Legends of Horizon Zero Dawn: Eleuthia-9

Legends, the series that explores the lore and history within the world of Horizon. In this episode, we step into the past of the Cradle facility Eleuthia-9. What became of the first humans reborn on the earth, and what kind of lives did they live? Find out now!
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[@zoiosilva]

"You will be brave, and you will learn". That's where the idea of the Brave Nora came from. Interesting.

[@TigerHawX]

Wow I just got that

[@tk-4737]

I thought that too

[@kyoza5069]

@@tk-4737 So did I.

[@FerociousMit]

First time I heard it I knew. I bet the first group of kids fought over leadership and what they were to be about which is why they broke apart and made different tribes, maybe not all the tribes at once, but through the generations. They had that impact. The Nora worships mother's, which most likely comes from the robot mother who was the only one who acted nice to the children, told them to be brave and therefore you got nora braves worshipping mothers, while all-mother the robot sleeps inside the mountain they worship, she slew the metal devil, being the one who punished the kids. That's just my view, you also have them wanting to see the sun so at least one of those kids went on to worship it making the sundom. But if you really pay attention it isn't hard to spot these possibilities.

[@chunkystains8950]

I can understand the brave part but where did they get the word "Nora" from?

[@Morrowman17]

God damn. This is the most tragic bit of lore in the whole game. “Discontented lost souls” really hammers it home. And with APOLLO being gone we see how the system almost caved in on itself. And these poor children had NO idea what was going on. NO idea where they were or who they were and why they’re there and it really hurt my heart to see all of this laid out. The new humans of HZD COULD have been raised properly and learned of the old ones and moved on to heal the world. But nope. Yoink. Thanks Ted

[@jifij89]

it’s truly impressive they survived

[@drunkemonke1995]

Interesting how the Nora’s seemingly sole method of punishment amongst their own, becoming an outcast for an appropriate amount of time befitting the crime, is the logical evolution of the multiservitors’ time out punishments given to the humans who would become the proto-tribe that evolved into the Nora.

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

Drunke Monke All Mother is similar to Jehovah.

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

Drunke Monke Nora Tribe is similar to Jehovahs Witnesses.

[@leonstansfield]

imagine being trapped in eluthia9 all your life, only to step out into the embrace, wild and free, and to look back, at the mountain, of which you were contained all this time. to see your world go on and on for thousands of km. it must have been terrifying.

[@NoxaClimaxX]

Something I noticed: the mother servitor seems to be the basis for All-Mother. "I will stay here, and sleep, and remember all of you". The Nora believe that when they die, they will live on in All-Mother's eternal memory. In contrast, the father servitor seems to be the basis for the Nora's lore regarding the Metal Devil. The datapoints shown seem to portray the father in a negative light: either not understanding them or being aggressive. The Metal Devil is seen as the father of all machines. The first new humans were aware that the servitors were machines, and this might have been the root of their technophobia.

[@johgus96jg]

NovaClimaxX great observation

[@E4xtream]

I think the Metal Devil is actually far more literal than that. When you go into the mountain and face the door, turn around and look up. You will see a Faro robot, namely a FAS-BOR7 Horus. So when you put two and two together. The first thing the children see when they exit is that they are in the heart of a mountain, with a 'metal devil' having seemingly fallen right before breaching the Eleuthia's facility. So the obvious conclusion? 'All-Mother' did not just raise them up, she was actively battling with an evil force, hell bent on destroying her and them. What I really want to know, is how that Horus found its way to that mountain? When? Was there a breach in the seam? Like a small gap that slowly widened enough to be detectable? Or, was the existence of the Zero Dawn facilities somehow leaked? Remember that in reality, the Horus must have been disabled by Minerva right before it could breach the facility. Which means that the Faro swarm could not have been assaulting that mountain for at least 49 years after Zero Day. So why, after 49 years of hibernation, did the Horus launch an assault on the mountain?

[@NoxaClimaxX]

My guess is that the two stories fused over time due to the fallacies of oral tradition.

[@mattstorm360]

NovaClimaxX And also the root of the Brave. You will be Brave.

[@mattstorm360]

@@E4xtream I think they where likely seconds away from breaching the facility before the final door sealed. Once the energy signature disappeared, the titan went into hibernation as their was no longer a nearby energy source.

[@moonbender95]

I wanna see the real sun! Not lights and pictures! And that's how they started to worship the sun

[@orvalinaaugusta2903]

there was one big group of humans, it makes sense that it splited and one group migrated to dry areas where the sun is intense and the oder decided to stay due its attechment to the Mohter

[@mrgaudy1954]

Praise the Sun!

