Range Rover - The Ultimate Luxury SUV but Theft and Insurance issues need sorting ASAP ! | 4K

[@rolandbrooks467]

I’ve been a Range Rover owner driver for some 40 odd years and love them. Current ‘ride’ is my old 2012 model with 137,000 miles on the clock. Serviced regularly and looked after is been less trouble than some of my family’s ‘normal’ cars,, Fords or Vauxhall’s. I wouldn’t change mine for anything else. Still runs like a dream 👍👍

[@ChristianBartoschek]

So you simply were lucky. Had 5 of them and they RUINED me ... crap!

[@paulefc1971]

​@@ChristianBartoschekso they were that bad, you kept buying another? hmm

[@ohbollox2it]

@@ChristianBartoschekI had a Peugeot 307 hdi - great car, never broke down, amazing on fuel and when I did change it I’d done 135,000 miles in the car - got a Peugeot 308 GTI - horrendous!!! £13,000 in repairs over 4 years and it spent the best part of 18 months in the garage when you added all the times together - not had another Peugeot since - the point is that I learnt straight away not to risk another one and the other point is that sometimes not everything made is perfect - brother in laws on his 5th Range Rover and he’s never had any issues and he averages 30,000 miles a year

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👌

[@ChristianBartoschek]

@@paulefc1971 Because I believed in progress ... ;--))))

[@15bit62]

It does amaze me that we got this theft issue sorted in the late 90's / early 2000's with keys that have a chip embedded. And then for very little extra convenience we regressed straight back to the 1980's when a kid with a teaspoon could steal your car in 45 seconds.

[@eastwood978]

Not a kid with a spoon it takes electronic equipment to scan for the key code although the newer cars the signal is switched off so they have reverted to burgling the property to get the keys.

[@the1beard]

This is the most stupid time in human history

[@paulbeswetherick4261]

I have the previous gen( not sure about current) the first thing I did was turn off the keyless entry. Pressing the buttons on the gob in a sequence tells car and key not to do so. Its a simple thing, pressing a button to unlock your car. Also - l494 that I have put 54k miles on over 3yrs.now at 95k. In that time I have had one issue car went into limp home mode due to a turbo sensor £10 fix. Lots of people buy these cars and skimp on servicing / maintenance. I change oil earlier than JLR say. I have changed gearbox oil 2x. Prevention servicing through a good independent.

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@MePeterNicholls]

Ford keys go silent after a few minutes of non movement. Why can’t JLR?

[@dominicrusho]

Don’t forget that JLR’s atrocious supply chain management - and the resulting critical parts shortages - have significantly contributed to theft rates (spare parts are in huge demand) and thus insurance premiums. I think JLR have been lulled into a false sense of security over the past decade; their products are so desirable that buyers were willing to overlook iffy quality control and reliability so there was little incentive to tackle these problems….but customers being literally unable to insure their cars might make management wake up. Some people will jump ship to other brands and never come back

[@Binda42]

Just upgraded my bmw 335d for a 2019 sport SVR , Runs like a dream , one of the best cars I’ve owned , insurance went up by £25 a month . Live in a town not far from a city , had software upgrade on purchase from main dealer . No complaints from me .

[@PetrolPed]

You forgot…sounds epic 👍

[@philedwards7174]

I also moved from a 335d Tourer Individual to a Velar and now a 23 Range Rover Sport d350. All were new cars. The BMW had a hew handbrake assembly, a full set of alloys, a new transfer box and a new front diff, all within 18 months. The JLR products have had no issues other routine upgrades and service. Personally insurance has not been a problem. I love them.😊

[@philedwards7174]

Thank you Peds for another first class video. I own a 2023 Range Rover Sport d350, Insurance for me is at an acceptable level. When you buy new you have a free Tracker for 12 months, however at the time of building you can opt for a 3 year upgrade. I can't recall the cost but it was cheap enough and represented a huge saving over annual upgrades. My point is: 1. Your insurance quote will be considerably cheaper with tracker. 2. If buying second hand try and find one with remainder of the 3 year tracker package.

[@desmondgrant1362]

I had a vouge SE 4.6 did 9 mpg. Yes it was the best car I have owned 5:21 and made me feel like king of the road, but I got to know every RAC recovery bloke. I couldn’t use it for long trips , due to its unreliability, I was putting my family at risk. In the end it was a money pit - no matter how much I spent there was always something that needed more money. In the end I felt like the thing had taken me hostage- no amount of silky smooth and effortless waffling could disguise it’s unreliable to the point of being dangerous if you have a young family.

