Rancilio Silvia V6 Espresso Machine Review

[@leonardmilcin7798]

I am using exactly the same set as in the video (previous version of Silvia and the current version of Baratza Sette 270Wi). Overall I am very happy but it takes some learning curve to get good coffee consistently so here are some tips: 1. Invest in a good VST basket and corresponding tamper that will fit it very well (I am using Motta competition). I am also using a dristributor tool. 2. Silvia has large screw in the middle of shower that will damage the tamped coffee puck. Cracks in the puck will cause uneven extraction. Use right amonut of coffee (I use exactly 18g in 18g VST basket) and check that the screw only lightly touches the coffe and is not pressed deep into it which would cause cracking. 3. This machine has very significant temperature difference between lower and higher thermostat settings. Always flush some water before brewing espresso. Flush until heating indicator comes on (I use the water to clean the head when doing multiple shots and to heat my cup) and once the light turns on you can start grinding coffee. You should be able to finish by the time it stops heating which is best moment to start brewing. If you don't do it you will be getting inconsistent shots. If the boiler turns on while the shot is brewing (especially at the beginning) then your shot is basically ruined. 4. Do not turn on/off anything on the Rancilio while the Sette is grinding. This may interrupt grinding due to stray EMI and vibration. 5. Allow Silvia at least half an hour to preheat before brewing coffee or flush some water and give some time for the heat to distribute throughout grouphead. 6. I keep additional cup with water in it which is used to keep the wand soaked constantly. This helps preventing milk residues from building up. The wand only has a single hole which gets quickly blocked if you only operate it with steam and never allow water to flush/soak the milk residue.

[@leonardmilcin7798]

@Robert Shepherd There are couple. I actually have two versions of the grinder, the older 270W and the newer 270Wi which I bought after the previous broke (at least partly due to my fault). It seems the older unit (270W) is much more susceptible but the new one also shows the same effects, just more rarely. When the grinder is turned off completely it can activate itself when you operate Silvia (start, stop pump or use 3-way valve). When the grinder is grinding, the grinding is going to be interrupted when you start/stop grinding. This might be due to vibration, not just EMI. The grinder's scale is *extremely* sensitive to be able to stop grinding at exactly right time so that's not necessarily a fault in the grinder. When the grinder is turned on (whether grinding or not) operating the Silvia can cause an error in the grinder and at least some times I had the error persist through restarts. In general I put my routine so that I do not operate Silvia while the grinding. For example, for temperature surfing I need to flush water for Silvia to start heating up. I first flush water and once it indicates it started heating up water I turn pump off and only then start grinding.

[@MrArdytube]

Robert Shepherd Emi refers to electro magnetic interference (I think) IMO this is not an issue

[@leonardmilcin7798]

@@MrArdytube Well. I do electronics engineering and own an electronics lab but what would I know about these things?

[@MrArdytube]

Lots of good points I think probable most people do not entirely understand the temperature surfing issue, so I will give my understanding As you said, there is a very wide temperature range between when it is hot enough for boiler to turn off (about 215) vs low temp for boiler to turn back on and reheat (about 180) And even when the boiler comes back on... it takes some time to heat up... like a toaster Moreover, if you start brewing as the heater comes on.... you will be adding cold water to the small boiler which will further drop the temp! And, for that matter, any time that you start extraction with the heater off.,. The cold water added from the reservoir will make brew temp unstable So, ideally, what you want is to start brewing at about 210 with the heating element already activated This way.... the new water from brewing will drop boiler temp to about 205..., and depending upon correct grind, further extraction will drop boiler temp to below 200 So how to do this? 1. Wait for boiler to cycle off. Boiler temp is now at 215-220 Immediately switch in steam switch which will keep the heating element on Flush one empty shot.... 3-4 seconds, this will add cold water and bring boiler to 210 Put in porta filter and start extraction This will immediately drop boiler temp to 205 I usually do a pre infusion where I switch off brew switch after 3 seconds Wait 3 second, then brew Anyway, those are my thoughts

[@MrArdytube]

Leonard Milcin I would be happy to learn... what is the impact that you refer to? Emi usually refers to strong pulses of radio waves like from a nuke I personally cannot imagine how these radio waves from the grinder could impact either the pump or the heating element of Sylvia But would like to learn

[@Dreyno]

Now that’s a great review. All the info needed, no waffle and no criticising just for the sake of it.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks David!

[@justcheckusout]

Hi David, nice to meet you, I’m David Mc

[@Dreyno]

David McReynolds Reynolds in Irish is MacRaghnaill. So it’s the same name. Hi 👋

[@justcheckusout]

David Reynolds I know! Also Irish! from Tyrone

[@Dreyno]

David McReynolds Just down the road in Sligo 👋

[@ckarcher]

Amazing machine, I have mine for over 19 years now. Very minor servicing over the years and only did some upgrades (V3 steam wand and portafilter) My workflow is reverse, first the espresso and whilst the machine heats up to steam, I pour the milk in the jug. I then pump water through the wand until there is no more steam. I descale and backflush (with a metal blind filter) every 4-6 months and a rubber gasket change every 12 months or so.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Great info! Thanks for sharing

[@afromaximus]

I've got a V1 with and PID and I use the same methods as you describe. Works great.

[@jarryjayo]

Same story here, I've had the V1 for about 20 years now with the rocky grinder. I replaced the steam wand with the portafilter. had serviced maybe two times in those 20 years but I've never owned a appliance that has lasted this long and I can still get parts for it btw. I would buy this machine in a heart beat again, mind you it's gone up in price since I got it in 2000. I paid 550 Canadian and now they sell for around a 1000 dollars.

[@lukas7863]

I don't get it. In every Silvia tutorial, people first steam milk and then complain about the water being too hot to pull shots. Why not do it the other way around, like you? Is there a reason for this?

