Ram HD or Ford Super Duty: I Pick My Favorite Gas V8 Heavy Weight Truck

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[@JohnS-ps9jv]

Surprised you picked for Ford considering the press ban you received. Bravo calling it the way you think and not crying like Roman has been. My only issue with the Ford is that they don't offer push button start/proximity entry in the lower trim levels. You have to get a Lariat (with Ultimate package) or above to get it. Ram made it standard in every trim.

[@neilmurphy845]

I never heard that is there a video on it

[@hunterdan2002]

They got the ban after they bought the truck

[@JohnS-ps9jv]

@@neilmurphy845 there was. Can't find it now so they probably took it down. They leaked too much info on the new Bronco and Ford "Uninvited" them from the new Bronco and 2021 F-150 unveiling's.

[@TFLtruck]

Here’s the link to the video that Ford does not want you to see. LEAKED! The 2021 Ford Bronco Will Have 7-Speed Manual With A Crawler Gear & Front And Rear Lockers! kzbin.info/www/bejne/bJqnqnujdrOan9E

[@Johnysoutherner]

So Ford wants to punish someone for doing what they have been teasing to do for over a decade!? I'm a big Ford guy but shit on the ones that made that decision

[@sigfan4521]

I make the aluminum parts for ZF, the process is high pressure die casting which is done by Gibbs diecasting in Henderson Kentucky. It's a pretty good and well made part. The quality and tolerance is tough.

[@CZ-kz7ug]

Price of new trucks reminds me why I personally keep patching my pickup, and keep the chassis undercoated.

[@nathanmacdonald6163]

I picked up a 17 ram for a good deal. Paid off in 4 years and I plan to run it till it can’t move anymore. Even cars/suvs are getting out of hand for prices.

[@anthonymacneil2279]

@@nathanmacdonald6163 Agreed

[@davidcaskey4669]

I got a 95 dodge with a 12 valve Cummins 5 spd I like the old truck and have looked at new ones. If only the 95 had better cup holders for this old man. May buy a new truck and just keep my old dodge for when I want to go for a ride in a real truck manual transmission and no limp mode it either runs or it doesn't don't need a team of computer geniuses to fix it and I the old one can tow the new one in

[@kunu98]

David Caskey the cup holders in my 97 are absolutely horrendous lmao. But, solid axle and super simple to work on. I’m happy with it. Just a basic truck with a radio n ac

[@scarhart53]

I wish I'd done that with my '89. Price, insurance and yearly tax on my new one is through the roof!

[@jasonwheeler8996]

I think a average buyer would be happy with both trucks, I just can’t get past the 70K price for a work truck.

[@atomictyler]

For a GAS one on top of that. Yikes.

[@BreckoniousMaximus]

70K for any truck is absurd.

[@jedironin380]

@HalfShell Tradesman + Power Wagon package. YES! :)

[@ragrle]

I can't get over the fact unless you pay the big bucks you can't get locking differentials.

[@jasonwheeler8996]

Ragrle Graggle I had a 2014 F 150 STX that was optioned with a locker. I think every truck should come standard with one though.

[@6013kmb]

Had the Ford 250 XLT got rid of it and bought the Ram 2500 Tradesman. First thing I noticed was the ride quality and handling. A world of difference. Even towing my 5th wheel was an improvement. Ford had 2.5" squat, Ram has 1.5" All around better truck. Glad I made the switch. Thanks for the video! Been waiting for it. Looking forward to see the towing up the Ike video. 👍RAM👍

[@6013kmb]

@Car&Track7 Most motors were awesome back in the day. As for today I like my Ram and will never by another Ford. I had all 3. Ford, Chevy and Ram. And since I owned all 3 gives me the upper hand on my opinion. I'm Not a one brand guy. I once had all 3 brands sitting in my driveway until I got rid of the ford.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Kenny B I've owned all 3 and can officially say that they all make shitty trucks, so buy what you like. The ram has a better interior and ride quality though.

[@seanathanq]

For roughly 60.00 you can get the soft open tailgate kit from a Ford dealer parts department, very easy to install, just did it on my father's Tremor XLT 7.3

[@ST-wi9eq]

Andre, great that you actually get underneath the truck to show the differential, air suspension, etc. So much more interesting to watch! Great job! 👍

[@TennesseeTanker]

Those Ram interiors are pretty amazing, but I'm VERY excited for the 7.3s!!!

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Nice comfy interior to be in when the RAM quits and needs a tow truck. Most standard sized tow trucks are Ford because reliability and longevity does matter.

[@rsd3273]

@@sergeantmasson3669 Idk bud I work for dodge dealer in Houston texas. I previously was part time while finishing diesel mechanics. I saw lots and lots of issues with 10 speeds and I’m not ram fan boy. But recently after just 2 years in my trade. Ram is on top I never thought they would be but god the comparison of quality is a joke Ford cheaps out on a lot. They also seem to over engineer everything. My time at ford as a auto tech this is a different topic but those eco boost are horrid. Also for some reason I saw terrible issues on their 1 ton trucks with steering components. I do mobile diesel mechanics on the side sadly I was a Ford guy but they’re my biggest customer!

[@rsd3273]

@@sergeantmasson3669 Also I was with halliburton for a long time before my change of careers. Litterally all the hot shot trucks are rams. It’s not that fords power train was so much of an issue but I spoke to lots of guys unloading them. I always heard them bitch about their fords which as a young man loving ford hurt😂. Now working on trucks I clearly see the difference in quality. Also ram gets a bad wrap for their hemi lines with the transmission jokes or lifters. Shit I’ve seen lots of hot shot guys i service at Chrysler ram with well over 300k and no issues on power train what so ever! Obviously you’ll have you’re regular wear and tear with running something hard for a long time but as for power train the ram talk on trans and hemis, 6.7’s. Is pretty much a slang and a myth.

[@rsd3273]

@@sergeantmasson3669 Now ford isn’t complete ass that’s not what I’m saying but I honestly can’t sit here and agree with you especially when I touch trucks everyday.

[@johnnicpon5783]

I chose the Ram. 2020 2500 Limited MegaCab with 4.10 rear end. Works great towing my 30' Airstream. Plenty of room with the MegaCab and GREAT ride. We love the luxury interior.

[@camonly849]

I just hate how you have no payload with that.

[@charleshanson6512]

I'm considering the same truck - MegaCab Limited 2500. What is the payload on the door sticker on your truck? And did you get the air suspension, or go with just the coil (non-air) suspension?