[@watsonater]

Discovery 5 owner. Amazing family car that has never let me down. Moved from 21inch to 19 inch wheels and massively improved both the ride and offroad aesthetic

[@alansharp1528]

My daughter is lucky enough to own a new RR , and took me on her Land Rover Experience day. The whole event was brilliant, and highlighted just what a capable truck they are.

[@PetrolPed]

Indeed 👍

[@lewishunter]

I love the JLR products, I work for an independent specialist so we get to benefit from the poor reliability they have!😂 but on a serious note they are great motors and do have there own issues, the main thing we see is the people who can just about afford to buy the vehicle when there 5 years or older but scrimp on servicing and general maintenance, they can be expensive beasts to run

[@carlhughes7003]

The issue is as soon as the thieves know which areas are hotspots (as in where these updates are being concentrated on) they will just move to the next area. Land Rover/RR are also refusing insurance to owners. The situation is serious and hope it gets on too of. The other issue is for the OCG is selling the cars on and the lack of police action. We all know how much the police forces have been cut. Also sentencing is so lenient that it makes it worth it for the thieves.

[@russellpaton2303]

Now on my 4th JLR car … Disco 2, 2x Evoques and now RR Sport. Other than normal run of the mill stuff I’ve had no major issues. It’s like anything it comes down to luck and how you drive and maintain it. I know people having more issues with Fords, so who knows. Love them no matter 😊

[@seanmorgan4099]

I have a RR Sport - originally on 22 inch wheels. I change the wheels to a 20 inch rim and got higher profile tyres to suit. The ride improved so much and now wafts really nicely. It’s a keeper for me - economical, tows well and such a lovely car to drive around Australia

[@paulbeswetherick4261]

I have 21s the compromise size😂

[@PetrolPed]

Sounds great!

[@AndrewLambert-wi8et]

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE BEING STOLEN PROVES THAT THEY ARE HIGHLY DESIREABLE VEHICLES. AFTER ALL NO ONE STEALS A OLD RUSSIAN LADA.

[@tonymiller3182]

We bought one of the first TDV8s, did 70+K completely trouble-free miles including dragging a large caravan on several continental trips, and agree absolutely with your point about whether you've actually driven & owned one of these beauties or you just like to snipe about them. Should I win the lottery, then the Range Rover dealer will be my first point of call.

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👌

[@emmajaeger6143]

I am over here in Germany and believe me or not there is also a huge amount of people loving these cars and the brand itself. Myself I am the owner of four different types of Landrover/Range Rover models. Each of them are special on its own and I do not want to miss one of them.

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👌

[@paulg2923]

Volvo keyless entry and polestar deactivate the keys once they are laid flat for a short period of time. The keys aren't transmitting a signal when on a shelf in your house. (Though I still keep mine in Faraday pouches anyway. Belt and braces)

[@eastwood978]

The later JLR keys do the same. They tend to burgle the property and steal the keys so it doesn't help.

[@guymathew1520]

Triumph motorcycles have a similar system except you just press the logo on the key and it blinks red and stops transmitting. Seems a simple enough failsafe to implement.

[@morgankors1344]

Owned a 1996 first generation LSE 4.2 V8 for a number of years. One of the last off the line as the P38 was being launched. Best vehicle I've ever owned. One of my biggest regrets that I sold it. Was doing too many miles, and the monthly fuel bill had reached 400+ euros (live in the Netherlands). And then my wife tore the roof open in an underground carpark. Broke my heart, it did. Had replaced the air suspension with +5 cm progressive coils and De Carbon Adelphi shocks. Fitted +5cm track wideners on each corner, too. Handled like a dream and looked amazing on its BF Goodrich All-Terrains. Epic vehicle in every way. Would I buy a new one? Absolutely, no hesitation!

[@andydonnelly8677]

Just put it on a switch/button? on the fob like everyone else, saves on battery if you have to activate too.

[@reinmansmith]

The RangeRover has always been the top of the tree when it comes to a luxury car that can do it all, whether arriving in style at the Ritz or driving across your country estate, if you can afford one there’s nothing better to drive in consummate luxury and style and, although I haven’t owned one for some years now, I still have fond memories of the pleasure of driving it. However,…. if JLR can’t sort out the insurance/theft issue then they will be losing customers in massive numbers. If you’re about to purchase or order one and then hear of owners being either refused cover or being quoted ridiculously high premiums, you are going to start looking elsewhere. Reliability is another matter but, in fairness any large complex car by any manufacturer is going to be expensive to run and have potential for issues. What is important is to provide excellent customer service if that happens and prompt rectification of any faults. Unfortunately the general opinion seems to be that currently JLR are failing in this as well which is surely a failure of senior management?

