The Ryzen 5 8500G with 740M Graphics - This "Budget" AM5 APU Definitely Cuts Some Corners...

[@Swept69]

Finally someone doing a review on 8500G...

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Tbh I didn’t know it existed until a couple of days ago!

[@Swept69]

​@@RandomGaminginHD ohh yeah only the 8600G and the 8700G got the recognition, also can you do video on the ryzen 5 5600GT or 5500GT?

[@OfSheikah]

@@RandomGaminginHD Thanks for the vid! Your statement opens my perspective up on how much reach AMD Press Release slides has outside of market name reviewers

[@halite4116]

@@RandomGaminginHD You certainly should review 5600GT and 5500GT. I didn't see any reviews about them.

[@gabrielv.4358]

I thought AMD was skipping the 8000 series

[@TrusteftTech]

Last time I bought a desktop PC was back when I build my current PC, 2014-15, with my i7-5960X. That was the last time I thought about PCIE lanes. So when you mentioned about the limits of this CPU, it blew my mind lol. Well done.

[@baoquoc3710]

amd literally meant it like the 6500xt lmao

[@Nightykk]

To be fair though, if you're a budget gamer, then PCIe 4.0 (or more so 5.0) x8 will be absolutely plenty for whatever graphics card you're getting. As an example - difference between 3.0 x16 and 4.0 x16, with top of our current generation cards, is but a couple of fps. Half the bandwidth of the port (x8, 4.0), and throw in a mid-tier card.. won't be any issues there. Especially not at PCIe 5.0. Not to mention that some mid-tier cards comes with only x8 lanes these days, such as the 4060/Ti & RX 7600. At x8 3.0 it might start hurting though - but not really any modern systems coming out with only 3.0 support any longer. Though in general I do believe that consumer parts have way too few PCIe lanes. Would be lovely if they'd jump from the default 20-28 (depending on platform) to 32-48. I'd almost say it wouldn't matter for consumers, but, in the future of NVMe SSDs most likely entirely replacing SATA based SSDs.. we're going to need some more lanes, or at least bigger/cheaper drives. For me? I mostly just want them to add more lanes so I can re-use my hardware as server hardware after upgrading my PC. 😅

[@TrusteftTech]

@@Nightykk One of the reasons I built my PC with the 5960X. Having said that, my PC is now dead.

[@Nightykk]

@@TrusteftTech There's always threadripper 😅

[@TrusteftTech]

@@Nightykk No there isn't. :p

[@Aruneh]

Been waiting for you to review this!

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Thanks for watching :)

[@DylanWeston_]

This is a really helpful one, thanks mate

[@devil5051000]

I have the 8700G with 780M graphics. It even runs Quake II RTX with 720p and 80% scaling around 35-40 FPS. I really did not expected that from an iGPU. With AI upscaling (RSR) I can make the game run at 1440p with still playable framerates. Don´t cheap out on the memory, it needs fast DDR5 memory or the GPU part will disappoint you. Had DDR5-6000 in the beginning but that was mediocre at best. Swapped the memory against DDR5-7600 and it improved FPS so much that I now can run several games in 1080p med/high. Skyrim SE in 1080p for example improved from 38 - 40 FPS to 50+ FPS and is now perfectly playable. This is the first computer making me not miss a dedicated GPU.

[@quan-uo5ws]

bro what... my memory is 4800mhz ddr5 and i thought it was fast...

[@Marzsala]

@@quan-uo5wsthats the slowest ram you can buy

[@deyeatdapoopoo7582]

@@quan-uo5ws that is very slow for DDR5 because of the latency. The budget go to seems to be 6000MHz.

[@quan-uo5ws]

@@Marzsala yes but my previous ram was 1333mhz so this one seems fast to me

[@aleksazunjic9672]

8700G is simply not worthwhile for gamers. It is for someone who needs strong CPU and games occasionally on the side.

[@BusAlexey]

Thanks for making a review on this budget part!

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Thanks for watching!

[@Krispy416]

You should have also ran the 7500f with the bios set to only 4x on pcie that way we could see if the performance difference was just due to the faster chip or due to the lane limitations.

[@MrRagemanPL]

I'd be interested in seeing the 8300g handle some games with its 8 threads and 740M on board. Massive shame we're locked out of 780M by 8700G's ridiculous price tag. I'd happily take a 6 core (or even a 4 core/8 thread if they want to cut costs) 780M APU.