[@ckarcher]

@@lukas7863 It never made sense to me. Having the espresso sitting in a hot cup for a minute until the milk is ready is not a problem, whereas the milk and froth would separate in the time it takes to cool down the machine, grind the coffee and run the espresso.

[@CoffeeChannel]

I have a Rancillo Silvia V1, yes that right V1. I got it about twenty years ago and still running strong. Only think I have replaced is the portafilter seal.

[@jonahmurphy6378]

Got to love longevity

[@slukas1375]

Wow. A testament to why spending more up front usually pays off down the road. Not the least expensive machine out there, however, quality often does go hand in hand with price. You've saved money over many years with a good, upfront investment. Good job on you for taking good care of it all this time.

[@ericw4377]

I think this is the best review of the Rancilio I've seen...and there have been many over the years. Thank you!

[@DCLayclerk]

Thank you for a great and informative video. I’m considering getting one of these machines soon. One thing is, and I guess I’m in the minority here, but I never never never steam the milk first. I always pull a double shot, and then steam the milk after. So I guess I never have the problem of having to wait for the boiler to cool down.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

That’s actually a really smart way to approach it! It’s all about finding the best method for your needs.

[@jenniferpepler5843]

I purchased the Ranchilio Silvia Espresso machine and have used it for about 6-7 years. It is by far the best one on the market for use in the home! You will not find another machine that works as great for the price! Thanks for the info on it!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I totally agree!

[@RayHarrison1978]

Brilliant little machine . I have had mine for 7 years without any servicing and it still runs perfect. Making around 3 coffees everyday. Maybe now it’s time to get it serviced with some v6 upgrades if possible. Would definitely buy again.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Great to hear!

[@mikeboudrie6585]

Mine is still going strong 12 years in. V3. Awesome machine for making a few coffees a day.

[@mikeboudrie6585]

Yep and agree other comment with the coffee brew first followed by steaming the milk.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Right on

[@pumpkineater23]

I’ve had a Silvia for many years. It’s a lovely solid machine especially the portafilter. It’s great that this new model has a different material/finish for the area above where the portafilter goes in. The silvery finish is falling off on my machine, I assume the new black material doesn’t do this. The only other fault is the rust under the drip tray, hopefully they have addressed this as it was a very common problem. I wouldn’t need the auto-switch off option because I use Hive, a smart plug and an echo dot with mine which works so well. I just ask Alexa ‘switch on coffee machine’ and it switches on and reminds me that it’s ready 15 mins later. Also use the smart plug timer which switches the machine on for early morning work days.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yeah there are many more stainless steel parts and those cosmetic issues are all being fixed on the newer versions 👍 Glad you enjoyed your Silvia for so long

[@benjamincox5958]

I have a V3 Silvia and had the same issue as you with it rusting - i took it apart last week and took the base to a alloy wheel repair shop - they sand blasted it and powder coated it in Mercedes AMG Grey - looks better than it did when I unboxed it new! You can buy replacement group head shrouds online and its an easy job to replace :) I love how serviceable the Silvia is! mine is 8 years old and I'm sure i'll be using it in 20 years time!

[@jgates6586]

pumpkineater23 I just replaced my V2 group head cover (peeling chrome) with a new black one. the black group head cover is solid black material so there is nothing to peel.

[@slukas1375]

Great overview and demo. Clear, concise and to the point. Well done.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@MAGRIPPA1]

The rancilio silvia is a very strong espresso maker. At the beginning I had problems to get a decent shot , but afterwards has been a joy to use. I recommend to use a decent grinder , I have a Rocky , otherwise you’re going to have problems getting a good shot. After 11 years with 0 problems , I’m very impressed with the material and simple and ageless design. Good video...thank you.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks so much for sharing!

[@Ry_Rides]

With boilergate going on with the gcp I have turned my attention to this unit instead!

[@AZyzk]

As always an amazing review. Thank you!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You're welcome 😀

[@ahall3823]

I have the V3 model which would be about 10 years old. Never needed any servicing except for a change of valve and group head seals. I only de-scale once a year and don’t have any problems with corrosion. Great machine for small volumes of coffee.

[@pascalsimonskoufos8066]

just bought this one (still on its way / black edition) cannot wait, great review! Thanks

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Beautiful! ⚫

[@stephenchan6887]

Thanks for the run through. Just ordered one from you guys yesterday can't wait to use it!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Awesome! Thank you! Hope you enjoy it 😀

[@theclaverman]

I had a rancilia V3 (and a rocky grinder)but sold it as it was just a mess to use, and it was very difficult to get a concictent shot (I almost think a PID should be mandatory on these machines). If I ever get an espresso-machine again it`s definitely going to be a dual boiler.

[@tonytotters]

I used to own the Silvia V4 which I bought from AB. My love for brewing coffee only grew from there, I installed my own PID, serviced boiler elements and switches, super easy! I moved onto an ECM Synchronika for workflow but quite certain I can make coffee just as good on the Silvia (a scale is a must-have).

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for sharing!

[@billinrio]

I've had my Silvia V5 for several years. During that time I've installed a PID, which is a major upgrade. Nice to see that the V6 comes with a decent tamper and nice baskets. BUT .... the big PROBLEM with the design continues to be the laughingly small drip tray. My solution for this is to find a rectangular Tupperware container of the same size and about 2-3" high. and place it on top of the perforated tray cover. This way, all messes are easy to clean, you can rinse the portafilter from the head without concern, and the wimpy metal drip tray will only accumulate very small amounts of water with each pull. Just check it once in a while.

[@MrDschaen]

Very dedicated to coffee - that aeropress tattoo looks spectacular! Very nice and honest review, easy to follow - thanks a lot and stay safe in these times!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for watching! Will do, you too.