[@PetrolPed]

Agreed 👍

[@watchcommander2012]

They are absolutely fabulous cars and been lucky enough to drive several over the years. If your lifestyle suits it then it’s the perfect match of luxury, off road capability and practicality for towing etc. The problem around the area is idiots deciding all 4x4s are climate killers and they slash their tyres write slogans on them etc. They forget some people have them for the job they do and it’s not funny if your a vet on an emergency call out to find all four tyres slashed. As a friend of ours found in the cold wet early hours one morning.

[@philedwards7174]

Thanks again Peds for another first class video. I agree these are fantastic cars. In terms of insurance and theft one thing to cosider is Tracker. New cars come with a 12 month tracker subscription. However at the time of ordering you can upgrade to a 3 year subscription which represents a significant saving. When buying second hand try and find a car with an active tracker subscription. Mine is the Sport d350 and agree that the diesel is a perfect engine for these cars.😊

[@grahamhughes707]

I love the range rovers but have never had the courage to buy as the stigma of reliability appears impossible for JLR to shake off. I also live in London making it a huge no no for insurance 👎

[@henryhol8538]

Our family have owned Series Landrovers as well as a County 110 (now called Defender) in the past when we lived abroad, so I have always loved them. I would like to get a four door Classic Rangerover at some point, and by changing the bushes, A frame, fuel pump ect, create a good driver. For the current model they should create an option without keyless entry if that would satisfy the insurance industry.

[@barberymaxence600]

Love Range Rover I have the L405 since 3 years and now it is near 280000km and no problem of relaibility everything work perfectly. I'll change it for a used L460 of course because I don't want to drive anything else now 😄

[@alibro7512]

I converted an 04 Freelander to EV and struggled to get it insured. One company was happy to insure converted cars but point blank refused to insure any Landrover! 😕

[@PetrolPed]

Wow 😮

[@beemerichie3037]

Hey Ped! Greetings from Vancouver Island, BC Canada…. As you state all OEMs of luxury vehicles suffer from theft from organized crime gangs. I work for a General Motors retailer have done for nearly 20 years now. When GM issued the new C8 Corvette they changed the fob to a “sleeping Fob” so if the fob is in your pocket/bag and not being used the fob shuts down and stops transmissions of the data needed to clone it. When you press the button the fob stays active for up to 30 seconds, then shuts down again…. Downside, well there is a delay from pressing the button to the command happening, but that’s a small price to pay if it means your pride and joy is still in your garage! These fobs are now being rolled out to other GM product.

[@Sion_Jones]

As always a very balanced and interesting review. I've loved Land Rovers and Range Rovers since I was a kid. As soon as I could afford one, I got a Discovery 3 (best car I've ever owned), then a Discovery 4 and now a New Defender. There is a lot of Land Rover bashing online and some of it's justified, but some of it seems to just be anti Land Rover no matter what. We get it, you like your old 1987 defender and want no advancement in car tech, but some of us move with the times and appreciate the capabilities and everyday usability that these cars deliver.

[@PetrolPed]

I agree 👍

[@kdm_entertainment]

I think the rims look too big and a bit tacky tbh. Looks like the pimp my ride style thing. Same with the newer RS6’s

[@joncollett4631]

You can, of course, turn off the keyless entry if that's the main problem, I've turned mine off. There are videos on here that show you how to do that, you can hide smart tags, or air tags also to help find it if it is stolen and use other security like stirring locks or pedal locks. I know that that seems a bit inconvenient but i'd rather keep it than loose it.

[@acetaj1320]

Such a valid point - I too have turned it off. Simple solution to a horror problem. Ghost immobiliser and stop lock too. Mine remains on the drive. Have an RR Sport (2021) and RR Evoque (2019) - both been very reliable. Awesome cars.

[@julesviolin]

To trump all security devices which can all be hacked, I've always had a secret switch on every car I've owned. (none have been stolen in 40 yrs of driving. It disables the fuel/ignition and thieves are not going to waste time figuring out why the car won't start.

[@arturo468]

I have owned a RR vogue since new in 2020 with absolutely no problems. It is a great car and I pay £500 for fully comprehensive insurance.

[@PetrolPed]

Nice 👌

[@long_view]

Really enjoyable and informative review as always. Picking up on the comment below, do we really need keyless entry systems? Surely the lock/unlock plipper key that you slot into a receptor slot to start the car would get round the problem of cloning. It would also avoid inadvertently leaving the key in the car - or am I missing something?

[@jondobbs]

It’s funny how multinationals can have high levels for computer security but they can’t transfer it to a car, which is just a big computer on wheels

[@MdvK13979]

Indeed, 2FA or face-id should be implemented as well when unlocking cars I think!

