Ranger Subclass Tier Ranking (Part 2) In Dungeons and Dragons 5e

[@TreantmonksTemple]

One thing about the Horizon Walker teleport not mentioned: If you start your turn grappled, restrained, etc, you can escape that condition before attacking for free.

[@shiranuiprestonsaga8867]

Yo what's up my fellow Optimancer didn't know you watch These guys

[@brettmajeske3525]

I had a Horizon Walker pre-Tasha's, and a monk. The HW out maneuvered the monk hands down, and the monk took the mobility feat. Force damage also overcomes most resistances.

[@Laukaus11]

And no spell components to deal with either. They're unbelievably hard to pin down.

[@noahmehringer29]

This would also help them get past things like Wall of force, or Force cage (granted you have to make a save/check to get through it but if you target three different creatures in a turn, you could have three chances to break out.

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@noahmehringer29 Personally, while I agree Gloomstalker is slightly better, I think both are S-tier given their defininitions. Frankly outside of combat, HW may even be the better class.

[@desmondfalakei7108]

My last character was a Gloomstalker, and at 5th level that character took out a flameskull in the 1st round. Granted I crit one of the 3 shots (all hit with Hunters Mark). The DM looked defeated, and I just had the character slump back into the darkness... group had torches so he stayed in the back... so it was the Batman moment of the Gloomstalker. Good times.

[@FrostCrispz]

My parents were killed by bandits outside the gladiator arena... Now I live in the Shadows killing whatever I feel is needed.

[@orarinnsnorrason4614]

I'm Batman

[@nathanaelpoole1369]

DMing for a small party with a lvl5 gloomstalker lvl3 assassin. Sharpshooter, crossbow expert rolled good stats. He can get surprise so easily, auto crit on 4 attacks (if he hits but has advantage most of the time) balancing encounters is... lets say interesting. Between him and the greatweapon master zealot barbarian the party pumps out so much damage they regularly face encounters for way past their level.

[@mayhemivory5730]

@@nathanaelpoole1369 You don‘t GET surprise. Thats why I hate the assassin rogue, it doesn‘t actually work. The enemy is the one being surprised. And that depends on the lowest stealth roll in the entire party. So unless everyone is a rogue or the druid casts pass without trace, no one is going to be surprised. Ever. Unless you go in alone about 100 feet ahead of the party.

[@nathanaelpoole1369]

@@mayhemivory5730 that is exactly what happens, well around 80ft, with the wizards familiar perched in his on his shoulder so the rest of the party (just the wizard and barbarian) know when to move forward. He shoots moves 40 foot towards the party. I get that it is the enemy who gets the surprised condition.

[@mattfitzgerald7836]

Kelly talks Monty into upgrading his ranking ??? Inconceivable !

[@Technotoadnotafrog]

It happens sometimes

[@MiffedTralongo]

I play a Horizon Walker in a campaign I'm in and my DM made the detect portal a passive ability which was very cool. It's definitely a subclass that I believe truly shines if your DM helps with certain story elements.

[@asherandai1000]

I think having as a passive ability is a really great idea. My initial thoughts were basically "when am I ever going to be in a position where I even know to use this ability, let alone can gain some info I didn't already know?" It has such a short range, and such a specific purpose for something that almost never even comes up, or just that no one really thinks to put random planar portals in their campaign. Making it a passive ability I think gives the power to DM to use it as a plot hook/point, while letting the player still feel like it was them that was useful. Without it being passive it's short range pretty much means you already know the portal is their because you pretty much have to be looking for it to be close enough.

[@grizzlyb9984]

@@asherandai1000 i have a setting in which most things from dnd exist, and there's plenty of wierd shit randomly put on the map. Because of you, Planar Portal is another entry on that list. Thank you.

[@davoid1792]

My parties campaign is sent in the Moonshae isles, I’m a Ffolk descended ranger who’s grandparents were brutally slaughtered by the Eladrin during their initial invasion, so he’s harboring a bit of a grudge, and it bleeds into blatant racism but he’s working on it, the point is: he’s able to detect moonpools or whatever they are called that are basically Druid-protected wells of wild magic that can function as portals. Our party is dealing with an unseelie incursion unleashing goblins and other fey onto the isles, so my guys abilities shine during the main storyline, but side content I’m mostly sidelined since most of my abilities are focused on extra-planar enemies rather than standard enemies. So being a Horizon Walker is like, perfect story wise and gameplay wise

[@willmena96]

Kelly: * Calls the Monster Slayer a Monster Hunter * Me, not realizing I usually say it wrong too: "I'll allow it"

[@kazeindelsawakno520]

Maybe they play too much Monster Hunter from capcom and it's stuck with them.

[@allseeingalmond782]

only if they travel with a 3 foot tall tabaxi sidekick.

[@danboud8135]

The fact that I would not have noticed either (if not for the prompts) kinda tells you everything about how impactful this subclass is.

[@derekhandson351]

I thought Monster Hunter was a Fighter homebrew?

[@urquimedes4459]

Holy shit the Monster Hunter counter. I was dying laughing. I really appreciate the self-deprecation humor.

[@CooperAATE]

Monty fixed it, you guys. Lol

[@andrewmanzo8217]

It was either that or do it all over again. That's how you turn lead into gold.

[@davidrh6373]

My wife was giving me the side eye as I watched it cracking up

[@michaelsinclair1343]

@@andrewmanzo8217 so one of them is a transmutation wizard?

[@evilsquirrel0573]

@@michaelsinclair1343 probably Monty, cause there’s no way Kelly isn’t an evoker

[@theyonlycomeoutwhenitsquiet]

I think I speak for the whole community when I say this: We await your video on the subclasses of Tasha's Cauldron with great anticipation! May the day come swiftly!

[@Naramiah]

Yes! I just started a campaign with a swarmkeeper and I'd like to hear what they say about it.

[@KB-fk3jj]

@@Naramiah Same here, tell me about your character

[@Naramiah]

@@KB-fk3jj she has a swarm of pixies and she knows each one by name. At first glance they look like a bunch of bugs which can cause people avoid her or be uncomfortable around her. She wants to be everyone's friend, but also gets nervous around people because she isn't used to meeting new people. Her charisma is - 3 which is becoming a big issue in the campaign because she's one of the only humans and they're trying to infiltrate a group of racist antimagic terrorists. She really hasn't been doing well in battle which kinda makes me want to try to fix her combat, but I like the visual concept of what I was going for so idk.

[@Naramiah]

@@KB-fk3jj tell me about your character!