[@johnnicpon5783]

@@charleshanson6512 Payload is a bit north of 2400 pounds. I have the air suspension and love it. Standard height has the bed slightly higher than the cab. Alternate trailer height has the truck completely level, I use this for towing. And the low height helps with getting the ball under the hitch coupler. You can't actually drive in this position. The air suspension also make for a better ride. And the Mega Cab is the bomb! So much room and the back seats actually recline a bit. Great when we have company camping.

[@justingill5256]

@@johnnicpon5783 lol just barely over f150 payload on 5.0 😆 The neighbor had a new ram one t with Cummins the only thing good in it, was the engine he threw out the transmission and rearend quick pullin a heavy trailer that his 6.4 3/4ton did for awhile but also had rearend issues also electrical issues with both.

[@justingill5256]

It's funny cause hes a hardcore ram guy and now he drives F350

[@richardfreezy4369]

I bought a 2019 ram tradesman 2500 HD with the 6.4. Absolutely love it. With the 410 gears I yank my ten thousand pound rig up and sown 6degrees better than my last diesel did.

[@Kim-ek2mt]

Richard, What kind of mileage do you get ?

[@richardfreezy4369]

@@Kim-ek2mt on the 6 degree trips i avg about 8.5 hauling an average of 65 -70 mph. i just recently flat landed it and got 10.5 hauling 9000. Not hauling on a two lane doing 60 i got 19.5 and doing 70 on the freeway i avg 17.5. all with the cruise on and AC.

[@richardfreezy4369]

@@Kim-ek2mt first things first you have to figure out how to drive the eight speed. I'm a gear head and i struggled. then i realized i had to drive it like i knew nothing about transmissions. 40 different shift patterns and it changes patterns if you change. thus why it'll drive you mad if you try to drive it and be easy on it like you would in the old 4,5,6, speeds

[@jeffw6894]

​@@richardfreezy4369 Are you still loving your 6.4? Any updates?

[@richardfreezy4369]

@@jeffw6894 absolutley love it and the more I look around and listen i get confirmation i bought the best truck i could for my needs. gas mileage got better which was a nice bonus. the only complaint i have that is truck related is the radio turning off and on by itself. my other complaints are more of a factor of i couldn't afford more basically. Not gonna lie though i would love that Ram EV if the charging networks ever get around to being trailer friendly and everywhere like gas stations are today.

[@mmateri]

Andre, this was a fantastic video. As a car salesperson you have really touched on some challenges, and solutions that can really be used. Thank you for this. Great work sir!

[@gavinmurray2848]

I’ve got the Ram 2019 Power Wagon had it nearly a year 9000 miles plus done and 3000 plus of those towing my Airstream can’t fault the truck love it 👍🏻

[@brandondykes0000]

Agree completely with the winner. As a mechanic of 20 years, Ford is generally more reliable, for a blue collar guy, that's the name of the game. I still drive a tundra though, don't need all the towing. Good review Andre!

[@lawrence4573]

Ford 7.3 all the way!!! Ford hit the nail on the head with the 7.3 gas engine. Great Review Andre👍💪

[@michaelmcmillon5933]

Just hoping that the 7.3, a updated 5.0, or the mustangs 5.2 makes it to the new raptor as a option. Considering the Ram TRX is getting a hemi.

[@15Jeep]

@@michaelmcmillon5933 Most likely NO V8 in a Raptor from Ford off the assembly line. However.....if you really want an F-150 with V8 engine.....with Raptor suspension OR the better aftermarket Icon suspension...it is a Raptor replacement suspension...it is available WITH or WITHOUT the Raptor body parts and panels.....anyone can have this type of truck if they already have a regular F-150 with 5.0L V8.....from PaxPower - v8Raptor.com . The suspensions cost between $7,000.00 and $8,500.00 installed. Whipple Superchargers are an option. PaxPower uses lighted fender flares on trucks not getting the Raptor body parts and panels.

[@nativetrader3822]

@@michaelmcmillon5933 Read an article yesterday comparing the 2021 TRX to the 2020 Raptor. Next Raptor rummored to have the GT500 V8 & an optional hybrid engine option.

[@shanechambers9529]

@@nativetrader3822 ah yes, an optional option lol

[@aljones9114]

I have a 2016 2500 ram 6.4. It's a tradesman. I love this truck. It has 36,000 miles on it and so far nothing has happened to it. I was really interested in the 7.3 ford but they seem to be having some trouble out of them. When I drive my truck, I put it in 6th gear so the MDS doesnt kick on. I usually drive back roads, unless we are camping. I don't care for the MDS function.

[@goobernuttridge6476]

Andre, great job. Your enthusiasm makes these videos a joy to watch. I'm with you on the Ford.

[@catherinecampagna9174]

freaking love the reviews and love how no matter what has happened you have given everyone an equal chance and let the trucks do the talking. also andre "your hair is touching he roof just a hair" nice

[@biscoe1974]

I have a 2016 ram with 6.4 hemi and i love it. One of the best trucks ive ever owned.

[@billrobsham697]

You must have owned a lot of junk

[@dakotajohnson2182]

6.4 hemi is the better option currently. 7.3 has developed lifter issues just like the LS engines which it copies in design. 8 speed ZF is a 1000x better than Fords 10r140. Very very minimal issues with those ZF 8 speeds. The most I’ve seen is valve bodies due to the tcm being built into the design. 10r140 has rear planet issues (recall), CDF drum issues, and valve body issues with valves sticking due to clearance issues (bore wear, cheaply made valves), manufacturing defects, crossleakage, etc. 6.4 hemi has a stainless steel designed exhaust manifold hardware so it’s not susceptible to the typical 5.7 broken exhaust stud. So far I haven’t personally ran into any 6.4 hemi cam issues however I have heard of some happening. Same design as the 5.7 hemi and the lack of lubrication is the major cause of premature cam failure and lifter failure. I personally love both my Mopar trucks and my super duty pickups but the numbers are so close I’d much rather have a 6.4 gasser than a 7.3 simply due to the trans issues with ford. If it’s was 68RFE behind that 6.4 I’d choose a 7.3 10 out of 10 times. That 8 speed makes a major difference. Ford trans/diesel specialist for 4 years, Cdjr diesel/trans tech for 3 years.