[@PetrolPed]

True 👍

[@nigelmitchell4855]

Hi, I worked offshore, a friend of mine bought a 2019 Range Rover brand new....he drove it for 4 months, now we worked 3 on the rig and 3 off the rig. He and I where returning to the rig, I asked "how's the car going" his reply was...."the crankshaft snapped".....it was a V8....oops, of course Rover replaced the engine, he never took it back. He bought a Toyota. As you said every car manufacturer has its moments, but I've never heard of a crankshaft snapping......Great show, well done....I watch you on, sorry I can't remember the name of the program, cars are "electrified". Take care, Mitch...

[@PetrolPed]

Vintage Voltage 👍

[@nigelmitchell4855]

@@PetrolPed That's the one...At present I'm watching re-runs, is there a new series in the offering....?

[@PetrolPed]

Sadly we only did 2 series 😢 No more planned 👎

[@markbuhler5721]

Great balanced report. I have a 2023 HSE of these, I’ve owned RR’s for over 20 years and 5 new purchases. This latest RR is head and shoulders above all past models, fantastic driving, completely luxurious, and not too flashy. My insurance on my 2018 autobiography was £800 , this latest RR was difficult to find insurance in March 2023 and painful at £2400, I’m dreading my renewal. Will I have to sell this beautiful car? I tried JLR insurance in November and they refused to quote. In my opinion JLR should guarantee everyone if they believe in their security. I’ve turned off the keyless function, I use a steering wheel lock, I rarely park it anywhere I don’t know and use the security app . Come on insurance companies, very few of the latest models are getting stolen, look again at normalising the premiums.

[@NorthWalesPiscator]

They are fantastic cars and a great balanced review Peter.My 2020 RRS hasn’t missed a beat coming up 40k miles. As I live in North Wales insurance isn’t a problem … yet.

[@stevoone342]

I’m looking at getting a 5th generation Rangey, I’ve had 2 L322 witch I had massively enjoyed and miss I only had one big issue with one of them that was age related and due to the prior owner / LR not servicing the gearbox. But to be honest if you look after them properly they will look after you and be a fairly reliable car for what it is. I think it’s one of those special cars if you get it you will love it and miss it and dose become part of the family. But if you don’t get it or cheap out or don’t maintain it you will hate it. I use to not be a massive fan till I bought my first one and fell for it and have the bug.

[@brendahuxtable8767]

I have a new Discovery sport I love it , it is a January 2024 model it has a GPS tracking system plus a Hybrid , living in Devon my insurance was not to bad . Very comfortable and I feel very safe in it with protection if in an accident.

[@alasdairwilson4806]

Oh yes,now you're talking.You have to love Range Rover.Used to get to drive an old 1985 classic occasionally in a previous job,great machine.

[@PetrolPed]

Right on 👍

[@philipparkes5682]

Hi Ped Fair and balanced overview. Range Rover should be a Top Brand. The product in so many ways is excellent, and world class, But let down by reliability and quality issues that should have been sorted years ago. Also management should have seen the insurance issue which has been creeping up on the brand for a considerable time, and whilst major sums have now been spent, the financial hit to their reputation and sales I bet has been even greater. Also greater attention to the dealer network would be a worthwhile move.

[@DavidWhatfor]

Had a 1984 RR Vogue, I think you have to drive them to see the appeal. The steering was light as a feather but a pain as had to keep constantly correcting. I did have Poly bushes on mine so could throw it around a bit. It was actually the longest I'd owned a car but broke me. I had a problem with the cam followers on mine but fixed it. The fuel consumption was 12MPG round town or 26MPG on a long run but I could get better fuel consumption when off-roading because mostly it was jus idling and did not need a lot of revs. Bonus was it was the carb 3.5 V8 version and could mend it with a set of spanners and screwdrivers, no computers 🙂

[@Jackthesmilingblack]

An anecdote worth quoting concerns a Land Rover Defender. Said vehicle was bought secondhand as an accident repair. However, the new owner had difficulty in determining which corner of the vehicle had been damaged, largely due to the extremely poor original build quality. Because some of the parts used were non-standard it was finally realised that the vehicle had been stolen and partly stripped before it was recovered. Then due to a dearth of original parts available, it was rebuilt with whatever was available, including a third row of seats.

[@MrWestcliffe]

I was in a market for one as my wife and myself too like them. Had a hire car a few times. But I just had no trust and maybe no courage to buy one. As you admit it at the end of the video that the reliability is a real issue and topping all the unreliability car surveys. Also had close friends and even my direct manager having multiple issues and problems with it. But they are like biased towards the Range Rover like many British people are, and they don't want to admit or even realise that they car is more at the dealer then at home. I needed a car for a long journeys and do a lot of cross Europe trips so I needed a reliable car. And I had no other car (or two in a garage) which I would be able to use while my Range Rover is (again) at the dealers for (trying to fix a leaking panoramic sunroof, central locking not working etc.) So I decided to go with a safer option and bought a German SUV and done 40k in the UK and In Europe without any issues for the 3 years I had it. This is what Land Rover needs to achieve, being reliable at least in the first few years of the cars lifetime, but they still failing with that unfortunately. And I was very relived that I didn't go with a Range Rover when the theft scandal came out as my insurance would have sky rocketed and also would be in such a negative equity on the PCP that my outstanding balance would be triple what the cars market value would be.