[@KB-fk3jj]

@@Naramiah That's nice! My character is a Lawful Evil Wood Elf, a Fey removed a curse from Cass and bestowed a rat familiar, which gives him the rat swarm. Eventually he'll change and become good to work with the party better. He's a hired killer from the Criminal background, combat is pretty good but I'm deciding on either the alert or elven accuracy feat

[@chrismack3949]

The Gloom Stalker is definitely S Tier. You have to remember the dark vision/invisibility trait as a DM. It would make me smile when the Evoker couldn't sculpt spells around the ranger, because they couldn't see them.

[@aganaom1712]

Xanathar's ranger are near universally fantastic. I've never seen anyone complain about the capability of those subclasses. Honestly i might even wager that if hunter got unique subclass spells, that could pretty easily push it into the level that xanathar's subclasses are in.

[@brettmajeske3525]

I homerewed subclass spells for both hunter and beastmaster. It reaally helps the two classes. Although with the Tash's, the extra spells may make Beastmaster too powerful.

[@aganaom1712]

@@brettmajeske3525 what spells did you give hunter if you dont mind my asking?

[@brettmajeske3525]

@@aganaom1712 I'd have to go look it up, Hunter's Mark was one the list, but frankly I think I would revise since some of the new spells in Tashsa's are a better fit.

[@jimmybob7873]

I also came up with subclass spells for the Hunter and Beastmaster. Ranger Level Hunter Spells Beastmaster Spells 3rd Shield Find Familiar 5th See Invisibility Warding Bond 9th Slow Phantom Steed 13th Hallucinatory Terrain Dominate Beast 17th Hold Monster Awaken I followed three guidelines when choosing the subclass spells: 1) A spell can't be on the Ranger's spell list from the PHB and XGtE. i.) So no Hunter's Mark for the Hunter or Animal Friendship for the Beastmaster. 2) A spell shouldn't be already be a subclass spell for another subclass i.) A notable example of a duplicated spell is Banishment, which the Horizon Walker and Monster Slayer both have. 3) A spell should fit the themes of the subclass to which it belongs. i.) The Hunter gets spells that are about combat and hunting, while the Beastmaster gets spells that are about exploration and animals.

[@aganaom1712]

i think if i were to give hunter unique spells i would consider things along these lines: 3rd- expeditious retreat 5th- find steed or enhance ability 9th- protection from energy or dispel magic 13th- resilient sphere 17th- hold monster

[@The-0ni]

My only knock against the Gloomstalker having played one is your invisible while in darkness to even creatures with darkvision. Can't tell you how many times I couldn't get blessed or healed with healing word because nobody could see me lol

[@Wannybooi]

The longer i play my horizon walker, the more i love ethereal step. At first, it felt like an extremely niche ability that would not come up all that much but after using it to: -phase through a roof with detect magic on to inspect someone's magic item collection in a heavily guarded room -sneak up on a very slippery rogue with 0 chance of being detected -walk out of a froghemoth's belly after being swallowed I can safely say this spell offers amazing utility combined with a very strong get out of jail free card

[@izaac05]

When you say, "the weakest feature here is getting proficiency is Wisdom saving throws." That really says a lot.

[@shaneconnolly4747]

especially given how wisdom will probably be one of a ranger's best abilities, and is an extremely common saving throw.

[@izaac05]

@@shaneconnolly4747 Exactly! Well said.

[@saintpoli6800]

@@shaneconnolly4747 Not to mention if you already have proficiency in it, you can pick between Charisma or Intelligence.

[@greybearddnd2417]

Also the Gloomstalker getting a single attack and a single D8 to your overall damage once per combat, seems to be better then Colossus Slayer getting it once per turn (Polearmaster / Sentinel might get it on reaction attacks again) Gloomstalker is pretty weak in my book.

[@silentdrew7636]

@@greybearddnd2417 and free advantage to all attacks made in darkness, which varies widely between campaigns.

[@Hromovlad1]

Monster Slayer is a life-saver when dealing with a DM who is super against meta-gaming, or one who loves to homebrew enemies also when dealing with new or rarely used types of enemies

[@bradwillis7415]

#Facts

[@herrkrabbe148]

14:14 this is where Tasha's Favored Foe comes in. I honestly believe it is an ability people have yet to learn how to use. Instead of using your bonus action to Zhephyr Strike or Hunter's Mark you instead use Favored Foe for no additional action cost. That still leaves you with your bonus action for Planar Warrior

[@derekhandson351]

Unfortunately it's counted as Concentration but it is more relevant than Favored Enemy which is only one type of creature.

[@travisdonaldstanley6420]

Hello. With Favored Foe, do you add an extra 1d4 on your next turn if you hit the marked creature again? If so, then a Ranger with a Long Bow could really do some damage. After three rounds you have gotten up to a 3d4 extra damage. That's way better than Slayer's Foe with a 1d6, which can't grow each turn. But there is no contraction which is nice. But, you could stake Favored Foe with Slayer's Foe! One I did was allow the Monster Slayer, once the marked creature got with 60feet to have the option to stop progressing the d4 damage, not take the 1d6 and no longer need concentration. This means the Ranger can keep pouring on the damage to a huge beast, and then have the option to cast a concentration spell as a bonus action. Thanks for reading

[@travisdonaldstanley6420]

After looking over the internet, it appears that you are maxed out at a 1d4 with FF until the sixth level. That is fair. You could get up to 5d4 extra damage in five rounds and you still have 5 more to go!!! But, what I did was greatly upgrade the Hunter Sense feature for the Slayer. Once they get 60 feet from a monster they can use an action to learn their weaknesses. Once you do this, you can start adding d4 every round if you hit (must have the FF ability) It would be wise to try and get some distance from the beast and then set up a trap and just keep connecting with your long bow. Once the creature is then 60feet from you (that's too close for comfort) you can start staking Slayers Prey and FF!! But you must keep your concentration. You could stop progressing d4 and not take the 1d6 and no longer need concentration. What ever works best. If you are up to a 5d4, and the beast is getting close (60 feet), switch over to Slayer's Prey and keep that 5d4 going and you don't need to worry about concentration (Constitution saving throws). You will not get the 1d6, but uou are fine. But, you can't add anymore d4s. Now you can cast Z step as a bonus action and retreat if necessary. The monster is so close that it will soon attack you in melee combat. Hopefully you have damaged it enough. You may know that it is resistant to piercing damage, so all that damage was only doing 50% 😳 I agree that Monster Slayer is missing that over the top ability that will help the party slay a beast that requires multiple rounds to slay. C is a fair score.

