Ranking ALL 25 Factions! | Twilight Imperium

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Create your own Tier List here: tiermaker.com/create/ti4-faction-tier-list-with-keleres-15104845 Make sure to post it in the Discord!

[@llamatar]

Text version of tier list (+ timestamps) [T1] Absolute Favorite: Winnu [T2] Consistent Fun: Mahact Gene Sorcerers, Naaz-Rokha Alliance, Federation of Sol, Xxcha Kingdom, Argent Flight, Vuil'Raith Cabal, Nekro Virus, Embers of Muaat, Ghosts of Creuss [T3] Will Choose Regularly: L1Z1X Mindnet, Yssaril Tribes, Universities of Jol-Nar, Naalu Collective, Titans of Ul, Arborec, Emirates of Hacan [T4] Will Choose Sometimes: Barony of Letnev, Empyrean, Council Keleres, Yin Brotherhood, Nomad [T5] Pay to Play: Mentak Coalition, Clan of Saar, Sardakk N'orr 2:43 Arborec: Will Choose Regularly [T3] 4:03 Argent Flight: Consistent Fun [T2] 5:19 Barony of Letnev: Will Choose Sometimes [T4] 6:45 Cabal (Vuil'Raith Cabal): Consistent Fun [T2] 8:13 Empyrean: Will Choose Sometimes [T3] 9:33 Ghosts of Creuss: Consistent Fun [T2] 10:49 Hacan (Emirates of Hacan): Will Choose Regularly [T3] 11:59 Jol-Nar (Universities of Jol-Nar): Will Choose Regularly [T3] 13:34 Keleres (Council Keleres): Will Choose Sometimes [T4] 15:17 L1Z1X Mindnet: Will Choose Regularly [T3] 16:13 Mahact Gene Sorcerers: Consistent Fun [T2] 18:26 Mentak Coalition: Pay to Play [T5] 20:08 Muaat (Embers of Muaat): Consistent Fun [T2] 21:53 Naalu Collective: Will Choose Regularly [T3] 23:12 Naaz-Rokha Alliance: Consistent Fun [T2] 25:23 Nekro Virus: Consistent Fun [T2] 27:13 Saar (Clan of Saar): Pay to Play [T5] 29:00 Nomad: Will Choose Sometimes [T4] 30:19 Sardakk N'orr: Pay to Play [T5] 32:34 Sol (Federation of Sol): Consistent Fun [T2] 34:40 Titans of Ul: Will Choose Regularly [T3] 36:06 Xxcha Kingdom: Consistent Fun [T2] 38:06 Yin Brotherhood: Will Choose Sometimes [T4] 39:26 Yssaril Tribes: Will Choose Regularly [T3] 40:32 Winnu: Absolute Favorite [T1]

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Mad Respect

[@devilmaycry273]

Thank you bro

[@andrewhoffman1087]

A power meta would be interesting. I'm pretty sure my playgroups is very different than the actual meta. Also, I'm glad to see a tier-list that doesn't just abuse the top tier section, and just putting everything up there if it's even only, say, an 8/10.

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Sounds good! I’ll get to it at some point here. Yeah, I prefer to put most things middling unless they have a huge pull one way or the other

[@SigurdBraathen]

"The meta" may only apply to the online TTS/TTPG players, I suppose. I've played in more or less in three different locations and meta can really vary depend upon the players, yes.

[@ccarren9078]

Heck yeah make a vid on the meta list

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Sounds good, mate

[@ccarren9078]

Also I agree about agenda pack idk if I’d pay premium money but I’d def shell out to get more interesting agendas. PoK brought some kind of interesting ones but the deck could def be beefed up more

[@davidemaj5683]

A vid on meta list!! Best ranking video about TI4 out there

[@jasoncrews4249]

The last game I played I was the Winnu. I was the weakest militarily but I had made a strong allegiance with one of my neighbors. I took Mecatol round 2, started racking up points from controlling it, and just when the other players thought they had stopped me I popped my commander’s ability to use Imperialism to score the last two points I needed to win.

[@zachdonohue3568]

Just did about the same thing in my last game. Was able to swing 4 points in one round, ended up closing out the win with their commander before we hit stage 2. Underrated faction for sure!

[@mrquatch]

They let you get Imperialism?

[@jasoncrews4249]

@@mrquatchI was playing up not being able to get any of the objectives that came up, they really weren’t in my favor based on initial board set up. I also took it first when able or made sure I could the next round.

[@charleshixon1458]

Oh man Barony is the best. Can’t believe you feel that way! The trade good changes to barony that POK brought were absolutely insane. Their ground game with the mech felt powerful, but the best is that their constantly riding this battle of tradegoods. They need tradegoods to constantly deploy mechs, they need it to use their rerolls, but every sustain damage brings tg back. You ride a wave of power when your are successful, but sudden stark poverty causes you to drop significantly in power.

[@heinrichbernstrom9]

A power level Tier List would be great!