[@Douglaxcafearabica]

Excellent explanation!!!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you liked it 🫶

[@kellyclarkson2439]

Thanks for this review. You just saved me $$

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Right on 😀

[@craigb2697]

Great video, I have this exact model. I would say though that I can’t fit 16g in the double basket without the screw impacting the puck. I’m at 14.5g maximum with a Niche grinder. Best upgrade I made was getting the bottomless portafilter with the triple basket.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for that Graig - that's strange because I thought the exact opposite - the baskets are rated for 16g but I found you could easily tamp in 18g as a minimum - I found 16g to be too little coffee in the basket. The coffee would be only just off the shower screen - you could remove it dry and there'd be no indentation - but wet, it does mess up the screen a little more.

[@S1ipperyJim]

@Golden Calf 7g a shot is the italian official standard for espresso

[@acir]

Golden Calf oh I have the exact issue. Could you please share where you bought those basket replacements?

[@acir]

Golden Calf Thank you! I will check it so hope I won’t have to take double every time

[@acir]

@Golden Calf Thank you~ Do you know whether "La Marzocco Bottomless Portafilter" fit the Silvia or not?

[@spitfireqg]

The new Gaggia Classic pro is cheaper in my country, im not sure which one to go for. I'll probably make a coffee just once in the morning and every now and then do a couple drinks in the evening for other people, but nothing major. So the wait time between pulling a shot and going to milk isnt gonna be that much of an issue. I really just need something well priced and reliable, Im waying in on going Gaggia classic pro but silvia definitely has people moved by how long their past machines have lasted. Man its difficult to choose!

[@arodude2591]

Ohh so the v6 has 16g basket? Good to know. I couldn’t tell by the markings on the basket, I saw another review that said it was 14g

[@AlternativeBrewing]

That is correct. It's like a 14-16g basket. Still far short of my preferred dose of 18-20g.

[@briandelany7018]

I've watched a LOT of espresso and grinder reviews. This is excellent. I've a V4. Comments below about the ideal workflow are interesting.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks! Some of the comments are as helpful as the video ! 😀

[@kevinwhittle4113]

I have the v5 which is still going strong after 5yr. Shame the v6 is not all stainless steel. I thought that would be the first thing they would have upgraded? The non-stainless components of the chassis tend to rust badly.

[@dsmpampis]

Great review! I was about to buy the Rancilio but I ended up buying the Rocket Appartamento. It is much more convenient to have a heat exchange machine...

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks 😀 I agree. Single Boiler 👉 Heat Exchanger 👉 Dual Boiler 👉 Pressure Profiling!!

[@matthewwilliams3036]

I have the bialetti two cup espresso. But love this machine. Is it expensive?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

not at all

[@lizdc1]

My Silvia is 10 years old going strong

[@lama8198]

What is your daily/weekly/monthly cleaning routine. Cannot believe that one has to backwash daily - especially if only making 3-4 lattes.

[@MrArdytube]

FWIW The middle switch turns on pump directed to the wand with out heat The bottom switch turns on heat for steaming without pump You should always use middle switch after steaming to flush the wand and refill boiler

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks so much! 👍

[@MrArdytube]

Alternative Brewing Btw, the steam switch heats the boiler to about 300 degrees before turning off. This is hotter than most steam boilers that go to about 270

[@billinrio]

I've always been concerned about the boiler being empty after I've used the steam function. Great to know the correct sequence. Thanks!

[@shauninguanzo1932]

Where it began for many espresso addicts... however, the ECM Casa is superior. Much more stable and consistent, and a better and more sturdy design. Highly recommended for single boiler lovers

[@alcapone2029]

нашел что сравнить, жопу с пальцем…. Там ценник 2000 $ а у сильвии 1000

[@liiich6175]

I have a v3, I insulated the boiler and sound dampened the vibration motor....does the V6 improve the noise from the v3. Because it was way too noisy before I sound dampened it. And can't imagine storing cups on-top they would just rattle endlessly. Also I brew first then do the milk. I'll try your tip on milk first. I wait 1:40 from them the light turns off and it works for me and my insulated boiler mod then place the cup on the top of the machine to keep warm while my milk steaming happens

[@AlternativeBrewing]

The Vibration is something to get used to. Having no experience with the V3, I was a little shocked at the noise produced when using the V6 - but I guess you soon get used to it - in favour of drinking that delicious coffee 😀

[@kotomorfey]

Hi, friend! in version 6, the brew group screw protrudes very strongly. it prevents a good pill from forming. because of it it is impossible to tighten the horn well into place. coffee 16 grams practically does not fit because of the screw. and less than 15 grams creates porridge in the basket. Probably there is only one way out: throw away the screw and replace it with another screw with a flat head?

[@Thorandor]

Thank you for the review - can I just ask, would it be possible to fit a standard sized mug under the machine as opposed to (smaller) cups?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You're welcome! Yes you could - you'd just have to angle it in under the spouts and then wouldn't be able to see the espresso coming out - so to speak - but I could fit a regular size mug in here yes

[@jashandeep5877]

Do I need to change porta filter to get better shot or the already provided filters are okay to go with? Cuz I’m getting very watery espresso and not a thicker one

[@AlternativeBrewing]

You're best to go with a VST 18g basket for a full double espresso shot. You won't fit a regular 20g basket in the Rancilio portafilter... but an 18g VST basket hold 20g pretty ok...

[@antic4312]

Awesome review! Still wish they included a pdi display with this machine, or alternatively, that the machine was a little cheaper. Though it looks like the steaming power does come through!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Great point! Yeah the Steam is out of control powerful from just opening the nozzle initially. You do want to purge a good amount out and then it would easily steam almost 1L (if you could fit this under the wand) but I found 600ml jug to be the max size and it had no troubles steaming this. 1 thing I would like is more holes in the steam tip though! The Dual Boiler PID, Rancilio Silvia Pro will be making its debut soon enough, stay tuned for that one!

