Slams vs Throws - What’s the difference? When BJJ guys don’t know the rules of their own sport

What slams are and aren’t under various BJJ and submission grappling rule sets: ADCC and IBJJF.
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[@antoniomrubio]

Tbh fear of getting thrown like that is probably why butt scooting is so popular in BJJ.

[@mnameisjefff]

One additional thing on slams though. I think in ADCC you actually are at certain levels allowed to slam provided it is to get out of a submission. So if someone has you in an armbar and you are defending and you can grab your own wrist, you can pick them up and put them on their back with some force to facilitate and escape, now I could be misreading that or misunderstanding what I read, but from what I understand in ADCC if someone slaps a triangle on you, you can straight up rampage them if you need to

[@RamseyDewey]

This is true.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

Yes it's up to the guy to let go of the submission. Which they do now in MMA, exactly because of the Rampage slam.

[@OliverOils]

that's cool makes things more interesting

[@SaftonYT]

​@@BWater-yq3jx Two guys got slam KO'd during sub attempts in a row during the Prelims of the last UFC Fight Night card. It was wild and a bit hilarious.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

​@@SaftonYT And probably a li'l bit satisfying... 😏

[@kaizenproductions00]

It's astounding how a lot of "grapplers" get so bent out of shape when they see a wrestling technique in a competition where it's legal ro wrestle!

[@Greddi]

Throws = Throw stuff up in the air and let gravity do the work. Slams = Produce downward force to hit ground.

[@RamseyDewey]

Pretty much.

[@ThePauloluis]

​@@RamseyDewey , but a hard front uchimata its not a slam right? But If you do it fast you will elevate the oponnent and troll him to the ground and fall over him.

[@CrazyTom34]

I came here for the technical discussion between a slam and yeet and wasn't disappointed. On a serious note, BJJ black belt with sambo and judo experience. I'm glad you read the IBJJF rules but its really important to understand that rule is not enforced consistently and its not well defined. I've seen athletes DQ'd for completely clean takedowns that had a lot of elevation and force, and as a result a lot its hard to define a "slam" in the sport. I agree with your definition but the suplex in particular tends to get, unwarranted in my opinion, DQs at IBJJF competitions depending on the ref and when I teach takedowns in my classes I teach takedowns with the context of "this takedown will never be called for a slam" and "know the rules of your competition cause this one gets called depending on the ref" as far as ADCCs goes, that rule set is FAR MORE the wild west when it comes to hard takedowns and you gotta know that going in its likely to be a rougher experience then an IBJJF. And online BJJ communities are full of handwringers who are often just hobbyists and are really only used to gym rolling or older school guys who still take the old rules around slams and reaping as gospel. I'll toss in sometimes those older school folks work in fields of actual violence and kinda want to keep what they do in the gym as the fun game because its their escape.

[@brojitsu]

Absolutely agree. I've seen a lot lighter takedowns called a slam under the IBJJF ruleset lol.

[@ChocolateMilkCultLeader]

The lack of slams and throws (or standing in general) makes it hard to respect BJJ as a combat sport. They should penalize immediate guard pulling, so that this doesn't happen as much

[@AxaFin]

Or just make "nogi" submission wrestling which it is

[@thelogicalcaveman9139]

People still pull guard in that lol. We need to train and encourage it more, and id you are gonna pull guard it should go into a sweep of take down. Gorden Ryan pull guard but sweeps a lot from there.

[@itsreihart9865]

We need to make “powerbomb” an official term in Bjj because regardless of whether it’s a slam or throw every instance this move is done it would be classified as a powerbomb since you have to hold on to the wrestler while attempting your failed submission.

[@Jono793]

BJJ would be much improved by more Last Ride attempts.

[@rustyshackleford5288]

As someone who has been slammed horribly on the mats when slams aren't legal, I think slams should be legal to an extent. They can really shake up the game being played and add a new layer to the sport as a whole. I know they're dangerous, but that's what waivers are for. Besides, there are far more legal things we can do to each other in a match that can cause significantly more damage. I feel like this is a lot like the 12-6 elbows issue in the UFC. If you don't want to get slammed, learn different variations of defense against slams. Im not saying every tournament should allow them, especially for the kids, I would look forward to seeing them in the adult divisions. It'll make the sport more entertaining for those watching and will force jiu jitsu practitioners to evolve as martial artist.

