Range Report: Smith & Wesson Model 41 (.22lr Target Pistol)

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@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

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@leonardoglesby1730 Ай бұрын

I have owned a Model 41 since 1965 along with a Hi Standard Supermatic Trophy both are great 22LR target pistols. I would recommend either one.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

Trivia...The M41 and the "military" series of High Standard pistols were made to mimic the feel of the 1911, not for "people who like 1911s" but for Bullseye competitors. Bullseye shooting has three classes of competition. These are .22 rimfire, 'any centerfire', and .45 ACP. By choosing a Model 41 (or a Hight Standard Military) and a good quality 1911, either a custom job or a Colt Gold Cup National Match, a competitor could shoot all three classes with only 2 handguns with similar weight and "feel". This is also why Colt made the Service Model Ace, and the .22 conversion for the 1911. The S&W K-22, K-32 and K-38 revolvers were all made for Bullseye competition also.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Good information. Thank you for sharing and adding to the conversation.

@gnosticnight Ай бұрын

Many decades ago I had a surplus kit identified on its box as a .22LR "Ace" intended to be fitted to a 1911. As I recall, it was a two-piece interlocking barrel affair. The second, interlocking part of the barrel was supposed to slam back, mimicking the recoil of a .45 ACP round. The effect was unrealistic when it worked at all. It was obviously designed as a training aid, though I don't know for who.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

@@gnosticnight The Service Model Ace (and conversion kit) were introduced in the 1930s to allow Bullseye shooters to use their familiar 1911 for the .22 class of the competition. It duplicated the heft and feel of a .45 ACP 1911, but there were reliability problems with the .22LR functioning the heavy 1911 slide. So the floating chamber was developed to increase the recoil enough to reliably operate the 1911 slide. Some people suggested that this was for "training purposes". It really wasn't. It was just necessary to make the gun function. They could have used a lighter weight slide (zinc or aluminum), but then the weight would be less. The Service Model Ace made some inroads in Bullseye shooting, but it was never that popular. The concept of being able to use one handgun, with a .22 LR conversion, to shoot all classes of competition was a good one. But it just didn't work out in bullseye shooting. For one thing, using a .45 ACP handgun in the "any centerfire" class against people shooting .32 and .38 caliber revolvers, firing light wadcutter loads, is a distinct disadvantage in the timed and rapid fire stages. THEN, using a .22 LR chambered 1911 which generates more recoil than the average .22 semi-auto (or revolver) puts you at a disadvantage in the .22 LR class. It is not enough recoil to be a "trainer" for a .45 ACP 1911, but too much to be a competitive handgun in the .22LR timed and rapid fire stages. The High Standard "military" series duplicates the weight and grip feel of a 1911 without being a 1911. That is all competitors wanted. The S&W Model 41 also does that. Hence, you saw 10 High Standards and 6 S&W Model 41s for every Colt Service Ace. My personal lineup of handguns for Bullseye shooting (I still shoot bullseye competition) are: High Standard Supermatic Citation 'military' Model 107 for the .22 class. Colt Officer's Model Match .38 Special for the 'any centerfire' class. Colt Series 70 Gold Cup National Match for the .45 class. I also have a S&W Model 17 .22 LR (K-22), S&W Model 14 .38 Special (K-38) and a Colt Officer's Model Match .22 LR, but I rarely use them for competitions.

@gnosticnight Ай бұрын

@@garyK.45ACP Thanks for the info. People tell me the .22 conversion kit is worth some money to collectors now. I should have saved mine, including the box and oily factory paper wrapper.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

@@gnosticnight Yes, they are quite valuable collector's items.

@hondasaurusrex6998 Ай бұрын

Always instant thumbs up when it comes to 22lr videos. Thanks for the review! Stay safe Big Jay the average gun guy shooting unaverage guns!😁

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Thank you so much! That means a lot to me.

@Mike-vw7ct Ай бұрын

I have a performance center M-41. Best accuracy I ever got with it at 50’ with a Ransom rest and many different kinds of ammo was 1/2” 5 shot groups. But at least it is pretty.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

That's awesome.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

Beautiful gun. FWIW, I use a High Standard Supermatic Citation M107, "Military" I have had since 1971. As I understand S&W developed the M41 to get a piece of the Bullseye pistol pie away from High Standard. Both great guns and both have fantastic build quality. Each has their own benefits. In general the M41 is more reliable, as the High Standard can be a jam-o-matic, unless the magazines are tuned and the ammo is something the gun prefers...but as a target pistol, this is not as critical as for a defense pistol. Competitors would use ammo they know is reliable and will have the tool to tune the magazines. The Model 41 is also suitable for high velocity ammo, such is not recommended for the High Standard and easier to mount an optic on. That said, few competitors use high velocity ammo anyway. The High Standard has a MUCH better trigger and sights...very important for a competition pistol, especially for Bullseye shooting. The trigger on a Supermatic Citation must be tried to be believed. All that said, the Ruger MKIV target models give both the High Standard and the S&W a run for the money...for a lot less money.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Very good points and I agree that the Ruger gives this a run for its money.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