[@Deathdemon65]

The only APU that got that right was 2200G which also gave AMD trouble cause it's performance was neck on neck with 2400G

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

yeah but obviously then 8700g would get less sales. And its not that much more expensive to produce. So it wouldnt make sense from Amds perspective. 8500g is still nice, since its cheaper than 7600, almost same price as 7500f.

[@jomiplayz2765]

8500g trades better cores for graphics with the 7500f

[@rallyscoot]

Thats how AMD works, always selling the better silicon for higher prices.. That how their market works.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Thats why you have to get the BEST APU and not get a Graphics card, THEN upgrade with a decent graphics card

[@harleyn3089]

This is basically the same as the Z1, that's in the cheaper version of the Asus ROG Ally.

[@lmchua8644]

which shows how much amd is over charging for the 8700g, considering thats basically the z1 extreme. And according to the rog ally pricing the price difference to produce it is at max $100 or even lesser.

[@harleyn3089]

@@lmchua8644 I hate to say this, but that's not how chip manufacturing works. An expensive chip doesn't necessarily cost more to produce than a cheap chip, at all. An entire line of chips is made from the same or similar dies, which are cut apart and then binned into different chips. The profitability of a chip company is based on "average selling price", which is the average price of all the chips. So if they can get $1000 for the top chip and $100 for the cheapest chip, and the average of all sales comes out to $500, that's their "Average Selling Price". Then they divide their R&D and Production up to see if they made a profit. The price of things in the computer market has nothing to do with production cost, in general. It just doesn't work that way.

[@kozad86]

@@lmchua8644 The Z1 Extreme is a 30W mobile chip, the 8700G is 65W desktop chip, able to clock higher and achieve much better performance due to the added power budget. The 8500G and lower are using a hybrid CPU core setup, Zen 4 and Zen 4c. No mobile chips from AMD are using this yet. As another comment points out, the 8000G series is not just mobile Ryzen chip in AM5 packaging, there's a lot more to it than that.

[@harleyn3089]

@@kozad86 The Z1 chip (non extreme) is also 2 x "Zen4", 4 x "Zen4c". The 8500g and Z1 are both AMD Phoenix dies. They are identical chips other than the TDP they are configured at.

[@lmchua8644]

@@kozad86 Ryzen Z1 is the same silicon as 8500g, people literally delidded the cpus. its the exact same

[@shremk9100]

Can always count on you to review the stuff thats actually interesting 👍

[@BeefiusGravius]

This and the 8300G are such lil oddities that im surprised there wasnt at least a small handful of people taking a look at them. Nice lil fellas, would be nice to throw into some server work perhaps with how efficient they are.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah I’ll look at the 8300g soon too :)

[@DigitalJedi]

@@RandomGaminginHD That's going to be an interesting one. It's a 1+3 setup on the CPU side so anything that wants more than single-threaded performance is going to suffer.

[@jochenkraus7016]

Maybe most other reviewers focused on the two "big" ones because the 8600G isn't that much more expensive than 8500G. And it offers the much bigger GPU which is (for me) the point of the "G" Ryzens plus it has more lanes if a GPU is added. Afaik it has 8 lanes for a GPU slot which fits the smaller graphics cards like 6600 and 4060(Ti)

[@prathmeshpatil6425]

The lack of pci-e lanes is a real deal breaker. Not worth it. Better to stick with 7600 and used GPU like 2070/2060 supers.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah real shame about the PCIe aspect

[@AM93000]

Amd cant give u everything in one chip, they gotta make money and make ppl buy more chips

[@rallyscoot]

@@AM93000 And pushing customer to buy the more expensiver parts. Thats why the 8500G is crippled.

[@Herr.Mitternacht]

Some use cases don't need a GPU at all. We use the 8500G for Visual Stations.

[@greghomer5468]

Helpful video, thinking of getting one of these.

[@Владимир-я1з5ш]

Thank you for a pleasant to watch review. Your comments were quite handy.

[@ilnabboditurno1433]

Nice review as always RGHD! I'm looking forward for the review of the rtx 3050 6gb!

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Coming soon hopefully :) Iceberg tech has a nice review up already

[@ilnabboditurno1433]

@@RandomGaminginHD I saw that review, but mate before buying something on a budget i always come here ;)

[@Boss69292]

@@ilnabboditurno1433don’t get the Rtx 3050 6g it’s 30% slower then the 8gb variant I would buy a used card

[@ilnabboditurno1433]

@@Boss69292 i know but i got a 300w psu(silverstone sf300 sfx version) and an itx build powered by a core i3 10105. Ther's not a lot that can fit well in this build.