[@robertwhitey6621]

I’ve owned 4 Super Duty diesels I recently purchased a 2020 F-350 dually 7.3 Godzilla engine with 3:73 gears pulling a 30’ 8000lb boat is no problem for the 7.3, I really can not give any towing mileage numbers because I’ve only towed less than 50 miles per trip. On road trips to CO from MI loaded to the max (9500 GVW) I averaged 13.5, the best mpg when I drove the 7.3 diesel stick shift truck was 14.5. After 2 years it’s so far so good

[@brad3139]

i LOVE that ram. they knocked the 3/4 ton styling out of the park

[@Pilot545]

Ford guy but I agree. Ram is making some really good looking trucks inside and out. Especially agree about their HD, though. Looks great!

[@Kahne-yy3vq]

@@Pilot545 I feel bad for Ford F-150 guys. The new gen doesn’t look as aggressive as the last gen. Last gen, all F series trucks looked heavy duty and I miss that.

[@moparmaga]

Andre, you are the best automotive journalist out there on any medium! Thanks.

[@leafywatson249]

Me&wifey had them all but we both are going back to ford from our past experiences we can't wait to buy our new ford 350 big Godzilla we love y'all for these great videos thanks.

[@toddbarbour5333]

Have been very happy with the Rams for the last 20 years. My 2017 2500 6.4 HD Hemi gets 17.5 mpg at 70-75 mph highway speeds. As for the stock tires, the Transformer AT is very soft and wears quickly. Will have the dealer switch them out next time before driving it off the lot. Thanks for the comparison video!

[@drtb69]

Wow. Thats damn good. I have a 2019 getting about 12.5 -14 mpg. Then put michelins on and pro dry s air filter and cat back exhaust with tune..still only 15 mpg if i dont get on it too hard.

[@JeffreyBMathewsCPALLCSulphur]

what gears do you have in the 6.4? TIA

[@dougswamprat5275]

TFL owns a pick up, still puts cargo in the back seat.

[@Lisa4Me2]

Ford Super Duty for me. My current truck is the new 2020 F-350 Lariat in Blue Jeans Metallic with the 7.3 liter Godzilla motor and all-new 10 heavy duty automatic. Love it.

[@GearJamminHank]

Thanks for taking the time to compare these. Unfortunately I'm still torn! 🤣

[@litebulbcw]

Great Video, I'm a long long time Ford owner, currently in a 7.3L Tremor XLT. Dodge is really stepping up the game and pressuring Ford no doubt and i will for sure consider them on my next truck.

[@davidb9323]

🤤

[@letd1995]

love these comparison videos i’m really close to purchasing my 7.3 f250

[@Lisa4Me2]

I've owned 4 Super Duty pickup trucks. Bought all 4 brand new. 2010 F-250 XLT Vermillion Red. Nice truck. Kept it just over 7 years and then traded it in on my 2017 F-250 XLT Race Red. Traded that in 18 months later on my 2019 F-250 XLT Premium trim level Agate Black Metallic. THIS was a nice truck. Liked it a lot. BUT, I wanted that new 7.3 liter Godzilla motor with the new 10 speed auto. So, once again, after just 18 months, I traded in my 2019 F-250 on a 2020 F-350 Lariat w/ the new 7.3 liter motor and 10 speed auto. Love it!! And it WILL get up and go! You can certainly feel the power difference between this new 7.3 liter big block vs the 5.4 I had in my 2010 AND the 6.2 liter I had in my '17 and my '19. Oh and, despite what the 6.4 liter Hemi fans say, this truck sound incredible in person. I get compliments on it all the time. Yes even with the factory exhaust. Buy one. You'll see.

[@letd1995]

Lisa4Me2 thank you for that i’m glad you stepped up on trim and to f350. this one should be a keeper

[@Lisa4Me2]

@@letd1995 It's a keeper.

[@angelicadickson8666]

@ubeuonly 1 Don’t drive every mans truck but listen to me, interesting.

[@roblundgren5226]

You don’t need a diesel with 7.3 that engine with 4;30 would pull very good mi might hurt s little but with price of diesel and the oil change on a diesel

[@BigTony1710]

Great review! Funny how stock ram exhaust is way louder than aftermarket exhaust on the ford 😂

[@Carlos113ese]

I have a 2500 ram 2020 tradesman I use it to tow about every day n it shifts so smoothly

[@pauldavis5665]

I love how Chevy is not even part of the conversation. Everyone knows Chevy makes the worst trucks. lol Ford and Dodge both make great trucks, but I always preferred Ford.

[@bradzimmerman3171]

Paul you are right but dodge division of FIAT Chrysler doesn't build trucks ( FIAT RAMtries to do it)

[@jeffmc306]

Dodge last built a truck in 2009. The RAM 1500 was the Truck of the Year in 2019 and the RAM 2500/3500 is the 2020 Truck of the Year. They must be doing something right. I grew up in a GM family, became a NSE certified mechanic at GM dealers and bought a 2019 RAM 2500 after test driving a Chevy and GMC. Love it!

[@michaelmcmillon5933]

😂😂😂😂😂 that interior I’ll never get over it and the HD Silverado’s front end. Someone should’ve been fired for that. I wouldn’t have even released that fugly thing

[@marcharris2734]

Nope. Dodge is junk Chevy is a better truck. May not look as good but dodge quality is poor.

[@ZmannR2]

Ford and Ram*......not Dodge

[@mikesgmail896]

For me its not about spending the 10k up front.. I dont want the endless maintenance from running a diesel.

[@DaveHoffmancowboyhiker]

Love them both! Thanks for the comparison. I would take either one but I think the Ford edged up one notch for me too, because of the extra torque.

[@scottandrews4822]

Yes, but you can't feel the 63 lb ft difference.

[@kennethcarroll4994]

@@scottandrews4822 when they run the gauntlet towing challenge you cnw definitely see the difference.

[@rickgoing7027]

@@kennethcarroll4994 The question then is the extra power for towing worth the lesser gas milage and giving up the better driving characteristics of the Ram for something that is an occasional thing? If it is then the diesel is the engine to get if you are going to tow regularly.

[@Dean-zx6nx]

The 8 speed brings the Hemi to life!

[@Dean-zx6nx]

I did a 1662 mile road trip from Pennsylvania to Georgia and back...19.1 MPG average

[@waldero04]

So second gear up the Ike now?

[@toofastnobrakes]

Dean damn right. Love mine 💕

[@larrydunlop378]

Your bang on the money Bud! Only thing is they should have put it in the HDs about 5 years ago. Awesome transmission !

[@marcharris2734]

Somthing had to.

[@digdeep9898]

That spare tire has Permanently marked up the underside of the back seat.... And it will ruin the Springs if you don't get it off of it soon.... Should have put it in the bed with some type of locking device.... You guys do dam good work keep it up!!!

