Rambling about MSI's AM5 motherboards.

[@chasing_the_horizon]

2:56 MEG X670E GODLIKE 14:21 MEG X670E ACE 18:35 MEG X670E CARBON WIFI 23:58 PRO X670-P WIFI 28:12 MEG B650 CARBON WIFI 36:45 MPG B650 EDGE WIFI 38:23 MPG B650I EDGE WIFI 45:38 MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI 51:20 MAG B650 MORTAR WIFI continue

[@pappaptater1561]

Thank you

[@supreme84x]

Thank you for being That Guy that puts all the time stamps. Saved me so much time.

[@RyhtymFiend]

You're my hero

[@low42g]

Thank you 🙂

[@n1colas2701]

I actually really enjoy those rambling videos, thanks for the content!

[@benjy117]

Do you ever think of American Pie and band camp? When I hear him speak I can't help but think of that scene.

[@StephanBertheau]

These ramblings about board lineups are the best guides on motheboards available. Really makes ahoc the authority on board reviews, no other reviewing necessary 👍

[@krusic22]

MSI doesn't seem to have that many boards. > 1 hour long video.

[@mouthstick-gaming]

Have you watched any of Buildzoid's videos before? Almost every video he makes is over an hour long!

[@Dark.Syndicate]

@@mouthstick-gaming doesn't make it any better.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Buildzoid's low effort motherboard rambles are very rambly today

[@TheRealMinipom]

@@Dark.Syndicate I'd rather have a one hour long video (for 11 boards) that explains why he likes or dislikes them. The average video about motherboards manages to explain the featureset of one motherboard in 15 minutes. And that's not even really evaluation anything.

[@Dark.Syndicate]

@@TheRealMinipom I'd rather have 30 minute videos rambling about 11 motherboards, removing the unnecessary rants, and focusing on the useful information instead. 1 hour is too long.

[@xicofir3737]

9:00 AMD doesn't make WiFi cards. AMD made a deal with mediatek, to use thier WiFi 6 and Bluetooth cards and put them in AMD systems, with AMD branding. I thought this deal was only for laptops. I have know idea how well the work.

[@overpad1]

How many USB Type-A ports do you need sir ? Buildzoid : Yes

[@ZZUtopia]

Thanks for making this. Still patiently hoping for you to ramble about Asus AM5 motherboards!

[@robind8526]

Looking forward to your rambling on Gigabyte and ASUS AM5 boards.

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

same, the Asus Prime B650-PLUS and Asus Prime B650M-AX are both $200 and I cannot for the life of me see how

[@victor38542]

Edit 2022.11.27: Finally went with an MSI X670E Carbon myself, which after careful review seemed like the better choice for me (I actually don't need most of the extras of the ProArt, but I do need as much PCIe bandwidth as I can get, and the MSI is better). The ASUS ProArt 670 looks like a better Carbon to me too, with 10Gb+2.5Gb Ethernet and dual USB4 (Thunderbolt 3 ready) and a nice DisplayPort over USB-C piggyback on the backboard (it has DisplayPort _in_, letting you plug your dGPU to it and output video via USB-C). Dual x8 PCIe slots too. Same MSRP as the Carbon last I checked. The ProArt 650 is actually not that bad either, downgrading to PCIe 4.0 and 2.5Gb+1Gb NICs and no USB4 for like two-thirds the price of the 670 ($399). It's just that I tend to hate ASUS on the software side (and I run Linux so there's that too) and I'd love Buildzoid's input on those boards which seem like the most workstation-oriented to me, among the entire AM5 lineup (all brands included).

[@jamesmiscellaneous]

As a producer and connoisseur of low effort content, I appreciate this Mr. Buildzoid. I have a love hate relationship with MSI so this will be an interesting watch as I value your opinions and most of all your succinct honesty on covered subject matter. ✅

[@bleack8701]

I was literally just looking at those yesterday to figure out which to aim for when prices drop and couldn't make up my mind. Perfect timing! So this only confirmed my impression of the the B650 boards being meh to bad for a high price. Maybe in a few months there will be something better

[@manoftherainshorts9075]

I still don't understand why AM5 motherboards are so fricking expensive. I mean, at AM4 you could buy a Tomahawk that could handle any CPU at stock easily, had decent feature set and was just $110. Why do these cost so much? Are they suddenly made of gold or something?

