Ramon Montagner Push & Pull Techniques - Unbelievable Drummer

Interview and lesson with "master of faster," Ramon Montagner, the Brazilian drummer who has taken one-handed technique to the next level. Amazing!
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[@agdt2004]

Wow! I am excited to practice this technique. Thank you!

[@lizwynaco2222]

Agreed!!!

[@seppoinnanen5577]

So far the most astonishing playing technique that I've seen in youtube. And this stuff surpasses all the most praised drummers, too

[@w.s6124]

looks like you dont know jojo mayer

[@seppoinnanen5577]

@@w.s6124 I know him alright... he 's probably at the same level with push-pull

[@krusher74]

@@seppoinnanen5577 so same level or supasses? you cant have both

[@seppoinnanen5577]

@@krusher74 I let it between this guy and Mr Mayer to resolve... just my thoughts about this amazing talent

[@austin.valentine]

I haven’t seen much of this from Jojo, but in the explanation Jojo gave years ago, he didn’t show the technique at this level. Doesn’t mean he can’t, but I’d love to see it, if it is out there

[@Recklessmac]

This guy plays so fast, he would be finished the gig and be drinking his second beer while the rest of the band are still on the first song.

[@LilianaGarcia-ve7ob]

😂😂😂 best comment Ps: Damien Schmitt, Chris Coleman... if you really like this type of speed drumming. And I mean both are crazy drummers. Versatile, therefore Damien Schmitt. Chris coleman is a beast at everything but I mean Damien Schmitt is something.

[@LilianaGarcia-ve7ob]

Listen to that album and thanks me later my friend : Meddy gerville Jazz Amwin. On the drums: Horacio Hernandez On the keyboard/piano: Meddy Gerville On the bass: Dominique Di Piazza On the guitare: Jean marie ecay Ps: unbelievable unique underrated versatile craziest album ever made. Meddy Gerville came from my little island (reunion island small French island bellow Madagascar.) and wow his music is crazy good haha

[@DicionariodeRitmo]

Bravo!! Big hug, my friend, Ramon!! Brazil zil zil!! :)

[@woytd6435]

Very inspiring, thank You!

[@bobyost42]

This is very impressive, & you make it look so EASY!!

[@alexman259]

That is amazing Kalani!

[@WORLDDRUMCLUB]

Right?

[@petrnavratil1286]

Thank you

[@IvanRx76]

amazing technique

[@richardspicer4738]

I get the the technique and i can do it at a reasonable speed, I just can’t seem to get a feel for taking up to higher speeds. Looks like the thumb is involved a bit more in some weird way more than the wrist is at higher speeds. Wish someone could elaborate

[@antoninopalumbo5448]

Vocè è um grande. Parabensi

[@halimdrummer777]

Crazy tehnics! !!!💫🔥🔥👍👍👀

[@martinhrusovsky1733]

This is food for my soul ! 🖤🤟

[@packstevewood]

I understand how you could apply this technique for faster ride cymbal patterns, snare patterns and for a blazing 2 stroke roll. What would the firing order for each hand be for a single stroke roll?

[@frankp.8047]

Phenomenon, when I saw that video a couple of years ago, I was blown away and I thought I had to practice it. I was optimistic at first but I soon realized how impossible that is. So even after hundreds of hours into this, I'm not nearly close to his speed. I've been playing percussion and drums for 40 years and thought I had good hands, but no..not that good. Giving up.

[@Han-Solo459]

That’s crazy. 😳

[@Satiatingmusic]

I have two questions. Are you limited with this technique to that much arm/wrist movement or can you really swing at it? Two So the maneuver is in the hands and not dependant on rebound? I notice the arm apears fixed not moving much, and he just changed the meaning of slow med fast

[@elrico1364]

he...like some others have 'fast twitch' muscles.. this is a great thing for drum players. but along with that also comes a kind of cerebral fast twitching too. comes with time. good boxers have fast twitch muscles... really seen in the feline world.....also men who's ladies often throw the frying pan at ...

