventures I can only assume that safety inspections won't be issued for too much longer on deleted trucks. I honestly don't know any people around here that still have any emissions gear left in their trucks. Lol. Could get expensive. Thanks again for the work you put into your channel. It 's great.

[@markseehawer3762]

@@TheGettyAdventures My cocern what is going to happen to older trucks that pre date these emissions standards like my 1994 5.9

[@stevenjackson7067]

M@markseehawer, that's what I'm wondering. I have an 05 with 5.9 and very little emissions shit. I also have an 08 that doesn't use Def but does run some of its damn exhaust back through the engine. I'll be damn if I get rid of either one. 05 gets average of 18 mpg, 08 gets if I'm lucky 16 mpg.

[@markseehawer3762]

@@stevenjackson7067 I'm concerned that my 1994 Dodge diesel will be taken away from me and scrapped. Back then there were no emission systems added. My truck is well a maintained truck with a whole new fuel system in it. It gets about 18 mpg city And about 22 mpg highway. of course it depends on how I drive it. I always find it interesting that we always talk about ratios of out puts but we never talk about valumes. Case in point, VW had higher than aditted ratios of CO2 and NOX BUt there cars got 60+ mpg. So there total volume by mile was lower or on par with there cometitors. this should matter. This is the same with Cumins Reprograming these engines will bring the ratio down but volumes of NOX and CO2 will go up. Why because they are detuned and you now push harder on the peddle to get the same performance.

[@airdad5383]

EPA wants diesel trucks off the road and just like Caterpillar stopped making road engines Cummins will do the same for pickup trucks. I live in Canada, we don't have EPA.

[@ethanyates28]

I will not be bringing mine in for a recall anytime soon 😂

[@RGD2k]

Many points here that arn't quite right: 1. You can absolutely see NOx gases: They're brown (when concentrated). The fumes above fuming nitric acid is what this is. You aren't going to see them in the exhaust typically, because it's at very small concentation overall. But most of it gets made at high boost with low EGR: basically, when the engine is running most efficiently at high actual load (which you'll never be able to reach just revving the engine in neutral). 2. Main problem is that NOx gases + water = nitric acid, and that, if there is enough local concentration of NOx around, makes for acid rain. There's also SOx in diesel exhaust which is worse for acid rain, but the fix is just 'don't burn the lubrication oil' and that's fixed. Both these things cause environmental damage whereever the acidic rain falls, *if it gets acidic enough*. 3. 0.3 g per 'brake horsepower-hour'. This means, a 100 hp engine running for one hour is allowed to have emitted no more than 30g NOx total. Power X time = Energy, because 'power' (ie hp) is energy per time, much like speed is distance per time. The limit is so it applies to all size engines 'fairly', since bigger engines of course are going to burn more fuel. So that's why the unit it's 'per' is 'horsepower-hour'. Just for reference, SI unit which is a Watt-second is named 'Joule'. One hp-hour is 2684519.5368856 J . A 'kilowatt-hour' is of course just 3600J, so one hp-hr is also 745 kWh, so the emissions limit of 0.3g per hp-hr is also 402.3 mg/kWh, which might be more useful to compare with things like generators (who don't have to meet the same limit, BTW). A problem with the limit is that Diesel engines *also* make ammonia - which is basic and neutralizes the acid, to make particles which actually turn out to be a good plant fertilizer. This has the opposite effect on plant life as acidifying the rain, but it's 'a problem' if you instead have city surrounded by too many ammonium-nitrate-particle producing Diesel engines. like, say, Beijing. About 80% of the white smog in the air is this fertilizer, which is a solid not a gas, but ends up in such tiny particles that it hangs about for a while. Euro emissions standards don't want to talk about ammonia emissions, or even really fairly measure modern gasolene engine emissions as stringently as Diesel cars either. After all, you don't have to wear a Diesel engine out very much to make it blow black smoke like that: Pretty much is normal especially while the engine is warming up, and it's because when the engine is cold, not all the fuel will have burnt in time. This also happens if you wear out the injectors (possibly by over-revving the engine just once or twice!) resulting in worse atomisation, so a higher likely hood of smoke in the exhaust especially when the accelerator is down. This is why many Diesel vehicles throw smoke like that: Especially if the fuel pumps have been upgraded, and really too much fuel is going in. The most fuel a Diesel engine can burn is limited by 'the black smoke limit', and they all make their absolute maximum power whilst blowing black smoke like this. Typically it means it could do with more boost or a bigger turbocharger, because the engine is running out of oxygen at that limit. Either way, this black smoke leads to the public perception of Diesel engines being 'dirty'. The fix is a called a 'direct oxydation filter' which catches the particles and occasionally burns them away. After which you can have a selective catalytic convertor to absorb the NOx gasses, which might also require boosting / reforming with additional ammonia from products such as Adblue (urea in water: basically piss but dyed blue). So, both things are basically a solved problem, but that two-stage DOC/ selective catalytic converter costs money, so a big one means less profit! The limit is supposed to be used by the car manufacturer to spec a 'big enough' exhaust treatment to stay under the limit. But guess what? They don't want to, because less profit that way, and very little time is spent at max power by a passenger car anyway. So, they take the limit to apply to the actual test, under the conditions tested. This is why it's easy to cheat at that test. The issue about the cheating has to do with the test taken to 'prove' a specific car doesn't exceed the limit always: The test has a particular sequence of speeds for certain times, making it possible for car's computer to be aware that it's sitting the test, and so take special abnormal care to keep NOx levels low: This "while they're watching" special behaviour is what's meant by 'defeat device'. A different measure taken of the exhaust throughout ordinary driving, and comparing with engine power produced, gives the real 'per energy' emission mass, and this is what has been found to be way over the limit. Which means the manufacturer both picked a high static compression ratio (better fuel economy, but 17:1 gets you *much* more NOx... the Dieselgate engine was 18:1), and also skimped on the catalytic convertor to keep the cost low, despite knowing what the higher static CR would of course do. The fix is just use a lot more EGR - which is what the car computer is doing when its trying to stay low-NOx - except all the time. After this debackle, you can basically be guarenteed that after next service, the truck will feel a lot 'heavier' on the acceleration, because of all the EGR forced on. That will be the 'fix' which the manufacturer will be required to apply to all infringing vehicles. This will be done by recall, apparently. Be prepared to be disappointed!