[@mikeboudrie6585]

You can buy an aftermarket PID, just google it.

[@mikekrebs5598]

Looks like Rancilio is releasing a 'pro' version this year that will include a PID, but it will be about twice the price as the regular machine, so still cheaper to just order the standard aftermarket PID kit online.

[@MCDreng]

@@mikekrebs5598 pro also is double boilers but I drink mostly Americano and straight espresso so I don't need one.

[@89nano]

Awesome review! I have a question though, Is it ok to backflush after every use without any cleaner like Cafiza? How often should I use Cafiza?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes you can! This is a great practice to get into - and will still do a world of good for the group head, shower screen and seals. Use Cafiza, at best at the end of the days use - a very very small amount will be okay. Or moderately periodic - like every two-three days and use a little bit more 👍

[@89nano]

@@AlternativeBrewing Awesome, thank you very much!

[@naduongruto]

Thanks for the review and as much, general usage tips and explanation

[@AlternativeBrewing]

My pleasure!

[@mmiyahki]

Damn hardware unboxed changed a lot.

[@su_andi]

Thanks for the informative video on the V6! Would it be too long of a wait to pull the shot first, then flip the steam switch? How long does it take to be ready to steam after pulling a shot? Thank you

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes I found it to be too long to brew first. bc. you then add fresh water in to the boiler that has to increase to a great temperature, whereas by decreasing the temperature from the steaming you can speed this process up quite quickly by juts adding additional cooler water to the boiler - and then the water only has to reach 94ºc, not 120ºc.

[@averageyoutuber9967]

Is this coffee machine better then Lelit Anita 42 TEMD ?

[@MrSharma786]

Hello Thanks for the review. How long do I need to heat it up for a daily routine, before I pull my shots? I have read all sorts of answers online but I'm still confused. Thanks in advance.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

no more than 10mins it's ready to go. Use the Orange Light as an indicator - once it turns off, the boiler has reached temperature.

[@MrSharma786]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks so much for getting back to me. I'm still confused because some people have told me it's 15 mins, some have said it's 30mins and some even claim it is at its best temperature after 45mins.

[@ivarsvensen1228]

@@MrSharma786 Hi. I have a V2 and it has no insulation so it takes longer to heat up than 15 minutes for sure, especially on cold mornings, but with the insulation and in a warmer room I can believe that 15 minutes is doable. I can also make mine hot enough by keep flushing water until the boiler comes on a few times. Or heating it up to steam temp and flushing. However, if the boiler is hot, but the rest of the machine is cool you can get some inconsistency and it may affect your shots. Thus, just going by the Orange light is not a good indicator when first starting up, and why I mentioned the flushing water to re-engage the boiler. All these variables probably play into why you see different recommendations. I think you're generally good with 25-35 minutes, but you may find your later shots are better. I will also say it uses very little power when just idling, I put a meter on it for a while and eventually just stopped as it wasn't using enough power to worry about. So I have a smart plug timer that I have set to come on at 4:30am (I have a small child who gets up around 5) and then turns off at 12pm. Beware though, that if you leave the machine on, but off at the plug, you don't have the coffee brew switch accidentally engaged, as my sister-in-law got to experience when water came dripping through the ceiling at 5am one morning...

[@MrSharma786]

@@ivarsvensen1228 thank you very much. I truly appreciate that feedback.

[@jm7720]

Hows this compare to the Lelit anna 2?

[@TheOneAndOnlyJDB]

When you use the back flush feature after each use, do you combine that with an espresso cleaning tablet? Or do you just use water

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Use water between shots - you wouldn't necessarily need to do this with the back flush feature than ... but when do a full backflush at the end of the day - use a cleaning tablet 👌

[@einzuwasu5563]

Great review, ty

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for watching!

[@morning91]

My biggest gripe is the massive hex head screw that punches into your coffee unless you dose perfectly. There are flat screen kits from overseas but they don't seem available in Australia... Any chance you guys could supply these?

[@dickmurphy4578]

Flat screen kit was a good thing. Not sure about Australia supply, but it does clean up the coffee puck.

[@enduraww]

Very nice review. Compared to flair, which makes better espresso in your opinion? 🤔

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Good question! I would say this machine does a better job at consistently great espresso given it has the ability to pump at a consistent pressure. I've had Flair Espresso shots as good as any espresso machine but it's not the same shot everytime time so to speak

[@enduraww]

@@AlternativeBrewing i have also the flair and i was thinking if it was an upgrade or not, a Silvia with pid compare to the flair with pressure profiling.

[@steveevans8506]

Hi I have been using my old v1/v2 (not sure which now I have updated the group head and steam wand more than once) for at least 13yrs with only minor issues such as after about 10yrs of constant use the copper steam pipe finally cracked after all the wear from the steam tap (easy diy replacement). I was wandering if the V6 has finally solved the issue with the thermostat, I fitted a PID controller early on as the original thermostat was keeping the temp in a range of between 5 to 10 decrees, not ideal for follow on coffee, also really bad idea if you are steaming first. I also find that the more accurate thermostat keeps to within a decree of the set temp and gives a digital read out of the temp, it also makes the heat up far quicker than the standard thermostat making it quicker to heat up than to wait for it to cool down & btw rancilio can supply a blind filter I have 2.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks Steve! I'm not 100% sure on whether Rancilio have upgraded the thermostat from models previous to the V5.. but I'd have to say, from reports and reviews of 20min heat up times ... the V6 was ready to go in 10mins and was super fast at heating back up from shot to shot. PID will always trump this though.. it's a great addition to a fantastic single boiler 👌

[@dickmurphy4578]

@@AlternativeBrewing That may be about the new boiler with Stainless heating element. Mine is significantly faster that the old one...