[@markevans2814]

Dang...I mean....whoa.

[@scpk2246]

Hi, What is the STICK SIZE used here? Is it 5A?

[@cslloyd1]

I think my hand structure is different than his. Add to that some significant arthritis and I’m afraid I’ll never be able to do this. I’m going to try to find something close that works for me, but I do believe not everyone has the physiology to do what he does.

[@fVNzO]

how did you get arthritis in your hands?

[@silkroad1201]

I just want a 5 minute video on how to do like 6 fast strokes in a row (like on a ride). I guess using push pull, I don't fuckin know. Why is it so damn hard?!

[@jimbosteen2935]

Tony Williams did five strokes, between ride beat patterns

[@littlebear2477]

Looks like you need good thumb movements unfortunately I almost cut one off ... it’s now fused straight nevertheless I get to play ☝🏼most importantly

[@jamesclay69]

I will master this, by God I will..time to p*ss my girlfriend off more with drum noises hahaa

[@RamonMontagner]

Thank you Kalani for your kindness and happiness with life, drumming and us!!Thanks a lot!!Hugs my friend!!Hope to see you soon!!

[@WORLDDRUMCLUB]

Thank YOU! Your playing and personal approach is inspiring to so many people. Thank you for allowing me to share a little.

[@PNW_Sportbike_Life]

I am going to practice the HELL out of this! Ramon, great instruction, and INSANE technique!

[@RamonMontagner]

thank you!!God Blees you!!

[@lucasusa7480]

Que técnica top parabéns

[@peacefulbliss1]

Thanks so much for sharing Mr. Montagner! You are ridiculously good!

[@eduanog]

Ramon is a source of pride for all Brazilian drummers, we are well represented.

[@MrBTBusch]

Edu Nogueira , Yes sir

[@IvanRx76]

excellent drummer

[@FernandoBaggio]

Ramon is one of the most important drummers in Brazil these days. He is incredible! Not just because your technique, but about his musicality.

[@WORLDDRUMCLUB]

Absolutely. He's super musical and a great all around player. Thanks for commenting.

[@ctdjazz]

That's what really struck me about this video - outstanding technique aside, everything he played on the pad was just so MUSICAL.

[@khandrum]

I've always loved Brazilian music & drummers like Teo Lima and artists like Djavan

[@SchoolofRhythm-Letsdrum]

Amazing technique. I became friend with an american drummer from LA in the 70s as I was touring Tunisia with the Tabarka festival. He shown me ways to practice this. This guy was not as fast as Ramon but he was damn fast. He was touring too, drumming with a latin fusion band from the US. I have practiced this, in and out since and it changed my playing to the best. But I never truly focused on it. To get to such speeds... rent a hut on a beach in Thailand for ten years and only take your pad and sticks. Don't come back before you're done! This is hard work man! You've all my respect Ramon..

[@particlejones]

this guys heart beats in paradiddles

[@particlejones]

paradiddle heartbeat-the album

[@javiceres]

Ryan Miller Lol

[@Scrumdilliisious]

Who cares who created what. This guy is forging ahead.

[@Nevesdrum]

Aquele inglês brazuca inconfundível hahaha Grande montagner

[@doubledragtap]

Foda né.... hahaaha. Manda muito.

[@00vulture]

1 - He twists the thumb and hand a little towards the side of the stick, to help with the down motion 2 - The movement is 99% fingers. He uses a tiny bit of wrist motion just to adjust the height of the stick, but the other adjustments are done 99% with fingers only. 2.1 - That can be proven in 8:20, watch the snare drum. He subconsciously plays some notes on the snare, and his hand is stand still, 99% fingers there. 3 - You can also see that his fingers movements are quite flowish, I mean, they aren't robotic in any way. It's like he trained every single finger one by one, just like we do with our limbs. 4 - Time. We all know the answer to mastering something. Lots of practice + time. 5 - He probably isn't 100% sure about what he does. Every master goes through that. Masters just focus on something until they master it without realizing how far they come. What we need to learn from Ramon is *FOCUS*, not only technique. Most footballers don't know what they did when they do something amazing... They're SO focused that the subconscious takes place.