[@rsmith2786]

Great video and very interesting stuff. A couple clarifications though. 1) The EPA doesn't mandate any specific emissions technology, they just set tailpipe emissions limits. It's up to the manufacturer to choose how to get there (e.g. EGR, DPF, SCR, etc.) 2) EGR doesn't work by "reburning" the exhaust. With EGR, the exhaust gasses are recirculated to act as a diluent in the combustion process. Exhaust gas has a higher specific heat capacity than air. This allows for lower peak temperatures in combustion, reducing formation of oxides of Nitrogen. Same end result as you said, but the mechanism is a bit different.

[@michaelprue9024]

I’m not slamming you, but your basic understanding of how/what these different aftertreatment components work is skewed. I work for a major truck dealership, can’t or won’t say who, but rest assured I’ve been working on aftertreatment systems since before they were released to production. We actually had 5 test trucks running around this region 2 years before production. 2007-2008. The DOC: it IN the name. Diesel OXIDATION catalyst. The doc oxidizes diesel fuel, to create HEAT. It amazes me that to this very day people still think there’s an actual fire inside, there ISNT. The doc, when the proper exhaust gas temps are high enough, through its catalyst, oxidizes diesel fuel, that chemical reaction creates heat, which is then transferred to the DPF to turn unburnt captured particulates (soot) into ash. That’s it, that is all it does, created heat. Every cell in the doc is open, to allow the particulates through to the dpf, each cell has a washcoat on it which is the catalyst. The DPF ; every other cell is closed, which allows it to capture the particulate matter. When the pressure difference between inlet and outlet reaches a predetermined level a regeneration is triggered, heat through the doc is created, passed through to the dpf, and the captured particulates are turned to ash, which is then stored in the dpf and builds up. Which is why LOW ASH oils are recommended for use in modern diesel engines now. Also, one must consider what types of additives they are using as well as some additives do create MORE ash buildup which decreases service intervals. (Shorter life spans between cleanings) The SCR; selective catalytic reduction. The scr uses a combination of heat and chemical reactions to reduce NOX. Heat from the dpf is transferred through the decompositions pipe or section of the scr, which is used to breakdown the DEF fluid, urea, in that process it is swirled or mixed with exhaust gasses NOX and breaks the chemical composition of nox down into nitrogen and Oxygen, They used to tell us when the systems are working properly the exhaust leaving the tailpipe is cleaner than the air we breath. I no longer believe that, especially with the current Cummins deal and with the one in Europe. I certainly think the engineers who designed these systems believe it though, and I also believe they breathe it on purpose, it’s affected the way they think somehow lol. I currently drive a Chevy with a duramax that still has aftertreatment in working order. That truck is a beast, but I know for a fact without it, that truck would be 1000 times more beastly and dependable. I literally feel sorry for some owner/operators who into aftertreatment issues, as the cost to repair has literally sent a few into bankruptcy. This governments lies about “global warming” has screwed each and every citizen, we ALL pay more because of it while THEY build mansions on the coast with the money they’ve skimmed off of all of us.