[@UhOhUmm]

DDR5, PCIe 5, more VRM, more USB, early adopter tax.

[@vincentvega3093]

only reason i can think of is to move old stock

[@ksolo614]

The x570 motherboards were expensive at launch . But you had x470 and b450 to fall back on. You shouldn't launch a new platform without cheap motherboards to entice people to want to adopt it. I think AMD is pulling an Nvidia move and want to clear out ryzen 5000 stock.

[@TheHighborn]

@@UhOhUmm lga

[@RN1441]

This also bugged me a *lot* so I went reading on why this was happening, and there appear to be a few reasons divided between groups of 'because they think this is the price they will make the most money at' and 'some parts are legitimately more expensive since this is a new platform'. The former category doesn't need more elaboration but in the second category we have the following: 1) There's apparently a new type of power delivery architecture which needs a new family of power phase controllers that are brand new with this generation. Their price will come down over time, but for now they are relatively expensive. There's also the 'forward compatibility' requirement that all the boards need high power headroom just in case the next generation or next next generation of AM5 CPUs need it. Third up we have the new socket and retention mechanism which are new to the market and also need time to come down in cost. Next up using PCIe 5.0 might require new substrate materials for signal integrity rather than the old standard FR4 fiberglass so the board production process may be more complex with higher materials costs. Finally we have all the extra junk we don't need like LED vomit, 'heatsinks' that are built for looks not performance, M.2 'heatsinks', On-board WiFi 6E (helpful for some I guess), and so on.

[@dragomirivanov7342]

Bildzoid's voice is incredible. Never reach end of his videos, falling asleep in first 15 minutes.

[@AngryToasterOven]

ASMR for computer nerds.

[@Nghtmare30589]

I swear, I always fall asleep watching his videos 😂

[@Jarrahfe]

Specially the "anyway"

[@MrHamof]

The Godlike isn't complicated, it's that expensive because there exist people who will buy the most expensive thing no matter how much or little sense it makes.

[@JAP917]

The Carbons do seem to hit the sweet spot for features vs. price. Kinda sucks that $400-500 is now that spot, though. Looks like they're gearing the B650s to actually be more budget oriented and priced accordingly, giving good separation to the X670s. I also rather like how they don't have too many boards in the AM5 lineup. Some manufacturers just go nuts on boards, and to what end?

[@JetKNINE]

i bought myself a B650 Carbon, cant use it yet but for the price i think these boards will be a good purchase . lucky for me i snagged myself from $590 AUD down to $489 AUD 😁

[@PatrickA1]

7700x is a good placeholder until x3d is out.

[@nukedathlonman]

AMD RZ600 WiFI 6E is made in partnership by MediaTek. AMD has two WiFi 6E options: RZ618 which is Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 160MHz Wi-Fi Channels; & RZ608 Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 80MHz Wi-Fi Channels.

[@halrichard1969]

It seems to me there just isnt enough actual classic testing of the new AM5 Mobos yet. We are still just getting alot of Hype Reviews that do nothing more than parrot what comes from the Manu's. The only board I have seen with some real OC testing is the ASUS Rog Strix X670E. I havent seen any serious reviews on the Gigabyte Models or ASRock or MSI. Im getting ready to start pulling the trigger for AM5 PC Hardware and its rough right now. Thanks for your Evals on these MSI products Buildzoid. Even your preliminary opinions are valuable to many of us.

[@PathTracer75]

Same here, I have difficulty to choose at this moment the right board for me.

[@ivan.rusanov]

All valid points, but the problem I had with other vendors' "cheap" B650 boards is they don't have SPDIF. Two things that are important for me are Wi-Fi and SPDIF. Got the Tomahawk due to these reasons and the scarce availability in my country. But it's ridiculous that if you also want a port80 display, you have to pay 500 euro for a board. Not to mention dedicated power and reset buttons on the PCB... When port80 have become a "premium" feature? The Gigabyte B650 AORUS PRO AX seems to fit my current needs, but it is not available on the local market.