[@flock9615]

​@@ilnabboditurno1433RTX3050 6G even loses to GTX1650 super

[@TheProJigsaw]

This is my favourite review channel, always enjoy your content mate :) cheers

[@300maze]

would like to see more detailed tests on the Zen 4c cores alone, maybe even compared to intel CPU with E core only benchmarks

[@flock9615]

Zen4c is basically Zen4 with lower clock speed

[@sudahgilamakingila]

This AMD APU is a good choice for DIY office PCs.

[@gabrielv.4358]

Always was

[@deyeatdapoopoo7582]

I don't understand why people would want that though. At that point why not just get a cheap mini PC and hook it to the back of your monitor? If you're looking long-term this APU doesn't really leave you with an upgrade path that makes sense unless you replace it altogether which defeats the purpose. The graphics performance is only about half that of the 8600G and if you want to use a dGPU, it'll be artificially limited to 4 lanes which can affect performance especially in CPU-intensive esports games. So no matter how you look at it you're better off going with an 8600G or 7500F/7600 instead. If they hadn't cut the iGPU down so drastically compared to the 8600G it would make more sense.

[@renogunzddragon1900]

​DIY office PC..comprehension is important..office pc aint gonna be upgraded every 2 years.

[@aleksazunjic9672]

It is not. Frankly, if you want office PC go with Intel. Much worse graphical performance, but office PCs are not meant for gaming and Intel solution is cheaper.

[@istvancsap3513]

lol a twenty dollar intel celeron g5905 with a 45 dollar H470/H510 mobo is a good office PC. Not this overpriced crap.

[@ZeusTheIrritable]

Very impressive. This might be what I'll go with for the Steam Box build I'm planning.

[@abrfilho]

What about a gaming test with higher resolution? There'll be more usage of the PCIe bandwidth. And probably a card with less VRAM will have less performance when lane limited.

[@rattlehead999]

The fact that the 4CU iGPU in the 8500G gives you 50-70% the performance of the 12CU iGPU in the 8700G goes to show how bandwidth starved these iGPUs are.

[@StefKRah]

With stuff like the FSR mods and Lossless Scaling program that are available these days this could have even better fps in games OwO. I think you should try some of those with this one.

[@balaam_7087]

I like your videos. Have u ever considered doing an episode that showcases best/worst case scenarios for a given card or chip?

[@dlmunlimited]

I think the graphics performance of the 8000G processors are really impressive. The 8700G is on the same level as a GTX 1650. Beeing able to skip the graphics card (with todays prices) for "casual" gaming is a really good development IMO. Will you also test the 8300G ?

[@jackthatmonkey8994]

Current peak iGPU is 890M. That iGPU is better than RTX 1070TI!

[@DaveSpecC]

If you want a laugh I watched your 12400f video and some others one night around a month ago, and decided on a whim that it's finally time to build my first PC. No Ryzen research needed because 12400f is all I need lmao. I'm impatient so bought parts from local store who doesn't stock 12400f. 30 years of expertise, or so they kept reminding me, led them to recommend this beast of an 8500g to pair with my 7800xt, me with my zero knowledge led me to believe same cores and faster clock speed are all that mattered. Weeks later I've learned alot, like what an idiot I am for buying 8500g.. The funny thing is if I hadn't done any research, I wouldn't have noticed. It looks and runs infinitely better than a series X obviously - I'm only running 60fps 4k or 1440 for the time being which it does seem to handle great, at least to me a former console peasant anyway, and 7800x3d is straight upgrade from here so not end of the world - but do you reckon there's worthy benefit in going 7800x3d before I upgrade for 120hz display, or just wait? cheers for motivating me to finally do a build, it's addictive for sure 🤟

[@jeloneq7]

Exactly what I was looking for! TY

[@FunkyM217]

Always an Asterisk. Y'know I started out on my current rig with a 2200G, Damn fine chip, except of course that it also came with only PCIe 3.0 x8 connectivity. And the Vega 8 iGPU wasn't as powerful as even the 750ti of my previous build. Which was, to put it mildly, an embuggerance. Still, I slapped the 750ti into my new system, and it worked fine. Until about 2018, when I swapped out the 750ti for an RX570, which turboed up loud as hell. Seriously, the Noise off of this MSI Armor (MK2 I think) 570 was ATROCIOUS. Still, I eventually swapped out my 2200G for a 3600, and the 570 for a 6600, and I've been ticking along ever since. Until I need to upgrade again, of course...