[@JackMehoff-iq5he]

I am not able to get the update because the emissions system in mine is no longer available

[@TheGettyAdventures]

lol lost in a boating accident??

[@JackMehoff-iq5he]

@@TheGettyAdventures I think it went missing after a group of emissions thieves ransacked my neighborhood.

[@skoffco]

And you won’t get your plates renewed. I guess your truck will become a big paperweight sitting in your driveway.

[@JackMehoff-iq5he]

@@skoffco that’s not a problem where I stay kiddo

[@darrells1806]

Kiddo? Really….i haven’t heard that word used in 65 years🤣@@JackMehoff-iq5he

[@davidj2874]

I have a 2020 ram with the Cummins engine,I’m not sure what to expect really. I don’t see them doing the buyback on count of it being Cummins and not ram. I’m hoping whatever they do doesn’t destroy the power of the engine nor destroy the resale value of the trucks.

[@LeroyBurkholder]

Thank you, you explained it very well. I got my recall notice about a month ago, but didn't really know shit about it. Also my actuator went out on my 2014 Ram Mega-Cab 6.7 liter engine, you don't happen to have a video on that do you? 😅

[@ryanteter]

23 RAM 2500 new owner here. Two check engine lights already with less than 5k miles on its Cummins engine. Both CEL’s were caused by emissions equipment; the first time, the dealer replaced the particulate matter sensor. A few hundred miles later, it was determined that the DPF was faulty. I’m told it had a large crack in it. Kept thinking something was wrong because my tailpipe was getting black with soot, just like the old days. Should’ve kept my 04 Powerstroke. I’ll let them buy this RAM back for sure.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

If soot is on the tailpipe the DPF was forsure faulty. hopefully they can fix her up for you without much issue.

[@ryanteter]

@@TheGettyAdventures thanks! The DPF was replaced. Brief but surprising regen on the drive home. 500 miles (mostly highway) later, my DPF percentage is at 0%. Not sure if that is good or bad… seems like it should be registering some level of soot.

[@annomyous1]

Im not letting them touch my 2018 ram 3500 with under 15,000 miles. 6 speed g56. Nah it runs fine like it is. You want I'll pull out the 05 2500 6 speed 189k complete rebuilt pre emissions coal roller. Make things better roll out the 00 f250 7.3 😂😂😂

[@seanfritz1355]

I've been a part of both of Rams Dieselgate allegations. I had a 2014 Ecodiesel. And now have a 2018 2500 Cummins. I've had the recall done on 1/4/24. It didn't seem to effect the truck as much as the AEM recall did for the Ecodiesel. But the second revision of that helped. So i think the Cummins one is just mapping the emissions to what they are supposed to be full time.

[@SegoMan]

Funny how they still passed emissions testing in the states that require it..

[@timothyburnside3229]

All of this to reduce emissions a very tiny percentage at the expense of mpg and high cost of maintenance and DEF! My 1995 Cummins got 20 MPG in Town, 25 or better on Highway at 75 MPH!

[@jasonlovell3934]

The fact that Cummins didn’t fight this makes me never want to buy one of these engines. As an American I apologize for the EPA. Hopefully after the next election we can get them under control.

[@cwp1alpha]

EPA has been overstepping their power too much, when it comes to Americans and our clean burning low-sulfur diesel. Choking of the diesels with power robbing garbage from 2003 onwards, it's no wonder older diesel light-duty trucks and pre-emissions semi-trucks are becoming the go-to vehicles of choice for their reliability and durable proven simplified features. The irony is, one can drive into Central and South America and have no emissions requirements for diesel engines, and likely the same in Asia, India, the Caribbean, the Middle East and all of Africa. And those nations that now buy our clean burning coal for their power plants and use pure petroleum diesel fuel without low-sulfur mandates or bio-fuel mixed ingredients that are crappy in Midwest and upper USA winter temperatures, are laughing their butts off at the obedient Americans to the beauracratic b.s. crammed down our throats by corrupt politicians and their UnConstitutionsl puppet organizations like the EPA.