[@BionicBurke]

Rules against slams are turning BJJ more and more into an art that works only against someone else using BJJ. Imagine you think you're ready for a street fight and have never been slammed before.. How do you think the fight is going to get to the ground where you want? You think you'll just get to lay on your back and not get your shit stomped in? BJJ is quickly becoming an even more useless art for self defense the more we neuter it in competition. You can't take a slam on mats, you probably won't survive a street fight making it to the ground. This is where the contradictory people who'd call everything not BJJ a bullshido art come in to say "It's only a competition.. it's only sport..." Time to relearn your roots of Judo, BJJ guys... You've all forgotten how to actually use Ukemi.

[@bubblewhip382]

I'm part of NLSA, the national legalize slam association. If you don't want to get slammed, let go of your guard, or sit down.

[@Xzontyr]

In the first month of taking sambo many years ago, there was a throw I took that just about made me quit in fear I would experience it again. We obtained alot of bumps and bruises in the old gym threw hitting the ground practicing flying techniques on others, so we weren't new to a bit of hang time. However, though I'm 6'2, 220-230 when slim, there was a more experienced heavyweight there that got carried away and got me with a bad one. It's a similar throw that's a counter to a bad headlock , but with a variation. He took my back, kept his left around my midsection, lowered himself and scooped behind my right knee with his right arm. Keeping my hips close to his shoulder. He was a tall guy to, so pretty soon I was up 7 or 8 feet in the air, and than falling at that angle straight onto my back once he let go of me. I wasn't out, but was not getting up in good health anytime soon. Not fun being popcorned regardless of weight class. However, if the man were to sacrifice himself by adding his weight into the drop, especially if turning into his opponent, and press on them while falling, than your no longer being popcorned, but instead ground into cornmeal. If I had to choose one, it'd still be popcorn.

[@epramberg]

Ura nage. I have PTSD from being the demonstration dummy for that one. When I was able to take falls, I was one of the students with good ukemi, so teachers would demonstrate that throw on me. It rung my bell every time. There is no way of making that throw safe. The best that you can hope for is that you can minimize damage.

[@NamesPhimble]

@@eprambergdid y’all not have crash pads?

[@epramberg]

@Fat_Cat89 we had 'em. We used 'em. We got the most that we could out of 'em. Crash pads are useful-ish. My bell got rung less. Granted, I also took slams on the tatami, but it is delusional to think that a crash pad is going to protect you from every fall, especially that kind of fall.

[@epramberg]

@@Xzontyr oooooooo...puzzle mats are good for striking arts. That probably didn't feel good. My condolences.

[@callumdent]

I trained in judo and japnese ju-jitsu since i was a teenage till my mid tweinties and i was my dad's training partner for his black belt. With in the orgernazation that we trained under part fo his grading was to give his oppion of the msot dangerous throws with in the style. rather than pick a big flashy trow he learned on the higher betls before black, he said one of the most dangerous throws was the hip throw, or oh-gohsi, for the fact that it can be used from different openings and how many varaitons of the throw there are, turning a controlled throw into a deverstating techniuqe. I also hold this to be true as I grew to appericate this since I lost control of a hip- throw, due to being tired and losing my poise, and turned it into a dropping verion, slamming my partner into the mat with more force, one time even letting go of my oppentntes hips, he was a difficult training partner and tried to squirm out of throws, even when not sparring, and my inside elbow ended up on his chest, letting me use the extra force to plant him into the mat harder if i wanted to. One guy had so much whip and power in his throw that you would smash your legs into the mat before the rest of you and we had to learn to adapt to this variation when taking his throw. I trianed with guys twice my size and if i didn't relax and work of my break falls I would have had my bones punded into gravel. People have a opinion too often of what is the correct technquie, what is fair. My opinion is that you shoudl be training for the possibility of any type of throw or slam, it's the only way to have a chance of surviing them. I'm a little unsure on the pratice of banning slams in certaining combat sports, if you're going to put your self into a position, say of a submission, then i would have thought that it would be wise to be ready for a counter such as a slam. but then again if everyone is doing the equiverlent of a power bomb all training session, you'd end up with a very small club and alost of former students. I think it's sort sighted of people to onyl think thecnuies like slams are dangerous, As Ramsey Dewey in Shanghai China pointed out, no one says anything about hip throws and the like, when they can be peroforemd with just as much deverstating effect a high throw or slam. people just seem to train to take the regualr thorws and pretend the others are cheating