@@thetexasgunvault When my wife decided she wanted a "real target handgun" She could have chosen any she wanted, and she looked at the S&W M41, but settled on a Ruger MKIV Target, fluted barrel. For two reasons...ease of takedown and cleaning and ease of optic mounting (she likes optics on handguns, probably because she is scandalously younger than me) Cost was not an issue. It shoots nearly as well with it's preferred ammo as my High Standard. The trigger is MILES away from being as good as the High Standard, though. It's about 95% of the performance for 50% of the price.

@todglenn2707 Ай бұрын

I shoot a Hamden made Supermatic as well as a 41 and honestly the High Standard has a better trigger. My 41 was made in the 1980s and my High Standard was made in the 70. Neither shoots as well as my Hammerli 208 or my Pardini SP. I don't shoot any high velocity 22 in any of my target pistols. I shoot 200-400 rounds a week. I specifically bought a Ruger MK IV to shoot HV 22LR.

@garyK.45ACP Ай бұрын

@@todglenn2707 My Supermatic is also a Hamden made (1971). I have fired Model 41s and Browning Medalist pistols and neither even comes close to matching the trigger on my High Standard. Yes, the Hammerli and Pardini are even more specialized target handguns. The High Standard has the distinction of being the only US made handgun to ever be used to win an Olympic Gold Medal (1960). But, things have changed, equipment wise, since then. I don't use high velocity ammo for any of my target handguns. Standard velocity is usually more accurate. But many people want to use cheap, bulk .22 ammo for plinking and that is always the high velocity persuasion, so it is an issue to consider for some people. I have other guns for plinking.

@todglenn2707 Ай бұрын

@@garyK.45ACP Agree 100% I specifically bought the Ruger as a high end "plinker" and it succeed very well in that role. It run all kinds on ammo through it without worrying about damaging it. On my last 41, the person who owned it previously shot a lot of HV through it without respringing it and peened the bolt and opening the headspace. Fortunately it's easy to replace the bolt on a 41 and a lot cheaper than replacing the whole slide. I've always wanted to try a Medalist, but never got the chance.

@jimchambers7548 26 күн бұрын

Beautiful pistol, love the snap caps too😅. I'd never thought of drywall anchors👍

@thetexasgunvault 25 күн бұрын

Thank you. It is a pretty cool little trick.

@gonerydin4225 Ай бұрын

I have 4 magazines for mine that all held 10 rounds. I put Taylor Tactical +2 followers in all of them for 12 rounds. I also have both the 7" and 5.5" barrels that interchange easily. Picatinny/Weaver rails are available as well. The grip fits my XXL meathooks very well.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

That is great to know. Thank you!

@Terr42002 25 күн бұрын

I own a model 41 from 1971. The thing you said about the grips absolutely holds true for me (im left handed). I put a nice pair of what the seller called "combat grips" on it. They are just a pair of wooden ambidextrous pistol grips for the 41. That way I have a better grip while retaining the other excellent features of this gun. It's also very ammo sensitive. I use CCI Standart Velocity and reduced power springs made by wolff gunsprings. That works well enough, but I'm going to replace the old extractor with new one soon hoping it will fix at least some of these issues. I also tried the extractor from volquartsen for the 41 but that just makes things worse. Since it causes double feeds almost every second round. In conclusion, this gun is a bit of a diva, but when you get her to run she does so beautifully.

@thetexasgunvault 25 күн бұрын

Great information! Thank you for sharing your experiences.

@benk4881 8 күн бұрын

My Mdl 41 is a gem, i only use CCI high velocity in it. Before you start crying about that's to hard on it, I have called S&W more than a few times to get the answer, every single time they said CCI HV is fine to use. only issue I ever have is if i don't actually let it fully reset the next round may be a stovepipe. I have shot thousands of rounds through it, I take 10 mags to the range loaded with 10 rounds each and refill them at least 2 or 3 times. At 7 and 10 yards my groups are well within in a 4 inch square. I have to say, IMHO, it's one of the best if not the best .22 competition pistol out there. And the trigger, if you look at it to hard it'll go off, it's that sensitive.

@thetexasgunvault 7 күн бұрын

I am glad they work well for you. I know people can get so persnickety about silly stuff like that. So I agree with you.