[@malmonmontor5744]

How much the prices of both trucks the ram hd250 and the ford f250

[@mozeby1975]

Or they could have bagged the tire. Whenever I switch from winter to summer wheels, I got some huge michelin "garbage" bags the dealer gave me.

[@MrTonaluv]

You forgot they are gonna put a camper in the tray of that Big Super Duty

[@superduty131]

Hemi RAM all the way!! Great motor, Trans, and Interior. And I'm a Ford man. Sorry Ford, but the time to step up the interior has passed you by!!

[@DavidWilliams-hf8sc]

2:35 I like how Andre gets a little embarrassed at actually taking the Ford out for a little play time)) Nice to see people having fun with their toys.

[@daniel1k793]

Love TFL. Wish since you do so many drag races, you did it with times at a 1/8 or 1/4 mile strip. Get the data like you did with the 5 star tuner videos

[@robertbutler8004]

Drag races in these type of vehicles are just plain childish!

[@CactusJack252]

@@robertbutler8004 and yet people build these and drag race them

[@alanj7306]

Right, you can slap 👋 numbers on anything. It’s real world numbers that matter. That’s why they do the Ike Gauntlet...

[@nd4spd325]

I been saying this also. Strap 9,000lbs of camper behind them n let it fly. Thats real world testing

[@campingwithvoyager1]

I have the 7.3. Got in in March. been on at least 12 camping trips towing a 8,000 lb tt. No problems. We love it . Great power and pick up. No sway. We only wish they would of put a bigger gas tank in the short bed truck

[@JBurt13]

I was close to pulling the trigger and ordering a 2020 Ram 2500 Mega Cab 6.4 and trading in my 2016 F150 but 2 simple but common sense things kept me from the Ram. (1) Come lake / summer season, I'm stepping in / out of my truck box constantly packing things up for family trips. I can always trust my stable and secure "Man Step" in the F150 tail gate. The Ram just has that dinky little corner pull out step. One summer with the Ram, I would probably end up on the ground with a broken ankle / leg, or cursing myself for not buying a Ford. Watching different KZbin reviewers over the years, they almost always demonstrate getting in / out of the Fords using the Man Step. But watching the same reviewers review the Ram trucks, they kick out the Ram step just to show what it looks like, then just kick it right back in. You never see them demonstrate its use with themselves getting in / out the Ram's box. Hmm.....why is that? (2) I'm a 6'5" tall Paramedic. My right knee is about 1/2" from the Ram 2500 Hemi dash when sitting comfortably and about 1" away from the dash when sitting right up uncomfortably. In the Ford Super Duty, my knees are a good 3-4" away from the dash. I know if I get in a frontal crash impact in a Ram, my right knee is going straight into that dash and I will have leg injuries. My legs will have a safer chance if ever in a crash in the Ford. Ram should of put a bigger redesigned cab on the 19/20 Heavy Duty. I have a 2020 velocity blue Ford F250 Lariat 7.3 Godzilla with the trusty "Man Step" on order right now and will be happy I bought it over the Ram.

[@tomdefosses4212]

I use the step on my Ram almost daily. When the tailgate comes off to install my sander in the winter, I still have my step attached. When I need to get into the bed with my 32' camper attached, I can still use my step. How about that "man step"? Granted, the same step can be added to the Ford, but the step is great because I don't need to drop the tailgate to use it.

[@thisguy5050]

you need to learn how to adjust your seat, i am 6'9" and have a god 4-5 inches between my knee and the dash

[@tiffanyjackson147]

RAM all day I own one

[@cretus5113]

I am liking the 2019 Ram Bighorn/Lonestar I have. I drove a 2019 F150 Lariat for 6 months before getting the Ram 1500. I was shocked at what you get for a much better price with the Ram than the F150 Lariat. I know the Big Horn / Lonestar is basically a decked out XLT model. I have been very impressed with the 5.7 Hemi over the 2.7 Eco boost over the last three weeks i've had the Truck. If you're wondering why I am not driving the F150 anymore... It is because I had 3 transmissions replaced before 7k miles on it, and just recently completed a buy back. So I tried the RAM because it was more affordable. The prices on these trucks once you start getting into the features you want gets really pricey.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

I call bs on that or driver error, You sound like a ram fan boy

[@toofastnobrakes]

Silent but Deadly i had a 2004 F-150 do the same 😕

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Silent but Deadly awww.. You sound like a butthurt Ford fanboi!

[@dannyroy4411]

Bravo just continue encourage one of the biggest thief compagny!

[@cretus5113]

@@freedomisntfree_44 Want to see the 6 months of emails, paper work, and numerous visits to the dealership? All i've ever owned were Ford Vehicles. I wanted a ford truck so I got one. Didn't pan out so I tried a Ram. The 10R80 Transmission was faulty on that truck. I got a lemon. So instead of paying that 56k for the Lariat I decided to go much cheaper since Covid-19 hit my area back in March. I am not a fan boy by any stretch. I am just speaking from personal experience. Somebody got mad that I didn't consider a Chevy as well.

[@joshmata4541]

Ram has come a long way although the blue oval gets my cash

[@iwanaGoFast2010]

GM beats both of these turds.

[@preachraps1459]

iwanaGoFast2010 yeah right

[@TurboquandoGaming]

iwanaGoFast2010 you must live under a rock saying that 🤣🤣🤣

[@bkranz-1283]

iwanaGoFast2010 heck no! GM trucks feel cheap, small, and lacking in visibility the moment you hop in a ford or ram of a similar year. And from working at a mechanic shop, it seems like every older gm truck has at least some kind of noticeable steering slop or front suspension issue. I see way more brake line issues with gm trucks, and GM’s frame coating just seems to melt and peel off after a year or two. 15 year old ford’s and rams have less frame rust than every 4 year old or newer GM truck I’ve seen/worked on. The rancho rear shocks are always good and rusty too even on newer trucks. And although I have yet to see a major failure on a 5.3 in my shop, it’s not too comforting to see an engine that used to take 10w-30/5w-30 now recommend 0w-20 for 2014-present. And every newer 0w-20 5.3 I pull in to the shop seems to have juuuust a slight valve train tap. I could probably take a good guess as to why lol.

[@alyx1715]

@@iwanaGoFast2010 gm barely makes a better pick up than Nissan and Toyota. Its literally at the bottom of the big 3.