[@ajshiro3957]

I always thought slams were a form of poetry you recite during the middle of a match before you do your signature move. Mic in hand. Ggetting the crowd ready while reciting very beautiful and emotional poetry. XD

[@RamseyDewey]

And you thought correctly!

[@kaizenproductions00]

Like an anime attack lol

[@DENVEROUTDOORMAN]

Nope poetry sucks

[@theg9401]

The Genius Lanny Poffo

[@B..B.]

3:40 that sweep was clean. Remembered me high school times, whe we did it against each others for fun

[@nomad155]

I remember telling BJJ guys why i prefer catch over BJJ. I told em that they cant handle slams, and they agreed. We gotta be honest with yourselves.

[@antonmclouglin6319]

long live professional catch

[@BMO_Creative]

Whoa! I almost didn't know who I was watching! LOL

[@christophervelez1561]

Funny story about people not knowing the rules I had a bjj black belt yell at me for giving points to his students opponent because, “you can’t sweep from half guard.”

[@RamseyDewey]

Oh my. That’s worrisome coming from a black belt!

[@BWater-yq3jx]

Thank you for the football comparison; was about to say that. ☝️🤨

[@lukaskillian8607]

That is the greatest intro ever, thank you Ramsey. Impressive sir 💪🏼

[@Marveryn]

am glad you explain this cause visually the sample look like a slam to me

[@beenright5115]

A "sweep the leg!" moment in bjj 😂

[@bobbob2564]

Great vid coach 👍

[@RamseyDewey]

Thank you!

[@jacksypher3403]

I think people are saying its a slam because it looked like it really hurt. Also Usually trips or throws in judo are done using the legs to trip or using the hip in a hip throw. The kid in the video picks the opponent up using just his arms. He sort of throws him to the ground instead of through the air which also adds to it looking like a slam

[@RamseyDewey]

They're upset because it looked aggressive.

[@jacksypher3403]

@@RamseyDewey isn't that supposed to be normal for a Competitive Combat Sport

[@Sully-xw9iu]

Hearing Ramsey Dewey say "mane" has completed me😂

[@elgilbro]

Same thing happens on bench press videos. Countless comments criticizing technique coming from ignorance of the rules of competition.

[@KiltedWarrior]

I was against you but very good explanation of the rules it is definitely a throw.

[@PrinceAkaiVtuber]

People tend to forget the "Martial" part in martial arts.

[@TheItalianGentleman2394]

You can slam in adcc. Dont think kids should be able to slam but for adults fine its on you to protect yourself at all times

[@Infinitehellwatcher]

It's more than just the physics of the two. It's the mind set. A lack of mercy and respect shouldn't be found in organized sport. Nor anywhere.

[@ajshiro3957]

I got called a criminal scum at the beginning of the video. ...this is gonna be a good one. XD

[@evankalis]

If bjj wants to be seen as an exciting sport and it adopts and reintroduces techniques from judo and wrestling then some people are gonna get dropped on their backs lol. Another case of thinly veiled shaming athleticism in the sport. Goes right in with the youre so strong compliments

[@dlatrexswords]

Not to take away anything from your spectacular discussion, but may I just say your shirts have been fire: I really should pick up this Skeletor sometime!

[@ynghuch]

Slams are an important part of grappling. If you don't learn to deal with them and look out for them your instincts are going to put you in a position where a guys gonna cripple you outside the gym.

