Rancilio Silvia Pro vs. Rocket Espresso Appartamento

[@dogflirt]

Man , I wish there was a Sylvia that looked like the appartamento. 🔥🖤

[@tnvideoguy]

The new Silvia upgrade now known as the Rancilio Silvia Pro X … is VERY INTRIGUING! The Pro X may be my next espresso machine ($1,870)! Looking at this machine, as well as the Profitec Pro 700 ($2,979), the El Rocio Zarre V2 ($3,750) and on the high end … the Eagle Prima One from Victoria Arduino ($5,990).

[@jk25653]

Did you end up buying a new machine? Let us know which and how you are enjoying it!

[@woosha10]

I’m happy with my apartmento . I make up to 40 coffees a week , it does it easily .

[@LUckybones25]

40 a week! Wow!

[@woosha10]

@@LUckybones25 not just for me .

[@teddvidler6830]

Well it's been a couple of weeks with my new Rocket Appartamento / Baratza sette 30 grinder. Turning out great espresso / americano was easy compared to streaming milk, but making progress. Nice video. Thanks.

[@dimejotape]

How's it going with that set up!? Just got the same this week. Wish you got the 270?

[@mrev7725]

Me pregunto si la Rocket Appartamento es tan longeva como la Rancilio Silvia, y tiene tanto soporte de partes y de informacion de como repararla como lo tiene la Rancilio Silvia.

[@evakeizers9670]

The Rancilia Silvia Pro is more than twice the price of a normal Silvia. Another let down the vibration pump makes a lot of noise. To adjust the boiler pressure is very laborious. Again the diptray is very clumsy. The steamwand isn't insulated. Limited pre infusion. At this price tag I am expecting both more improvements and refinements.

[@samuelolivares6671]

Ordered the Apartamento. I recieve it tomorrow!! I can’t wait.

[@bagasster8104]

So it is been a month, how is it goin?

[@samuelolivares6671]

@@bagasster8104 love, love, love it. I get to have premium coffee every single morning. I am really impressed with how easy it is to use and quick clean up as well. My only one gripe is I wish the water canister held more water. But then that would make the machine bigger. I feel like I always pull constant premium shots every time.

[@davidvishnukumar]

@@samuelolivares6671 Hi :) Its been 3 months now, how is your experience with the apartamento? How is maintenance? Thank you!

[@samuelolivares6671]

@@davidvishnukumar It has been AMAZING!! great espressos and very low maintenance. I am so glad I purchased the apartamento. Just wish it had a bigger water reservoir because I find my self filing up frequently. But other than that it is 5 stars.

[@davidvishnukumar]

@@samuelolivares6671 thanks! Glad to hear it

[@marylandflyer5670]

Given the choice I’d take the Atom 75 grinder 😃

[@BryanPike]

The Rocket is definitely higher on the Eye Candy Scale.

[@highoctaneadventure]

I’d choose boiler over heat exchanger and two boilers for steam and group head, it’s an easy choice between these two unless you can get the Rocket with two boilers.

[@SDGabeP]

Great video. Please use clear glass for the videos. Small request on a great video but it helps to be able to see what you're putting out. Thanks

[@Tj-bs6ej]

Loving my silvia pro

[@thebusinessfirm9862]

Bravissimo. La Silvia è la macchina dì caffè più buono per casa. Grazie per il video.

[@MarcoNoPolo]

Che cazzo? That machine is merda.

[@raduoancea1074]

Can you please also compare Rancilio Silvia Pro with Profitec 300?

[@ken33935]

They don't sell Profitec

[@davidfuller581]

The way I see it, it's always better to decouple the steam water and brew water from one another. That alone makes the Silvia my choice.

[@kathyparrish9025]

What knockbox are you using in this video?

[@cuquis77]

I love the looks of the Rocket Appartamento but I've been a Rancilio Silvia's user for 15 years , should I sell my silvia and get the appartamento?

[@SeattleCoffeeGear]

It might be worth trying if you're looking for something different! We love the Silvia too so it really comes down to preference.

[@tsedaka]

I have an Appartamento I baby (filtered water, regular backflushes). Do not recommend them, first year I started seeing the body rust, year six I had to replace the control board and looks like my boiler heating element is dying. If you use tap water the machine will start crumbling even faster.