[@robholland1937]

They have a lot to do in order to pull back from this issue. I’ve driven Range Rovers for years but Porsche for me next. I’ll keep my 2011 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover and 1974 Series 3 Lightweight Land Rover though 😊Happy to chat anytime. I’m over the hill in Petersfield 👍😎

[@richardmcdonell1108]

Hi - Just to say about Keyless entry - Did you know that you can switch that off on the HMI and just use the button on the key fob to open - that’s what I have done and with the Faraday bag and feel absolutely safe. I absolutely love them. I have owned several (Sport) RR’s and had absolutely no return to dealer issues at all - 60K miles on two vehicles. Had a couple of HMI issues at the start but got a SOTA download which fixed everything and never had the screen go off again.

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks for the tip!

[@quakutenkorang]

I got into the 2014 Range Rover Vogue SE 3.0 diesel about 2 years ago and that’s one of the best decisions I made. Before I got the car there’s this perception about RR being unreliable but it’s not the case with me, im now at about 140k and the car still drives like new, never stopped anywhere, always start. The way the car drives is so impressive like there’s nothing out there that can give you everything you look for in different cars in one package. My dad has a 2016 Land Cruiser 200 series and trust me it doesn’t drive as good as the RR and before getting into the RR I could have sworn that the LC is the best off roader. Though it’s also very capable the RR is in a league above. Great piece of machine

[@Mrtallguy76]

A really insightful video, thanks Ped 👌🏼 I’ve just taken ownership of a Disco 2 V8 which is my first JLR product, but I’m already eyeing up channels featuring the P38…

[@hughmarcus1]

If you’re buying a D2, the petrol V8 is the one you don’t want. The TD5 is very tuneable & is a much better engine

[@PetrolPed]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Mrtallguy76]

@@hughmarcus1 this one was a freebie so I can’t complain.

[@system11yt]

A used car review of the PHEV Discovery Sport would be nice! Actually take it off road too, there are so many questions but they seem to mostly be purchased by people for school runs or commuting - I'm yet to find much info on how the power train deals with it on a low battery, or how different the off road is due to the split front/rear drive and increased weight.

[@dansutherland70]

Landrovers are unreliable because of the way JLR handle servicing. Very tight service schedules done to keep service pricing low mean dealers don't spot problems preventatively, and failures, when they inevitably happen are the sort that take days to fix and not minutes, there's nothing special about the components, they come from the same global supply chains which feed parts to all the other manufacturers, it's just poor maintenance, and in the UK reeeealy crap dealers. Security is a bigger problem and not really Landrovers issue. They just happen to be popular with buyers in parts of the world where a shiny 4x4 is both practical and desirable. The car theft epidemic stems from the use of Canbus and of the regulatory requirement to allow diagnostic access via OBD. Canbus is an open network, once you are on it you can do whatever you like, it doesn't matter what alarms or immobilisers you've had fitted. Hence thieves cutting holes in Range rover boots and taking headlights out of Citroens, because from there they can both start your car and disable any security devices connected to the Canbus. There is no alarm, tracker or immobiliser available which will prevent a determined, skilled thief from taking your car.

[@murrieteacher]

We took an original (modified) 2 door through the back of inland Queensland at the end of 1970 or 1971. It went everywhere. Up and down sand dunes, through flooded land (3 kilometres wide). The mods were larger fuel tank and suspension mods. Oh and a winch front and rear. No problems. My friends tried the same thing in 2015. It cost $6000 to get a flat bed out to pick it up. Gearbox failure. Now, the reliability can be lived with if when you claim for justified repairs, the Land Rover people will fight you every item on the list. They didn't have to go to court to get their money back as in the same year another person had taken them to court and they lost the case. It cost them about $750,000. The friends got a Landcruiser V8 and completed the research project they were doing. Peter they were good. But the support is terrible. They are not now built for Australian conditions. Want to drive to the centre of Australia? Get a Land Rover. Want to drive back? Get a Toyota. Sure they break too, but support is not a death fight. You and Matt from High Peak must be great friends.