[@sketchyssk8shop]

There are not enough electric cars chargers in the USA. Epa is tasked with stealing money to get another charger company made

[@willy5242]

Electric cars and trucks will go the way of the DoDo Bird, will become extinct and remembered as a major farce -- and some Old Shit on capitol Hill wants to see electric cars to be the new means of transportation, what a bunch of Horse Shit...

[@mikemakuh5319]

The whole "Environmental Protection Agency" is not about the environment, its about oppression! If they were concerned the first to go should be the military industrial complex (biggest single poulterer) next should be the "chem trail" industry!

[@edt689]

Would it be the VB6 recall? I had mine done 1yr ago and they swap back to cp3 as well free of charge.If it is, i didnt notice any difference in power or mileage but maybe used a little bit more def fluid . my exhuast system fell off recently 😉.

[@Danpopup]

I believe the recall designation is A67.

[@zacknickels4311]

Every time you say "NOx" The Value of my 00' 7.3 Excursion , My 06' 5.9 Mega Cab goes up! 😁😁

[@TheGettyAdventures]

It really is a dirty and expensive word. nox sensor - 1000 bucks. nox efficiency issues - $180/hour for diagnostic work.

[@mikes4352]

Love my 5.9 '07 mega cab. (Born Dec. '06) Was tempted a few times to upgrade to newer vehicle. Never did because of emissions on newer rigs. So glad I never did

[@FixItStupid]

Same 1999 F350 7.3 From NEW & For Life

[@jaydasilva969]

Im in ontario still havent got my letter for my 2018 but honestly just going to use it to start the fire in my wood burning stove since those “parts” fell off while driving

[@is6566]

Alex, this video was great! Thank you for making it.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thank you!

[@northerngunner2756]

Whats going through my head you ask. My answer “Glad I bought a 5.9 instead of a 6.7”.

[@kisielthe1st]

Everytime I come across a video or an article addressing this I arrive at the same conclusion. That making engines with less horsepower is the obvious solution. You even said it in the video - the same engine platform used in a different application has an easier time meeting emissions regulaitions (regardless if you find them necessary or warranted) I can hardly blame the manufacturer, they are in the business of making things people want to buy and when people want 400+ horsepower in their grocery getter they have no other option but to make it. Nobody wants to be the first one to offer less power than the outgoing model, because a journo will get a press car and make a multi-million view video on KZbin titled - don't buy it, its slow. I never understood why it was acceptable for a truck this size to make 200-250 horsepower 30 years ago but nowadays nobody would even consider buying such a vehicle as it would become the butt of every automotive journalist's joke. Marketing departments of car companies run them against the wall with no option to get out by convincing everyone that a truck that's going to spend vast majority of their time with an empty bed and occasionally a car transporter behind it needs 400 horse. And the worst part is that engineers are getting blamed for trying to work with what they've got by making decisions that ultimately lead to pre-mature death of every single one of these power units. Horsepower wars and automotive journalists are the real source of the problem. A Toyota Hilux sold in Australia or Europe makes less than 200 horse. And the owners will tell you it's perfectly fine.

[@orvalaltwasser505]

Couldn’t agree more. My old 1979 Chevy crew cab made a disappointing 170 hp( probably an exaggeration) . Got the job done on my farm for 18 years. My current truck has a 5.3 l - 330 hp gas engine, and it’s just nuts how that thing will go. Way more power than it needs. Just dumb in my estimation!

[@davidsimpson3744]

Good for you you don't need hp and torque. Some of us buy diesel trucks to work them hard and appreciate the job they can do for us!

[@orvalaltwasser505]

Yes David , I hear you. I need horsepower on my farm as well, just to get my crops out of the field and into the grain terminals. I own two tractors , a 175 hp air cooled diesel , a 550 hp 4 wd , seeding tractor , and two 500 hp tandem axle grain trucks. Horse power has always been wonderful, if and when you need it. However, I also believe in the adage . “As much as needed- no more than required”. I don’t need 330 hp to chase parts, but that seems to be where auto manufactures are taking us. I enjoyed your reply . Cheers!

[@kisielthe1st]

@@davidsimpson3744 do you tow 40 thousand pounds behind your diesel truck? no? then what kind of fucking work you do that you where 400+ horse works hard?

[@michaelloth5870]

I own a 2000 Dodge Ram Cummings so no issue for me, however the government needs to stay out of our Diesel engines, out of our Fuel can, out of our toilets, out of our showers heads, out of our dish washers, out of our wash machines, out of our dryers, out of our lawn mowers, out of our chain saws, etc... I have mostly old stuff because it works and lasts, like a 1986 Maytag washer and Dryer. They have required little service in 38 years and no they are NOT for sale.