[@DavidHHH99]

I can't wait for your rambling about the Asus SM5 boards. Honestly, if you're going to spend $480 on a x670E Carbon, you'd probably be better off with almost any of Asus' 670E boards, or even their 650E. Yes, you'll lose the postcode, the 6SATAs and the x8/x8 PCIe, but the Strix 670E-A is $60 cheaper at $420. The Asus B650E boards (E and F) are a bit more hobbled, but are also only $350 and $300, and better than any of MSI's B6550 boards. And I think that probably the best value x670E mobo out there is the TUF x670E at only $330. I was planning to buy that, until I found an open box Strix x670E-A at Micro Center for $357, minus their $20 off combo deal with a CPU (and also a free 32Gb of DDR5-5600 RAM.) Interestingly, though, Asus only markets most of their x670 boards as capable of 6400 RAM, even though the STRIX x670E-A has 8 layer PCB. I'll be interested in hearing your take on that.

[@PhantomBlank]

this comment aged like lit milk.

[@RyhtymFiend]

@@PhantomBlank I was just about to say XD I just picked up the carbon wifi for $500 canadian bucks.

[@Anderson_LS]

I wonder why they didn't make troubleshooting LEDs work together instead of separately. For example, one led lights up for CPU, two leds lights up for memory and so on 3 leds and 4 leds lights up together. For me, it's easier to just count leds than find out which led is turned on.

[@maskotep]

Thanks again for your insights. I find your content a lot easier to watch when the website/background is black. In this video MSI's website is easy on the eyes.

[@silencer51]

This may sound weird, but the reason I generally avoid MSI boards is their cumbersome BIOS update implementation. To update your BIOS, you have to restart, go into the BIOS, select the M-Flash option, get prompted about it, then the mobo will restart again, and after half a minute, go into the BIOS update environment. Then, until recently, if no USB flash drives were attached to the system, the BIOS update module would pop up an error message (no flash drives detected), giving you only the option of exiting. AFAIK, MSI is the only motherboard manufacturer that forces you to use an external flash drive to update your BIOS. Even worse, its BIOS updates take forever, increasing the chances of something going wrong (I'm mainly talking about power outages here - not every board has bios flashback, or a chip that can easily be reprogrammed with a SOIC-8 clip). Lastly, they don't allow downgrading to earlier BIOS versions, at least not easily. So if for example you flash a beta bios hoping it will fix a problem, and you run into a whole new, more serious problem, you're stuck with it, unless you use an SPI programmer.

[@Horseofhope]

While I get it, it's still something you do once or twice in the mobo's lifespan. MSI has so many other good things going for it.

[@WETREPUBLICTV]

YES! Msi bios easly the worst ever

[@silencer51]

@@Horseofhope with AM4 and AM5 and the constant AGESA updates I think this is sadly gonna be more than a couple of times.. but thankfully all AM5 boards come with flashback apparently so thats good

[@Z0t4n]

Hi, will we see z790 motherboards rambling? I am planing to upgrade 7700k to 13X00 platform and would take as much input as i can :)

[@joseperez-ig5yu]

Love your video BZ! I started using LAN when my system got corrupted. I was happy that I had something to switch over to when I was confronted with this dilema. Keep posting more content for your loyal viewers!

[@johnstate7650]

Mate, I subscribed because of this video, I think you brought so much value to us the less knowledgeable. Everyone I watched on YT said you're amazing and you are. But for the love of all the gods, what was that background noise? Was it constant swallowing, were you eating, was the mic scratching against your face/beard? I promise you this is a praise comment, learned so much in a simple "rambling" of yours but it scratched a part of my brain with broken glass, that noise...oh my life.

[@evalangley3985]

By the way, you need those additional layer for PCIe Gen 5 which most of the MSI motherboards doesn't feature beside some x670 and x670E. I think I heard the AIBs during the launch event mentioning it. If you don't need to reroute the signals thru PCB layers for your IO and your lines, then having that much layers doesn't change much. Matter of fact, the temperatures on the B650 Tomahawk are absolutely amazing for the money.

[@FilthyMoss]

What... Even the older x570 2019 boards had 10 layers like evga.. maybe thicker traces of copper instead of using 1.8oz of copper they would be using 2oz of copper deff not worth additional 70-150 in cost or in this case an 500 extra out the 1000+

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

@@FilthyMoss nope B550 ATX/MATX boards max out at 6 layers.