[@Ohnonono123]

Yeah or inside the gym. I don't compete bro, I don't need to be slammed I'm just trying to learn jiu jitsu and get in shape.

[@ynghuch]

@@Ohnonono123 Jiujitsu was originally designed with slams in mind. There are techniques for you to avoid being slammed.

[@Cavouku]

Dangit Ramsey, I bought a Smarty probably two weeks before this vid came out. Coulda used that discount 😩

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

Who would you rather face in. An MMA fight? Chuck Liddell or the Witch-King of Angmar? No man can kill him, but Glorfindel was much less specific on the subject of kneebars

[@RamseyDewey]

Movie witch king or book witch king?

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

@@RamseyDewey Both. Pretty sure the book version doesn't have a physical head to punch, just a flame. Could make things interesting.

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

@@RamseyDewey Both. Pretty sure the book version doesn't have a physical head to punch, just a flame. Could make things interesting.

[@ryanhouk3560]

Takedown- push down Sweep- pull down Throw- lift and let gravity do the rest Slam- lift and help gravity out

[@ThatJamesGuy88]

I don’t like the idea of dropping someone onto their neck or head in competition. But I’m not an expert and wouldn’t claim to be one. And yes, these kids are far better wrestlers than I am. 🤷‍♂️

[@RamseyDewey]

No one got dropped on their neck or head.

[@watcheverything99]

I clicked for your shirt Ramsey and stayed for the Elder scrolls 👍

[@CarlySB]

How does a child differ from a "literal" child? Thank you for the wisdom and entertainment you give to us. 🙏

[@GionisTheWanderer]

He is way too amused by yeeting

[@RamseyDewey]

Or could it be that you are not amused enough by yeeting?

[@ragnarok700]

@@RamseyDewey Those two options are not mutually exclusive... but I'm leaning towards everyone needs to be more amused by it!!!

[@unifedgongfu]

can you please explain the rationality behind the definitions of slams and what is not slams? for me as a non-bjj practitioner its just looks so random and make no sense why it is illigal in bjj... tyvm

[@joaquinperucho6662]

15:46 Efectivamente, eres responsable de tu seguridad y, efectivamente, siempre se aprende. Yo soy judoka y una vez, para evitar que me hicieran un Ippon caí mal y me hice un esguince de hombro. Desde entonces me preocupo siempre por caer bien, aunque me marquen un Ippon.

[@gaetanmarcelin9813]

that auto correct did you so dirty loll , have a good day grand master !

[@tichtran664]

I would recommend that MOST bjj practioners learn wrestling. Especially freestyle or Greco roman wrestling. At least for the throws. If you're not interested in judo. But some judokas have learned and competed in Olympic wrestling. Like how when judo community told Laetitia Blot that she was too old she went an learned freestyle wrestling and then competed. After wrestling she then went to learn how to compete in sambo. Then went to MMA.

[@monkpato]

What an intro!

[@RamseyDewey]

Thanks!

[@ryanhouk3560]

BJJ has gotten so used to pulling guard in competitions, i wouldn't be suprised if they start doing matches from seated, knees or even a closed guard after a coin toss, and the standing portion just goes away entirely

[@nickdavis5420]

A good video I’m sadly blind now because my cars broke my glasses but even I can kinda see a difference between a throw and a slam .

[@GeorgeOu]

"Suplex, not a slam". LOL, that move can literally kill someone if they don't know how to take a fall.

[@kingartifex]

if you think those comments are crazy, you should see comments under karate competition videos. No matter what they guy does, there will be a legion of people in the comments saying "no control" "the guy smiled after scoring therefore its not proper etiquette and should he DQ" 😂😂

[@epramberg]

The judo brain says: "Slam no good? Me slam harder! You no like slam? Why you no like slam? Opponent bleed from ear. That good slam! Gasp! Slam illegal? Nooooo...you bad! Slam happy! Slam good! Me slam!"

[@BigBWolf90]

Kids play full American football, rugby, box which causes tons of damage but a throw in grappling that was controlled & people act like he's Rampage powerbombing Arona or even The Undertaker hitting the last ride or Scott Hall (r.i.p.) hitting the razor's edge

[@wyattbronx007]

Please Ramsey make one more Kirk Fu video for 2024!