[@Greg-bu7mi]

Good content! straight to the point and easily understood!

[@topcat5988]

I don’t know why everyone gripes about emissions… It doesn’t make that much difference and we prove to the environmental community that we innovate our way to a cleaner planet. Everyone who “loses” their emissions equipment in a “boating” accident just hurts all the rest of us.

[@GardnerOutdoors]

I got my recall notice last week. I am holding off on doing anything until I know more. I’m still emissions equipped 2018 2500. I have my doubts that politicians know how to tune a truck.

[@pearlexr95337]

I have 2023 3500 and 2022 2500, the 2500 had the recall done late December 2022 as a smog and registration were due by 12/31/23. Along with the recall they had to replace a NOx sensor that had gone out at 38 k miles. The w/o also states that the ECU has been flashed and is "currently up to date for all emissions calibrations". I am not sure if this has anything to do with what is happening or not, but the truck runs normal with no signs of any power loss, however I did notice that the truck seems to use more DEF since I got it back. I am curious to know if anyone else has had the ECU flashed and if anything was noticed with the truck performance.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

ya I would do the same, I'm expecting more info to leak out as the months pass.

[@jnljnl8485]

The guberment won't go after duromax engines. That's what they have banks build emissions deleted for them and polititions here are likely getting big kickbacks from the Chinese who cast the blocks.😂😂

[@8mywaythruit]

2016 2500 6.7 here ... Stock from factory and looking to keep it that way. Staying on top of mtce intervals and so far ive been lucky with minimal issues. Worried? Yes! I'm worried I'll be mandated to take it in and comply with whatever ecu flash is coming down the pipe. I'll ignore it for as along as i can.

[@rickreese5794]

Same year, ordered Banks intake, Check em out😊

[@happycamper5900]

Same 2016 truck as you. My recall notice went into the circular file. Just curious, why install the Banks Intake? Are you planning to lose the rest of the emissions junk?@@rickreese5794

[@CornFed_3]

You have a 2016 and never tuned/deleted it? Big oof. That was one of the best years to do it on prior to everything (good tuners) disappearing from the market.

[@jamesflake6601]

Let's talk about DEF and the problems with it. Not only are the boxes creating huge waste problem but if anything in the atomizers is going wrong --and they often do, then you are putting a white toxic heavy gas way worse than any old diesel

[@markracey5541]

Very informative Alex. I appreciate the clear explanation of all the emission components and their purposes. Showing the Cat loader exhaust & the tail pipe of the truck runnind was a great example!

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thanks Mark! figured some visuals would help!

[@harrywalker968]

heres an answer,,every one ignores,,because it doesnt involve gas / petrol. ausie.. LPG, PRODUCES NOTHING.. ALL ENGINES CAN RUN ON IT.. ITS A WASTE PRODUCT, USED IN THE PRODUCTION OF ELECTRICITY.. HERE IN AUS, WE SELL IT, DELIVER IT, TO SINGAPORE ECT, FOR 9C LT.. WAKE THE FK UP.. @@TheGettyAdventures

[@harrywalker968]

example of what,, a sore ass.. your being fkt with..

[@PremiumFuelOnly]

​@TheGettyAdventures if you wanted to show the effects of NOx, you could have included a Pic of smog in a city. That's what causes smog.

[@thebeardedtuckfardo6168]

this is why..... CAT got out of the big rig engine business, EPA over reach and ridiculous rules for diesels, egr coolers that wreak the engine, DEF, which is toxic to humans, spose to remove the particles but has more issues than my ex wife , the low sulfur diesel fuel which causes gasket shrinkage is another problem on most of these, i used to work on them old timey engine back when red high sulfur diesel was the fuel that was at the pump, since the 90's when they phased that out its been one nightmare after another with the EPA, and to top all that, all that soot, all that garbage that is filtered through the egr and egr cooler ends right back into your oil, causing damage to the engines, this is nothing more than gov over reach, ya i said it. this is why big rigs, and gasoline engines dont even last that long is the EPA and their bs. buy an old truck and dont worry about all this stupid stuffs.

[@scottkakos4236]

I’m sure if you don’t get the recall they won’t let you renew your license plates which in my state requires an emissions test. I sold my 2017 ram 3500 with a 105,000 miles last summer. It was an awesome truck. I have a 2004 dodge 3500 6 speed that I’ll never sell now.