[@nikolaosgordatos1635]

I live for the moment when two gloom stalkers have to fight each other in darkness... And they can't see each other! 😂😂

[@Hollyclown]

Its like that one episode of Samurai Jack when he fights the shadow ninja.

[@TainakaRicchan]

High level Rangers (18+) get Feral senses, meaning they dont get disadvantage agaisnt targets they can't see, so yeah, this is still going to be a very very deadly battle wich confuses everyone else.

[@CallenExile]

I did this when my party had to fight their doppelgangers. They just left it to the player to try to figure out where he was. xD

[@davidbond59]

I’m just imagining justice league Batman vs justice lord Batman

[@MageLeaderInc]

Blindsight for the win

[@moodyfingers7301]

Ah, Yes the Good Stuff from the best Dudes.

[@CmdrTom]

Gloom Stalker Ranger: Are you afraid of the dark? .... you will be.

[@waterpolonum1]

CRINGE!

[@snazzyfeathers]

@@waterpolonum1 The only thing cringe here is you.

[@waterpolonum1]

EXTRA CRINGE!

[@prasanthnaidu9999]

I played a variant Gloom stalker with both Sharpshooter and crossbow expert. With just hand crossbow I wrecked a lot of things in the first round of combat and proper positioning.

[@jirimaly6019]

nah, heavy crossbow and u use bonus action for hunters mark,,, thats wrecking..

[@brandonvanscoycloud6469]

I actually really don't like crossbows on rangers. You are MUCH better off with a longbow and having bracers of archery. You have higher minimum damage that way and have a much larger range to work with. You don't have to worry about reloading with a longbow and basically gain either an ASI or feat slot when you drop crossbow expert. You should never be within 5 feet of someone and shooting realistically so having no disadvantage on ranged attacks while within 5 feet of the target doesn't really do anything. That ASI can be out to much better using even just adding to your Wisdom thereby not only increasing your spell dc, but actually making your initiative bonus higher. On too of something like alert, you can get up to a +15 to initiative giving you an almost guarantee that you'll act first in combat. That maxed with some multi-classing can make the build extremely deadly. I personally prefer 3 Assassination Rogue/3 Gloomstalker Ranger/ 14 Battlemaster Fighter build. You can, even at level 9, do a high damage in the first round of combat. You'll even still be able to apply pressure to the enemy in the following rounds if your party doesn't decimate the enemy in one turn

[@brandonvanscoycloud6469]

Just did the math and rolls and ended up at 231 damage in one turn at ninth level with 3 in Rogue, 3 in Ranger, and 3 in Fighter though I think my math may be off. I ended up with 16d6, 24d8, then added 42 from the six attacks with +7 from having 20 dexterity and 2 from bracers of archery. Let me know if my math is wrong

[@TheRobversion1]

@@brandonvanscoycloud6469 this is how i play gloomstalkers as well. Very deadly especially if you're playing solo, playing in the right party or your party cooperates. I prefer a different spread though: 12 battlemaster, 3 gloomstalker and 5 assassin. I gain uncanny dodge and extra 1d6 sneak attack dmg this way (losing 1 indomitable use).

[@TheRobversion1]

@@brandonvanscoycloud6469 i am curious as to how you can reach 6 attacks when you dont have extra atk yet with this spread. the most you'll.have 1st round is 4 with action surge.

[@alexi2235]

Zephyr Strike/Planar Warrior is such a fun combo early on for Horizon Walker. Pop the spell on your first turn and then spend the rest of the combat kiting in and out of combat.

[@joemnex7198]

I usually just throw down Hunter's Mark round 1 and then the rounds afterwards use the planar warrior as my bonus action to deal the d6 and the d8 damage

[@pivotcreator2]

Yeah I really don’t understand giving it crap for not synergizing with hunters mark. it takes your bonus action to use, okay... are you saying you’re keeping your mark on something more then one or 2 rounds?

[@jacksteppenwolf6975]

@@pivotcreator2 thats's the thing; most encounters are 2-4 rounds, with multiple enemy creatures. imagine each creature lives 1-3 rounds. Turn 1 you use HM on one creature, turn 2 planar warrior; turn 3 creatre dead, you move HM, turn 4 (if it gets there) use of planar warrior, end of encounter. So in order to get 1 or 2 turns of d6 + d8, you used 1 spell slot; and took two turns just doing a d6 instead of a d8. Sure if you are against a boss that will stay up 3+ rounds it is great to use, but otherwise losing a spell slot just for 1 assured turn of usefulness is not worth; even less when planar warrior goes up.

[@jareddavidson6654]

You really don’t even need to use hunters mark with this subclass. You basically get a better hunters mark. This frees your concentration to use better things.

[@Mrryn]

@@jareddavidson6654 It also helps if you choose to use the optional Favored Foe featured in place of Favored Enemy, since FF is treated as concentration (thus also not stacking with HM) but doesn't use an action to proc, leaving it up to use with PW

[@johncox7169]

It is amazing how all of the Drow suddenly live in well lit rooms once I started playing a Gloom Stalker. (Yes, that seems to be the response to my character always being invisible in the dark.)

[@erikmory6910]

11 levels of Gloom stalker plus 9 levels of Assassin rogue equals DEATH.

[@rcschmidt668]

Vao!!

[@troydombrosky359]

I like Gloomstalker 5 & Assassin 15 for big sneak attack bonus.

[@Hollyclown]

You can now say, “Nothing personal kid.”

[@TheRobversion1]

More levels in battlemaster fighter is better. 12 battlemaster, 3 gloomstalker, 5 assassin. Can do 8 attacks 1st round at 17th level and attach maneuver dmg+effects to 5-7 attacks (7 with martial adept and superior technique fighting style).

[@aaronwhitrock4666]

I’m currently 3 dip assassin, 3 dip monster hunter fighter (for superiority dice/extra skills,) 6 level gloom stalker. Opening round, two attacks standard, bonus action dual wield attack, action surge for two attacks, extra attack from gloom stalker. All crits if I go first, with advantage on and wisdom to initiative. Gloom stalker has lots of great multi class combos.

[@MrZrbrownie]

Wait wait wait... Did KELLY just persuade MONTY to change his rank? Thats the true highlight of the video.

[@havocwrecker6305]

FINALLY THEY’RE GONNA DO ROGUE NEXT!