[@chatu-aries8417]

Oh man just realized you have a brown belt now haha I'm sure I'm late but congrats.🤙🏼

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

I didn't know suplex is not a slam.

[@bravelilspidey]

One of the guys at my dojo loves to blast through with a double leg take down, and i feel his shoulder dig into my abdominals, but i always flip him over and we reset. It sucks, but as long as he doesnt have a dominant position at the end of the maneuver.

[@martialgeeks]

Please break down the technical nuances of "the Yeet" 😂

[@nickolasdesouza3610]

Your edits are great bro

[@RamseyDewey]

Thanks!

[@officebreakgaming1555]

Holy shit! You need to voice some of the characters of the next Elder Scrolls Game 😁

[@RamseyDewey]

My dream is to do voices for the lizard people.

[@pedroalexandredillemburg3751]

Now to the most important question: Do you start to forget who you are and where are you at if you don't say it out-loud Ramsey?

[@langsnek07]

Slamming should be legal as long as there is an effort to protect the head and neck if to avoid a submission in standing position No slamming also exists in folkstyle wrestling The rule is counter to the mission of a combat sport and how it relates to martial arts

[@Turbodog702]

For clarification, why is a German suplex not considered a slam if you maintain the bodylock throughout like you did in the example? Edit: Somewhat the same question for a variety of Judo throws where you maintain control of an arm or waist into ground control. Is that about not having torso control?

[@RamseyDewey]

A slam is lifting a downed opponent up from their guard and driving them back down into the mat. Did I not give enough examples and illustrations in this video?

[@Turbodog702]

@@RamseyDewey So the distinction is lifting a person from the mat as opposed to both combatants starting standing? I am genuinely curious since I would have thought something like a no release German would qualify as a slam. I suppose the wording on 12:00 is somewhat confusing to me since it sounded like this was with both combatants from a standing position.

[@RamseyDewey]

In theory, that’s what a slam is supposed to be. The reality of BJJ tournaments is that some refs will sometimes DQ competitors for fair and legal takedowns because they make a big sound or look scary.

[@Turbodog702]

@@RamseyDewey Thank you for the response. Despite not competing, I still like to understand what rules hurdles fighters might be under when watching competitive footage. It let's me understand why an option might not be viable with a particular rules set. I have a pretty solid idea for MMA, but I am still learning the variance in grappling/wrestling.

[@Jono793]

ADCC: a rule set where you can, as a blue belt, get legally suplexed onto your head. Repeatedly. You should consider that before entering those events... What I will say, is that they shouldn't really be hosting those types of competitions on judo-style mats! If they're going to allow high amplitude takedowns and suplexes, They should be getting proper wrestling mats down.

[@RamseyDewey]

Several points: 1. A suplex throws an opponent onto their shoulders/back not the head. If you land on your head when being suplexed, it is because you are making a deliberate effort to extend your neck up and backward as if looking toward the sky. The same can be said of any high amplitude throw. 2. All Judo hip throws are high amplitude throws. These throws also throw an opponent onto their shoudlers/back, unless the opponent deliberately hyperextends their posture backwards as if looking up toward the sky.

[@myhandlehasbeenmishandled]

LOL, oh, the number of times autocorrect destroyed a point I tried making. The only upside is you can be anonymous.

[@RamseyDewey]

I am never anonymous.

[@SteveJuszczak-dx3gz]

That kid hit the side of his head , this may present an issue

[@KatoCoyoteCombatWorkshop]

BJJ is an incredibly effective and rewarding art that is being constantly and repeatedly shot in the knee down by its sport aspect.

[@ImranKhan-dr8bb]

So the difference is gravity only to the ground versus assisted with gravity to the ground (or physically driven to the ground)?

[@BatBreakr]

Slam....naw should be Smash or throw... yeah the kid clearly didn't slam... in fact the video is so clear that any debate should be about the rules not the kid's actions. The people attacking the kids in the comments on that video just are pathetic.