[@joeykeilholz925]

I feel welcome. Much appreciated. These chips should both be discounted $50.

[@rallyscoot]

Or have to wait months to getting the price lowered if no one want to buy it for these higher ones.

[@Trick-Framed]

I specifically did not bother with this chip due to the single channel memory issue. Glad to hear that is not the case. Thank you!

[@TrusteftTech]

You don't mind about the reduced number of pcie lanes?

[@mauricus6670]

Excellent video , thanks man

[@Ash_1277]

Been waiting to see what 8500G got against 8600G for a while

[@obeyobay9146]

You should do a video comparing this with a older beginner gpu like gtx 1650 or 1660

[@Holycurative9610]

The 8500g is a far better option than some of the ebay crap they market as "gaming PC", you could set up a decent system for gaming for under £500 with this CPU.

[@Mark-hd8io]

for what it is worth, here are some of my benchmarks (DDR5-4800 CL40): 4498/691 (Cinebench R20 Multi, Single), Timespy (1831 total score,1613 Graphics,7837 CPU), whole PC 22W at idle. DDR5-7200 CL34: Timespy (2076 total, 1833 Graphics, 8400 CPU), whole PC 39W at idle

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Ah awesome, thanks :)

[@MrTomas7777]

GTX 1050 level of performance in Time Spy, interesting

[@kwerboom]

Thank you for reviewing this APU. All the review outlets I go to wouldn't even touch this low end APU and basically declared it to be trash. I agree that it is very low end and not targeted at all but the most basic of builds/systems, but that doesn't mean it should be ignored. I could see the 8500G for someone on the most nightmarishly tightest of budgets where every penny counted choosing to build around this APU on a very cheap B650 for the overclocking with the best dual channel memory kit they could afford and down the road a few years from now hitting up eBay for a used RX 6600 or RTX 3060. I could even see some one building around the 8500G just to get a cheap system off the ground with plans years later to get the Zen5 equivalent of the 8600G as a replacement during a Black Friday sale and sell the 8500G to get back some more money.

[@PAcifisti]

I don't know, If that's the amount of money you can save then it would be better to aim lower and go like 12100F and a low end GPU, or buy used. If they couldn't save up a bit more to get a better rig (like 8600G or some non-G CPU with an actual GPU) I wouldn't hold my breath for this possible future savings. Most likely they'll get stuck on spending way too much money on hyper-optimized memory and AM5 motherboard just to end up with trash FPS.

[@kwerboom]

@@PAcifisti I agree. I was just rattling off two scenarios that I could imagine for the 8500G. Honestly, the i3-12100 or going last gen AM4 with the R5 4600G would be better options than going AM5 if cash strapped.

[@aleksazunjic9672]

I doubt anyone gaming oriented would buy this CPU, because it would be cheaper to go with lets say r5 5500 , DDR4 memory and Chinese RX 580. AMD missed a mark with these new iGPUs , because there is only tiny niche of those would be willing to pay the price for lackluster graphics and limited upgradability.

[@KingOfCha0z]

​@@aleksazunjic96725500 is weaker than 8500g or even 8400f LoL

[@KingOfCha0z]

​@@PAcifisti4 cores 8 threads seems very weak to me. At least this 8500g has 6 cores 12 threads and 5.0Ghz of turbo frequency

[@SpectatingApexPubs]

When they become available, are you considering doing a video on the 8300G? I'm really curious to see what impact going from 6 to 4 cores, as well as from 2x Zen4 + 4x Zen4C -> 1x Zen4 + x3 Zen4C will be with the 740M.

[@HardWhereHero]

This is pretty damn amazing. My last AMD CPU's were the FX8350 and the r5 3600, I WILL switch back to AMD once they make a chip that can hold 60 fps at 1080p on 3A games. This is really promising!!! I just bought a 14900k and kind of wish I had not made that decision now.

[@Lennox032]

I'll be running this with fast ram on my a620 motherboard similar to a 1050ti as i only play older games anyhow. Only bad thing is only having x4 4.0 pcie lanes if your adding a GPU later.