[@mart34]

Great comment. Although IMO He knows exactly what it is he's doing - but him putting it into words is more difficult. The interviewer wasn't asking any of the questions I'd like to ask him, but as mentioned previously, he might not be able to answer / explain using words anyway.

[@ryanchampney2637]

I practice the push pull technique and i couldnt imagine developing that kind of speed with it. And on both hands? Truly incredible

[@bad_keyzi]

omg. this is insane. I knew open close tech could reach high speeds, but this blew me away. impresive

[@MrGarcon98]

is montagner french name ? nice job on those sticks for sure . at my age arthritis makes it very hard to drum as i once where thhis may help some ? thanks

[@Gretschnut]

Wow, talk about someone being able to kick my butt with one hand tied behind his back. Amazing!

[@vincentbuonora8477]

….thumb pushes down and fingers pull up in very short space, .wrist is kept straight plus many hours of practice and looking at this video that will change the world of drumming-the Brazilians are incredible percussionists on many levels….

[@steevidrums]

I spent months on this technique, and after months, couldn't get it faster than 16th notes at 100bpm or something. Looks so easy, I just couldn't get it anywhere near usable speed. Kudos to those who can though!

[@Egbertwo]

I hear u bro. Its in the muscle control and reaction time etc. Its in the Jaens! either u have it or u don't.

[@rickbourdier1408]

I don't at all think your genes are what's limiting you. I think it would help you to watch and listen to the video more. Try to be sure you are doing exactly as he does. Keep in mind the importance role of gravity in this technique. Try hard to utilize gravity maximally. Notice the slight change in hand-wrist angle. I think early learning on this is best done with a soft roll as it will help you more easily learn the feel of the physics of what is happening that makes this workable. Most people probably can't be as awesome as Ramon with it, but I feel certain you can do better than you have so far...technique.

[@ramsie50mp]

Stephen Mackrill more like 3yrs before you see progressiveness, muscle memory is inhibiting a new technique in order to adapt or even change your current proficiency. He got gray hair soooo me thinking he's been doing it about 20+years

[@rickbourdier1408]

Hahaaaaaaaa, Ikr, trying to give a brother some home.

[@geyslern]

Ramon is one of the best drummer in Brazil. I had pleasure to see him playing live with São Paulo Ska Jazz band. He's a great drummer and a great person.

[@RamonMontagner]

Geysler Niclevicz tks Geysler!!Hugd!!

[@WORLDDRUMCLUB]

I wish him the most success. He deserves it!

[@ObscureMachines]

This is the first thing I've seen in a loooong time that is truly awesome and exciting in the world of drumming. Great explanation, exercises, and slowmo.

[@w.s6124]

this is nothing new and exciting. Buddy rich used this and also jojo mayer uses this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmm9l5eXo9BmqKs.

[@ObscureMachines]

@@w.s6124 ya not this fast though

[@w.s6124]

​@@ObscureMachines never seen jojo or buddy do push pull on a Pad but you are propably right...