[@jacobtrapp3772]

Yaaayy something good to listen to at work

[@ladamyre1]

Here's something about MSI you may not be aware of, something that might explain for you why the VRM is overkill. Back in the early 2000's MSI was one of the worst M/B's you could buy, and they weren't necessarily the cheapest. What was cheap about them was the components they used, which is why they failed so much. From the chokes to the capacitors to ancillary chips, even the resistors, all soldered to the thinnest of PCB's, EVERYTHING about an MSI M/B screamed "bargain basement". Anybody in the know about overclocking would say the thing to do with an MSI board was to _underclock_ it, lest you catch the house on fire. Then MSI got new management and had a real change of heart from top to bottom. Right away they started with the overkill on everything I mentioned: heavy PCB's, military grade components: those "armored" PCI slots were an MSI idea, nobody did that before MSI. Now they're the most reliable M/B you can buy. Stacked up against Gigabyte and ASUS, an MSI board may show up 0.1% slower on some benchmarks, but it will last ten years and you can overclock it as much as any other M/B. I'll probably be getting that MEG 670E ACE so I can set it up with a RAID 0 boot drive that has five 250 Gig M.2 drives in it. I'll likely get a 3090 for video and wait for a Gen 5 video card. Also be waiting for Gen 5 NvMe drives and see if it's faster than the RAID array as a boot drive. My first build used a Cyrix 5X86 processor that had no heatsink at all. Just a bare chip.

[@weilbaum9018]

this is exactly what i needed. thank you

[@WTP_DAVE]

B650 carbon had 4 m.2 slots you said it’s the same as the others (3) but never checked, busy getting yourself worked up about clocking memory to 6600 which is unnecessary for ryzen

[@TheDude50447]

From what ive seen and what makes this extremely difficult for me is that intel makes a lot more sense in every aspect but Power consumption and heat output.

[@colosys]

I really appreciate everything you upload to youtube, even, there's plenty of useful information in all your videos that comes from real experience. It's rare, waiting on the next AM5 vendor video :)

[@djpsychic]

You probably seen it already but on the mem QVL that it mentions in red "CPU quality is the key for reaching over 6200MHz". So I guess it's just a theoretical / lab test to see if pushing these frequencies will actually work ?

[@xicofir3737]

Checks out with what Builzoid. Every Ryzen 7000 should hit 6200MTs, and normally they top out at 6500MTs. It's down the silicon lotary.

[@PaulHawke1337]

QVLs have little to do with your memory experience.

[@mdavid2822]

$300 class boards with no post codes? No thank you. x570 offered a lot more value for money in terms of featureset. Part prices have gotten insane in the last two years, I think once manufacturers look at theirs sales figures this year they're gonna realize they misread the room. There was an artififically high demand for god-tier dream builds during COVID. Going forwards I don't see parts like the Godlike or the 4090 being able to justify their MSRP. The overshoot is real.

[@LastSecBloomer]

5:10 Those 2 type-C ports are 20Gb/s each...they eat up the equivalent of 4 Gen2 USB-A ports in bandwidth. Which brings us back to the lack of throughput in general on consumer boards... What makes things even more comical is that modern GPUs with 3-4 slot thickness will make most of the PCie slots useless so all those lanes are wasted... EDIT: Then I saw a bunch of USB ports on the Ace so...WTF, MSI, what's the excuse?

[@ChristmasCrustacean1]

glad to hear BZ calling out the price bloat

[@marsovac]

I did a lot of overclocking of memory on an ASRock B450 Fatality itx-ac. I never had to clear the CMOS. If it doesn't boot, just reset it three times when it attempts to and it will revert to stock bios settings with disabled xmp next time. The BIOS settings remain, just the boot is without them and you need to save and exit to attempt another overclocked boot. That's for the ASRock that you said "didn't even attempt". Don't know for others.

[@mlxoc712]

The AMD Wi-Fi 6E you'll see on a lot of X670(E) / B650(E) boards is a product of a partnership with MediaTek. AMD p/n RZ608 or RZ616, MediaTek p/n MT7921 / MT7922 respectively. I believe Gigabyte and other mobo manufacturers also released new PCB revisions of B550 & X570(S) boards with the RZ608 or RZ616 instead of the older Intel AX200 / AX210. It should be pretty decent Wi-Fi, although Intel will always be the gold standard to measure by.