@stevepalincsar4273 Ай бұрын

They make Snap Caps in .22LR, you know.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

They make dummy rounds, but because they are rim fire, they do not usually make snap caps. These hangers work pretty good though.

@robertfandel9442 Ай бұрын

That's a really cool trick with the inserts.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

I think so too.

@Thomas-vt7cz Ай бұрын

Hello Jason, once again another pistol that doesn't intrigue me but I did give you a like and watched and as usual you entertained me of course..! I must admit it is a very nice .22lr pistol and shoots well it appears... Again damn good job Jason..! Oh and not to mention your bloopers, Geeeez stop f#@ing up will you..! Lmao...😎

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Thank you so much. I get to shoot a lot of different guns and I know that each one will not be everyone's thing. Thank you for watching!

@nicepojos8766 Ай бұрын

Awesome gun, awesome review. If it hadn't being for the price bring almost thrice that of the Buck Mark Contour, I'd have bought the model 41 instead of the (almost as precise, accurate and beautiful) Contour I ended up buying. No regrets for sure, but a beauty the 41 is.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Thank you so much! I am honored you enjoyed the review.

@talega1 Ай бұрын

This is one pistol one should feed good "match" ammunition. What ammo did you use?

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

CCI Mini Mags

@MAG-li5jo 18 күн бұрын

@@thetexasgunvault Run CCI 22LR Standard Velocity. And I have the same M41 from 1972 with original box. The magazines hold 10 rounds.

@kc0lif Ай бұрын

nice gun

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Yes it is.

@jimdigriz3436 Ай бұрын

With a tiny mod to the follower, it fits 10, no sweat. Reliability? 100% unless you get an. inert round.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

I did not know that. Thank you for sharing.

@jimdigriz3436 Ай бұрын

@@thetexasgunvault you file down the rear of the follower enough to accommodate the cartridge rim, and ramp it back up. Mine will go 500 or more rounds without cleaning and never, ever misfeeds

@keesketsers5866 25 күн бұрын

We have several at our range, and I know several people that own one. Nothing but problems, even with high-end match ammo. I've seen them change springs, magazines, extractors etc, but they stay extremely unreliable. A real shame because it is by far the 22 I like to shoot the most and am the most accurate with. Granted, they are all older models. Maybe a brand new one would be okay....but they are $2600 over here, that is ridiculous. You can buy a new Pardini 22lr olympic matchpistol for less.

@thetexasgunvault 25 күн бұрын

Wow! That is sad to hear. I am sorry they have such issues with them.

@Procket12 Ай бұрын

At this point, I'm wondering if you're going to come across a Smith & Wesson Model 52.

@raywhitehead730 Ай бұрын

Failure to have other calibers in this very accurate pistol is so stupid.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

I can see that.

@somedayzo6 Ай бұрын

Just order the real thing from a variety of companies. .22LR plastic rounds

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Maybe of them are just dummy rounds and not designed for dry fire. These caps work just fine for what I need them for.

@7come11two Ай бұрын

Typical S&W Model 41. After about 50 or 60 rounds, they get dirty and begin malfunctioning. I ran 680 rounds through my Browning Buckmark last week without a bobble. I cleaned it and put another 500 rounds through it this morning. Same results. The trigger on my Buckmark is almost as good as the S&W, and it costs a whole lot less. My 25 yard groups were about the size of your 7 yard groups, so the Browning is plenty accurate. Probably not as accurate as the S&W Model 41. But accurate enough. And it will go bang every time the trigger is pulled. No reason to purchase the S&W Model 41. Unless you are a collector of obsolete firearms that were never really all that good. Oh, and my Buckmark magazines hold ten rounds.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403 Ай бұрын

@@7come11two Longest explanation for owning a cheaper gun I’ve read in a long time. 50-60 rounds? What planet are you on? Yes. I have owned a Model 41 for 30yrs.

@7come11two Ай бұрын

@@chrisgunsandguitars1403 That's what everyone says. Fifty rounds. Then they need to be cleaned. Not cheaper. Less expensive. And more reliable. Browning manufactures quality firearms. S&W, blah.

@thetexasgunvault Ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experiences.

@chrisgunsandguitars1403 Ай бұрын

@@7come11two Browning makes good firearms. I own many. Still 50rnds is BS. While I’m at it the Buckmark is just a clone of the Ruger Mark 2,3 which is a clone of the Walther frame and grip angle.

@7come11two Ай бұрын

@@chrisgunsandguitars1403 You're way off. The Buckmark is the continuation of the Browning Challenger, which is a continuation of the Colt Woodsman. You keep saying 50 rounds is BS, yet we witnessed this in the video. After 50 or 60 rounds, your pistol began malfunctioning. You didn't even try to hide this fact. But you keep saying 50 rounds is BS.