[@mustangdbest220]

There was a Ford ad before this video and I take the Beautiful Ford all the way

[@Dylan-xm3es]

Thats disgusting

[@Dylan-xm3es]

Tbh

[@barrysoetoro3488]

Death wobble buyer beware

[@damontroch4765]

Please that POS Ford will probably need Manifold Bolts by the end of the week.

[@mustangdbest220]

Dylan YOUR DISGUSTING

[@jdhunt1284]

I’ve got the 7.3 in my 28 foot jayco motor home I’ve put it through hell hasn’t broke yet

[@mattisaac2217]

Great video as always Andre personally my opinion I would still pick the ram the forward interior is just outdated that's why I bought a 2019 ram 2500 Laramie gas with ram Box in December love the truck

[@jeffw6894]

Any truck updates?

[@leobruneau6906]

That hemi sounds awesome stock excaust

[@toxictoons1374]

The only thing lacking is the race , you’ll should of raced them.

[@cumminsman4670]

WHO is buying a 2500 PU to be fast?🤔 I want Fuel eco. & how does it pull...

[@tivowillieb]

Yup should have raced them for sure.

[@brandondykes0000]

The Ford was already upgraded. That would have negated the whole thing

[@taylorfriesen4032]

Thats racist

[@Ted_Stryker]

@@taylorfriesen4032 Ba da tiss

[@johnwalters755]

My last three trucks have been Rams, no problems great trucks. My son has owned Rams and Fords the maintenance on his Ford compared to the Rams? The Ram wins hands down! Two of my nethews own Fords, they keep the mechanics busy!

[@terrantalsma5542]

I have a Ram Heavy duty 6.4 hemi and let me tell ya that thing will get up and go

[@bryanthompson5109]

I’ve lined up against my dads 7.3 with 3:73 gears 10speed I’ve got a 2019 power wagon with 4:10 8 speed and I walk him in the quarter mile the hemis are fast

[@RickysHP]

@@bryanthompson5109 trucks aren't made for drag racing. The RAM 6.4L Hemi took two MINUTES longer to make it up the Ike Gauntlet than the 7.3L Ford. Ram's transmission programming always has and always will be trash.

[@bryanthompson5109]

Ricky C hahaha fords the one having trans issues the 10 speed is garbage mated to the 7.3

[@RickysHP]

@@bryanthompson5109 yeah, right. Dodge hasn't been able to build a transmission to last... ever.

[@bryanthompson5109]

Ricky C keep living the dream bud

[@larryblankenship750]

I have the GM 8.1 in a 38 ft. Class A motorhome with a 5 speed Allison transmission. The motorhome weighs 22000 pounds towing a 4000 pound suv. I drive 65 mph on interstates. Average 7 mpg. It handles the weight very well, it's a beast.The 8.1 has stainless steel headers, k&n filter, dual exhaust with free flow muffler and cross pipe between the dual exhaust pipes. With this setup, I've been told it puts out around 455 hp and 555 ft. lbs. torque. If this engine was in a pickup truck, it would probably smoke the godzilla.

[@troybarnes9297]

8.1 stock 340hp and 455 torque, 7.3 godzilla 430hp and 475 torque stock

[@ryanfillmore]

Love the video! As a Ford truck guy, I like that XLT trim, with a few improvements (like the steering wheel upgrade you did) it would be almost perfect! The RAM is a perfect example of to much tech inside the cab.

[@willie9397]

gotta justify the price, right lol

[@ryanfillmore]

Who does, the buyer or the seller? I'd rather spend my money on a diesel engine and not a bunch of fancy in-cab tech.

[@MrTaffiny1]

I'm not a fan of the interior. it doesn't feel cohesive, too busy, too shiny. junk.

[@Boone9269]

I recently purchased a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 hemi and I absolutely love it. I was driving a 2012 f250 with the 6.7 powerstroke, deleted and tuned. The Ram obviously doesn't have the power or torque of the powerstroke but it does everything I ask of it without the $4.75/ gallon price tag.

[@hunterdan2002]

That stock exhaust on the ram sounds better than the Flowmaster on the d Ford...

[@steezymk8815]

Dan Stewart eh your comparing a small block to a big block, of I’m being quite honest I’d expect the small block to be louder at the lower R’s

[@flagovhate]

@@steezymk8815 explain to me how that makes any sense at all?

[@flagovhate]

Cause flowmaster is junk lol

[@MrStaybrown]

Hemi's sound awesome with an aftermarket exhaust.

[@dodgeguyz]

The Hemi has the nastiest sounding exhaust, most notably when cold started!

[@johnszafarczyk]

im for ram 100% but with that were talking about heavy duty trucks atm and i wouldn't be getting a gasser at all its not worth the size cause in the end the 6.4 and 7.3 are both underpowered for heavy duty trucks. common sense the wieght of the truck and what ever you have in the bed makes it HEAVY. thats why i would go for a ram and take a cummins.

[@timmaw9559]

I did make a choice. I ordered a new super duty 7.3L Godzilla. Now I just have to wait for them to build it😏

[@timmaw9559]

No I got the 3:55 rear end. For the towing I'm going to be doing it's more than enough, ( its rated for 14700lbs off the bumper hitch). Also gives better fuel economy when it's used as a daily driver.

[@gilped959]

Tim, keep us posted on how you like it. Im due to get one soon.

[@markreams3192]

The rotary transmission dial reminds me of the push button transmission in Chrysler Corp cars of the early 60’s. I prefer the column shifter.

[@cliffmorgan31]

Rambler (AMC) had those push buttons on their automatic transmissions also....

[@renntech44]

That Ram looks mighty fine!

[@khyoon14]

You can say that again! Billet Silver!

[@rayborske1546]

Nice video, I enjoy your unbiased opinions. I like the Ford as well. I'm a no frills guy. I like a camera, electric/heated mirrors, heated seats, electric windows and adjustable steering wheel. I'd prefer a manual shifting lever over a knob or switch, but oh well. lol

[@DS_92]

i felt this whole video's tone was "So my friend has this badass RAM 2500 with this and that..." and then a few minutes later ... "but I went ahead and bought this Ford F250 and lifted it with tired and things...it also has cameras, uh....just a basic a/c control here..." hahaha! Just my opinion but the only thing the Ford has over this RAM is the lift kit and tires.

[@TerryCheever]

My 2020 RAM 2500 Laramie 6.4L is great and I upgraded RV to a 40" travel trailer from former 29" and took it from Gillette WY to Las Vegas and back with ease. I don't like Fords so have been a RAM driver from way back and this is my 5th RAM usually trade in/up when warranty expires as they pull loads well always. Last Ford I had was a 1968 Torino that traded in for a light duty pickup from Toyota and took it overseas and left it there. Been driving a gas truck since returned to the states in 1999 and been Dodge then RAM gas ever since as I don't like diesels either as they come with too much overhead and maintenance needs. Some people swear by Fords, and some people swear by diesel, but I wouldn't want one of either.