[@kanga1234567]

Great review

[@MasterCamus]

If I don’t drink milk and only want expresso, can I brew the coffee without issue because the machine after turning on is on temp for coffee?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes 👍

[@boom3122]

how does this compare with the Nuova Simonelli Oscar ii? Obviously one is a heat exchange the other a single boiler but does that impact the workflow that much? how about the steaming power and build quality?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

The Oscar II is much more powerful and has a smoother quicker work flow being you don't have to wait in between for boiler to either increase or decrease in temp. Build quality and performance would be similar across these two although the HX will have a higher consistency of maintaining the correct heat.

[@gingerlyindian]

Great review, thanks for all the information. A question I had is Can you use aftermarket naked portafilter handles/baskets with this machine??

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes 100% you can.

[@NE110M]

Great review, great notes. Question, how is it compared to Lelit PL041EM ? i was a barista, and kind of picky with my espresso.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks Michael! I haven't any experience with the Lelit PL041EM. On paper it appears to be a little bigere in capacity - although sharing a similar power rating. Drawbacks for an espresso head like myself is the different tamp size, at 57mm vs standard 58mm. This prevents you from buying upgraded filter baskets, portafilters and other third party components to enhance your brewing pleasure. Stock standard and I'd suggest the Lelit may offer a slight advantage with brewing espresso - given the pressure gauge and adjustable OPV.

[@NE110M]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you :) .. again, great notes 😁..

[@reyjalrahman3130]

Good review.. is this machine fit for a small cafe?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

No not at all. Too slow bewteen milk and coffee

[@reyjalrahman3130]

thanks, appreciate that.. what would you suggest suitable machine for small cafe?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

an Expobar Megacrem or Wega Polaris are good 1gr Espresso Machines

[@reyjalrahman3130]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks men

[@hernanaracena2437]

Thank you for this, quick question What are the biggest difference between the V6 and V5 in term of the quality of the espresso? thank you

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I would honestly say, it'd be almost negligible. Rancilio haven't really changed anything that would greatly impact the quality output by the machine itself. The inclusion of a steel tamper, the upgraded s/s steam wand/tip do make a bigger difference in your capacity to make better quality drinks though.

[@hernanaracena3207]

@@AlternativeBrewing thank you so much

[@yrulooknatme]

@MontalbanJR I don't think they're actually giving it to you!

[@KrisVanspauwen]

@@AlternativeBrewing so little difference between v5 and v6, that you even named it the v5 in your review 😉 I'm still happy with the first model after I had it refurbished and changed some components (but not the boiler!). So I think what makes the Rancilio Silva the best machine for it's value is that they continue to manufacture a good and solid espresso machine. No need for any big change!

[@hernanaracena3207]

Quick question I have e V5 besides the instruction in the video should I do anything else to clean the machine after I use it? thank you

[@AlternativeBrewing]

After daily use I could recommend other regular cleaning too - to ensure you keep the Silvia in great shape - Wipe down the outside of the machine, rinse filters and the portafilter using hot water and a cloth or sponge. It is very important to clean the steam wand with a damp cloth or sponge after each use, as well as discharging any milk residue from the wand by opening the steam tap briefly, then closing again. After a period of intensive machine use, immerse filters and the portafilter in boiling water for a few minutes to allow the coffee grease to dissolve, then remove using a sponge or a cloth. And use a special espresso machine-cleaning product - like Cafetto EVO - Carefully following the instructions on the cleaning products’ packaging.. Clean water tank carefully and wipe down the water tube to. Ohh yeah - don't forget to empty the drip tray too 😀

[@hernanaracena3207]

@@AlternativeBrewing thank you so much!!! Today was my first time making a espresso with my v5. I still have a lot to learn and you have been really helpful!!!!

[@dickmurphy4578]

@@AlternativeBrewing I also make sure that water, not steam, runs from the wand after cooling, ensuring the boiler is full of water and not overheating the element in steamy air.

[@lama8198]

​@@AlternativeBrewing Is it really neccesary to backwash daily - especially if only making 3-4 lattes.

[@stevieg7403]

Excellent review!!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you liked it!

[@orrinbelcher6593]

Great video fun and informative thank you

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@blizzbee]

3:13 Plastic: No!!! I won't go anywhere.

[@senseidekkers5618]

How much am I sacrificing getting this one and not the one with the pid?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Consistency is a hard one to sacrifice, it’s if you’re drinking black coffee you notice the difference more again. Milk coffee they’re be some difference, but marginally

[@senseidekkers5618]

@@AlternativeBrewing I’m trying to upgrade from a stillosa with a bottomless Porta filter upgrade to something that’s more of an end game machine. Would the pro x be something long term that’s worth it over this one?

[@tomleadbitter7165]

About to get my first home coffee machine, and I'm really drawn to this. Great review. However, the the wait for the boiler to cool down - while the milk is doing the same - is a bit of a deal breaker for me, I think. Any thoughts would be appreciated, thanks.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

It's something you get used to - it's not a major hassle if you're only making a few drinks at a time, being a single boiler - most of them have this similar routine. For a few extra hundred dollars you can get a Heat Exchanger that essentially does this for you, so you can rely on steady temps at both brew head and steam wand.

[@vlatkomafija]

Make coffee first?

[@TanBoonCheong1]

Considering to get this machine, can you pull the espresso shot first instead of steaming the milk?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

100% yes. Something that I could of added to the video is the fact the small boiler is really easy to either: A) Heat up form Espresso Temp the Steam Temp B) Be flushed with Cooler water from the Water Tank and drop temp quickly again to brewing temps.

[@TanBoonCheong1]

Thank you for the reply. Sorry I don’t quite understand the point A. Would be great if you could further explain :)

[@dawidp3547]

hello all, a short question to more experienced with Silvia...how much coffee you normally use in the standard 2cup basket they have? and second regarding the grinding...I have a Barazza Encore grinder, any suggestion on the grinding settings (for now I use 8 as per instruction but it's a bit muddy and low crema). thanks for your help!