[@cloudcolubrids4603]

Love watching your videos. I have a channel about snakes and love to drink coffe before and during my videos so this is great. I love coffee❤

[@howdyitsdavid]

BICYCLE COFFEE FOREVER! Nice shirt John. But why wouldn’t you just change the grind foe the apparatmento? This is weird.

[@johnholmquist9277]

Thank you! Bicycle Coffee is great! We film these videos during our normal work day, so we have limited time. I personally like to see how each machine reacts to the same grind size and dose. The Silvia Pro has a smaller flow restrictor/gigleur which slows down brew times as well.

[@balmatian]

The reviewer is not that knowledgable IMO

[@ghas4151]

Brew temperature stability will always be better on a dual boiler with PID, and the Silvia Pro happens to be one of the better machines in that regard. Excellent value for money. The Apartamento is pretty, I’ll give it that at least. 😉

[@acacia987]

silvia pro over a lelit Elizabeth or a profitec pro 300?? Elizabeth has a ton of features.

[@TheD3luxee]

Its true that the Elizabeth has many features and its a dual boiler, but i would not go with it because the build quality is bad. All pipes inside the elizabeth are plastic pipes.. just search for "lelit elizabeth inside" on google and view the pictures. The Silvia Pro and Profitec are build with better quality and almost all pipes are made of metal. The difference could be found in the details of the pid / control electronic, i don't know all features of both machines but it could be a difference there. Otherwise its the look, the price is almost the same here. But if you really looking for a machine, there are tons of videos and reviews for all three machines. But i would always compare dual boiler with dual boiler, and not dual boiler and heat exchange.. And if a machine is cheap or more expensive, there is always a reason for it.

[@acacia987]

@@TheD3luxee i agree comparing HX and DB is strange in general. The other machines (silvia/pro300) seem a little more organized inside. The biggest diff among these three seem to be that the silvia pro has dual pumps. I don't see the problem with using "plastic" (silicone) over copper since brew boiler is over the group. As with how the boiler material changed, i think you will see the same in tubing over time since its so much easier/cheaper to work with.

[@francescosalanitri6769]

@@TheD3luxee nothing wrong with PTFE tubing. makes maintenance much easier, easy to remove and refit. The features you get with the Elizabeth are miles ahead of Silvia and profitec. Cheers

[@TheD3luxee]

@@francescosalanitri6769 I totally agree on the maintenance point. But personally I don't want plastic tubes in my machine for hot water. But the features at this price point are amazing. I like lelit but I'm looking for bianca ;)

[@francescosalanitri6769]

@@TheD3luxee fair enough! Hope you can get your Bianca soon!

[@nicks6813]

Great review, thank you! I am contemplating both of these machines, but also maybe saving a bit more for the next tier up. What are the main differences between this price point, and the next higher one?

[@bobbyomari5500]

I’ve had my Appartamento for about 3 months now and while I enjoy using it, I really would consider something else with the knowledge I have now. It’s not a bad machine, but I’m wanting things that would help me brew better and give me a better experience overall. I’d highly suggest something with a PID because that will make a world of a difference. I’d also consider something that is plumbable in the future. I have a thermometer in my grouphead but it sure does take a lot of flushing (pretty wasteful use of water) and learning your HX machine (Appartamento) to get the right temps. One other thing I don’t like is how the metal is not rolled in the Appartamento. You can easily cut yourself all around the drip tray and different areas of the machine if you’re not careful. If you can stretch your budget a bit more, I’d look at what ECM or Profitec has to offer, consider the Lelit Mara X, and again, a PID is really really helpful/recommended IMO. I am pretty much a noob as my experience is limited but you quickly figure it out and with the Appartamento it might leave you feeling like you want more. All that aside, I do love how it looks, the espresso I can pull, and the durability of the machine. If you choose an Appartamento, I’d really consider getting an E61 grouphead thermometer! Otherwise, it’s like driving with a blindfold on as temps can change quite dramatically in the grouphead and you might not be able to pull the most consistent shot, shot-to-shot. Hope this helps and you find the right machine for you :)

[@bigglyguy8429]

What Bobby said, or just get the Silvia, which heats faster and stays consistent ;)

[@kauailaw]

What grinder is that?