[@RavarSeer]

In b4 warlock steals the show

[@Jerzzylo]

Swashbuckler is going to be s tier

[@havocwrecker6305]

@@RavarSeer hex blade is gonna be the best we already know

[@havocwrecker6305]

@@Jerzzylo Swashy and Trickster Gotta be S-Tier. With the new feats in tashas I ultimately think Swash is the best rogue now.

[@bosunbones.8815]

I hope so! I'm on the verge on going Soul Knife and I want to hear their thought!

[@megatenshi]

I'm really glad that Horizon Walker turned out so well. It was always a build I enjoyed in third edition!

[@jonathanvanoostveen5309]

Once again with the Horizon Walker we see that with their bonus action additional d8, we could then also use new favored foe for another d4 - d8 depending on your level which makes the choice of not going for hunter's mark a little more viable as well.

[@euchiron]

I love Kelly's take on the Horizon Walker. I've never played a Ranger and I want to play one of these

[@Sheamu5]

I really want to try fey wanderer and swarmkeeper

[@noahmehringer29]

Calling the rankings now, I think both are solid B, not quite as good as HW or GS, but still solid and Fey Wanderer can actually make your ranger sociable instead of just straight dumping CHA. I could be wrong but that's my opinion.

[@Mrryn]

@@noahmehringer29 I actually think Fey Wanderer is at least comparable to the Horizon Walker, if not better. The bonus spells are roughly equivalent, and the bonus damage abilities, while better in terms of damage for the HW, doesn't require your bonus action for the FW and isn't restricted to 30 ft like HW. And the other features are roughly equivalent overall, with abilities like Distant Strike and Spectral Defense for HW being very good balanced by Detect Portal and a once per rest, one turn etherealness being very situational, while FW gets summon fey for free and can cast it without components and do it for free once per rest, an Uno Reverse on charm/frighten effects (including on the creature that tried to force that save), free bonus to social skills, and getting free misty steps and the ability to take someone with you may not be as strong but are good abilities across the board. Btw, Druidic Warrior fighting style/Magic Initiate Druid to grab Shillelagh to go Wisdom primary in this subclass is hilarious.

[@prophetisaiah08]

I've been playing a Tasha's Beast Master for about a month and I'd definitely put it in S tier. It's an absolutely amazing generalist class, making a great secondary healer and tank, and still doing enough damage to be considered a primary front-line character. Doing Druidic Warrior for Shillelagh and Guidance and making WIS your primary stat seems to be optimal for a melee Beast Master.

[@Sellesion]

The Horizon Walker Detect Portal ability may seem niche, but when my DM described the villain using Dimension Door to escape my party, it became very useful. Detect Portal has a mile+ range- far beyond the 500ft range of Dimension door. My HW was able to track the where the villain exited his mini dimension pocket thing, with ease. Now, I can imagine a determined DM ruling against this, but it makes a use for Detect Portal, out of a much more common situation in DnD than planes-hopping.

[@beantownbanshees]

I wish this was RAW, because teleportation detection or finding where a Demi plane or rope trick is has some interesting applications, but unfortunately dimension door doesn’t actually open to a pocket dimension or create a portal

[@AL-hs3zl]

My current Pc is a ranger I fully intended on making a Monster Slayer. Then, we got very attached to our axebeaks and now I’m having a blast playing my beastmaster.

[@ElijahAllenEpsilon]

I love the counter so much guys! You guys do great but having the ability to laugh at your own mistakes and just go with it says so much (good) about you!

[@THEGRUMPTRUCK]

For those wondering the extra attack on Dread Ambusher, as I hear a lot of people at my table ask about it. Say you have a Heavy Crossbow (1d10) If you trigger your extra attack with Dread Ambusher and you hit, you deal 1d10 + your dexterity modifier + 1d8. It's a very strong first turn ability.

[@EpicCoolman1]

I love the incorrect name use count! Hahaha Kelly is the man!

[@bcaiko]

BWAHAHA - I wouldn’t have even noticed the wrong name usage if the hilarious “Incorrect Name Use” counter didn’t come up. You two have such a fun sense of humor. It’s nice to see you having fun and not taking yourselves too seriously. Thanks for the smile.

[@Pedro38906]

The monster slayer should be rewarded for exploiting enemy weakneses by dealing even more damage, or gaining advantage, or adding some status effect when enemy weakneses are exploited

[@tek181]

I was unsure about these ranking videos at first and now they are some of my favorite 5e content on youtube! You guys are great!

[@pardalote9138]

I would say monster slayer excells when you dont know the dnd monsters and are new. It excells when you have no meta knowledge

[@pardalote9138]

As a side thought with the way dnd 5e deals with resistences and vulnerabilities inherintely makes it worse. If vulnerabilities and immunities were more common you could actually class it as s class just because it allows your party to fight effectively.

[@PunknPixels]

Keep in mind that Distant Strike doesn't actually use your bonus action, it's part of your attack action, so you can cast misty step. You absolutely have the ability to teleport behind someone, stab them, teleport to another target, stab them, and then misty step your way back to cover (while still having your movement).

[@SocialTuesday]

How is there already a thumbs down in less than half the time it takes to watch the video after it was uploaded? People kinda suck, generally.

[@RavarSeer]

H8rs gonna H8

[@ryuku2]

People just hate hunters, apparently

[@iododendron3416]

From someone playing a ranger before XGE came out.

[@samueldinges2130]

I think it’s also worth noting that the bonus action ability turns that attack to force damage. Virtually nothing has resistance to force damage. Not relevant all the time, but helps the ranger still be able to pull that Striker roll against powerful foes with tough defenses. Not quite as good as “all your attacks are treated as magic,” but still a useful ability.

[@thomasbdugan]

100% agree, Gloomstalker is literally built different. I'm running one that is splashing 4 lvls of rogue and Gloomstalker ranger then will take the rest of my levels as fighter. He hits sooo hard. I do about 34 avg dmg per shot at lvl6. Hunters mark, favored foe, Sneak Attack, sharpshooter, and Luck all packed into one shot hurts like a truck! Plus being invisible that whole time, nutty!

[@thomasbdugan]

First level as rogue, then 4 levels Gloomstalker, next three levels as rogue, then the rest of the way fighter. Assassin rogue and battlemaster fighter for those subclasses as well.

[@blockprime3006]

I'd like to add something for using etherialness, you can Use it to bypass traps, get into enemy back lines, transport items you are holding like bombs or corrupt Magic items, Walk or dash through walls, or impassible objects in the material plane, six seconds of invisibility unless they can see the etherial plane, getting through natural hazards that misty step can't cover, and so on

[@dtczyk8976]

Now I want to play Monster Hunter World again.