[@AlpineTheHusky]

Find it kinda sad that this chip is mainly advertised as a normal 6 core CPU. Also the fact it only has 10 usuable PCIe 4.0 lanes. This cuts down the usability of the chip quite a bit

[@betag24cn]

no, only the biggest gpus will have problems and the problem is less fps this is a apu, htpc and similar stuff cpu, you want more, you sell it and buy another cpu and put that gpu that i bet will only use 8 lanes anyway..

[@AlpineTheHusky]

@@betag24cn Thats exactly what I meant. I dont want to buy a CPU that is quickly obsolete or practically barely useful in the future. Oh and it only runs on 4PCIe lanes for a GPU not 8 due to AMDs forced M.2 setups. MANY GPUs will bottleneck at 4 lanes.

[@betag24cn]

@@AlpineTheHusky the target gpus used here will be all by x8 and will not do terrible, it is not planned obsolescence, it is a apu for cheap gaming pc or for a htpc very little people will try to build a monster gaming pc around it, most people will be just happy ot runs this many games so well a d later in like 5 years they will move to a arm amd cpu and you will be left thinking that x86 was the future and complaining with obsolescence

[@AlpineTheHusky]

@@betag24cn Why do you ignore the point I made and just talk about something else? Are you a politician?

[@betag24cn]

@@AlpineTheHusky so, if someone disagrees with you, quickly you have to complain understand tye product and the segment it fill is in the market it is a apu meant to be used without a dedicated gpu if you want, you can add a gpu later and down the road or you sell it or move to a newer platform i like 4 years stop complaining about something you did not understood or bougth and iediatelly assumed things that do not apply to a apu

[@Karti200]

it is sad that for Ryzen 3 8300G and Ryzen 5 8500G, AMD gave only 4CU for iGPU... in perfect world, Ryzen 5 8600G would be given 8CU just like 8700G while 8300G and 8500G would be given 6CU but no..... make half of the 8000 series desktop APUs DOA, while make other 2 prices in such a way that there is really no point of going with them unless you really want to build just an iGPU box of some kind

[@antonnjames4626]

Hey, great video, just noticed that something might be misreporting with your framerates, as the 0.1% lows are often way below the reported minimums

[@CornBreadMan264]

A Pro version of a Ryzen 7 8700G with ECC support would be nice in the future!

[@EinSwitzer]

custom cooling for the CPU VRM rails like a GPU helps a lot and shows it had potential to show you its better then any of the online reviews.

[@Zangetsu_X2]

I'm sorry, but could you say that again? Please?

[@EinSwitzer]

Put heatsinks on vrm and power controllers like they do on graphics cards pcbs then your igpu will accelerate like a real graphics chip

[@bdp2868]

Man, you should double check the numbers you gave for the RDR2 at 7:20 ....doubt that igpu gets 120 fps there

[@elham7459]

1:13 I have a question. Is Ryzen 5 8500G overclockable both the CPU and iGPU? AMD did not explicitly stated overclockability in their website unlike Ryzen 5 8600G and up, meanwhile Techpowerup said it's not overclockable. It should overclockable but I just want confirmation. Also FYI, 8000G desktop is actually new die variant of Phoenix aka Hawk Point like in Ryzen 8040 mobile. You can see it in CPUID and stepping version also huge 60% boost in NPU clocks, AMD just decide to codenamed it as Phoenix for whatever reason. Other than dGPU, SSD also cut to half (x2) lanes compared to upper segments.

[@BillyBoy444]

I'm guessing the 8300G will be OEM only.

[@EcksGamer]

I think you should go back to testing this using Bazzite instead because i tried this APU out (my friend's system) using Bazzite and for CP2077 i was getting about the same results as you but i had FSR set to balance instead of performance mode in which i find for certain games gets a little more performance using Bazzite instead of Windows.

[@rhysm.5915]

3:24 I always laugh at how KCD barely looks any different on low settings than it does on high, at least outside during the day.

[@spoots1234]

You should probably compare this to the 5600G to see if it's worth the extra $50 and the extra platform cost. Then check both with a 4060, which is the likely upgrade somebody like this jump to after a year or two. Though a pci-e 3.0 GPU might bottleneck more because that's X4 running on gen3 speeds. Like if they picked up a 6700xt for that matter

[@Vengir]

Radeons 6000 are PCIe 4.0 cards. Famously, the 6400 and 6500 XT only have 4 lanes of those, which could result in bottlenecks when paired with a mobo or CPU that only supports PCIe 3.0. The 6600 (and up) wasn't affected by this problem, because it has 8 lanes, which is enough even at 3.0 speeds.