[@reactionsok]

How about Lelit PL92T Elizabeth vs the Silvia Pro?

[@reactionsok]

I don’t think Seattle is a vendor who can sell let alone review lelits.

[@bigglyguy8429]

Surprisingly hard to find, and even harder for parts. When making my decision I deliberately imagined certain parts had broken, and tried ordering replacements... Couldn't find the parts for any of the machines on my short-list, inc the Silvia Pro (because its so new) but EVERYWHERE that sells coffee machine parts seems to stock parts for Rancilio Silvia, so I'm pretty confident they'll be there when I need them. I just couldn't say that about Lelit or Profitech, ECM or others I looked at.

[@BryanPike]

The color panel thingy is not a plus for me.

[@mrev7725]

I wonder if the Rocket Appartamento is as long-lasting as the Rancilio Silvia, and has as much support for parts and information on how to repair it as the Rancilio Silvia does.

[@SeattleCoffeeGear]

The Silvia definitely has a rich history and a large hobby community around it, but thankfully the Appartemento is extremely well supported by Rocket and has seen a lot of refinement over time. You definitely can't go wrong with either in terms of support.

[@bigglyguy8429]

One point about heat exchanger machines, and their need for frequent flushing - don't forget a good machine needs decent water, which means expensive filters, which don't last forever.

[@paulclaven5086]

Solid vid - Thanks!

[@ukonthego]

Can you please compare the Rancilio Silvia pro with profitec pro 300

[@Lucastrujillo59]

Great video thank you for sharing

[@p4lxrich]

What’s the pressure on the rocket at the portafilter?

[@ygprmn_id]

which one suitable for coffee truck?i need machine that efficient in power

[@kazutokirito6810]

It really depends on your cafe station, both of this espresso machine is not using pump rotary, which mean you need to fill water tank every time its run out of water. So if your cafe is lil bit more busy, find espresso machine that had pump rotatary, but if your cafe is not that busy, I think both of this is great.

[@TheAlexRosas]

Curious how a smart plug could fry your espresso machine? Only asking because I have one on my Mozzafiato

[@garvinp6331]

Depends on the quality of the plug. If it is poorly designed it can cause electrical surges when it flips on or off

[@Smellslikegelfling]

It can't because no matter what it won't cause more than 120v to pass. No one has ever damaged a machine with a smart plug or timer unless they ran the boiler dry, which isn't the timers fault.

[@donalexey]

It can't. I think I am going to put one to work tomorrow to preheat my Silvia before I wake up.

[@BryanPike]

The Silvia heats up wayyyy faster.

[@donalexey]

Exactly. My heats up in 3-5 min. And I overheat water and purge it a little to make heat portafilter even faster.

[@DrFearCo]

It’s not really possible for a smart plug to fry your machine. There are no transformers in the plug so there’s no change or possible change in voltage. More than likely the smart plug will fail closed anyways. Also I don’t think it’s fair to consider someone using a heat exchanger as not a “coffee nerd”. A heat exchanger with a PID is really accurate as measured by whole latte love etc.

[@jimmydavis853]

Silvia pro rocks! It’s better in every way. Don’t get caught up in the E61 group head talk. PID is the only way to go on a espresso machine. Change the basket and shower head on Silvia pro and you will have a machine that can hang with units that cost in the $3000-4000 range.

[@Tj-bs6ej]

I have the pro which shower head do you recommend changing 2 and why ?

[@joellemaire7441]

I'm with Tj, don't leave us hanging! :) Which shower head do you recommend?

[@venanciocastroviejojimenez6414]

Apartamento o Silvia,me quedo con Eureka Atom

[@floxshuilee1760]

I haven't realized that I am watching SCG until I saw the comment "We want that old woman". I like her better, she's like the mobiletechreview but for coffee.

[@Wyman642]

Why did Rancilio not insulate the steam wand? If someone is going to pay a higher price for the Pro, the extra cost for a steam wand is likely negligible. Without it, the Pro seems cheap.