[@AlternativeBrewing]

hi there, I would say an average dose is 14g being standard unless you have the more recent V6 model Silvia and 16g is possible in the newer baskets. The Encore, is a filter grinder predominantly. So you will have exactly the results you've mentioned with this grinder and it will be more difficult to get crema and a slower extraction as the Encore can only grind so fine. Now - you can place shims in the Encore to help if grind finer - search placing 'shims' in your Encore and it will guide you through making the Encore grind a little finer. Hopefully this gets some better results for you 👍

[@De132an]

Do you recommend leaving this machine on all day if home and like pulling shots throughout the day? Or is it recommended to only turn on prior to pulling?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I recommended to turn on prior to making the coffee. If you're using filtered water it's not going to be a huge issue - but having water heated than cooling in the boiler with limited use over an extended period of time day in day out could lead to scale issues. Having the water cool all the way down once the machine is turned off reduces scaling as opposed to leaving the boiler on all day 👍

[@De132an]

Alternative Brewing , so would you say about 30 minutes prior to pulling a shot is enough time to get the machine up to temperature?

[@konstantinosvakouftsis4086]

Hello, why does my tamper from V6 version has a black thing around the bottom of the tamper? Is that removable?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Sorry I can not picture what you're talking about. Is it a Pullman Big Step Tamp you have? or a regular Rancilio Tamp?

[@-ThisIsTheWay-]

nice video. I bet you could sell a wooden nickel also. I have a breville and I am pleased with it. the only thing is I can't find steam wand parts. the seals go bad on em. I am leaning to this rancillio because it has withstood the test of time. all the models look the same. I suppose if the design is not broke then don't fix it hahah.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Good point! and 100% true. They're great machine to use and make delicious coffee

[@adiham69]

What is the steaming pressure difference between the Silvia to the gaggia classic pro ?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

it's pretty close - so the Rancilio will have less power but can go for awhile whereas the Gaggia will have more power but will need to re-heat more often. - So it depends on the volume you're trying to make

[@pme77713]

Does this comes with non pressurize commercial baskets?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes! Rancilio no longer add the pressurised basket in the box 👍

[@georgekomninos9227]

I just purchased a Silvia machine and I am about to start experimenting. Do I need to follow temperature surfing techniques just for brewing espresso? Then warming up the machine for half an hour (as suggested below) won’t get me to the 30min of inactivity (I own the e model) and eventually the machine turning off?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Ye sit will turn off if you leave it too long. I'd suggest placing a 20min alarm on it so you come back in time. Temperature surfacing can make a big difference to how the espresso brews - Too hot and it can possibly burn the coffee - it's unlikely it will be too cold generally speaking, so if drinking straight espresso or long blacks I'd say it's worth the investment in time to temp surf - but if it's a Milk coffee you may want to 50/50 the temp surf - in a way hat's not too time consuming but still getting a good result. There's load of info out there on how to 'ride' the temperature band on the Rancilio Silvia - give it a go and after awhile I'd imagine it may even become second nature, and in that case, won't be such a time absorbing practice 😀

[@lifethroughoptics]

Thanks for all of the great information! Really informative video. I'm currently comparing one of these with the Breville Dual Boiler. I've been a barista for 6 years and I feel like the Breville won't give me the commercial machine experience at home, but it also can't be beat for features at that price... I would love to hear of any advice you may have for me. Many Thanks

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Glad it was helpful! I totally understand. That depends on how much you want to take your work back home 😂 If you're looking to really dial in espresso and explore flavour extractions e.t.c the Rancilio or a machine around the same price as the Breville will do a very good job of making great espresso - and they're built with standard commercial parts so you can always upgrade to better accessories and parts and have it serviced to keep performing well, with a majority parts being readily available. As well, these espresso machine have a very good re-sale value when you want a better machine. Regarding Espresso Appliances, - specifically the one you've mentioned - they are great especially on auto mode, where it will literally do everything for you - takes the fun out of it - but a least you get your coffee quickly 😀 .. so long as you're using good coffee beans you'll get a great coffee from these types of machines - the espresso is superior on the Commercial style machine though - and then it really comes down to serviceability, upgrades and re-sale value.

[@ChrisH133878]

I totally agree. I have had a Rancilio Sylvia V3 for ten years and use a Macap M5 (to provide the fine grind the Sylvia needs). It has only needed to be serviced once. I have friends who have turned over two domestic espresso machines in that time. I expect to be able to make the coffee I want at home to the standard of a skilled barista in a good espresso bar. The Sylvia and Macap offer me that.

[@antonstokes]

Hi, thanks for the useful video. I’ve had a Silvia V5 for a while but only really got into improving my coffee making the last couple of months of working from home. I can get a coffee from it that I like so it’s not a problem but it pours much faster than the 25-30 seconds people talk about a good espresso pour taking in various KZbin videos. I brew a 14g double shot and it takes less than 15 seconds to pour. I’ve dialled in my grind to a level where 1 step finer tastes over-extracted but still pours as quickly. Another step finer from that and the water can’t get through the puck at all. Is the importance of the longer pour time a myth or is there something I might be doing wrong with my process? Thanks if you have time to answer and I totally understand if not.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Hi Anton - thanks for watching the video and glad you found it useful 👍 First up - I believe the issue may lie in the grinder unable to adjust in very small increments that helps you achieve the brew time you're after. The better espresso grinders allow you to make such small adjustments you can methodically lengthen your espresso shot 1sec at a time - until you reach an appropriate shot length - than adjust by taste. There's no myth to it - The length of time an espresso shot brews is related to the ideal extraction of the grounds in the portafilter. You should be aiming for around 1.3-1.5g of espresso per second of brew time. If you have more grounds in your portafilter, you can expect it to take more time to reach an ideal extraction; and the opposite is true as well. Most of the professional baskets used in cafes - and most likely the videos you've watched, use 18-20g baskets. They'll brew an espresso thats twice the grams of ground coffee used - so anywhere between 36 - 40g espresso shots. This is where we end up brewing an espresso around the 30 second mark. In your instance, brewing with 14g of coffee - you want be aiming to brew a 28 - 30g espresso between 20-23secs. If your grinder won't adjust in a way you can achieve the time needed - as you've said it won't go any finer - the solution is either increasing the coffee used in the basket - try using 15 or 15.5g in the basket with the current grind size you have it on... or grind to that 1 step finer and adjust the dose down to 13.5g. Either way - you want to get a brew ratio of 1:2. And you could purchase a bigger espresso basket - say around the 16g mark that will allow you to pull espresso between 34 - 36g yield. Hope this helps Let me know how you go!