[@ikekobrinsky5517]

Looking forward to your Swarmkeeper analysis

[@Voriclexx]

Horizon Walker is my favorite ranger subclass. I love the idea of teleporting around the battlefield

[@BlubberNotBubble98]

I wanna make a gloomstalker/rogue multiclass now XD Just imagine standing in the dark just hitting sneak attack everyhwere

[@ender4101]

Just add Bugbear into the mix and you're golden.

[@urosbrkic3370]

I'd say that know your enemy is quite cool and not as mechanical as you say. I see it as a Trevor Belmont knowing the weaknesses of the things you hunt :)

[@fearlessbird9422]

That's exactly how I think of it. It just would be a million times more useful if more monsters had vulnerabilities

[@KingYejob]

With the monster slayer i think it would be better of instead of learning resistances and immunities you should learn strengths and weaknesses, which would be up to the DM to decide. For example, you could use it on a vampire and learn that they die in water

[@matthewcrowther890]

Okay the cut when they were both losing it over the portal joke was actually gold, I’m glad they kept that in.

[@benjamink6778]

“It’s good with a ranged attack build.” Literally the only way I’ve seen a ranger make an attack in 5e.

[@TheTdroid]

Rangers need a bit more support for melee combat. Multiattack Defense for Hunter is pretty good at that, but it comes with the rather large opportunity cost of having to be a Hunter instead of nearly anything else.

[@nicolasvillasecaali7662]

where a Gloom Stalker is a ghost who can devastate his target quickly in combat with the tools to gain the upper hand, a Rogue assassin is an infiltrator who gained the trust of his enemies and already started the fight with his target smiling from side to side of his neck. one is an ambush assassin, the other is a Yo-nin Ninja (specialized in hiding in plain sight), both do the job done in WAY different forms, the ranger can find more easily this situations in the wild, the rogue can do the same with more work, but in situations where other approach is impossible.

[@Scarycrow89]

Ah, yes... Monster Hunter, the famous subclass.

[@DiscardatRandom]

Geralt of Rivia approves

[@Hesauce]

Monster Hunter from Monster Hunter approves

[@piedpiper1185]

Don't lie. You probably call it Monster Hunter, too. I know I do. 😏

[@DiscardatRandom]

@@piedpiper1185 he’s right you know

[@snazzyfeathers]

@@Hesauce I hereby demand that the Monster Hunter class must use a ridiculously oversized weapon made from the organs and bones of monsters they've slain. Oh, and they acquire proficiency with a Hunting Horn at third level.

[@matthewbaldwin3595]

Been looking forward to this one!! I’ve really enjoyed all of the tier lists so far, thanks Dungeon Dudes!

[@GunnerM60]

Spoiler: There are portals in Descent into Avernus. Horizon Walker feels useful. -Hunter needs to upped 1 tier. It doesn't outright suck, but I agree that Horizon Walker and Gloom Stalker are better, but Monster Slayer is too specialized. Hunter is a good, solid, & vetsatile middle tier subclass! It's needs to a "B"!

[@Casino220]

The reasoning for hunter being C is that there is never any hypothetical scenario where it feels S. Its just not strong in a meaningful way. It can't compete with the higher ranked subclasses even under its best conditions.

[@NoBuddy89]

@@Casino220 I dont really understand it tbh... Gloomstalker is almost always multiclassed, and its all about frontloading the first round of combat... Gloomstalker/Assasin with 3 attacks and autocrits along with sharpshooter seems the most common.... But doing the same with a rogue/hunter you get much more consistent damage throughout the entire fight and not just the first round of it....

[@mikepowers8607]

Gloom Stalker is the D&D equivalent of a Special Forces soldier. Operates in the dark/night, gets in, does the job, and gets out. Big down side to an archer Gloom Stalker is ammunition. You WILL burn through arrows/crossbow bolts at an insane rate. You'll definitely need to pick up the Quiver of Ehlonna (and negotiate with your DM to put arrows in all the compartments) and use it alongside a regular quiver.

[@adnagapot]

I listened to TAZ, zone of truth is the most important spell in the game!

[@wavemaster4891]

Sorry Gloom Stalker doesn't just get auto invisibility/surprise attack to things that rely on seeing in the darkness. The creature may smell or hear your footsteps or jingling items on your person.

[@Antares-dw9iv]

That's still invisibility granting you automatic advantage against anything that doesn't have blind sight, true sight or devil sight and invisibility does make stealth significantly easier. I think the issue is more that fighting in complete darkness just doesn't happen that often.

[@rossstubbs7398]

Two things about Dungeon dudes. "I think Polearm master fits really well with this arcane ranged wizard" and "you've convinced me". I love them😂

[@starbird3939]

Fey Wander & Swarmkeep: (Stare out in window with teary eyes)

[@snazzyfeathers]

I don't know if they forgot it or if they'll make a part 3 honestly but it makes me sad. Maybe these videos were recorded before those were released? I don't know

[@mathiasikit]

Both terrible

[@DungeonDudes]

We did not forget. As we've said repeatedly, we'll be covering thee new Tasha's subclasses once we've actually seen them in play. They only came out 2 months ago.

[@Ninebreaker56]

I once made a character that used slayers pray, hunters mark and a vicious weapon to create a high damage dealing sort of samurai. And I loved it.

[@BLynn]

So does the Horizon Walker, if they could collect Booming Blade, make it a better option since you can "BAMF" away requiring the target to chase after you if they want to hurt you thus triggering Booming Blade?

[@nathanblakley]

You can’t BAMF after the attack. It must be before. It doesn’t work like you think

[@codywynn6534]

Also, when you cast Booming Blade, you’re not taking the Attack Action. You’re taking the Cast A Spell Action.

[@hawkthetraveler6344]

"my favorite subclass I don't like" - nice explanation of that idea as well. Nice editorial guys :)

[@chazzle3459]

I really like these videos but there is something that irks me a little about their rankings. They always deem it as a negative when you have to choose what you're going to do with your actions/bonus actions and I fundamentally disagree with that perspective. Having one obvious thing to do every turn is boring, I want to make meaningful choices.

[@apersonwhocomments1901]

That and I think there overall ratings are usually to high

[@raider363]

I know y'all aren't considering multiclassing but with the Gloomstalker if you take a 2 lvl fighter dip then you can use action surge to get dread ambusher's extra attack TWICE in the first round.... meaning at lvl 7 you can be firing off SIX ATTACKS probably with advantage. Really crazy stuff.