[@paulangulo6821]

Excellent

[@truenoae101]

Do a comparison of the Breville Dual Boiler and the Rancilio Silvia Pro please!!!!!

[@Snoogle2]

Breville will be put in a bin in a couple of years though it does have some nice features. It's an appliance....steer clear if you want a machine that lasts.

[@bigglyguy8429]

Like Derry said, Breville is an appliance company. Their toasters and even their grinders are great, but they don't make an espresso machine that lasts. Some people get lucky, but most don't. My Breville Bambino died in just 7 stupid months, which is why i just ordered the Silvia Pro, which I intend to keep pretty much forever, or until I'm too old to remember how to use it.

[@MrArdytube]

I sort of suspected that it would be harder to get the best temperature stability on a heat exchanger.

[@CookieManCookies]

I suspect it's the lack of a PID controller for better stability, as well as the huge thermal mass of the E61 group head. I don't see how this is a good comparison, seeing as the Silvia Pro is a dual broiler, and the Rocket Espresso is a heat exchanger meant to brew or steam, but not both at the same time.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@CookieManCookies Why can't you brew and steam at the same time on a heat exchanger?

[@fernmachine3778]

A dual boiler vs an HX machine...its predictable. If you bought an Appartamento without knowing this then you skipped your research..

[@AzizIzgin]

Care to elaborate? Sorry for bad question but do you mean that BD always wins? I am on my way to buy the Lelit Mara X (or maybe Elizabeth) and hope that I have done my research ☺️

[@marylandflyer5670]

Why doesn’t Rancilio include a $29 pressure gauge? Makes no sense to me...

[@sn_all_test]

rancilio has 2 boilers and PID controller. ROCKET has one boiler and no actual control over brew temperature and the press gauge is only for looks it doesn't show extraction pressure it shows boiler pressure, Rancilio's PID costs 400 us installed so its not the 29$. actually is like comparing a 30'' TV with a 60'' smart TV. Poor choice for comparison.

[@acacia987]

@@sn_all_test i think the point was why the ~$1600 silvia pro doesn't include a 30$ pressure gauge on the brew boiler. fair point. Aesthetics maybe?

[@sn_all_test]

@@acacia987 a for sure it does not go well with the siiva design, b it is unnecessary you get the info you need from the PID temperature display and c it wound need 2 or 3 one for steam boiler one for brew boiler and one for pump pressure (the last one is actually the most useful of the three )

[@acacia987]

@@sn_all_test i agree that for the steam boiler you can convert Temperature to pressure. But for the brew pressure don't you want to see the pressure during an extraction. Again, you could probably tell by shot time/taste, but i feel those interested in DB want all this type of data.

[@sn_all_test]

@@acacia987 you are right on all, so aesthetics and keeping silvia's design

[@starwf07]

Did the Rocket just need a finer grind?

[@johnholmquist9277]

It could've used a finer grind and a bit more time to warm up. We were running out of time while filming and had to get it as close as we could in the time we had!

[@astronomical13]

This guy brews espresso that tastes like lemon peels and green tea meanwhile I make espresso and it tastes like licking a wet car tire.

[@dantedanis]

Rocket looks luxury vs Rancilio looks machine from Wish, (Chinese products)

[@salehkambijo1849]

We want the old women

[@ThorMaxx]

She retired.

[@bigglyguy8429]

They were entertaining but.... but..

[@jimisweetnyc]

Lol

[@davidd9045]

Lelit Elizabeth beats them both and is the same cost.

[@bigglyguy8429]

I was interested but hard to find in Malaysia, and worse the shops selling it seemed... well I didn't want to buy from them. It was on my short-list but in the end the established quality, easy parts availability and past/future classic status of the Silvia made me decide it's just the safer choice. Lelit keep changing their models, and while that can be a good thing it can also be a bad thing if you want to keep the machine a long time. I fully intend - and expect - to use the Silvia for at least 10 years. That's not just quality of component but 'does the company stand by their product?' The 20+ year history of the Silvia says yes, they do.

[@davidvishnukumar]

@@bigglyguy8429 exactly! Fully understand what you mean by the shops selling it seeming so….. haha… what did you get in the end bro, and are you happy with it?