[@skorpysk]

So basically, this is great for Movies, and eSports titles, nice. I'll maybe use it for my TV box

[@betag24cn]

those numbers are great tbh, you really can do most games without a gpu, perfect for htpc and office related stuff

[@AdotFenderson]

I wonder if the differences in performance between those two CPUs feeding a DGPU would be more or less pronounced in a typically GPU-limited scenario (high resolution and graphical quality settings). Any chance you could run a few tests at 4K and compare?

[@tahapourmand1545]

Now that’s the definition of a “ central processing unit”

[@Redmage913]

Question - How is the minimum frame rate measured higher than the 0.1% lows? Shouldn’t they be equal, or shouldn’t the minimum rate be lower than 0.1%? Am I misinterpreting minimum with a too literal reading?

[@aleksazunjic9672]

Minimum and maximum frame rate are bungled and statistically insignificant . Most important are average and 1% low . Even 0.1% is flawed unless you run very long benchmarks.

[@alltheotherhandlesaretaken]

I like this chip, not because of it’s iGPU but because it gets you a budget entry point for AM5

[@allenleung6556]

I didn't expect this iGPU play CS2 DM on 120fps.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah pretty impressive

[@leevi6026]

I would have liked to see more vram hungry games in that x4 vs x16 benchmark, and maybe with lower mid-tier card with like 8 GB vram. Because 4x bottleneck is bigger with more vram usage so that would have highlighted the problem better, and AFAIK more vram helps to avoid that bottleneck in some cases. And it would have been realistic scenario because so many newly published games are quite vram hungry. And of course that would have been more realistic combination than with 800$ 4070 TI Super.

[@SnachezOnYoutube]

Por lo que estuve investigando también tiene limitado los lanes para el almacenamiento, los m.2 corren x2, es asi? Por cierto, muchas gracias por el contenido, en español hay poquísimo contenido que profundice tanto, por ejemplo esto de las limitaciones del pcie nadie lo dice. Siempre recurro a tu canal y activo la traduccion automática 😂

[@Johnny2Gats]

Curious if we’ll ever see a chip similar in size to a Xeon or Threadripper that could really compete with a discrete GPU. I’m sure it would require a specific motherboard with boosted power delivery, but could they then add onboard memory as well? I don’t think dedicated GPUs are going anywhere anytime soon, but having one chip handle everything sounds very cool

[@pweddy1]

They do need some sort of naming convention to designate which CPUs have C cores vs all normal cores.

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

Hawk point will likely be a refresh of this lineup, adding 5-7% across the board, for similar pricing by the end of the year But what I’m really interested in, is Kraken Point 16 CU’s of RDNA 3.5 with 8 Zen 5 Cores It’s gonna be a beast of a APU And the replacement for the 740m will have 8 CU’s instead A doubling, if not more, in GPU horsepower APU’s are becoming cool again In 2025, you should be able to play up to 2023 games in 1440p medium 60fps

[@boabs]

good review. i can get it on cex for £100 now wondering if worth while pairing it with a rtx 3070.

[@ExtaZzyNBN]

Excuse me if this is a dumb question, but what is the purpose of this? Can't you get cpu + gpu for same price and have them perform better than this cpu?

[@sassuki]

So basically the 7500F is 10% faster on average than the 8500G. By the way, You don't need to specify the decimals when giving figures, as the margin of error is usually ±3% anyway. So instead of writing 146,4fps, you could just say 146fps. No need to specify the 0,1% lows also, because these are very tricky and need substantial benchmarking times to be *really* accurate. It's simple math: You need 1000 seconds runtime to get one single (real) 0,1% low value, as these are *per second* values; that's almost 17 minutes runtime! And in order to exclude that it was a fluke (Windows just decided to kick off an update in the background, or your antivirus just decided it needs to check something), you probably need to run the test wa~y longer, something like 2 to 3 hours, which is totally unrealistic. In contrast, the 1% low value will be very reliable after those said 17 minutes of testing, and are somewhat reliable after just 5 minutes of testing.

[@zangetsu_the_best_zanpakuto]

when building APUs, the number of GPU cores should match the number of CPU threads

[@KingOfCha0z]

In my country I can't get the 7500f, it is out of stock everywhere, even in Amazon. It makes the 8500g the 2nd best budget option.