[@andrewbennett1176]

Love the shirt!

[@justinrivera1618]

So I train in boxing and I’ve only grappled in junior high, but it seems like the difference between a throw and a slam is obvious. Personally, I’m not even anti-slam. There’s no reason I can punch somebody but they can’t hit somebody with the ground?

[@Berengier817]

11:00 football and BJJ are different sports. The same parents who cheer for BJJ may not cheer for football. However everything else you said I agree with. BJJ is based on Judo and they're mad someone did a throw, which is badass If i had kids (and I won't) i would support them doing Judo, but refuse football.

[@donaldnewell4868]

I don’t see that throw being called a slam in wrestling, even folkstyle would allow it. In general, wrestling is more open to aggressive throws or slam adjacent moves than BJJ. A suplex is not gentle. Some bjj tournaments specifically disallow suplex throws for example. My takeaway was the boy in green was not ready for an aggressive opening move. He needs to get lower and be ready to sprawl, step aside… If he starts the match standing so straight, it’s asking for a shot. Don N.

[@jamesoneill8901]

The auto correct thing was pee your pants funny 😂

[@sagetmaster4]

When you're sparring with your students will you consider saying "yeet!" Everytime you throw them?

[@wyattbronx007]

PS I looked it up is the episode that’s called what little girls are made of.

[@RamseyDewey]

What are you talking about?

[@detectivepenegrande]

Excuse me Ramsey, I know this question does not touch the topic of this video, but for some time now I wanted to ask you. What is your take on drinking? I know you probably dont drink but, is it too bad to take a couple of beers on the weekend? I ask you this because I view you as a man with more experience in life and probably will give me a good advice, as you have before if you remember. Saludos.

[@wyattbronx007]

PSS Ramsey I’m talking about doing another Kirk Fu video Wyatt

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Looks like a HS wrestling match, especially a wrestle off, what's the big deal? Oh wait the butt scooters are upset, learn to defend a takedown.

[@RamseyDewey]

I had to censor out so many toxic comments from the butt scooters. Getting mad is an understatement.

[@SwordFighterPKN]

@@RamseyDewey - LOL!!!!!!

[@iankelley9704]

I am having a really hard time understanding why suplexes aren't considered slams. I would think that because you're still holding on, it's a slam, not a throw. . .but on a secondary review, the common thread between everything Mr. Dewey called a slam seemed to utilize a negative hip hinge while holding the opponent.

[@MkFilipe2]

Nice intro! haha

[@ronmka8931]

On a serious note Ramsey consider disabling autocorrect, its better than accidentally telling someone they are so fat rather than saying far

[@pathfinder7614]

I will preface this by saying I've been training bjj less than a year, so my opinion in this doesn't mean squat lol. I'm still trying to avoid de-pantsing myself while shrimping, so I don't count lol. So keeping that in mind, I agree with all of that except the suplex. To me, that one is pretty extreme. But that's just my opinion that holds about as much water as a strainer lol.

[@RamseyDewey]

What specifically about the suplex do you disagree with?

[@pathfinder7614]

@RamseyDewey mainly it seems like it's high percentage spike someone head first. Also seems like it's adding power like a slam, but I also understand I have limited knowledge on this so I cannot say for certain

[@RamseyDewey]

@@pathfinder7614 a suplex is not spiking. Once again, spiking = piledriver (ie: lifting an inverted opponent straight up to straight down) A suplex, just like every high amplitude throw has a trajectory to throw an opponent onto their shoulders. If you land on your head when being thrown with a suplex, a hip throw, a high dive, a high crotch lift, a standing fireman’s carry, a mat return, etc, it’s your own fault for sticking your head up looking for the sky instead of tucking your chin and rounding your back like you should with every single throw and takedown. People are particularly afraid of the suplex (both doing it and receiving it) because they are instinctive afraid of moving backward and upside down because they can’t see where they are going, and we as a species tend to be terrified of what we can’t see, and being upside down. There have been far more catastrophic injuries caused by pulling guard in BJJ tournaments than from suplexes across all combat sports. That’s not even hyperbole (and the suplex is still IBJJF legal, mind you)

[@pathfinder7614]

@RamseyDewey ok that makes sense. And I appreciate you taking the time to explain that. Thank you!