[@richardhowlett7398]

Ahh for the old days when you put the key in and gave it a twist ! You knew when you looked out of the window in the morning, the car would be there . A friend had an Audi Q5 nicked in seconds one night . You get 100 miles down the road without the “key” , your other half has it at home , my neighbours more than once!

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@ChallengeStradalenf]

Great review Pete 👍 I suggest you disable the keyless entry and double press the remote and it deadlocks the doors👍 our sport is insured via Lockton no problem or silly premium.

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks for the tip!

[@SpacedOdyssey]

I only ever travelled one once with some company director buddy to Gatwick form the Midlands. He was elevated above all and sundry by his ride but I couldn't see the Point. It was high up with a Good view But So is a Transit Van. On returning to Gatwick a Week later, It wouldn't start, whereas My Toyota Avensis Started first time even thought it wasn't used for a fortnight

[@benfel9403]

It also causes knock on effects to older Range Rover models with Insurance companies taking the **** and charging a lot more for the ones that are not getting stolen under the excuse of it being a Range Rover.

[@timmo3351]

I think the smile that appeared when you started driving says it all! A lovely thing, think I’d choose a premium estate (no need for 4x4) but for those who choose these I can see the appeal. Great video as always 👍🏼

[@PetrolPed]

I totally agree!

[@adriangartland2533]

I’ve owned two Vogues and when they started they were great. Problem was start/non-start ratio grew to circa 50%. But that’s not why I moved away from Landrover. The reason was the customer service was the worst I had ever encountered by a mile. 🙁

[@PetrolPed]

It good 😢

[@kevincross9206]

Each to their own I guess. So many well documented and confirmed issues with JLR products, it’s amazing that they have the loyal customers that they do. Depreciation is nothing new on them, I had a neighbour 19+ years ago that took a massive hit on his Freelander, which is all the more painful as it is a cheaper product in the first place. Clearly JLR can’t be held responsible for organised criminal gangs, but they can be held responsible for their very lacklustre reaction to the issue, and as a consequence, are also responsible for the hike in insurance costs. There’s no denying the Range Rover is an imposing vehicle, and are extremely plush (powered parcel shelf - really 🙄). As you said at the end, JLR have a lot to do to correct the issues they have mainly brought on themselves.

[@owenmcdonald5922]

Another great review. To me, this is when you're at your best. I would be straight to my nearest LR dealer if my numbers came up. You should do a video comparing this with the Defender you're running.

[@MoJoAssets]

Never could figure out why more manufacturers don’t supply their own finance and insurance.

[@mykiman5955]

I know we had a slight disagreement over your last review of that VW but this video was excellent!!!!! On a quick point, my neighbour told me a few weeks ago that he is paying £305 a month to insure his RR!!!!!! Absolutely crazy stuff, im almost that for the year on my Supra!!!!

[@PetrolPed]

Wow…that’s a lot 😮

[@mudplugging]

My friend’s dad bought one home the weekend before they were released. I didn’t at the time realise the significance of it, I just remember it was so different and so imposing from anything else. His father was a senior shop steward and as such had considerable power over the management, this being several years before Red Robbo did his best to destroy the business, and before Michael Edward’s eventually won back control/sold it all off!

[@scofair1968]

It would have been interesting if you had got an insurance quote for this Ped and compared it to your other cars

[@charlotteanddavestorey6553]

I’ve got the Range Rover velar , I wouldn’t have anything else but range rover , comfortable, luxurious, on and off road .

[@LoveMusic785]

Keyless easily deactivated but without additional security the thieves can steal the old model by cutting a hole in the tailgate to access the wiring.

[@PetrolPed]

Yep. That’s the BCM I mentioned 👍

[@solentbum]

When I started driving in the mid 1960's most of the insurance quotes were based around 10% of the cars value, such was the premium for a new driver. Now as a greyhair my insurance premiums are starting to increase, due to perceived risk by Insurance companies. I wonder if much of the 'noise' from the media is down to selective reporting of a few people who are basically uninsurable!

[@adrianoliver6423]

I have a discovery 4 3.0L V6 2012 with 170k on the clock.. Love it & insurance fairly cheap £520. Tax mind you is over £600... Sod the electric cars.

[@mackas69]

Lots of love for LR & RR in the comments. Personally, I'd never have one. I've got friends that have had them over the last 25 years and every one has had issues with theft or suffered a catastrophic electrical or engine failure. There must be something about them though because they keep buying them....!

[@tonybarton3746]

Get one of those locks, which lock the steering wheel to be of the pedals , and faraday pouch your key .

[@dannymm]

According to the Land Rover security people, all the LR keys from 2018 are now using Ultra wide band so are now immune to the relay theft /code capture.