[@pweddy1]

This seems to outperform the 5600G’s 7 CU Vega graphics. Which is pretty damn good considering it’s only 4 CUs.

[@Lurch-Bot]

I got the impression from your description this was a quad core. These G series chips have a neutered cache which is why they suffer so badly in CPU intensive areas. On paper it is capable of benchmarking the same as a 5600X in multi thread workloads but sure doesn't perform like one. If Esports is your goal, just go buy a Xeon E5-1650 V4 and Machinist X99 MB and get a full fat RX580. You'll spend less and have better framerates. If you used a x8 4.0 GPU on a 4x 5.0 slot, you'd see zero difference.

[@ChryslerLeBaro]

Love your videos bro. Do you ever do overclocking to see if the lower CPU can match the higher with a solid OC?

[@Leahulo]

The 8600G is 210£ while 8500G only 140£. Do I still get 8600G if I plan to later add a GPU? (was thinking of an 7800xt)

[@selohcin]

Wow, even with the x4 PCIE setup, the 8500G is only about 15% slower than the 7500F was.

[@FawBio]

For the same price, just buy used RX 6600, GTX 1080 1070, 2060/S, and i3 gen 12 or ryzen 5600. It will give you 3-4 times more performance.

[@FawBio]

This APU is just scam.

[@yopikriswantoro]

Thanks bro🎉

[@ncg8224]

The sad part of all of this is that you would never know if you didn't do through research.

[@gizmonodragon3342]

I wish they would make something like an 8550G, 2 P cores, 4 E cores and a 780m built in. The 8700Gs 8 cores and the general trend towards guzzling power is a big off putting factor for me. I'm building a PS1 PC and it's quite hard to find the right hardware to stick in it. I guess I'll just got for an i3 12100F + RX 6400 (Or maybe Arc A380?)

[@NoThisIsntMyChannel]

I would love to see how it compares with the 5600g

[@eldibs]

It seems like they designed a laptop CPU, got mixed up along the way, and for some reason put it into a desktop CPU package.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Haha yeah it’s a little like that

[@yasu_red]

Ryzen APUs are pretty much mobile silicon adapted to a desktop form factor, just with higher power limits and clock speed.

[@betag24cn]

with current laptop performance, i dont see a problem with such idea, why do you?

[@guyza123]

​@@betag24cnit's simple, people naturally want to be able to play the latest games. It's really a matter of taste.

[@betag24cn]

@@guyza123 if this apu can play cyberpunk, your definition of latestcmust be different to mine, you must be complaining often about other meaningless things i bet

[@misterPAINMAKER]

For a good media - e-sports games PC it is amazing, it has AV1 support up to 8K 60FPS HDR, don't forget you can add a gpu for gaming later but sadly PCI 4.0 X4 lol. Amazing cpu, i will buy it for my second PC.

[@Adamismmyname007]

That kinda makes me mad that they kneecapped the future of your build by only butting x4 or x8 PCIE lanes considering their main selling point is to "Buy this now and get a GPU later" sort of thing. Like.. Why???

[@jment34]

Excellent more game benchmarks with this apu.

[@ozmobozo]

I feel like these apus have too much cpu and too little gpu to make sense. Especially when 12100 6600 combo exists.

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Good point

[@BusAlexey]

8300G would be perfect though, for ~120 or so

[@naamadossantossilva4736]

I think the 8500G is safe,the 12100/6600 combo still costs a decent bit more.The 8600/8700G on the other hand...

[@ozmobozo]

@@naamadossantossilva4736 I'd pay a little extra to get a much better system considering these apus won't last long and you will eventually need a gpu along the way so going with a better system will save you money despite the initial cost.

[@nickochioneantony9288]

RDNA3 is surely not as interesting as I hoped. I looked into the performance of Steam Deck, Asus ROG, Ayaneo, etc... They are basically APU in a handheld, but they perform better than a desktop APU. Corners were absolutely cut from the AMD department.

[@Xenotester]

Also 8600G have 6*Zen4 cores and 8500G have 2*Zen4 cores +4*Zen4C Cores Zen4C is logically almost same as Zen 4 but more integrated litography desighn and lower clocks - so it more energy efficient

[@ogrejd]

For Cyberpunk, is that just in the 'normal' Night City or did it include the DLC areas (which are a lot more intensive, by most accounts)?