[@davidcipolla4036]

Yes absolutely, if one asks me I think very few people actually realize how insane Ramon's playing really is, especially with the push pull. He's a phenomenal artist as far as musicality goes & with the next level technique he's in a league all by himself! Another thing to is that in another vid Ramon says he's been practicing/using the push pull for 20+ years! That's what he's sooo proficient with it, to have the capability with push pull like Ramon take multiple years to master, I've been practicing push pull for around 7+ years and barely can push 16th notes @ 130-140bpm. I've been more consistent with practicing the technique the past 2 years which has been a big help. Therefore unless one is literally practicing this technique for 30min+ every day for years on end, to get to the level Ramon is at will take extreme persistence & patience, and even with serious dedication it will take years! With that being stated, I still find it incredibly inspiring and hope to one day be able to do what Ramon does and more, all the best to all the drummers/artists out there! 💯🙌

[@mehmetsaidak9408]

While we drummers live in 2019 he lives in 2119

[@jpritch2]

I had a high school student that could do this all day long. Could do it with pencils too! Didn't need rebound. Basically taught himself. It was wild. Down side though - couldn't read music very well, couldn't play drum set at all. But he could do this!

[@onesyphorus]

which classes would he work on the technique

[@jpritch2]

@@onesyphorus I don't know. He basically taught himself and practice with a pencil! during school classes. Could absolutely fly with a drumstick.

[@onesyphorus]

@@jpritch2 i'm assuming he didn't know it was an official technique... regardless, that's nuts!!

[@jpritch2]

@@onesyphorus yep

[@jpritch2]

@@onesyphorus he knew it was called "moeller" cause his big brother told him. lol. I wish I had made a video.. He could do it just as fast with a pencil as a stick. crazy.

[@roquemusic]

This truly did excite me! Thanks for the inspiration Ramon!

[@jamesfranklin8269]

This is why I play with smaller Tom's 8x7 10x8 10x9 rack Tom's 13x11 14x12 14x14 floor Tom's with legs 13x8" snare and a juicy 24x16" vergin Bass drum all pearl masters the reason for my sizes is efficientcy the smaller a confined space is the more rebound you have that's my secret with these sizes you can do anything 😉

[@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power]

ok, i'm paying attention.

[@MariaAlmeida-qp4nc]

kodiak wild ,

[@randomrambler2884]

I totally admire drummers, you're brilliant. You make it look so easy!! Me and coordination arent the best friends at the moment lol but I'm still learning and these videos of yours will be great to watch, thanks! Any tips for strengthening your weaker hand? I'm really rubbish with my left hand

[@decemberagents1401]

When I was a teenager, I heard that the one-handed roll was a drummers' urban legend, not real. Nobody ever told him that apparently.

[@WORLDDRUMCLUB]

Facts

[@iceman45ification1]

Holy crap that's amazing!! 🤤

[@DrummerJez86]

I know and can play that technique but i've never seen it THAT fast .. fuckin crazy

[@andy80sdrums]

This guy is a monster. Not only fast but also expressive. So this is basically push-pull technique on steroids. Awesome.

[@webber977]

wtf was that, one more sub for you .. amazing

[@vincentbuonora8477]

Excellent demo on how to start slow to master “push pull”. So push pull started who knows....Switzerland, Europe US...spread to Brazil, now the Internet and thus to whole planet!

[@aperson22222]

I just heard about push pull for the first time yesterday, have been practicing all weekend, and have about a 50/50 chance of playing eighth notes at 60 BPM, and maybe a one in ten chance of dropping the stick. If I think about it the likelihood of success goes way down. 😂

[@jamesfranklin8269]

It's all Drums 🥁 period and there's no wrong way to play it's the disapline sticks and the write way to hold them

[@richardforbes943]

Shout out to ramon.really appreciate u taking out the time to give us a look at this technique..im sure it serves u well in type of brazillian music..thanx very much for the tips although I have yet to try this but u bet your bottom dollar im going to..thanx again

[@DanielMcCloud]

Though I love the speed that these techniques grant us, it is such a small section of drumming. Limb coordination and timing are so essential to drumming that it gets glossed over compared to speed (obviously, it is flashy, impressive, etc.). The reason I say this, is that I hate to see talented drummers or drummers in made bands have to quit, because they are chasing the arms race of faster, bigger, louder. I will use Matt Garstka as an example. He is at the top of his game and now he has to quite touring, because he has carpal tunnel. Another metal drummer burnt out on-stage and on tour. Now, I know some might say, well if they played properly, that wouldn't happen. I disagree, though this is just my opinion. If you practice this, you will get faster. But, faster doesn't mean better. Nice video! Very educational.