[@samdeur]

The ace looks good but it’s €421 more then the budget I set for my build my current top pick is “ASRock X670E Steel Legend”..

[@Jajalaatmaar]

I just bought that one too. I also saw that Gigabyte and Asrock have the least amount of issues.

[@samdeur]

@@Jajalaatmaar hope it turns out well for you mate.. i switched to a "ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI " i just did a first boot yesterday out of the pc case just to see if it would post so far so good. i have not configured the bios or the mem yet i with with EXPO mem from Gskill because i'm layse have yet to see if that all runs well. totday i modded my Mechify C i removed the front brackets that are there to accommodate smaller fans and hinder good intake and a couple of folks have complained about a noise because of that.. i mentioned this to Fractal (awesome support btw) and they said they are looking at possibility to mod that in the next gen.. it cost me several hours to do a clean job with my dremel.. pfff hopefully i can do the build tomorrow still have a lot to do and i'm a bit under the weather..

[@TXMatthew]

I was waiting for this video thank you

[@andrew.sulisthio]

Low effort but definitely lots of information, at least for me. Keep the rambles coming please! 😃

[@sksense2868]

thanks for sharing. really waiting for your opinions on z790 and comparison to z690 counter-boards

[@MrHamof]

35:05 That's probably because AMD have told us that Zen 4 doesn't really scale with memory past 6000mhz, much like how Zen 3 could, depending on your chip, have hard time taking advantage of anything past 3800. And even that much was already overclocking the infinity fabric. So there's not much point in memory manufacturers providing EXPO kits with more than 6ghz, because it won't actually provide much advantage to the buyer anyway. Not that that's stopped them before.

[@marsovac]

About memory speeds: Zen4 does for sure 6400 with some modules. The 6600 is dubious but if it is on the QVL they would not lie, hopefully.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

nah 6400 on Zen4 is all about how lucky you get with your CPU.

[@devonmoreau]

I look forward to these videos each motherboard generation :D

[@libertariancat4514]

"but I needed low effort content today". I can trust this guy, too honest.

[@Enclosure_2k]

Bro the x570 mobos here are MORE Expensive then the X670 mobos. It's INSANE. Mobos without nothing premium more expensive and all. This is a joke. I want to update my x470 mobo and i cant. Because anything close to what i have is 400/500€.

[@SuspiciousGirafe]

I have yet to watch the video, but please keep such low effort/filling videos coming, that's what - with all due respect - your audience wants ! (LOL) Thanks in advance for the effort ! EDIT : In addition to what you said @ 1:01:37 , one thing that I've been looking for in mATX boards (my favorite form factor) is that the top PCIe slot would be aligned with the screw hole on the left, to leave enough breathing room for the GPU. The add-on card choking off the GPU is also why I value built-in wifi/bluetooth and prefer m.2 slots over PCIe slots, especially on mATX boards.

[@mercuryrising9758]

Could you do ASUS next? There are who I'd prefer but don't know which to choose

[@theconsummatenerd]

Weird to me that none of the MSI X670 boards have USB 4 though. All of the competition decided to include it. As someone investing in an AM5 board for "future-proofing" I'd kind of expect it as a feature. I have had great luck with MSI boards in the past, but this gen I think ASRock will get my money.

[@aditrex]

no way im paying 500 for motherboard 300 IS max

[@HarryLostOne]

HEY, im on the market for a new mobo and tomahawk was the one that I was going for. But this video kinda confused me.... I gotta say here that im kinda clueless overall in ram knowledge etc. I was gonna get 2x16gb 6000 cl30, but since it's am5, I would be open to OC them slightly or even upgrade them in a couple of years or so (alongside with the last x3d cpu), just to squeeze some extra performance IF the benchmarks till then look an actual uplift in gaming/apps etc. Anyway, since this video is 1 year, and since buildzoid expressed some kind of doubts, I wonder, if I get the tomahawk, I will FOR SURE not be able to go beyond 6000 (lets say 6600) ? Or did I understand wrong? Thanks for any answer.