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Ah this was just the base game so yeah I guess performance will vary with the DLC

[@ramr7051]

"budget" is right. They cut down that igpu way too much

[@tinyparcel6305]

So I am gonna be upgrading from a 6700k and I'm considering either the 7500f or the 8500g. I'm wondering if I should save some coin and just go with an aliexpress 7500f or go with the 8500g. I already have a 4070, but I have had a GPU die on and having on board graphics was a life saver just to do basic computer tasks. Gonna be running a song 1440p monitor maybe 2 at some point. Besides gaming I stream (which I will probably keep my old mobo and cpu just for a dedicated streaming set up) and some light video editing and possibly learning blender. So not sure if should stick with my 7000 series plans go 8000 just to have that apu jic.

[@Piznick64]

Im suggesting this to a coworkers who wants a PC but cant afford a gpu right now.

[@endergamer4545]

Honestly still gonna stick with am4 for a little longer given most the am4 cpus has somewhat cut down in price there that and some the am4 cpus can be on pair with am5 cpus

[@LRK-GT]

I was regretting my 5800X3D upgrade until, I realized it performs as good or better than a 7600X/8600G, with great min frame times.

[@BReal-10EC]

Not bad for a $200 APU. The issue with the 8700G is the price: for $330 you could actually buy a CPU and GPU that work better in games.

[@FalseOracle617]

Kudos to AMD for continuing to develop these APUs. Seriously impressive stuff and for the price I don't think anyone has any right to complain. They're obviously not perfect, but I don't think that matters for the price. The 8700G is ridiculous honestly

[@cosmicusstardust3300]

the limited PCIe lanes strikes me as planned obsolescence... smh

[@betag24cn]

what gpus cannot wotk with fewer lanes, and what is the problem with the ones that can?

[@guyza123]

​@@betag24cn most GPUs are x8 or x16, it lowers the performance sometimes. No, I'm not digging up numbers for you.

[@betag24cn]

@@guyza123 most cheap gpus that wiññ be used here will be by 8 ypu have 10 lanes the x16 will not be used with a apu, you are complaining about a apu, you are wasting time

[@guyza123]

@@betag24cn there are 4 lanes being used by nvme. Everyone's saying you will only get 4 for the gpu

[@padmavincent1588]

Man this chip is much better than my intel celeron n3060 and I bet u never heard or knew about this chip

[@l2_linksklix]

It’s cool that we progressing good with igpus but this thing isn’t that good, but let us just wait

[@yakovalhall]

we cant find the 7500F in Brazil, but we do have the option of buying the 8400F, how different are they?

[@OneTwoWolf]

I notice you didn't have the CPU clock speeds on screen, would be curious to see how they stack up and utilisation per core as the 8500G is a hybrid 2 Zen 4 cores and 4 Zen 4c cores. The lack of PCIE lanes is disappointing, but probably doesn't matter when you consider it would be best to sell the APU and buy a 7000 series CPU for any discrete GPU upgrade anyway, as the APUs all sacrifice L3 cache for their greater integrated graphics. Nice to see a video on this chip though, this is the first review of the lower end 8000G series APUs I've seen so far :)

[@RandomGaminginHD]

Yeah for some reason I couldn’t enable clock speeds. I did notice afterburner got an update just now though so might be fixed

[@gabrielv.4358]

But wont the Igpu count for the lack of need to get a dedicated graphics card?

[@ytviewergod2598]

When you check the specs of the 8500G, it says that it only supports upto 5200mhz ddr5 ram. How did you make 6000mhz ram work with it?

[@eusebiou-say-bee-oh326]

Warrantee-wise 5200MHz is advised, yet it has been reported by others in the YT community that 6000 MT/s is the sweet spot, but if ever something goes wrong due to overclocking the ram, then the warrantee of the ram is voided. Now given that 2x16gb of DDR5 can be from $80 to $120 or so, would the average consumer try their luck? It is easy for content creators to play around with overclocking because companies can show how good their products are, so their risks are small when a failure occurs. Yet for us consumers, it is a different story altogether.

[@Jrambo51]

Most motherboards will need a bios update but do you have to bios update before using this cpu or can you update it with this cpu?

[@LisSolitudinous]

Wish R3 8300G was available somewhere on the market...

[@sanenngehardt19]

CS2s performance is REALLY unstable now, not sure when was this recorded but, CS2s probably not a good benchmark for gpus right now.

[@yousseftunisia638]

overall if u wanna be in am5 for as cheap as possible use this cpu its good and u dont have to spent money for the gpu and in the future u can buy one