[@BionicBurke]

"I train BJJ, I know how to fight for real... you train Bullshido.." One minute later.... "HOW DARE YOU SLAM ME! THAT'S ILLEGAL!" Who's the fake martial art now? Ninnies...

[@19cream832]

I want that shirt Dewey

[@petereriksson6760]

Grab and pull guard, sure. Butt-scooting is a way worse problem. It is a sport derived from Judo even though BJJ focuses on newaza. Get over it. Ramsey is entirely right.

[@user-go8zl4hs3d]

Dear ramsey, i broke my hand in my 1st kickboxing hand, and the metacarpel (I think thats what its called, i mean the bone in your hand) of my pointer finger has healed slightly bent, so my 1st knuckle of my right side is slightly below the other ones. I am worried it will break again du to being bent and being more prone to breaking. Its not extremely disfigured, just slight. Any tips, and how will it affect my career as a martial artist. Best wishes. Ps: do you know peter mettler?

[@RamseyDewey]

Can you make a fist? Do you have any problems gripping things? Does your finger give you any problems when you train? I’m familiar with Peter Metler. I follow his content. He’s really good.

[@user-go8zl4hs3d]

​@@RamseyDewey I an not yet fully recovered, so i still have some problems gripping, but i can make a fist.

[@Gavrahil]

Coming from Judo, I have a question: after he threw his opponent, why did he not try to secure the hold, armbar or whatever? He just walked away. Was he out of the bounds of the mat, and would have been reset anyway, or why did he just walk away?

[@RamseyDewey]

He chose to stop. That’s it. From a rules perspective, his choice makes no sense. In ADCC rules, you only score for a takedown if you land in a dominant position on the ground. And the matches continue if you go out of bounds. He chose to stop. And it’s probably a good thing he did, because his opponent was injured and unable to continue. He saved that boy further injury by walking away.

[@Gavrahil]

@@RamseyDewey Thanks. From the short clip, I couldn't exactly make out, if the boy on the ground was hurt,so I thought it might have been a rule of BJJ, I don't know. But this makes a lot of sense.

[@rocelderamos3013]

Wait, so German Suplex, Duck Under Lift, and old school Fireman's carry are not allowed?

[@RamseyDewey]

No. Those are all legal.

[@MysteriousPotatoe]

Why is skeletor death staring me

[@HappyBuffalo347]

Maybe they should just make slams legal. If someone can pick you up while youre in guard then your guard sucks.

[@wyattbronx007]

Ramsey what part of China do you live in? I was reading your bio I saw a Singapore etc. where are you based now?

[@RamseyDewey]

I have lived in Shanghai for the last 15 years. I fought in Singapore once, but never lived there.

[@pulloutpadawan420]

if i standup while my opponent either has a triangle on me or i’m in their closed guard and they just fall without me pushing on their hips, could refs still consider that a slam? i know it really isn’t but the way it looks seems like my opponent released their hold because they fear i’m going to power bomb them.

[@RamseyDewey]

It could happen. I’ve seen it happen many times. If you are going to lift your opponent in an IBJJF match, make sure you are holding them in such a way that if they let go, it will be blatantly obvious to the referee that it is not a slam (eg: with an underhook so they can’t fall quickly to the floor)

[@NoForksGiven]

He threw him, but he didnt throw him up, he threw him down, and thus looked like a slam. BTW what kind of assbackwords wrestling doesn't allow slams? That's like the best part. The fans love it. The WWE created a monopoly on wrestling for entertainment because the majority of wrestlers win with slams.

[@RamseyDewey]

Have you ever seen anyone throw a human being upward in a fight?

[@youngwarrior9362]

If I could give any advice to bjj practitioners, disqualification by knockout is a cool title to have 😂

[@TaijDevon]

I'd consider the onus to protect you is on the ref. But one of the main ways a ref does that is calling it that you lost if you are not intelligently protecting yourself. You may be mad about it, but if a ref halts a match and declares you the loser he may have saved you from brain damage.