[@zac_1458]

I am getting a tomahawk and 32 gb of 6000 cl 30 tmrw😭 im confused too but should be fine

[@HarryLostOne]

@@zac_1458 ok bro, good luck. keep me posted if possible.

[@親子丼-i7l]

Hello I always refer to your videos I would like to ask, although it is relatively inexpensive, Can you tell me which B650 board is suitable for overclocking? CPU is considering around Ryzen 5 7600-7700

[@nlewe1981]

My only guess to why the power delivery is so overkill is so 3 to 4 years down the line you can drop a much newer CPU in and it might require the power. That way you do not have to upgrade your motherboard when the time comes. Same reason there is a gen 5 pcie x16 graphics slot when their are no gen 5 cards

[@fredEVOIX]

knowing that energy efficiency became much better in 5-7000 series I share my experience with a 3960x 24c overclocking, real TDP 280w stock already, when I tried ocing it (dumb) it jumped to...435W (divided by 1.45V meant 300A lol) and not @PSU no ONLY the cpu >< 8c or less people including me back then (from 9900k) don't realize is that with a high core count, even a few watts more multiply, that massive cpu power came from only +6.45Watts but x24 = +155W

[@ertai222]

Exactly

[@AlexandruDoarme]

My fav series is back! ✌

[@concinnus]

Maybe Zen 5's controller will clock enough higher to make the 10-layer PCB relevant, but why buy now on that hope?

[@Gogargoat]

I have to admit MSI's board layouts seem to be the most versatile of current AM5 boards. The only other board i like is the ASUS B650 Creator (for the 8x, 8x, 4x lane slots, the X670 version has cut the 3rd slot down to 2x lanes -_-). Gigabyte is just totally letting me down this generation for my needs. But i kinda get it, pci-e 5.0 board components are expensive. Still, MSI seems to be able to do it with the MEG ACE. Sorry here comes a (late) ramble of my own, that probably does not intersect at all with buildzoid's interests lol, but... In my opinion the MEG ACE comes close to ideal, but i feel like it could be even better, and hopefully cheaper. AM5 cpus don't need that overkill VRM. Don't need two Type-C front connectors (do any cases use two?) I'm guessing the pci-e 5.0 redrivers and switches are quite expensive at the moment, so what if the first slot started at the very top (sorry it NH-D15 lovers), and gets 8x lanes directly from the CPU, and then the 2nd and 3rd slots can use switches to give 16x,0x or 8x,8x functionality and also preserve signal integrity over that distance. That leaves no lanes for CPU m.2 slots, but MSI already has a dual M.2 card that they should include (it does come with the MEG ACE btw). Something like this: Slot 1: pci-e 5.0 8x (CPU) Slot 2: m.2 4.0 4x (PCH) Slot 3: pci-e 4.0 1x (PCH) Slot 4: pci-e 5.0 16x/8x (CPU) Slot 5: m.2 4.0 4x (PCH) Slot 6: pci-e 4.0 1x (PCH) Slot 7: pci-e 5.0 0x/8x (CPU) In a gamer scenario people can put their dual M.2 card in the top slot, and their GPU into slot 4 for pci-e 5.0 16x. In a GPU workstation scenario someone could install three GPUs (1, 4, 7), at the cost of having to use m.2 slots on the board that go through the chipset, and if the GPUs are slim or watercooled, the 1x slots are still usable. (Not sure why ASUS often puts 1x slots directly below the slots that you would put a GPU into lol, sigh).

[@treyquattro]

I bought my first MSI board without POSTcode LEDs and the board appears DOA (its the PRO X670-P). 2 EZ Debug lights come on but they tell me nothing. Waiting on a new board to try and eliminate it as a variable. My take-away: POSTcode LEDs are like insurance and worth paying for. The vast majority of time they're a waste of photons, but invaluable if the damned thing won't POST!

[@evalangley3985]

I bought the B650 Tomahawk and the temperature for my 7950x are between from 30-40C in idle to 50-60C in stress test for all the sensors. With those insane pricing for AM5, I am just saying to the AIBs to go screw themselves.

[@Bayonet1809]

The Asus X670 Proart is $500 (same as MSI Carbon) and has 10GbE, with PCI-E x8 x8, and USB4.0. Missing a postcode though.