[@reedster222]

One interesting option now for ranger subclasses that use their bonus action for abilities like horizon walker is to use the new favored foe optional feature in Tasha's instead of hunters mark, decent concentration use especially early before things like haste come online.

[@derekhandson351]

Plus no spell slot.

[@AZero887]

So my very first character I ever made in my first d&d campaign is a Monster Slayer Ranger, and while I am not very experienced he has been the backbone of many encounters we had with our first time dm, we've been running this campaign for about half a year and most campaigns are trivialized once my character got its stuff online, the ability to identify creatures and finding out resistances and weaknesses has become very useful as late when i remember it, it might just be the campaign where he's useful because its somewhat of a mystery, and i made him a soldier as a background specifically a scout, so i suppose i lucked out in that synergy in my inexperience, ive been able to use most features and spells at some point to positive effect in the campaign I dont rp him really much as a monster slayer type, having a different feel to him but its there, he's the silent one of the group (fits my personality so it would be easier for me to get into the game), I have fun with him though, also helps that our dm let us start with a lower level magic item for i campaign and i went with the Cloak of Elven Kind so

[@GramGramAnimations]

As I’m watching Kelly say “Monster Hunter”, I find myself unable to recall what the actual subclass is called haha

[@GrassPokeKing]

Berenstein Bear effect in action

[@АлександрГусев-в7щ]

Monster Slayer and Horizon Walker received interesting buff with Tasha. Favored Foe doesn't require bonus action, but competes wih HMark for concentration. So these two can now squeeze in additional damage without sacrificing their 3rd lvl abilities, which is great.

[@cesargeney5268]

Ok, I agree, the "monster hunter" is really "meh". But what about the "monster slayer"

[@kparish05]

Holy wow!! Kelly got Monty to upgrade Planestalker - fantastic example of how these two DO think differently and thus compliment each other 🥰. Love your different takes on stuff. I know you don’t grade in RP stuff or on niche abilities so much, but I like when you remind players that these neat niche abilities ( if they are good) - also can give GMs ideas on how to vary their campaigns to be different than just straight ahead , uncomplicated combat 👍

[@ozymondiaz4031]

In a shorter fight the gloom stalker is the best. A boss fight, Horizon walker excels at long term damage

[@S0nyb1ack]

Another good option for the horizon walker - a 10ft range polearm with polearm master. Teleport 5 ft back and attack and move 5 more feet back - if they want to "reengage" you get a new opportunity attack in. Even stronger with a bugbear since you can teleport the full 10ft away and hit with your 15ft range - even avoiding the "issue" of melee combatants that have a 10ft range like giants and similar.

[@jennyoutrageous]

I'd wanna play a Monster Slayer multiclassed with a Grave Domain Cleirc to really push that kind of Diablo-esque gothy evil destroying demon hunter.

[@44tuck3r]

An additional note regarding gloomstalker - creatures with blindsight and truesight, even very powerful creatures, tend to have it within a certain range. A gloomstalker with a longbow or heavy crossbow and the sharpshooter feat can more easily stay out of a 60 or 120 foot blindsight range, so that they are still invisible.

[@themonkeys96]

See, I've always struggled with gloom stalker invisibility since it could be a straight debuff. Youre in darkness, no one has a light source because the whole party has dark vision and never prepped light source, and the enemy has blind sight, tremorsense, etc.. Congrats, your allies can't buff you and you gain nothing against the enemy.

[@themonkeys96]

Also, want to see a good monster slayer? Strahd. Slap protection from evil and good on yourself and magically your insanely tanky.

[@noahmehringer29]

How many enemies are going to have both blind sight and Tremor sense? Plus some buff spells are touch based that don't require sight (Haste). Also most adventurers start with a pack of some kind that usually includes torches. And any magic user probably has at least one fire spell or a spell that will illuminate an area. If a DM throws a monster or pack of monsters at the party that has blindsight, tremor sense or truesight, and you're not above level 7, you're either playing a really gritty game, or the DM built the encounter specifically to f@#$ your party.

[@themonkeys96]

@@noahmehringer29 from haste "...A willing creature you can see within range..." so no, haste wouldn't work. And correction, itd only be blindsight or true sight. And a gray ooze, which has blindsight and would counteract the invisibility, is present in waterdeep dragon heist in like the second dungeon. Also 1.) youre assuming the players remember they have torches. 2.) You're asking a player to give up a hand and a whole turn to light the torch. Or ask them to give up a cantrip slot for light, even though if you were any other subclass this wouldn't be an issue. 3.) Even barring the situation where you don't get the benefits from the invisibility, the defensive aspect of it is majorly reduced in power if you're using the suggested sharpshooter for the additional attack. And advantage is pretty easy to get access to anyway. So its not as strong as one would think, while also having the debuff of little to no buffs from allies. 4.) I range a one-shot boss fight with the tashas alternate abilities and the ranger pretty much stayed invisible the whole time already with natures veil. So higher levels the thunder is SERIOUSLY reduced.

[@alexcurtis6180]

Currently playing my first ever D&D campaign and I'm playing Fleet, a Tabaxi Gloomstalker, slightly influenced by Veo but with his own flavor. I love it so much, he's a joy to play. He gained his Gloomstalker abilities by the boon of a fairy queen and just kind of fades into invisibility whenever he enters shadow. An Outlander who is not really interested in social graces, he's nervous and sometimes scared in social situations but he thrives the moment he jumps into the trees, longbow in hand. He's searching for his twin sister, who left home to become an adventurer but who hasn't been heard from in a while.

[@asherandai1000]

I had to do a double take when reading your character story... One of the players at my table is playing a Flight, a Tabaxi Circle of Dreams Druid who left home to seek adventure away from her overprotective twin brother...

[@mandocomando9444]

You forgot the most amazing feature: a human who can see in the dark and doesn’t need a torch to go anywhere

[@fenzelian]

The new Tasha’s ranger class features work great with the horizon walker - planar warrior stacks just fine with favored foe and neither ability uses a spell slot, which is great because protection from good and evil can be really great. But the bigger problem it solves for the horizon walker is the horizon walker is designed for campaigns where you look for portals to different planes, and jumping around from world to world means there’s no point in selecting a favored terrain or enemy at level 1 that’s going to make any sense. But expertise in stealth or even perception can be really sweet.

[@patrickcanttype]

Nice video! I totally agree with your rankings in this one. I think some people overestimate the monster slayer because of the counterspell power, but I think it's the weakest subclass now that Beast Master got a nice buff. Kelly made some great points about Horizon Walker that I've never thought of, these discussions are great!