[@johnrose8983]

Absolutely love the full fat Range Rover. I see your friend purchased it from John Holland noticed it number plate, just up the road from me,but what a car absolutely stunning. Im sure JLR are trying thier upmost to sort out the security of these vehicles. Another informative video thanks. Land rover discovery 5 owner

[@reallynotpc]

On the subject of large wheels, my older (l405) car has twenty-inch wheels. I recently swapped the space-saver spare for a full sized wheel after a puncture a long way from home. I turned seventy last year, and am average size and still reasonably healthy, but hoicking the spare out of the boot well is absolutely at my limit of lifting, especially considering that you have to do the lift at arm's length across the lower tailgate. I doubt I could manage a bigger wheel now, never mind in five years' time.

[@jamesspicer5628]

Bring back the days of the old steering locks from halfords! No one could steal my R5 Turbo with that thing on!

[@PetrolPed]

Probably doubled the kerb weight too 😜👍😂

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

If I could afford one I'd have one. I had a test drive in a fully specced Velar and I loved it.

[@HawkMillFarm]

Even in an RR you look more comfortable behind the steering wheel than in the back. Lovely car, not sure about the wheels, a bit bling for me (sorry Mark!).

[@PetrolPed]

That’s my long legs fault 😂

[@alangordon8171]

Annual revenues for JLR in FY2023 were £22.8 billion. I don't think spending something like £10 million on the security updates is very much. Considering the potentially catastrophic reputational damage to the brand, you wonder who signed off on the £10 million.

[@PetrolPed]

I agree 👍

[@chrismcerlain1664]

dont care how flawed they are, I still want one.

[@PetrolPed]

Me too 👍

[@philedwards7174]

I know this video is now 2 months old, however I've just had my renewal advice from Admiral. £764.. Car is a 2023 D350 Range Rover Sport. Living in West Wales. I also have a BMW X1 23. M Sport, 2023 model. Renewal cost £652. So in comparison the Range Rover is acceptable.

[@fraser7744]

Understand that JLR warranty claims have dropped by a large amount since 2020, when the last of the legacy engines such as the V6 Ford/PSA diesel disappeared and widespread adoption of the PiviPro infotainment was established. There was also a major effort to reduce variations across the data and electrical systems. Standard warranty now is three years unlimited miles, extendable up to 10 years, 100.000 miles which seems competitive to me. KZbin is full of vids along the lines of 'I bought a fifteen year old range rover for £500 and it has cost me a fortune....' There is a reason expensive vehicles depreciate more than others. If you can't do the work yourself, or haven't the money to spend on service and repairs, better to stay away.

[@christopherhearn]

Love the Range Rover, especially the 3.0TDi. Car manufacturers generally could/should do a lot more to make their cars far more secure and less attractive to thieves. Deterrents such as more sophisticated immobilisers / tracking systems and parts security markings could be improved significantly and every relevant security detail saved to an international register.

[@mikadavies660]

I don't understand how Range Rover have NOT been able to resolve their reliability issues? How can 5 of the top 10 most unreliable cars be Range Rover models? I do like their style and interior quality, but now that the thefts are off the charts, I'm 100% out.

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

I think they have now.

[@mikadavies660]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 Kind of tricky... to spend £150,000 on a beautiful Range Rover.... just to find out 1) You can't insure it 2) They have OR haven't resolved their reliability issues!! Sadly for too many brands their flagships are flawed and quality appears to be coming down. 😪. Look a Mercedes S Class.... Used to be quality now piss pot engines and plastic interiors...

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

@@mikadavies660 if you've got £150 grand to spend on a car, I doubt the insurance is going to be a problem. And since 2022 with a change in manufacturing they've largely solved reliability issues.

[@mikadavies660]

@@Nickbaldeagle02 Who knows... around Essex it feels like everyone has either £150k or they are up to their arses in debt

[@Antaire]

Tried to convince my Dad not to get . He bought one and was a joy to drive and most comfortable seats and completely reliable. He sold it as insurance doubled last year.

[@PetrolPed]

Ouch 😫

[@robertmackenzie5850]

I do think the reliability issues have got worse since Tata took control of the brand

[@philipmichaelhughes5719]

Don’t forget the spare keys too! Put them in the house faraday box!

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@simonbird785]

As an alternative, not the b all and end all but how about deactivating the pointless keyless entry function completely. If I could on my car it would be done right away. I always lock and unlock with the key button anyway and it’s not caused me any inconvenience.

[@eastwood978]

or keep the keyless entry and have a Ghost immobiliser fitted. no key cloning no range extending the key signal even if they steal the keys they wont be able to start it.

[@hpman911]

@@eastwood978a friend told me that JLR do not accept the Ghost security system and it therefore invalidates the manufacturer’s warranty! Would be interested to know if this is in fact true or not.