[@evakeizers9670]

There are better machines at this pricetag than the Appartemento and the Silvia Pro. The Appartemento has no PID and a long starting up time. The Silvia Pro is very loud. Both machines definately not for me.

[@keviiino]

Gale

[@ArbathSahadewa]

Please do old style SCG 4 latte video with silvia pro. 😁

[@JanoyCresva]

Where TF is clementine?

[@mattwilliams7454]

i like the apartamento. unless you are making 8 drinks in a row or something

[@psalmreader909]

For a pop up coffee spot it can easily do 8 drinks in a row, Great for any usage unless you are a cafe .

[@rAustinBall]

Rockets take 40 minutes for the temp to stabilize

[@ThorMaxx]

Me: 'Alexa...make me an espresso' Alexa: 'don't you think you had enough caffeine for one day?' Me: 'ALEXA....I SAID MAKE ME A FRIKKEN ESPRESSO' Alexa: 'no....you had enough.....'. Bbrreeerreezzzzzzzz. *smoke off the espresso machine*

[@howdyitsdavid]

I’ve been using appartamento for three and a half years. I’ve never had to wait longer than 20ish minutes to get to temp.

[@rAustinBall]

@@howdyitsdavid do you have a thermometer in the group head? There are videos out there with very detailed testing of water temp at the puck and it’s 40 minutes I’m telling you. I have a Mozzafiato which is basically the same thing.

[@Todd.T]

@@howdyitsdavid I have a Giotto Evoluzione R. You can pull shots at 20 minutes but at 40 the shots taste different and the recovery time is faster at 40. I liked the flavors at 20 minutes over 40 minutes with the beans I use and lowered the temp 1 degree if the machine was filthy hot. You'll notice I am using the past tense. I installed a Profitec flow control valve and gauge. If I slow the flow, the temps will stay hotter on a cooler machine. Came from a Silvia with a PID.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@Todd.T I'm curious how the water flow rate will affect the temperatures? I'd think (and John from Decent mentioned this in a video about his machine, which works differently though) if you have slower flow of water, temperature would gradually cool down since it's not getting as much hot water from the boiler as quick as usual (or heat exchanger in this case). Or is it because the group head tends to overheat when sitting idle it would stay hotter with lower flow? I'd think it wouldn't make too much of a difference, and these two factors might counteract eachother and help keep temps relatively stable maybe.

[@brozbro]

Title should read: Rocket Espresso Appartamento vs. Rancilio Silvia Pro

[@balmatian]

its not a race bro. The Appartmento is far superior

[@muratakin8584]

Yes appartamento is superior , if you want an espresso machine just to print its picture on your t-shirt..

[@floxshuilee1760]

@@muratakin8584 don't think he can afford neither one of these two.

[@CookieManCookies]

I downvoted your video, because the apartamento is a HX water exchange system with a basic on/off SSR for heating up the water, where the Silvia Pro is a dual broiler with a PID controller. If you want finite control, the Lelit Bianca will run circles around the Silvia Pro. I think you can't really compare a orange, to an apple. They're completely different types of machines.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

Many cafes don't use double boilers or PID equipped machines. They use heat exchangers. And I can guarantee they would run circles around you and your Lelit bianca or the Sylvia Pro. That is, if you even own a machine at all.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Maybe they're both around the same price point, which would make them good to compare. I don't know the prices.

[@brenttilson7617]

The Lelit Bianca double boiler is $3795. The Silvia Pro is $2280. Huge price difference!!

[@a.k.2363]

Jesus Christ, you third wave guys are just hidden tea drinker. A little "lemon peel" here some "orange" there. - Thanks god, I am used to the good old world of italian dark style roasted stuff, no older than 2 weeks.

[@johnholmquist9277]

I mean, I do like to taste the hard work of the farmer who has dedicated their life to growing and processing coffee, but that's why our motto is make coffee you love! We all have different tastebuds!

[@MarcoNoPolo]

"I'm using OLD coffee" Oh really??? You work at a supposed "high-end" coffee store, but you're using old coffee? GTFO You just ruined any credibility you had. If you had any. =Þ The Rocket is obviously the superior machine. More credibility down the drain. Give up kid, Go sell used cars or something.