[@antonstokes]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks. I've only had a couple of days trying different grinds and quantities, but I'm amazed by how much difference to pour time and taste even a 1g difference in coffee makes, and I've got great results with 13g on the finest grind. Cheers!

[@swingmanic]

Does this machine have a viewable water level from the front or side and how does it stack up against a Gaggia Classic Pro?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

it odes not have this no, nor and sensor for low water sadly. The Gaggia Classic Pro has a few extra user friendly mods but ultimately the Rancilio wins on durability, power, performance and resale, if only slightly, I think it's worth the extra value if you have the space.

[@dickmurphy4578]

@@AlternativeBrewing Probably the biggest defect is lack of water level indicator. There are a few jerry-rigged fittings on line, but nothing I decided to install. Just add the water level item to your checklist.

[@madik0]

How long does it take to heat up the boiler to espresso brewing temperature?

[@antic4312]

I think it’s about 10 minutes iirc.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

I was honestly very surprised at how little time it took to heat up from cold.. I've read and heard reviews of 20mins+ , but my experiences were no where near this long a wait. All of the times were under 12mins heating up. There was a little more time waiting (than I prefer to leave my espresso) if I brewed coffee 1st than wanted to steam milk... so I'd recommend steaming the milk first 👍

[@myshengwei]

just curious.. a machine like this can it pull similar espresso like the LaMarzocco Linia mini' shot?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Hi Matthew, yes it could pull an espresso as good as an LM. In many ways you'll have a more of a chance with the LM as it is a Dual Boiler with PID - but Rancilio just brought out their own DB with PID here 👉 alternativebrewing.com.au/product/rancilio-silvia-pro-coffee-machine/

[@langzhi1873]

Great review, thanks. During the work flow at the stage of purging the steam wand and letting water out, should I keep doing that until the boiler light comes back on? I’ve seen other reviewers do that to ensure the boiler is refilled, but not sure if that’s necessary, hope you would have the answer.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes, absolutely - this will signify that the boiler has indeed dropped temperature to below that of steaming and even brewing - and then it will begin to heat back up to the hottest of the brewing pre-set around 96ºc. That's why it is good practice to purge some water out and also wait another 30 seconds or so after the light has gone out so you're not brewing with water that's too hot to start with 👍

[@langzhi1873]

@@AlternativeBrewing thanks!

[@dameedna]

Hi, is the steam wand on a ball joint? Thanks

[@AlternativeBrewing]

yes it is 👍

[@ankursinghchauhan5588]

Sir can i use this machine for a small cafe ?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

No , not really. You'd want the dual boiler at most. THis is only a single boiler machine.

[@ankursinghchauhan5588]

@@AlternativeBrewing but sir iam just starting up, first i have to check that people are really need coffee at that place or not. So then ill go for a commercial machine. After pressure build up how much time the machine will take to make espresso, and how much time the machine can make another espresso?

[@topersitoples]

I've been using Silvia for 3 years now (bought it secondhand from a mate), and he gave me standard 58mm tamper to go with it. I found the tamper to work okay, but most of the time it leaves some grounds around the rim, due to the tamper loose size, my question is, what's the exact tamper size to work with? 58.3 or 58.5 maybe? Thanks

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Very nice! 58.4 is optimal 👌 you could go 58.5, and you'd think 0.1mm couldn't make a huge difference but it can make things more difficult and some baskets it won't fit into whereas the 58.4mm is a more standard, ideal size across a majority of "58mm" baskets.

[@mattspangler7358]

We bought our first Silvia back in Summer of 2003. We decided to replace it last Spring of 2023 ... 20 years of being the best appliance I have ever owned. The new v6, is great when you can manage to surf and get the temp right. Never in my life, have I had to work so hard, to get an appliance to work as advertised. This is a BIG reason people opt for the PID. That is the big weak point of the new Silvia and IMHO, they should just drop the base model. Ask yourself why they added a PID? Simple. They know it's a weak link. My problem is spending $800 on a machine that needs another $200-250 to make it work well. I was not able to return the machine and now I will wait until I feel I can stomach the loss to resell private party. I expect that to be at least a $200 loss. There are better machines at this price point, and up to $150 more. That is less than adding a PID and it will give you a better espresso experience. I'm willing to bet that Rancilio will drop the base model within the next two years. This is a common pain point.

[@krishnadas6250]

Is it really necessary to get a PID for this ? I'm an espresso newbie and this will be my first real machine.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

not necessary no, you'll discover over time what you like and how best to use the machine - this is always the great thing about the Silvia - you can grow with it. Once you begin exploring and identifying flavours due to the temperature fluctuations - than you can decide if it's worth it or not 👌 The one thing I would recommend is always giving the group head a quick flush before placing the portafilter in, to remove any over-heated water

[@juts89]

Why did water start leaking out of the portafilter when you turned off the steam?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

that honestly would of been water just sitting in the portafilter basket after I'd made a few shots prior to taking the B'roll.