[@frogdog5604]

Well i have a Power Wagon with the same engine and tranny. @60MPH I get 19.2-19.8mpg. in Oklahoma on flat to rolling hills for a 45min drive. @65 it drops to an avg of 18.5-18.9. east to west and west to east every day. with a cross wind mostly south in summer and north in winter. I love it. it is so powerful. and i only paid 53,000 out the door. given i cant haul like a normal 2500HD. only 10,000lbs or less. I dont need or want to though. im a jeep lover and this thing goes everywhere a jeep can go or gladiator. and its cheaper purchase than the gladdy. and hauls more. anyways. hope this helps whoever is wondering.

[@joelheaton8738]

Trying to be respectful. My 6.7 has 185,000. Miles on it. Maintenance is the key. For ANY Diesel. The IH DT series, MAN Germany, who is supplying Navistar 's new Cummins beater.

[@number1heatrocka287]

Ram for the suspension, interior, and overall styling. Plus I usually see Rams offered at great deals

[@peterad1529]

We have a 6.4 ram 4500 3 yard dump and it has to be the worst transmission/rearend combination I’ve ever driven. I’ve been much happier with our 6.2 and 6.8 fords and our 6.0 Chevys . We added three fords with thr 7.3 and I’ll be curious to how they perform in the coming years l.

[@cjzx325]

Nice comparison! I always enjoy Andre's reviews! Just FYI in the Ford you don't need to hold the key in the start position. Just bump it and the starter will run until the engine starts.

[@briankettleson290]

Maybe it will start, it is a Ford

[@nathanmcdonald610]

Definitely the Ford for me, but I will give Ram credit, this is the best looking truck they've made in my opinion since 1993 and their new Interior is top notch and a step up over the Fords, but Ford has always made a better overall truck.

[@craigwheeler2057]

I am very interested in the 7.3 gas engine with the 10 speed. I plan to wait a couple years and let Ford get the bugs worked out. I am thinking the Godzilla and 10 speed is going to be a great combination. Thanks for the great information

[@Prestiged_peck]

Fun fact, you can get the 6.2 gas with either the 6 or 10 speed still.the f250s with the 6.2 get the 6r140, the f350s with the 6.2 get the 10r140.

[@terryduncan31]

Be prepared for the gas mileage. If you are good with 13-14 mpg's driving it like a car on the highway, I'm sure it will be a good rig. If you tow a lot you're going to stay in the single digits.

[@judysuprtrkr3423]

@@terryduncan31 for SURE on that one!! I have F-250 7.3 10 spd 13.9 mpg 176 wb, empty, 65 mph,

[@SuperSnakePlissken]

Here in central Texas I see both of these trucks all of the time. I have asked owners at the gas station if they are happy and in both cases they say that they are. Clearly Fiat and Ford have both made excellent trucks in these two cases.

[@rustyredram7197]

I so want that 6.4 in the 1500 lineup. GM has the 6.2 which is great and the 5.7 is no slouch but I would love to have the 6.4 option in the 1500

[@terrypage8172]

I have a 2022 F250 lariat on order. Thank you for showing me I made the right decision.

[@poppyneese1811]

I’d get the Ford XLT, for around 50k over the Rich Man’s RAM, but at equal pricing, the RAM to me looks better and I’d probably get the RAM, but over both I’d get Nathan’s Power Wagon don’t care. I don’t have the money for either, but I can dream a little while Andre shows us two nice trucks: As always Great Show TFL Truck, the real Truck Authority!!!👍

[@Greg-op7lg]

Righteous dude what the Toyota Tundra can’t even tow that much. It’s reliable but it’s reliable because of how unimpressive it is. Power isn’t very good, neither is fuel economy.

[@dor1tomcswagger69]

@Righteous go for your Toyota their not as reliable as they say they are and you will spend around a extra $12,000 a year on fuel compared to the rest and not to mention it's the more expensive than its competitors

[@RadDadisRad]

HalfShell agreed

[@ccrumbjr]

If you go to the Toyota dealer and say you're looking for a truck to pull your 12k camper, they will point you across the street to the Ford dealer. Even our local Toyota dealer runs Ford passenger vans for courtesy shuttles and parts deliveries.

[@michaelliechty9906]

Righteous call me a hillbilly then. You dont need a HD truck for your grocery getter

[@briancollier6887]

Have a '17 Big Horn 4x4 with 6'4" box, 30 gallon fuel tank..never get tired of hemi sound and 400hp. Unfortunately only have 3.21 axle so towing is limited for larger RVs.

[@Ekimsnegdoh27]

I would choose the Ford. That engine runs on 87 octane with no cylinder deactivation and it has more power and torque on aluminum body. Ram requires 89 mid grade octane to reach there numbers and drops cylinders but doesn’t save more on fuel

[@Bacnow]

Mike Hodgens - Mike for the win! Bro, you hit the nail on the head!!

[@nelsontrick5660]

i have a 16 power wagon, used 87 for 35k miles and 89 or higher for 10k. doesnt need 89 but feels ever so slightly better with 89+ ( although it could just be in my head). been all over the states ( badlands, mountains, coast) and with a diy camper in the bed, still got 15mpg and that was on a 5,139.5 mile loop with family. all factory and has been perfect, even in the mountains never lost speed. love the 6.4 hemi, 2nd ram owned and will buy a 3rd. dont care for chevy at all, would buy ford as 2nd option though...

[@starmc26]

Tow/haul mode disables cylinder deactivation

[@dangobin1592]

I own the ram 2500 2022 with a tuner runs 18.5 mpg all day long at 75 mph with all the power on demand when your towing/ hauling a load effortlessly

[@DillonPrecisionFan]

I am still waiting to see a 7.3 Godzilla F350 DRW with 4:10 gears and a 6.4 Ram 3500 DRW with 4:10 hears go up the Ike! Both 2020 models of course.

[@Harry-zz2oh]

Where I live finding a 7.3 Godzilla powered F350 is not available unless I special order it. Even then it will take three to four months for delivery. The closest used model is 700 miles away. Not good when I would be going through several Red HOT pandemic zones.

[@DillonPrecisionFan]

@@Harry-zz2oh I have seen a couple on dealer websites around DFW...but I am not in the market for a new truck right now.