[@RaderizDorret]

The IBJJF rules regarding "slams" annoy me. I have a better idea if safety is the goal: if someone has an opponent in full guard and the opponent manages to lift them, then that's a stop of the action, a reset to standing, and points awarded to the one who did the lift. I've had BJJ players tell me that would skew the rules in favor of brute force, but even as a karateka, I know what it takes to lift a resisting human being: it takes a lot of skill and timing to pull off without hurting yourself. And these are the same types who tell me they'd just pull guard and tap me out from the bottom even through me doing my best to get loose or hammer away at them with punches and elbows. My response: "If you can do all this amazing shit off your back and I can lift you anyways, then you failed at your job. After all, you keep telling me how BJJ lets you beat the meatheads off your back so prove it. Or you can start putting in weight classes like other combat sports".

[@ashtraydekay6624]

Good video, but where is the elder scrolls portion?

[@RamseyDewey]

That was an announcement of a series of upcoming videos. Was that not clear?

[@ashtraydekay6624]

@@RamseyDewey oh, it made it sound like it was coming at the end of the video

[@RamseyDewey]

@@ashtraydekay6624 Ah, thanks for the feedback! You’re not the only one who asked about this. It’s good to know how I can communicate ideas better. I appreciate it!

[@retroghidora6767]

So there are double legs that are slams? Why would a double be a slam but not any turning throw if you keep your grips? Do you have to clearly let go? I don't know I feel like the rules aren't super clear, I can at least see why people might be wrong.

[@RamseyDewey]

A slam is almost always understood as lifting a downed opponent off the ground (usually from guard position) and then thrusting or swinging them back down again. Double leg takedowns are not slams.

[@Reellron]

He seemed to be applying downward force to his opponent, so per the rule you cited, it's a slam. When you demonstrate a throw, you're Not applying downward force to the dummy. Slow the original video down to 0.25 speed and pause it back and forth, it definately looks like he's applying downward force.

[@RamseyDewey]

And? Slams are legal in ADCC.

[@Reellron]

​@@RamseyDewey, you were saying about five times in the video that it wasn't a slam. You also stated that the move wasn't illeagal because it wasn't a slam.

[@RamseyDewey]

@@Reellron And it wasn't. And even if it was (which it wasn't) it would still have been legal. So?

[@Reellron]

​@@RamseyDewey, it was a slam by the description you read.. if you read the wrong one, please mend that fault. You should be more consitent with your narratives, claiming it's not illeagal because it wasn't a slam and then saying slams are leagal is not cohesive.

[@RamseyDewey]

@@Reellron 1. It was not a slam by the description I read. You are misinterpreting that rule. 2. As I specified in this video, that text is an IBJJF rule. 3. We discussed 6 different combat sports rules regarding scoring this throw in this video including ADDC (legal, but no points), Shuai Jiao (3 points), Sambo (total victory/instant win), Sanda (3 point throw) Bokh (instant win) IBJJF (legal. 2 points if your opponent stays on the floor for 3 seconds after the throw) You not being able to understand the rules after they are explained to you more than once is not inconsistency on my part.

[@TrayCaddyyy]

Doesn’t judo avoid slams by awarding an ippon for picking up your opponent if they have you in their guard?

[@justin8865]

? Why worry about comments in adcc that's all legal.

[@RamseyDewey]

The fact that so many BJJ black and brown belts don't even know the rules of competition concerns me. That's why.

[@justin8865]

@RamseyDewey lol bet they're the same brain dead idiots who think leg locks don't work and modern jujitsu sucks. It's like those idiots who say bjj is just gaurd pulling. I don't even bother engaging with them anymore cause it's clear they don't compete, probably don't even train with intention anymore. I give 5 years your gunna have at least wrestling fundamentals as well utilized as footlocks are today. At least here in the north east I can throw a rock at a gym and hit at least five fuckin former or active wrestlers. Stand up is being developed. So I don't need bother with these yesterday nerds.

[@danif1359]

Is it normal to feel brain pain when falling on the mat, even low impact falls?