[@justahologram2230]

It's a shame infiniband cable is so expensive, otherwise 40gig LAN would be fairly cheap to add in

[@Krogoth512]

40Gigabit Ethernet and beyond are expensive due to the media/controllers not the NICs. They are also overkill outside the datacenter, backboning and enterprise-tier SANs.

[@BAJF93]

Looks like we have to wait for 7000X3D for AM5 to make sense for gaming.

[@skypickle29]

I too am a type A personality--love those type A ports

[@ibeebzz9804]

Why is everything for am5 a 4 dimm setup (aside from itx)? It’s odd there isn’t a unify x for x670 or b650

[@kingRumen]

FINALLY! Thank you !

[@justetan3566]

When you say that a 6layer pcb won't be good at memory overclocking, do you mean that it is required ( 8+ layers) when pushing IMC limits ( like going over 6000 with zen 4 for example) or do you mean always? Like, if zen 5 comes out and the imc can actually handle 8000 mhz kinda easly, do you think the 6 layer can actually limit the imc or you can hit 8000mhz if the imc is actually good? Also thanks for pointing this stuff out, im looking for a good looking but also good oc b650 board and seeing these prices on the boards i like is just devastating, at this point it's a matter of quality vs aesthetics which ihmo shouldn't really be a thing when buying a 370 euros board.. Hopefully the others brands will do a better job EDIT: Asus B650-F seems to be an 8 layer but the strix -A is a 6 for no damn reason

[@vdj4355]

Great video, as always. I looking for AM5 board and this time, I would buy MSI. Did you have any bad experience with ESD on MSI or other brands of boards? I asking it because I have it a lot on one Gigabyte board which is, by MSI advertising, worst by this metric.

[@TheDoorsHK21]

Thank you for this low effort content, I throughly enjoyed all 73 minutes of it. Do you enjoy making motherboard rambling videos as much as actual overclocking videos?

[@emmata98]

31:30 this is not only misleading, this is false advertising. Get a lawyer and he will get good money...

[@axeltroja9390]

I like the B650 it is the only itx board that still offers 4x S-ATA Ports just in case you got a lot of S-ATA SSD's that you still want to use.

[@vortraz2054]

Buildzood can I get a favor off you? The B550 roundup from 2 years ago is a little dated now that those boards support Ryzen 5000. Im doing a budget build for a friend with the 5600x, but I dont know what boards are the best options

[@evalangley3985]

As for the 7600x and the 7700x, they are faster in games out of the box. And you can use a air cooler to achieve great performance, while you need a premium AIO for RPL for frog leaping Zen 4 since the power consumption is insane for i5 parts. Also, if you buy an i5, you probably only care about gaming, making the E-cres stupid.

[@evalangley3985]

48:59 "Not a good option at the price..." Me: The only sane option IMO. Where are the PCIe 5.0 components? Do you want to beta test for them for a year? The answer is no. On the other hand, MSI have better onboard audio, SPDIF, the best VRMs for the money, and a track record of reliability over the other AIBs. The closest for VRMs on B650 is the Aorus Master at 120$ more, which at that price, you can have a x670E motherboard... and at this point for 120$ more, you get the Asus X670E-Creator Proart with all the IOs you can have.... which, at this point, is the double of the B650 Tomahawk. I chose the sane option.

[@gamedoutgamer]

Yes this. Thanks.

[@Xgialippo]

What do you think about MSI PRO B650-S. It a bit new respect the date of video. It Has pcie x4 in the last pcie slot!!! But no much information about vrm (I think 60A or 55A?)

[@alsteooaai]

hello, could you make a video where you analyze all Asus Z790 mobos?

[@аибе-о9ь]

man look z690 don't waste his time

[@alsteooaai]

@@аибе-о9ь For me that do ddr5 overclocking the Z790 is worth the money, a 4-dimm Z790 (250-400 €) is equivalent to a 2-dimm Z690 (600-800 €) in terms of frequency that walls/blocks to RAM

[@Kizzster]

Waiting on the ASUS video because there's no way you'd recommend the ASUS X670E-I over the B560E-I.