[@riccardocastellana8096]

Excellent Video

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Thanks for the visit

[@sandeepSingh-qj7dy]

Sir Can i use it in my cafe shop...nd what is the capacity (cups per day)?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

No this is a home espresso machine. 2-3kg a week max using this machine.

[@user-dg4tn8mz5r]

Is it ok to backflush wihtout detergent?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

yes 100% 👌 I would use the chemical periodically ..

[@kellyclarkson2439]

Do I understand correctly it takes 10 mins to heat up?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes - eight minimum - 10-15 is ideal.

[@kiliane.3266]

What's weird, on 3:56 you show the new nozzle - but on almost all images (including the original vom rancilio on their website) i just see the old nozzle

[@user-gt5sz8yf6f]

Because Rancilio provided the wrong images even from their websites and marketing materials, and sellers all source their photos from the official. V6 does have the new nozzle, the same on Silvia Pro.

[@user-gt5sz8yf6f]

Same but only the shape, not the hole count.

[@kiliane.3266]

@@user-gt5sz8yf6f Jeah i found it out. I got the new 2020 Version (V6) and it has the smooth nozzle. But there's not only a V6 black version but also a v5 black version (that was a limited version at this time) and that one has the old nozzle. Pretty weird thing, because also on the Pics they have the new images on the Buttons (what's different on v6 and v5) but the old nozzle :D

[@judyhill1139]

I just received my Rancilio Sylvia M V6. I don't think I missed anything when unboxing but there is no cup tray on top. Am I supposed to unscrew the top and do somthing? Or? I hope someone knows. Thanks.

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Can you just see in to the machine? - otherwise the cup tray is the metal surface on top. It's only big enough to hold perhaps 4-5 cups

[@MikeMortonTalksFootball]

Would you recommend getting it with a PED installed or not necessary?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

PID will make your work flow 110% faster. They'll be no approximating the brew boiler temperature and once you've steamed your milk, so long as you fill up the boiler again you'll be set once it hits perfect temp everytime 👌

[@dickmurphy4578]

I would recommend installing the PID yourself only if comfortable with hand tools and electric connections. Not difficult, but not a walk in the park either.

[@paulcredmond]

I guess it makes sense to wait until your warranty has expired, right? You'll void your warranty as soon as you change anything from stock.

[@Kasparovvvvv]

So how much time the milk just sits?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

no more than a minute if you're prepared

[@juliusmindoro2149]

Is this product available in the Philippines?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Hi Julius, it is coming soon. Available in 110v and 220v. just need to get the right plug for it 👌

[@bhavyeshvyas2990]

How do you rate that baratza grinder and Silvia pair ?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

They're a very good match. There's also the Rancilio Rocky Grinder that suits very well too of course. I would consider these to be my minimum setup for really good espresso

[@gerdakodak]

Is this machine suitable for 20 coffees per day?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

20-50 would be it's limit. That's spread over time too. 20-50 in one day sounds okay - but 20-50 everyday - over the course of a year and machines like this are not made to keep up with that much use - and you'll begin to see issues. Keep that in mind

[@gerdakodak]

@@AlternativeBrewing Thank you for answer, Sir.

[@OldSloGuy]

If you are in the outback and handy with tools, the Silvia is not an orphan. Spare parts are available to the user. My machine before the Silvia was a Kurig. the display screen died and the machine is un repairable. So that was 300 dollars down the tubes. For my Sylvia, i use a grocery store 5 dollar stopwatch for brew timing. It failed so I was counting "one-thousand-one, one-thousand-two..." to brew coffee until i could get to the store to buy another 5 dollar stopwatch. Even though my electronics failed, the Silvia still brewed coffee! The Silvia is built with commercial quality components but lacks the gee-whizz features of fancier machines. If you are the kind of person who stumbles around the kitchen in the morning and can;t seem to button the front of your shirt straight, then you need a fully automatic machine that does everything for you with the push of a button. However, even that is problematical if you scroll down the menu and select the wrong option. So my recommendation is Get a Silvia or go to Starbucks.

[@Koch8]

Can it steam 500mls of milk in one go?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes no problems 👌

[@rolandocalderonguerra2346]

question please in 2021 for 950 dollars is a good buy ?? can tell me what likes and what dont likes?

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Yes, it's a powerful espresso machine that'll last for many many years.

[@yousseftoutounji7699]

Hi, thanks for the review. You mentioned I need to backwash after every coffee if I do and the end of each day is that OK..? And also noticed you switched it off and on multiple times can you explain little further please. Thanks again

[@AlternativeBrewing]

thanks for watching! after every time you use it, making a few coffees - if it will then sit there not being used, I would clean water back wash the group head.. You'd want to be cleaning it with chemical at least once a week, but more can not hurt it. Sorry I'm not sure what you're referring to with 'turning the machine on and off again? - this may have been just in part to the duration of making the video...

[@apagoogoo]

you gotta switch it off to let the water down into the drain tray - the water you forced into the blind group head that has nowhere else to go.

[@JohnSmith-bn7bl]

i probably should have got the M version, in hindsight, the auto shut off is a pain.

[@dooshakhaboosha2573]

Silvia V6 E model Around $1000 in Aus Unsure which coffee grinder to go for

[@AlternativeBrewing]

Any of the Eureka Mignon line of grinders will do fantastically with the Rancilio

[@SBin-xt5kn]

I’ve had a Eureka grinder for 3 years. Zero maintenance, consistent grind.

[@HistoriaMundi98]

I was wondering if Rancilio Silvia can be used for light commercial work in a coffee shop. Probably about 40-50 cups of espresso a day, and minimum steaming. I’ll be very happy if anyone have an answer.