[@johnwickinyt3017]

exactly

[@eekenny]

By the sun, I love your comment!

[@dance_ofThaDEAD]

Dont forget a boy yelling "Im king today!"

[@randomhero6715]

Dang if only Elisabet had thought to download Apollo onto the multiservitors as a final fail safe in case something like what Ted Faro did were to happen. That way they could still relay the information and maybe with enough education the children would be able to grow and eventually access the information similar to downloading information onto a flash drive.

[@TwinPeaksIndustries]

@@tachy1801 Perhaps not the entire database, but the essentials, spread across all units, like files on a RAID

[@anuragdas9509]

@@TwinPeaksIndustries The thing is, Apollo itself was built with multiple redundancies in mind, but the only thing they did not account for was sabotage from within. Becuase everybody on the project knew how integral Apollo was to Gaia. The full functions of Artemis could only be unlocked by Elutians approved by Apollo. This means that the biosphere in horizon zero dawn is still incomplete, and the only thing keeping the world going are the Hephaestus robots who are still somehow keeping the ecosystem in balance. But of course ted faro, the man with no scientific background (a business scl dropout) did not understand any of this. He did not even think to consult with the alphas, who were all more intelligent and qualified than him, before making his idiotic decision. Elisabet may have known that ted faro could not be trusted which is why he was kept in the dark mostly about the project. What she did not anticipate was that faro would for some reason have omega clearance, which gave him powers over the project that he should never have had.

[@ElectromagNick]

This has been one of my major contentions since I first visited ELEUTHIA-9: the seeming miracle of emotionally stunted or even damaged adolescents without any tools, skills, knowledge, infrastructure, _anything_ could survive outside the Cradle facilities at all, and how Ted's shortsightedness and selfishness could very well have damned the human species to a second extinction. It _should_ have, by all accounts. And yet, they _somehow_ kept going.

[@umcarafilipino]

Forbidden West spoilers: ... ... ... Ted Faro wanted to be the patriarchal deity of the new world. He tried to make himself immoral, but he became a monster instead.

[@NyuuMikuru1]

One laying there near the gate is not the one children saw before the door were closed but the one who placed Aloy in front of the door and then close it. Once it was done then fell to sleep forever.

[@ChocolatierRob]

One thing I've always assumed about the various tribes we see in the game is that they *all* originated in this cradle, not just the Carja and Nora. It is just that the Carja are the only ones we have the specific splitting off point for (helped by their use of writing). The cradles were all split fairly far apart and I find it unlikely that the populations of any two are likely to find each other without the advancements of Apollo. The only reason why we are seeing this particular area is because its cradle facility is the closest to Gaia's core. It's also quite likely that not all the cradles were successful in releasing a population that survived.

[@kyoza5069]

Agreed. I can see one in the remnants of somewhere like New York. Damn, that'd honestly be kind of hard to explain without APOLLO

[@writershard5065]

@@kyoza5069 I would love a game set in New York now. Tribes living in twisted and broken metal-frames of ancient skyscrapers. Maybe having legends about giant sea walls that must have been built to hold back the rising sea back in the climate-disaster days.

[@Orangecatenergy]

@@kyoza5069 I feel like big cities would be completely destroyed because humans lived there amongst millions and during the plague, some people were kept safe in the heart of cities (see data point from guliyev's wife) so the *farobots would go ape shit over there.

[@ManiyaVinas]

I thought the quen are from the first cradle in china

[@simpleviewer1334]

The fact that this is 9 out of who knows, maybe every tribe had one al around the world

[@15DJONYX]

This is one of many parts of the game that game me chills and awe tingling sensation. This is why I love this game so much.

[@HD_Simplicityy]

Its spine chilling and just astonishing to imagine these early lives, and how their own imaginations created the future mythologies of the tribes. It reminds me of Adam and Eve, these two kids. They're created by God, not AIs, and placed, albeit not pushed, out into this world that they have to survive in. The other opposing idea is that Adam and Eve didn't struggle to survive in the Garden of Eden. But that's almost too different - and too similar at the same time - of a story. One of the most fascinating lore of the game.

[@orvalinaaugusta2903]

It's silly, but I get myself imagining how life in Eleuthia-9 was for the first humans. Many babies or children must have died and robots had to colect their corpses. How a child would react as soon as they found out their infant friend slept and wont wake up no more? Imagine how those humans who have never interacted with older humans could develop their sense of empathy and community. It's must've been specially hard during puberty and teenangerhood, with all those hormones going on and having noone to teach them how to deal with masturbation, sex, etc, 'cos I belive this kind of knowledge was Apolo's domain. Probably many of them got pregnent without knowing what is going on. Yeah. It's amazing how this population survived.