[@Visuvh]

5 years late, but amazingly this technique allows for more relaxed playing over fast sections. For example: David Diepold - The Neuromancer by Obscura.

[@mauriciosagrueg6600]

speed, technique, precision and a lot of swing

[@tiphaineluccy3795]

Drums are wonderful. :D

[@mart34]

Push pull technique starts with wrist on 1st stroke and fingers on 2nd stroke. This guy has developed the technique to the point where he mainly uses the thumb (+partially wrist) for 1st stroke and fingers for 2nd stroke. Thumb has lower mass than wrist as a whole - so he's using less (conserving more) energy which equals faster speed. Don't overlook that he will be inherently using gladstone technique which is fundamental to the Push pull tech - never using any muscular energy to lift the stick in an upwards motion. Any drummer of any level would struggle unless they are familiar with (or are lucky that they naturally use) the gladstone technique. Don't be fooled by the "Even beginners can learn this". This guys technique is impressive beyond belief. It would have taken 1000s of hours of practice - which would have been primarily in his mind (thinking/connection with his muscular motions).

[@nmnmnm9509]

Isn't it french grip? i use this technique ( or similar to it ) sometimes indeed in open close technique i change the position of my fingers to french grip.it can help you use your fingers better than normal open close technique with american grip.

[@seppoinnanen5577]

Still coming back for this stuff, admiring, shaking my head, getting depressed and excited at the same time

[@scottsmithlock5245]

God! at the very beginning of introducing ramon, it looks as if he's pissed off and sad that your giving his technique away.

[@aphexon.]

I have been training this technique every day sins sins 14 aug 2017 started out really slow and almost gave up, but I stuck to it and now I play tight and fast as F! Still now where this guy's talent ofc :)

[@brendanwatson9612]

@Aphexon How is this technique going for you these days? Do you have any recommendations for how to even get started learning it for a beginner?

[@JloBroOFFICIAL]

Where are you at with it now??? I’ve just invested my time into it

[@Neeko_Z]

this is like the circular breathing of drumming, like... how many can actually do this at a speed like this?

[@gloriagloria2597]

He keeps saying "jam on" instead of Ramon...ha! No offence ..

[@facudemario3825]

i may be wrong but doesnt it fuck up your hand? i mean, your hand is too stiff while doing it…

[@jerryolivermason6760]

Ive been playing for 25 years and I'm a pretty decent drummer, and it feels so good to have another big challenge ahead of me. I vow to not get frustrated and give up and rely on my old technique! I vow this day! (okay... I've psyched myself up for this...here goes!!!). Ugh! I GIVE UP! ...just kidding!😁

[@RamonMontagner]

thanks Jerry!!Hugs!

[@MrBTBusch]

Jerry Oliver Mason Im there with ya, but 30yrs here.

[@bobbyjones2112]

Fantastic extreme skills! I’ve tried this a few times but never saw it explained in such detail! I guess I give it another whirl..lol

[@gregwilliams2764]

That's unbelievable ! The 49 who gave thumbs down ? What's wrong with you ?

[@khandrum]

The 49 thumbs down are jealous and can't do it so it's like the fox & sour grapes

[@user-22-]

Amazing. I feel like I will NEVER get this, I just can’t speed up, even a little! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@mikestevens5512]

I would like to see him use these techniques In playing jazz

[@ManivOleg]

I give up and leave drumming forever (((((

[@tapeinosG5011]

Muito bem feito….Obrigado!!! The Moeller technique by Sanford A. Moeller was later passed onto Jim Chapin. The Gladstone Technique by Billy Gladstone..Morris “Arnie” Lang who attended Juilliard School. Traveled all over the world as percussionist for the New York Philharmonic and studied extensively with Gladstone. Push Pull used to be generally known as Fingertip Control,Alan Dawson stated. Joe Morello has to be mentioned as well as he was one of the "masters" of the Gladstone technique. What do I know!?