[@Harry-zz2oh]

@@DillonPrecisionFan I live in New Mexico where almost all the one ton trucks are diesel powered. I did see one on line which met my desires but it was located in San Antonio. Since I'm in the very high risk category my wife doesn't want me exposed to any disease like COVID19. I'll keep looking but I may end up doing a special order so I can get exactly what I want. Of course, I might wait till the Spring when things hopefully will be safer to travel.

Good to see TFL has changed their rating criteria and not emphasizing soft touch materials above all else. :)

[@JsGarage]

Both compelling trucks making V8 gas engines real option for many. Diesels are awesome but I feel for someone not towing massive amounts regularly they’re just not worth the cost and complexity. For us that want to haul 10K ish and have nice payload these gas engines are looking great.

[@alvinwoods639]

I prefer the Ram.. If your going to pay money for any type of truck these days it's going to cost.. So, you might as well get the one with the most bang for you buck.. Also, the ride quality in the long haul makes a difference. Not only for yourself getting to the destination but also for your payload. That air ride suspension is going to go along ways with towing or hauling stuff that could be fragile or costly. The Configuration of the Ram is also better than the Ford. Thanks and your videos are the best thing You Tube.

[@garyi8608]

At these prices neither.

[@daf62757]

Amen! I buy certified used for my vehicles. You get a good powertrain warranty and about 25 - 40% off what you would have spent for brand new.

[@Gypsum-pro]

Considering as well it probably cost ford about 20k to build it. They get a discount on the materials cause they buy so much. Also they go to the cheapest bidder on a lot of materials and parts. A lot of the build is done by machines. Then you have the dealers profit on top of what you pay to Ford Motor Company. Manufacturer should sell directly to customers. But that won’t happen. CEO makes just under 20 million per year. And that’s just the CEO. One person. You still have maintenance on the plants. Employees. Taxes. Who pays for that? The consumer. But if you got the dough, then have at it.

[@jimrobison114]

@@Gypsum-pro I will try and clarify a few things surrounding truck pricing/profit etc. Industry estimates are that Ford makes an average of $10,000 per F150 sold. Average dealer profit per truck runs between $1000-$2500. At dealerships I have worked for we often sold trucks for invoice minus holdback (3%), leaving about $1,000 front end profit (from volume incentive and floor plan rebates). If we did the financing we made money from financing, warranties and other products. Ford pays line workers between $16-$40/hour plus benefits which can run as much as 50% of the hourly rate. Recently Ford invested $6 Billion (money coming in from the profit on the vehicles they sell) in more machinery in their North American plants alone (this does not count existing machinery) Machinery has to be purchased, maintained, repaired and replaced when newer more efficient models become available. At any given time Ford and other manufacturers have rebates of between $2500-$14,000 so paying sticker price is very rare. The average vehicle sold in the US in December 2020 was just over $40,000 for the first time ever. That is for all sales, not trucks alone. Trucks are more expensive than the average vehicle by a large amount. I do not work for Ford, I am retired after 45 years in various areas of the auto business, wholesale dealer, leasing company owner, general manager, used car manager, leasing manager in new car dealership. Trucks and SUV's are over 70% of vehicle sales nationwide so someone is paying the prices for them

[@Soladaddy]

I occasionally tow 11-12k lbs and fill the truck bed with all kinds of camping gear so I want a bigger bed and more torque.

[@toofastnobrakes]

I’m hoping ram brings back the rumored 7.0 hemi “426” and drop it in the HD line up. Or bring back the 440 and make it a hemi 👍💪

[@hewlett260]

RAM has been testing an updated 426 for the HD line but haven't really mentioned anything about actually putting it into production or power numbers or anything other than the rep that was being interviewed said they would like to put that engine into the Power Wagon with the 8 speed transmission. If they did it, I will be trading my Rebel

[@trudeaumustgo1920]

Make it a hemi? Its just what they call the engine, you dont make an engine a hemi. Lots of vehicles use hemi style heads

[@tskraj3190]

The project was killed off due to it's target consumers only being 3% of their total sales. The 426 Hemi was only going to be available in the Challenger, Charger and Cuda but it was coming with a very hefty price tag. A new dual over head cam inline six is currently in the works.

[@toofastnobrakes]

hewlett260 where did you get this info. I’ve been hunting for info on it for like a year

[@toofastnobrakes]

Trudeau Must go I mean slap a hemi sticker on it 😉

[@MrStaybrown]

I thought ford too, except the megacab has alot of room for the family. That was the only reason I went Ram. They are both live axle up front so ride is rough on both. At 1200 miles I get 19 to 24 on interstate..unloaded. 2019 6.4 hemi 3500. Stoplight to stoplight is 9 to 12ish.

[@Ted_Stryker]

I say time for that 7L Hemi V8 to make it's triumphant return. 😄✊

[@eclipes00]

We could all only wish!

[@toofastnobrakes]

Teddy Mopar either that or bring back the old 440 “7.2” and make it a hemi 👍💪

[@Ted_Stryker]

@@toofastnobrakes Ahh, don't need it. A 426 would make more than enough power to outdo that 7.3. Besides, might as well keep it modest and go for better fuel economy as well.

[@michaelduncan8740]

You need to push the camera button above your radio to access the other cameras that are equipped on your truck.

[@DOC6.7]

I was a Ford owner and switched to Ram after my engine blew. I still have an appreciation for Ford. Ugh! I have to go Ram! The Ford is sick though!

[@chasefeller1279]

Im really torn between the two. My next truck will be one of these two but not sure which way to go. The ram has better styling and features (want megacab, ramboxes and the interior is light years ahead). But Ford is generally a much more reliable truck. Rams have quite a bit of electronics issues, maintenance is easier on the Ford (oil change on the 6.4l is more difficult than fords 7.3l based on oil filter location). Plus the hemis in recent years have been having cam and lifter issues, probably due to material quality of the parts. The 7.3L is new but their interior components appear to be stronger. Time will tell i guess. Ram really needs to incorporate their 1500 cab with the bigger crew cab and go with a 6.75’ bed and improve the 6.4l to be a little more reliable. Ford needs a massive interior overhaul (which the f150 should be getting soon) and maybe needs to innovate a little with features (be awesome if they came with out with a ford-rambox😂). I probably will go with the f250 for reliability but i will always love the look/feel of the ram.

[@coffelt683]

true, my brother in law is a mechanic and was telling me about how they are constantly getting hemi's in the shop with cam and lifter problems. He was saying that the cam's on the newer hemi's with 25,000 miles look like they have about 200,000.