[@InvertLogic]

Thanks for this. we are looking for the more of motherboard review for AM5

[@wallc3243]

Buildzoid: Today I gonna make low effort content *saw video length 1hrs video he really enjoy doing this video

[@decus478]

For Intel, MSI has QVLs for the PRO Z790-A that go up to 7200MHz and that's a 6 layer while an 8 layer isn't any higher in the QVL at least though I'm sure it can go higher, the official kits just don't exist yet. All of their AMD stuff also has "probably won't go above 6200MHz" caveat anyway, which wasn't there until pretty recently so they must have been challenged on it. From that perspective, I can understand just not bothering down the stack though they should also remove all the references to 6600MHz pretty much everywhere anyway. Definitely looks bad.

[@jronmaster8400]

Please also do the same for the ASUS, Gigabyte etc. Boards Great content

[@dKenGuru]

B650I it's copy/paste from B550I. Change only chipset, socket and back IO. MB line has no 650E models.

[@robertkiell]

forgot to mention on ace mobos... 2 pump headers and any cheaper than that is only 1 instead of 2

[@richdelmazzio9890]

I have built with the x670 Carbon. It’s great however, why did they move the main pcie slot down one slot? A 3090/90ti/4090 sits so low inside the case and you cannot access the lower slot. It makes the pcie layout irrelevant at that point.

[@LA-MJ]

I am starting to get the feeling that there's a market for M.2 to PCIE riser cables... Who the hell needs Gen5 16x?! Redrive that shit!

[@mercuryrising9758]

Also just going off marketing pages, ASUS flagship crazy over the top OCing board still only claims 6400MHZ max with a whole bevy of features to push clocks higher, and better power delivery

[@chrisrosenkreuz23]

hey quick question, are the AM5 boards with dual chipset any better than the ones with single chipset, performance-wise?

[@KL-ky8fy]

No

[@chrisrosenkreuz23]

@@KL-ky8fy thats cool cheers

[@50shadesofbeige88]

And I thought 125 for the B450 Tomahawk Max was bad... missing AM4 already lol

[@Krondorf.]

so what's the best budget AM5 mobo for a gamer to get atm? with the view to dropping in a 7600x now, but a better CPU down the line.. still for gaming though

[@darcos7535]

BZ, can you please ramble a bit about the Asus AM5 motherboards?

[@solomonshv]

the reason the godlike exists is because there are people stupid enough to buy them. i use to work at a microcenter years ago. the people who buy these are never really the kind of people who can actually afford them. i remember one time helping a guy in his late 20s fill out a credit card application to buy a PC with an $800 motherboard that he planned to finance out over 24 months. when i asked him why he is buying it, he couldn't articulate a real reason

[@teemu3370]

Chipset fans have given me anxiety ever since A8N-E had it. Passive cooler went on that one

[@josepht1575]

thoughts on the ASUS B650E-E ?

[@Kizzster]

Is support for DDR5 over 6000mhz even needed?

[@DavidHHH99]

The B650 non-e versions generally only have PCIe gen 5 for EITHER the PCIe or the M.2 (usually the latter). The B650E usually have gen 5 for BOTH. That's why it's "extreme" (and generally more expensive.) That's in the AMD specs. As of now, it looks like MSI doesn't have any B650E boards. That's probably why they seem to disappointing.

[@justatim8143]

Out of MSI and Gigabyte motherboards for AMD 7000 which in your opinion would you buy to get quality and not over pay for the added features. Would you go for the X670E Carbon Wfi X670, a Gigabyte X670 Elite Ax or a B650 motherboard. I will be using a 7800X3D and g-skill 6000 30 ram with a 4080 and want the best But not over pay , but can upgrade later using stock settings with XMP.

[@GameMasterBra]

What you think about Z790 Aorus Master + i7 13700k, what should be the maximum ram mhz possible (And stable ofc) with that combo, can you record something about that?

[@Valla451]

So ahh Asus Next? :) Thanks for your content I always learn a lot

[@ddounknown2992]

For that price I want to see my memory slots wrap with that tin shielding, nice that all the pcie slots down the board was though.

[@Julius-cm5oi]

I dont exactly know what you mean with safe boot and if its a Problem with the new Ryzen Series but on my MSI X570-A PRO(AM4) i can change memory settings and if it crashes it boots directly in the bios again. That seems like the feature you mentioned.

[@haraldh.9354]

thx for your effort --why MSI made no B650E?