[@soumen8624]

They dont follow the timelime either right, for e.g. years, months, days, seconds? basically no maths knowledge.

[@miliba]

@@soumen8624 They probably learned basic maths like addition and multiplication

[@skie6282]

Omg you made me realize something else, first time child birth... or ya just being pregnant, not even knowing wtf that was... wow

[@Orangecatenergy]

@@skie6282 just menstruations and boners in general. Must've been wild. I believe many girls would've thought they will die because they got their periods. I can imagine the servitor just being like "everything will be fine. No need to be worried" while they're cramping and bleeding without knowing why...

[@normacenva8411]

I love it how the transcripts have hints to the developments of the Sun King and the Nora Braves!

[@la5369]

I've finished this game for months and I missed it.. I was looking for channels featuring HZD, then I found you. I'm late but your content is amazing. I've been binge-watching your videos for some days and I love it. Thank you for making these videos😊

[@serbanandrei7532]

your content is so high quality, im amazed

[@OnePathToFollow]

I've been binge watching your videos for the past week and have learned so much more about this awesome game from you. You have a real knack for telling stories and your videos are such high quality, it's amazing!

[@iobliven5633]

Would it make sense that the Banuk came from another cradle in the north. I really wish that he would do a speculation on numbers of cradles

[@wonjurielly5918]

This is a random question, sorry if it is a repeat question. Just something I've been wondering as I've been replaying and watching the legends. Why didn't GAIA have a subsector to construct buildings? I guess the cauldrons/bunkers would suffice as living places but shouldn't the AI have been thinking, oh once these thousands of humans have been ready to be released, they will need a place to stay and have infrastructure, etc. Or would they have had the superior knowledge from APOLLO and just build them super quickly themselves?

[@Orangecatenergy]

I think it was intended that the humans learn from Apollo on how to build homes, any kind of, wether a hut, a house, a Skyscraper, a cavern in the woods...

[@pasticcinideliziosi1259]

Some Nora escaped the mother land and created the carjas, as in the bunker the robots say that ‘when you will be brave you will see the real sun’ and the carjas treat the sun as a god

[@casingena1985]

I would love to see a video on the origins of tribal cultures. As you pointed out in your video, one of the early paintings could suggest an early but weaker devotion to the sun and the Nora tribe were much the product of the computer system of Eleuthia-9. Perhaps other tribes take on the characteristics of their own birthing chambers in their region. The Banuk were well developed in the expansion, I would love to see more on the origins of tribal culture in the next game. Fingers crossed. Thanks again for your work, I can't wait to watch your content :)

[@SquirrelGrrl]

Chris Casingena they probably would have been released then, but with survival knowledge from Apollo and also knowledge about how to run Zero Dawn and the facility. Faro only cared that he was not remembered as the one who doomed the world.

[@aidansilvia2663]

Going into the facility is kind of terrifying

[@MistahJay7]

One of the most Horrific places known to man. Purely a nightmare

[@MrMikey1703]

G'Day there, From the little I have seen, your work is amazing! I only say little, as I am yet to finish the game, having only put in around 50 hours at what you would call a snails pace. I've managed to stay spoiler free so once I finish the story I'll watch all of your Lore videos. Also. Terrific to see your subscriber base climbing. You really deserve to have so many more subs. I'll tweet this link out again.

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thank you so much! Glad I didn't spoil anything for ya so far! Once you finish, be sure to let me know if you have any lore you want explored in a future video :)

[@MrMikey1703]

Random Side Quest thanks heaps and I will do! One reason I’m taking so long and that I’m loving the story so much!

[@j-yoshi64_justcallmej]

I wonder if any other Eleuthia facilities ran out of food. If Eleuthia-9 was the only one to do so, I wonder why and how.

[@NoxaClimaxX]

Probably. No way those things could hold an unlimited food supply.

[@chrisdock8804]

The other tribes were probably generated by similar facilities.

[@mattstorm360]

@@chrisdock8804 If i recall, most of the other tribes came from Eleuthia-9. Some stayed near it, others left, others got cast out for taking banned artifacts and such. The Nora are the oldest of the tribes.

[@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394]

Since Ted fucked everything up, I bet the other human colonies developed into tribal places like in Colorado/Utah/Wyoming area

[@roguishpaladin]

@@mattstorm360 Most of the other tribes in that area. Also, though, the Nora are a touch biased when it comes to their history-keeping. It's probable that the Carja came from the same roots as the Nora, but to me it seems unlikely that the Oseram, Banuk, Tenakth, or Utaru stem from Eleuthia-9.