[@Boone_Faustus]

Adding the Mobile feat to a Horizon Walker would allow them to run away from the enemies after they teleport in next to them for the melee attack, which can add even more maneuverability to the subclass.

[@deadpoolrwbyfan8419]

Honestly, I really like Monster Slayer. The way Slayer's Prey is worded, it works on your reaction attacks as well, so if paired with Sentinel or Mage Slayer you deal some pretty decent damage. And Sage Advice confirmed that Slayer's Counter works on concentration checks, so you're reliably going to use it every round, dealing your extra damage from Hunter's Mark and Slayer's Prey and automatically succeeding on your concentration. Edit: I do agree that the 11th level is a bit underwhelming though

[@bkray26]

And, to add Mage Slayer + Monster Slayer gives you advantage on saving throws from spells in melee damage, plus 1d6 from Slayer's Prey against saving throws and grappling from your designated target. I think this will be a very good combination, seeing as I am about to enter Curse of Strahd....

[@deadpoolrwbyfan8419]

@@bkray26 do keep in mind, the 1d6 to saving throws is worded exactly the same as Slayers Counter, so it works on Concentration spells as well. I think you’d be pretty set for Strahd

[@Supernichtpatrick]

As a Horrizon Walker player I can tell you that at the point planar warrior gets 2d8 it should be superior to hunters mark in almost every way. 2d8 is more than the maximum of 2d6 on two attacks, you are actually able to use distant strike without losing hunter mark damage, you convert damage to force (which I find especially useful when used in combination with absorb element, because you convert the dealt damage which the enemy is most likely resistant to to force). And it doesn't use concentration which you might need for haste or another spell.

[@mattjones3490]

Good rankings, but one thing not considered is that you get ethereal step at 7 and distant strikes at 11. This is providing the HW with an escape ability before getting the (later) offensive powers of distant strikes. So you can teleport 10 feet and attack up to 3 times (not requiring any bonus action) and then use ethereal step to gtfo, and still reposition to disrupt the positioning of the enemies. I think both hw and gs are neck and neck on S class.

[@SgtsPepper11]

For the Horizon Walker, note that the Distant Strike ability doesn't require a bonus action. Meaning you could reasonably blink up to 30 ft by teleporting in, attacking three creatures, and then Misty step out as a result of having it in your spells now. Along with this, the Planar Warrior feature feels like "different" Hunter's Mark to me, rather than a decision between them. E.g., if you've taken the Horizon Walker subclass, you're most likely choosing to forego Hunter's Mark in favor of Planar Warrior - which is totally fine, since the alternative they give you is so similar

[@carnage2332]

I think there are a couple tweeks you could make to improve the Monster Slayer to A/S tier. 1. Change Zone of Truth to Detect Thoughts. 2. Slayer's Prey rework Starting at 3rd level, you utilize your knowledge of foes, increasing the harm you inflict on them. As a bonus action, you designate one creature type you can see within 60 feet of you as the target of this feature. The first time each turn that you hit that target with an attack, it takes an extra 1d6 damage of a type of your choice. This benefit lasts for 10 minutes or it ends early if you designate a different creature type. You can use this feature a number of times equal to your Wisdom modifier (minimum of once). You regain all expended uses of it when you finish a short or long rest. (this works well with the other level 3 feature and helps distinguish that you're good at dealing with a creature of X type, especially when you know what it's vulnerabilities are) 3. Add a new level 3 feature [Rooting them Out] Starting at level 3, you use your expertise in dealing with deadly creatures that threaten the realm to delve into their lairs and vanquish them when needed. You gain resistance to all saves and checks made against the lair actions of a creature and any lair action attacks made against you are made at disadvantage. Once entering a dungeon, cave, lair, etc. you become aware of their ability to use lair actions, but not the actions themselves or the specific creature. If there is a creature within; your vast knowledge of creatures and their signs grants you this insight. 4. Magic-User's Nemesis rework now [Monster's Nemesis] At 11th level, you gain the ability to thwart a monsters innate magic abilities. When a creature of the type specified by your Slayer's Prey, that you are aware of, within 60 feet of you uses one of its racial abilities, casts a spell, or tries to teleport you become aware of that fact (but not the specific ability) and can use your reaction to try to magically foil it. If the creature has a CR equal to your level the effect is negated. If it has a higher CR than your level make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the creatures Constitution Modifier. On a successful check, the ability is negated. What do you all think? I personally feel this matches the intent of the subclass a bit better while not making it game breaking.

[@Gimpocalypse]

“Unless they’re a monk...” just killed me.

[@evilatredes]

I love the Gloomstalker combined with Assassin Rogue and Fighter. You have a DPS nightmare, and Intimidation potential for playing mind games with enemies. Definite S tier.

[@k.w.mcgregor5147]

Throw in some paladin for smites and you got a stew going.

[@caerdwyn7467]

In a campaign like the one I run in which extraplanar threats loom large, the Horizon Walker ranger in our group has been S-Tier. Knowing those abilities exist within the party has liberated me, as a DM, to put in a variety of adventures, subplots and story elements (as well as a secret society of planar defenders) that has enhanced the game for everyone.

[@danboud8135]

The Horizon Walker nudges S tier for me. It serves a role that's different than other rangers and that's crowd control. The way it can distribute damage across multiple targets is staggering. Yeah, Planar Warrior eats into your Bonus Action economy but having the flexibility of picking your target each round is more useful than you'd think. And honestly, once you hit 9th, Hunters Mark takes a backseat to Haste. Horizon Walker may not be your first choice of Ranger Sub-Class to play but you're always happy to see one in the party.

[@WoollyLuke]

I really appreciate the research & experience you put into your videos! I’ll gladly wait for the 3rd instalment. Also, I tend to always listen to you at 1.25 or 1.5 playback speed, & I used to think of that as a drawback, but I realized in this video that the reason I can even do that is because of your diction & clarity of thought, so thank you to your theatre training & hard work!