[@jeffs2809]

No requirement in any of the states around me to have the recall completed to renew registration and no emissions testing (for these trucks anyway) in any of those states either.

[@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601]

​@jeffs2809 not yet...California and New York already started, coming soon.

[@stevenjackson7067]

​@@youtubecantsaveallthesnowf8601, I'm in NY and haven't heard of it here yet, but the bitch governor would recall a tampon if it wasn't full.

[@harrywalker968]

buy old.. my 2000 s/duty, mwm sprint, 4.2tdi, no computer, no glow plugs, all mechanical. gets 13 lt 100 ks, tows 5t, 700nm..love it.. ausie..

[@mikemakuh5319]

This whole "diesel demonetization" is just WEF bull shit! Diesels are plenty clean and so much more efficient than VE's ever will be!

[@Hibbie2963]

The higher Nox, came from the introduction of diesel into the DPF "Diesel Particulate Filter" to drive temperatures up to burn the forbade soot. As a result, DEF is needed to convert the NoX that was created while burning the soot in the SCR "Selective Catalytic Reduction" to a cleaner substance. All because they could see the Soot "Carbon", you know, the building block of all life as we know it in the Universe

[@motofunk1]

The plan is to get rid of diesel. We know it will be quiet a while before that is possible on commercial rigs. Easy target is personal vehicles, which they don't want the people to have anyway. The fine works both as a disincentive to the MFG while also padding the war chest being used against the people now.

[@chrisbrown1462]

The VW issue was basically a "lean burn" at freeway speeds to get better rmileage. Lean is hotter combustion which means more NOX. The fix for Cummins will probably involve more fuel at some points in the power curve - less milage but should not reduce power.

[@jeffs2809]

Diesel combustion is typically very high temperature which = high NoX. The control for that is EGR and SCR/DEF. A lot of EGR makes for a dirty intake (more maintenance)and hurts fuel mpg. IDK if VW was making use of DEF(adblue) during the affected years, but that would’ve been another maintenance item. Anyway, if they reduced the egr (effectively increasing available oxygen) that would improve efficiency of the burn but also increased NoX. I would guess they masked, skewed or disabled any NoX sensor(s) as well. I could see DEF use increasing and possibly fuel use on the affected Cummins trucks. I suspect they’ll go towards increased DEF use, but we’ll see.

[@tonydoggett7627]

My understanding with VW was if the steering wheel was still then the emissions system would comply (eg during a test) but if the there was movement in the steering, as in normal driving, the program changed giving more performance, and emissions became a secondary concern.

[@harrywalker968]

its all bs.. LPG, ALL VEHICLES SHOULD RUN ON LPG. pumps out oxygen.. bronco, 15 yrs, 12.1 comp, no probs. 351, 302 heads, oxygen..

[@cscrum]

Meanwhile, other countries without these ridiculous restrictions have much cooler trucks and SUVs running small diesel engines that don't have to worry about such garbage.

[@roadglide1142]

I’ll just keep persevering along in my 2021 Tundra Platinum 5.7 😊 which runs like a dream . If Ram drops Cumins it will be its demise!

[@TheGettyAdventures]

The golden ticket 5.7 tundra engine. You can't beat it

[@angrybeavers1175]

You know toyota sold 100,000 trucks ram sold 450,000? You couldn't pay me to drive your truck You can't even get 4wd auto in those lol

[@skoffco]

Nor pull anything of any significant weight.

[@mattdaddy_888]

I'm tired of all the climate alarmisim and the blue democrat tree huggers. Defund the EPA!

[@jimm2442]

I did a ton (2 years) of research prior to purchasing my 2021 Chevrolet 3500 L5P Duramax new in Jan 2021. I eliminated Ford right away due to the CP4 and several other known issues (death wobble, upper pan gasket leaks, Fords history building absolute junk) plus as a retired mechanic my career long dislike of Ford based on my experience with them in general. I dismissed RAM because just about everything about the truck except the engine is garbage with a dress on. The 68RFE being one big reason also. My Chevy may prove to be a disaster, time will tell but so far I love it. Tows our 13,000 fifth wheel like a dream and gets decent fuel mileage. As a mechanic I have never been a big fan of any vehicle made in the USA but I needed an HD truck for towing our RV thus the Chevy. If Toyota made a HD diesel truck that is what I would be driving.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

the L5P Duramax is a solid engine with a decent truck around it. I agree with you that the 68RFE is trash and fords love for the CP4 is shocking.