[@cubastvvideojuegosvalvemar8004]

Excellent video. Hey, not to show off, but I want to add a piece of information regarding the treatment that the disciplinary multiservitor had with people. At 5:42, you mention how the disciplinarians detained the children and isolated them. Even when they were adults. This data I got from TV Tropes, but that's very similar to what the Nora do to outcasts. More than a form of exile from ancient times, it is similar to what adults do in a group of children when one misbehaves: They separate him from the group and do not let him talk or let anyone talk to him for a while, but always They keep him close to prevent something bad from happening to him. Just like the Nora, only taken to the extreme: Exile prohibits you from interacting with other Nora for a long time, after which, you can return to the tribe.

[@vercing1324]

My man! I hope you see this message... firts, sorry for my english, i am brasilian. Second : I found sonthing terrible and sinister.... that gave me chills! When i finished the game and get back to ilitia 9, in search for ansewrs. I walked closer to a hologram in the wall, and stare at it for a time. You know, it was all normal : some images of mans, faro robots and a photo of the planet. Then... i begin to hear sonthing... some voices. In that moment i tought it was part of the music, but then, i turn off the "music" and the "everyoment sounds", only with the "voices sounds" on 100% and i hear the voices, dozens of voices whispering in my ear while i run to the door, frightned. To my despair, the voices where everywhere, and it only stoped when i get out of Eleuthia-9. The voices look to say sonthing, in backwards, and i know, if theres one man who can find out what they say, this man is you. I am counting with you.

[@RandomSideQuest]

Man sounds creepy, I'll see what I can find 👍

[@vercing1324]

@@RandomSideQuest Hello! I didint expected to get a ansewr so soon, so i fear that i spammed messages about that in other videos... sorry 😂 and see what you can find! I will be waiting a video or answer. Good luck!

[@alexandros_97k]

First of all you are doing an amazing work.I have learned so much about the lore of Horizon Zero Dawn by watching your videos.Keep up the amazing work

[@Xindi86]

Beautifully presented, nice story voice

[@minutmaidman107]

Awesome work yet again, I never picked up that there was drawings on the walls. THks!

[@cd_first1135]

For the next video, do you think you can cover The Claim from the Oseram and give us an idea where it might be located? I love your videos and I hope you get a bigger audience!

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks so much for the kind words! It won't be the next video, but you can expect the Oseram to be talked about sonner than later :)

[@tw1stedm1nd14]

I know im really late, but damn this is an impressive job you are doing here! Great content, superb quality! Keep it up, man!

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks Mind!

[@PseudoEmpathy]

Not entirely robust architecture was it? I usually have fallback upon fallback so my projects can function entirely independent of everything else. You never know when some other part of a large thing will randomly stop working.

[@BigTwonLT]

The real question is were all these facilities only created in Colorado?

[@santoscetorz]

Twon Jonson the entire system was dispersed throughout the earth. If you haven’t played the Frozen Wilds I highly suggest you do. It adds to the story.

[@StayFractalesque]

"the gargantuan task of repopulating the planet will take place in cradle facilities around the globe"

[@mf9976]

Really makes you appreciate the existance of medicinal berries when these kids got let out into the open.

[@chunkystains8950]

Guess they were able to live in the entrance of the mountain for awhile until they built outwards? Then only the Matriarchs were eventually allowed in there. Probably because it was used as a secure nursing area for women and children.

[@obayrafi2632]

Great video, keep up

[@PaulGuy]

It's like being raised by Clippy.

[@cringe8063]

Thank you so much

[@RandomSideQuest]

You got it Chris!

[@moonbender95]

Eleuthia-9 meeting the goddess

[@יובלוייסמן-ל6ח]

I have a question about Eleuthia. According to the number of computers in Eleuthia-9, Eleuthia should have dozens of children. But in holograms we see only a few children. In order to establish a population, there must have been at least 150 people. And according to what appeared to be, there were not so many Cradles in the world, with perhaps three or four in North America. So how exactly did these people become the tribes we know today? For me it just does not make sense. Additionally. 6:20, can they be referred to the Spire? In addition 2, Apollo was also deleted from the computers at ELEUTHIA-9?

[@NoxaClimaxX]

Most likely, we just didn't see the other children. No, because the Spire was found after they had left. APOLLO appears to have been deleted from all the Archives.

[@santoscetorz]

APOLLO is similar to the cloud for ELEUTHIA-9. The archive was located in a central location in which the servitors and other cradle programs could reference on demand.

[@Darkstar.....]