[@travisdonaldstanley6420]

Hello, I found a way to spice up Monster Slayer 3rd. Hunters Sense. Action . 60 feet away. Add this also: You also get Uncanny initiative (you get advantage on initiative order rolls, and if you are with a party, you share the highest roll in your party), and Advantage on saving throws against being frightened in the presence of the Monster. These new features will last until the following happens. Monster is dead. Monster is banished to another plane. Monster users divination magic to stop your from sensing it. You use Hunter Sense on a new Monster. If you are able to do some Reconnaissance you can use the Hunters Sense for this, after you use the Action: If you concentrate for 1 minute (10 rounds) on the monster and it fails a Will Power (Wisdom for those who play RAW) saving throw against you, roll a d20 for a feat to use against that monster until you take a short or long rest or until the Monster is slain or banished. This feat can only work on the Monster you concentrated on. You do not get to increase an ability score 1. Sharpshooter 2. Great Weapon Mastery. 3. Sheild Master 4. Slasher 5. Crusher 6. Piercer 7. Charger 8. Crossbow Expert 9. Dual Welder 10. Grappler 11. Polearm Master 12. Savage Attacker 13. Sentinel 14. Crusher 15. Fighting Initiate 16. Tough 17. Alert 18. Elemental Adept (must be for a spell level you can cast, and the first time doesn't use a spell slot unless you cast up.) 19. Mobile 20. Observant If you are later tracking the monster and it dies, and or is banished to another plane you will be alerted by the DM. If the monster makes the throw it makes a perception check with advantage to try and find you, and has advantage on the first initiative roll if warranted, and you can't use Hunters Sense on it again until after you take a long rest. Merry Christmas Monster Hunter, errr Slayer. 2022. Good luck. 60 feet is not far for a Huge Monster. Better have that Z Strike B.A. on speed dial.

[@mattoliversd]

I played a duelist Horizon Walker with the mobile feat in a Curse of Strahd campaign and it was probably the most fun character I've ever played. The only complaint I had was that there were too many options to use your bonus action on, but by the time I had mobile, I was all over the map every battle and it was a blast!

[@greyskies9]

I've been waiting for this video since the first part - I was curious for the argumentation for the Gloomstalker and the Horizon Walker, given that Kelly and Marty vindicated the Hunter's C ranking with their existence, and well... in my opinion, it falls short. When comparing the rating for the Hunter and the Gloomstalker, it becomes rather obvious that an exciting and unique class concept (which the Gloomstalker, compared to the bland Hunter, definitely has) is a big hidden factor in the ranking. Here's my gripes with the video: - 'If you're in a party where everybody has darkvision, you can always have advantage' - for starters, arguing that this is good for parties where everybody has darkvision is per definition a niche (B-tier) benefit. Second, this argument means that a party could facilitate it so every encounter is during the night / in dark areas, which is just... not realistic at all. Hey guys, the king has summoned you to his totally not ambush scenario, oh well, do you mind if we come at night and actually could we please meet in the basement? ...in fact, I'd argue that fighting in true darkness is rather rare in D&D; you usually have either dim or bright light to work with. Yes, you might be able to facilitate Darkness in some encounters, i.e. by snuffing out torches in the typical dungeon - but it is *very* likely that one or multiple party members would have to expend actions and/or spells during combat to do so (and if your enemies rely on light, they might just counter those efforts). Even when you're in complete darkness, there's also a minor downside - allies can't reliably heal or buff you. - The amount of extra damage you get for your Dread Ambusher extra attack in your first round typically is 1x weapon damage + 1x Hunter's Mark when compared to a Hunter with Colossus Slayer, which means the damage likely breaks even in the 3rd turn. Dread Ambusher is great against multiple enemies, where taking somebody off the board early is always more desirable, but clearly inferior during battles against few strong foes (or long battles in general). - Stalker's Flurry is great in combination with Sharpshooter or Great Weapon Master. But if you don't miss attacks it is useless (If you're playing a typical bow ranger with 20 DEX and +2 to ATT - how often do you miss?), and it is redundant if a Gloom Stalker is actually in darkness and already has advantage on ATT rolls anyway. - Shadowy Dodge is also nice, but I think it is clearly inferior to the Hunter's Uncanny Dodge. Don't get me wrong, the Gloomstalker is great, and I'd agree the S ranking is justified. You'll sometimes have blank advantage and invisibility, and to do a lot of damage early is great when fighting against multiple enemies. The Gloom Stalker's spell selection is also pretty darn good. But Umbral Sight is somewhat situational as a combat ability, and it cannibalizes on Stalker's Flurry. But the C-ranking for the Hunter? According to the rating scale - 'Limited features which rarely come up in play, doesn't synergize with base class features'? Sorry, but that is just nonsense. The Gloomstalker might be superior, in particular utility-wise (pairing him up with a rogue for an infiltration duo is amazeballs), but on a broader level those two classes aren't nearly that far apart.

[@rachelkersten4457]

Currently playing a Gloom Stalker Ranger Rogue. 5 levels in GSR so far, plan on taking rogue to level 3, so that umbral sight advantage guarantees a sneak attack hit. Cast Zephyr Strike as a bonus action at the start of combat for a whopping three attacks first round. Base dmg Base dmg + d8 (US) Base dmg + d8 (ZS) And with advantage add a d6 to one of them. Love the gloom stalker ranger!

[@greyskies9]

If you're casting Zephyr Strike, you don't need Umbral Sight: [Sneak Attack] Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack if you have advantage on the attack roll. Zephyr Strike already gives you advantage.

[@DJFootfingers]

The build I have in my mind for Horizon Walker runs with polearms. It allows you to leverage reach with the teleport to get you to attack things that would otherwise not quite be in range of a straight melee. Dual wield is kind of shot for HW anyways because of the bonus action economy. Polearm Master isn't as necessary again because of the Bonus Action Economy (it's still good for the reaction though especially if you can fit Sentinel in the build), but you can roll with Great Weapon Master and use the teleports to leverage flanking attacks. Take Favored Foe as the alternate level 1 ability and it applies on hit rather than also burning your spell slots on Hunters Mark and you can use your level 1 slots for longstrider, goodberry, and the like. Horizon walker is really really good with the alternate Ranger ability options.

[@lildemon6816]

I'm in a star wars reskin 5e campaign, and I'm using a Ranger with plans of going gloomstalker, and multiclassing with fighter for a Mandalorian build. Currently only lvl 2, but my favored terrain is urban and enemies are humans/sith pureblood. Working pretty good so far. Was gonna go into cleric, but I feel the ability to stack so many extra extras will play, and rp better. As I'm a pureblood myself, hunting other force users though my own powers are suppressed, unusable, given up. Such fun!

[@quintenvoorhees9974]

I love the gloom stalker. Free dark vision, and extra attack with damage, situational invisibility, and getting to refill an attack combined with sharpshooter is awesome

[@ProfessorJabir]

Kelly talking Monty up instead of Monty talking Kelly down is DEFINITELY something I’m here for.

[@TheAroxor]

With the new addition of Thrown Weapon Fighting, a melee-thrown Horizon Walker Combo can be the slipperiest character