[@flagovhate]

You can get the crew cab with 6.4' bed on some 1500 models. I'm basically in the same boat, it'll all come down to price and interest rate.

[@Marco-fi6gv]

@@cameron-pg8gf lol, you hate Ford owners because the Rams have all those problems?

[@MrHarvey91]

I had a 2016 F250 Platinum diesel. I loved that truck, especially how it pulled cuz of the torque. The only thing I hated and it was a big thing was the WOBBLE. I could not get over that. It would shake on certain highways like crazy and would literally be shaking and moving all over my seat. For spending 65k that was a big let down. Other than that It’s amazing.

[@Bigsteve123]

Dual stabilizers up front would’ve solved that issue for about $300, easy install. That death wobble is crazy though 😂

[@2fast4uates84]

There's an extended coverage for the steering damper FYI

[@newtekbuzz]

Just ordered the 2020 F350 CC 7.3 w/4.30 gears. It’s gonna be amazing. Thanks for the videos.

[@newtekbuzz]

Nah, that’s ok.... you can keep your shit!

[@newtekbuzz]

You got it anyway! 🤷🏻‍♂️😎

[@Kliffy77]

The Ram 2500 is Light Years Ahead of the F250 shocked you choose F250!!!

[@bryansnell]

This is the review I’d been waiting for!!! These 2 trucks are what I’m trying to decide between. Thank you for this video! Looking forward to more on the Ram as you test it, but I’m leaning toward the Ford with the 7.3 right now.

[@flagovhate]

Same, but Ford just jacked up their interest rate in Canada to 5.5%!!

[@glenatgoogle4393]

@@flagovhate - Just left Ford's Canadian website. Built an F250 Lariat, 7.3L, 4x4 , a couple other things -- Interest rate shown was 2.49% "must finance through Ford Credit Canada Company". Used Montreal as local address and redid with Calgary address, same result. (Can't imagine it would be much different elsewhere, but I don't know that.)

[@flagovhate]

@@glenatgoogle4393 yea they just changed it. The promotion ended on June 28th that had high interest. If you wanted an F150, right now it's 4500$ off certain trims and 0% financing, that's pretty decent. I'm still gonna wait though.

[@nd4spd325]

So... what did ya get?

[@stevehuk902]

I'm looking at either a ram of Ford in the next 3 months or so. I think honestly its going to come down to who is offering the best deals at the time.

[@stephendiamond9893]

RAM 2500 Cummins diesel for towing Comes with a tow package 10 speed 4 + 6 NO DOUBT RAM

[@MrTonaluv]

Ford Super Duty for me.

[@camonly849]

Ram doesn't have a 10spd

[@camonly849]

If you dont care about interior. Ford all the way!

[@stevehuk902]

@@camonly849 grabbed a chevy haha. Had mostly what I wanted at a great deal. I tried to order a Ford with the 7.3 and they wouldn't even take my order.

[@nhlcfl7733]

Well, I bought a new HD Truck and sold my great running 8 spd. RAM 1500 Quad Cab (sad to see it go). I think RAM has nicest interiors and ahead of the curve by comparison. Maybe the 6.4 Hemi needs an update (more hp&torque). Bravo FCA, but no more Quad Cab available. So, I went with a Chevy 2500 LT Club Cab with Z71 package. Too bad as well that Ford makes a suicide door Supercab (that format is passé in my opinion and much shorter door than GM/Chev Club Cab). I like the quiet and strong 6.6L gas with 464 lb. ft. Torque and getting 16 mpg (US) when civil with the pedal. I also like that I have 3337 lbs. payload capacity (more than these two demonstrators), and the 82” long standard bed. It fits in my garage too. I like the AutoTrac (an AWD version) for winters/other and keyless entry and start button. But, everyone makes a good truck nowadays depending what you “need” or “like”. Plan to keep it +15 years so that’s why I added Cosmaline undercoating and some Xpel on many body panels.

[@n.elliott9122]

Just test drove the 7.3 gasser. The transmission didn't know what to do. Shifting pattern and points are all over the place. Engine was not smooth or spectacular. Went and drove the ram hemi, and was asking myself, what the heck is Ford thinking. Ram got better gas mileage also.

[@davidbladen5667]

Yeah the new trucks are nice but out of control expensive. I have spent about $3500 dollars on my 2002 Chevy 1500 Silverado upgrading the stock suspension and other things. The ride is great, the engine runs smoother than ever and I'm glad that I don't have $1100 dollar a month truck payments plus higher insurance rates and would have to pay $900 dollars yearly for the dmv registration fees here in kalifornia.

[@MrRfries]

Only 70K what a deal, buy both! I'll stick with my 2003 F350 7.3 for a few more decades.

[@jakewagoner]

I just purchased the exact same Ram same equip steps, air ect.. only with a Cummins instead. I paid $64.5K in Iowa after a healthy discount. I was blown away with the smoothness of the air ride. I'd get that option if possible also personally Id save up the extra dough for the diesel you'll be happier for obvious reasons but you'll get some or all of it $$ back when you sell/trade down the road. Im surprised he didn't mention they stopped building Trucks for a period because of covid- some color option combinations are little hard to find right now.

[@andthegreatcolddeathofthee1737]

I don't see anyone talking about reliability and overall cost of ownership.

[@campbell0162]

Thats what I'm saying. I think all the trucks these days lack lomg term reliability with all the computer junk. That why I buy trucks from the 80s and 90s!

[@damariuseaton6678]

The 6.4 engine is reliable but nit the transmission and a lot of FCA products have issues. The 7.3 is new but I'd be surprised if it has issues because it's a more simpler motor and I think Ford worked out the kinks in the 10 speed, not sure

[@gransport4246]

The ZF transmission is excellent. I wouldn’t worry about it.

[@hellkitty1014]

@@damariuseaton6678 you are clueless. That ZF 8HP is bulletproof.

[@RadDadisRad]

2017escapo this isn’t the 90s, Ram isn’t a Dodge product anymore and they don’t make their own transmissions anymore either.

[@johnleslie9493]

I’m a Mopar guy, cars and trucks, have been for 50 years. I’ve always been more than satisfied with all my vehicles, especially my Ram 1500 5.7. My next truck will be my first 3/4 ton and I will definitely choose Ram. Air suspension, quality comfortable interior, Hemi power...feels like home. Looking forward to the Ike Gauntlet comparison. As always, good job Andre!

[@freedomliberty7611]

Low expectations