I think you should do a video on the origins of humans in horizon. I think all humans came from the mother mountain and there differences spread them far and wide. I think the nora the brave ie be brave are those devoted to the mother figure while hating servitors ie machinery that punished them while the mother being a loving holigram. making machinesis forbidden and the crade home. The sacred lands never leaving all mother. They were narrow minded of there race and hence never left the sacred lands and made timber and rope houses. Low tech. Aloy was so different as her dna was that of a genius. The banuk are those nora not afraid of the forbidden lands perhaps explorers of the nora and curious that were exiled and forced to live on there own in the northern wastes some became starving canibals the ravenous as has happened to those trapped in the snows in real life. You must fend for yourself. The carja being devoted to the sun they have wanted to see all there lives and following the suns path led them a long way from there birth place to where they live now. There need to be closer to the sun made them build large castles of stone to get closer to the sun hence the platform they built it all on being so tall. They worship the sun. Everything the sun touches is theres hence they had no aversion to exploring and took what they want from tribes around them. Shadow carja just being an off shoot of the carja. And lastly the oseram those that disagreed with the others took a different approach and lived and survived through creative and became familiar with crafting and smithing. Explore. They had the least fear of all for technology birthing the guy that used the lure signal technology. I know little of the oseram so there could be more basis with there hystory. The technology is interesting. I also notice over 800 years human population is still so small. This is the reason i think they all came from one cradle. 250-500 individuals could creat 5 tribes with enough diversity to create the apparent 1000-2000 humans seen in the lands. I expect many have died over the years due to machines, each other and the environment. But i think we did not see the full extent of the set up inside all mother to explain how all humans came from the same place. One country each to have one cradle and we only see a part of america in the game and limited racial diversity. Other minority's being far more extensive at other cradles around earth. Possibly there was only enough resources and time for project zero dawn to operate in one country and what we see is all there is. The plague did not start in America giving them more time then other developing countries that had armed forces deployed first.

[@barbarianzg8826]

6:39 this line gives me the most trouble,of from where ppl population comes,as we know,those children born from Eleuthia chambers couldn't get out from Eleuthia cause one simple thing..Alpha register..where only Alpha members has acess..and there are they bodies lying in Eleuthia just before Apolo room as a proof,and did someone (multiservitors) gave them acess to the exit at proper age or..they never seen a real sun? Excellent point is that game (devs) gives us an option to think about it and wonder..if they did get out,or they didn't..what really happened? But there's been (still is) a place on Earth where survivors could have take shelter..but that datapoint will always puzzled me..before that last datapoint we see how those kids collapse on the floor right there were are they remains..why that 6:39 Guerrilla..why?

[@abdullah_carart5638]

Can anyone tell me the name of soundtrack which plays when you enter eleuthia9 after finishing the story?

[@joelosuji2285]

Rewatched this and the question I keep thinking is... was Eleuthia-9 the only cradle to create humans? I cant seem to find the answer to this anywhere.... cos if so does that mean there are humans in all corners of the world now or just the ones that came from the humans that left Eleuthia-9

[@Orangecatenergy]

There are multiple ELEUTHIA all around the globe. ELEUTHIA-9 is just the ninth one, placed near Yellowstone national park

[@Orangecatenergy]

We do not know for sure if all ELEUTHIA succeeded in releasing humans. Especially with Apollo being gone. I don't doubt that in areas like Singapore, Japan and such, with a lot of volcanic and tectonic activity, would have a lot of humans dying due to them not knowing anything about that stuff or not knowing how to handle earthquakes, tsunamis, floods etc.

[@ManiyaVinas]

@@Orangecatenergy Earthquakes aren't that bad if you don't live in a city I think the quen are from eleuthia 1

[@seand.g423]

​@alicekirkland4370 "I think the Quen are from Eleuthia-1" Great... just in case they needed _another_ collective ego boost once they found those old Focuses...

[@plexer13]

Well, fack Ted

[@CYBERLEXX]

Great work, but... Difference between watching H:ZD and play, is like between watching porn and have real sex...No offence, but HORIZON is the game which you should play by yourself, it is a game that worth to by PS4 Pro, for me it even was argue to buy new OLED TV!

[@FuckFascistYouTube]

I think this is the best story I've ever seen in a game

[@FatBitches]

Do you agree with me that seeing Elisabeth as Aloys mom is not the right perspective? We should see her as her Twin-sister born in a different age but reddit begs to differ. P.S. Erend is the worst character in Horizon.

[@RandomSideQuest]

Well I see where your coming from, but I think the narrative of the overarching story lends to Aloy seeing Elisabet as a mother figure. Genetically they are nearly identical (more to your twin sister point), but her journey is to find who she really is, and Aloy's final cut scene and the audio with it really hammer home that Aloy is essentially the daughter Elisabet always hoped for, but never had.