[@mrkp1000]

Sorry, but I had a SDV8 Autobiography, and it was a nightmare from beginning to end. To many issues to list, and the LR dealer was the worst.

[@stevenbennett3922]

Think RR have just paused/stop offering the insurance cover.

[@dangreasley7934]

An amazing car. I've never driven one but I'm sure they are great. Fantastic review Pedro. The car security does seem a bit of an own goal though. Surely if it is a risk they need to change the technology. Like a key and a lock!

[@PetrolPed]

Cheers Dan 👍

[@terrybranaghan8251]

Hi I have been looking to buy a 6 month old Defender or Range Rover D300 MHEV to replace by C8 RS6 (superb vehicle but too powerful for every day use). Obviously, insurance will always be an issue with any performance vehicle but with LR thefts postcode is paramount. For example, with a Kent postcode my current 3 year fixed deal for the RS6 with S5 monitored tracker £955. Defender £745 and Range Rover £1450 all with £500 excess, 10000 miles and social only. Overall, the Defender is the most suitable vehicle but as finished with purchasing new vehicles finding the right options is problematic and still looking after 4 months. Great content.

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks for this 👍

[@michaelschneider-]

+1.. The above 6th generation Range Rover looks very upscale. .. A top shelf premium yet understated SUV with a British heritage. .. Range Rover's are a popular sight in Vail. .. "Some say" a bit aristocratic. ..

[@ChenQuiYakShiMash]

Range Rovers are beautiful cars. Just if they had the toughness of Volvos that'd be a Heavenly combo 🎉❤

[@paakwegyir3165]

just use the old and trusted metal steer lock... or install a fuel cut off device... you disable the fuel pump when you park...

[@andrewc6085]

Great video Ped, absolutely love mine - it’s a car for every occasion apart from some older multi story car parks…Great performance, good economy, it will do anything including outrunning some sports cars (and Tesla’s 😂). As you said, don’t knock them if you haven’t driven or owned one…. Haters move along please, nothing to see here…

[@PetrolPed]

Couldn't agree more!

[@robinoconnor1203]

The insurance renewal for my Cayenne rose by over £300 this year. Amongst many companies I spoke to, a specialist broker told me they will not offer insurance to new customers with Range Rovers. I keep our keys in a Faraday box, they can work. Would I choose an RR over a Cayenne? No.

[@eddiespeaks]

I don't know why manufacturers don't put a simple switch on the key. switch it on when you're about to go out and switch it off for the night. the RF pouch and faraday cages are overkill. it'll save battery on the keys too

[@michaelgilbert3311]

Awesome vehicle. Can i afford one NO. but still well pleased with my current Range Rover Velar and lucky i live in a lower risk area whilst insrance remains competitive.

[@josephgittos3787]

Such great looking cars and see why people with money buy these luxury motors

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@IanMacKinnon-nz3oi]

JLR really have to get their act together soon. Global sales are falling, the Jaguar brand is failing and investment in the company is not forthcoming.

[@Madonsteamrailways]

Not my kind of car, but it’s quite a good vehicle all in all!!

[@richardhargrave6082]

Its certainly evolved since 1970! I just can't see why anyone "needs" a car that big, but then all cars are getting bigger. I think its the 3rd, 4th 5th owners that let the brand down, they may be cheap to buy by then, but still expensive to maintain, so they cut corners and they break. The first thing I'll do when I get a keyless entry is to turn it off, keep exercising my fingers!

[@brianiswrong]

Simple insurance test. I got a quote on the car you are reviewing and got a quote of £1400 P/A 58 years old 9 years no claims No points De post code Protected no claims.

[@jayb2617]

but what is annoying is they waited until it was effecting them before they did anything to the entry system, they would not care if it was the customer that was losing money. same goes to the reliability, until people stopped buying them because of the stories that they heard they didn't even admit there was a problem. for 200ish thousand pounds they should be continuously updating and improving not waiting for us to tell them.

[@graham5649]

Hi, as already mentioned earlier put an on/off switch on the remote or get the car makers to stop putting keyless entry on cars It's not exactly hard to press the unlock/lock buttons. On my previous 2016Jaguar XFS there was a combination of fob presses to turn off the keyless entry which I did I wonder if other Jag/Landrover cars are the same. Check with your dealer or the forums.

[@JC-xw7ml]

For some reason no one reads an owners manual anymore, it takes about 5 seconds to turn keyless off on most landrover vehicles (done it on my defender)

[@Mandela_House]

Why not just stop making cars with keyless entry? Surely remote central locking is good enough? I have keyless entry on my Mercedes but never use it. I double click the lock button on the key to turn off the signal. For extra protection, I store it in a Farraday pouch.