[@Nullllus]

It's like gravity blast but without the rim.

[@devilononeshoulder]

trys for 7 min. can't do it. gives up.

[@MrBTBusch]

Vatesy lol

[@pumpalBo]

Search for and watch Gordy Knudtson's videos if you haven't, he teaches this technique in details.

[@flamehead6244]

One of his hands can play faster than both of hands together, like if you agree 😂

[@rickbourdier1408]

Faster than both of mine.

[@Makerdude23]

Uh.....wtf!? Crazy impressive.

[@butchcoplin2316]

This is the most amazing display of push pull I've ever seen. He must have 30 years of this in the bag.

[@w.s6124]

looks like you dont know jojo mayer and buddy rich

[@jchristopherh5675]

Im a new drummer but this video was amazing because it challenges and inspires me to learn and have more fun practicing thank you obrigado

[@thewolfofstreetfood]

WHY I DID NOT DISCOVER HIM BEFORE??!! THIS GUY IS F''''''''''''G AMAZING

[@europeanian6936]

My notes on the pull are much more distinct than the first note. Anybody have any tips to help with an overall consistency with both notes?

[@fredytengler8304]

Poxa vida em Ramon ta bem no ingles hein. Very good Master Drummer

[@NovatoCustom]

Whooooot!!!??? Very impressive!!

[@Danyulesun]

Brilliant technique!! Great video, thanks!

[@jayremiahYT]

man... the speed is so crazy-insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Javi7Tron]

Very cool ! I´m practicing this tecnique now. I think it should be remark that the key, and the prerequisite before learning this tecnique is and absolute control of the "Free Stroke" ( also called "rebound stroke", "Stone stroke", "stop at the top" , "Gladstone tecnique", etc, etc ) because the key is to accept the rebound , and to learn this takes time. This tecnique was invented by Billy Gladstone who was teacher of Buddy Rich, and Buddy learned this tecnique from Billy. 90% of the professional drummers don´t let rebound the stick enough , so they work too much. This is super advanced tecnique , I don´t think it shoud be practiced by someone that don´t have a total control of the Free Stroke. Thanks for the video, it´s incredible for watching

[@lockdownmytownbykevinjohns6224]

Javi Tron I totally agree, control and maximum use of gravity apparently even WITHOUT a rebound Bounce, is what makes this so Incredible.

[@dimplejain1378]

Teacher punishes and say play 1000 times he just a second teacher thinks he must be scared him used push pull now teacher is scared

[@Gruuvin1]

What?

[@pdxfunk]

JoJo Mayer goes over all this stuff in his Secret Weapons DVD.

[@jacquesbeatty9755]

I'm not a drummer but I can listen and watch them play until all day...so sometimes I end up at videos like this one and I find something really dope. This time it was not only a technique but also dope slow motion w/sound which drove the point home for me. Thanks, another sick drummer to check out!

[@jamesarnold5554]

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! !!!!!!

[@TheVenusProjectInfo]

Most importantly.. he uses it musically!

[@pedroibzz]

17 "dont like" this video..?? sure, they were bass players..

[@silkroad1201]

I was actually looking for sex stuff

[@cacheteinflado1]

for me is easier using 7a sticks than the 5a ones

[@EVOL923]

Buddy Rich always did one hand rolls

[@Shin_Igami666]

I am imagining this guy with a death metal band using his technique. He's going to be a true monster. l..l, Thanks for the posting this video.

[@groovedoc]

holy shit !! this dude has some serious skills!

[@colterthefresh9253]

How he go faster than me with one hand than I do with 2 hands

[@e11world]

So how many hours of practice needed for this? Extremely amazing❤