[@faberson4078]

This weekend we are playing Twilight Imperium with 7 players. Argent (me), Naaz-Rokha, Empyrean, Creuss, Xxcha, Sardaak and Mahact. First time we play TI4. Some of us played TI3 before. I'm looking forward to the new game.

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

That’s super exciting! You’ll have to let me know how it goes. Hopefully you like the Argent as much as I do

[@k2k4]

I'm in a similar position. I'm between excitement over playing and fear that I'll rely entirely on the game owner for assistance doing anything. And of couse i want to win, otherwise why would i be researching to hard

[@Emanon...]

Favourites for me: Naaz-Rokha, Argent, Empyrean, Ghosts, Muatt. Granted, Ireally enjoy the loopy factions that aren't necessarily the most powerful, but if they work, it's a hell of a ride! Least favourite: Vuul-Raith, Saar, Arborec, Yin, Mentak

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Oof! Poor Cabal. I’m surprised they don’t get added into your loopy factions!

[@oliverb5395]

How do you have only 8k subs? Underrated channel! Comon KZbin algorithm :P

[@enderblazefuision]

I would love to hear your takes on the meta lists

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

There’s a lot more interest than I thought! Looks like I’ll be making that video!

[@Kangstor]

So far loving the content due to circumstances me and my friend always wanted to play TI but couldn't find it in here until I ordered it from local amazon along with expansion. So far only one game I manage to play a 3 player one where we got L1z1x, muaat and Cabal (we choose a smaller pool of factions for draft and others were Jol-nar, Sardak and Naalu). I got the Cabal and won the game with a close call (points were literally 10, 9, 8) I will have next game tomorrow (literally in 12 hours) to set it before hand we decided on map and draft with a random generator. It will be a 5 player game with Sol, Argent, Titans, Ghosts (me) and whatever last player choose among remaining 6 faction in pool (yin, Arborec, Muaat, Mentak, Letnev, Cabal) Hopefully we will have some aggressive fun like last time :P I am very interested in Necro but it didn't come up in our pool of choices yet still I am glad I tried Cabal. (I want to play Necro because they feel like Borg from star trek with the technology steal and what not and in a sense with the capture mechanic Cabal were also a bit like Borg)

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Wow, that’s a ton of TI!

[@coltonward8592]

When you make a power list: Show overlays for components, like when you say “mirror computing” or “the jol nar hero ability”, if I don’t know what you’re talking about already I’ve got to go look it up. Thanks!

[@SilverDragonAcademy]

I think my list would be vastly different. I'm much more of the diplomatic / shady playstyle. Very much "Littlefinger" energy with less backstabbing. The social aspect of the game is my favorite.

[@sergeigen1]

How about a video where you describe a few styles of play, and then talk about wich factions pull that off the best

[@ImperialGit]

Played with the new Xxcha hero once, and we considered it to be very very broken. Might have to give it another go, but that one game scared us all quite a bit XD

[@InternetGoSchool]

Definitely I did like to hear about the meta list

[@Andy_Quest]

Great video 👍🏼

[@BillHarvat]

When you put Mentak at the bottom I knew your list was not for me. They are absolutely awesome. Mirror Computing is only really something you get in the final turns. If you do get it early you're going to be singled out as a bad guy. Their Ambush ability rules. And having lots of cruiser pirate ships is a blast. Absolutely in my top 3. Mentak is great especially if you have a Hacan player to steal from consistently. Overall your list was fun to listen to. It shows just how different game groups can be. And how differently people feel about factions.

[@1989yt]

I agree. I have also never experienced them as being overpowered. Most people I've played with put them in below average. All the more reason as to why I'm curious about the meta tier list.

[@jessedijkstra1220]

really nice video, interesting to see all the different opinions. though i have not played all races yet i think yssaril or naaz-rokha would be my favourite. also happy to hear sardak guide is coming. one question i had was why does mentak take over the agenda phase? i dont believe they have any political abilities right?

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

They do not, you are correct. Thank you, and the N’orr guide was fun to make. I don’t know why I was thinking that trade goods could be spent in the agenda phase for a moment. Whoops!

[@jessedijkstra1220]

@@CardboardCrashCourse would make mentak a lot stronger, kinda like new xxcha

[@picivyvortac2641]

With winnu you either win early or get your teeth kicked in and spend the rest of the game spinning out. I love them.

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

I love them too. Long love the weaklings!

[@Chris-yj2qd]

I am very intrigued by your take on the embers of muaat. Will you be doing a faction guide for them soon?

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Yes sir!

[@arturbloshchak6354]

It is so painfully to see mentak on that place, since 4 times in a row I had to play them due to random selection. Well, yes, they are kinda annoying to play against, but for me Naalu is the worst, not be able to attack them without losing your tokes and being attacked with dozens of fighters almost every round.

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Very fair. Naalu can be a serious pain to play against. To be honest, I don’t mind playing against Mentak very much. Just as them.

[@DeathByEwoks]

Didn't realize until watching this video that my three favorite factions to play were the first three in alphabetical order

[@pacmanly]

If you ever do another Tier list, do you think it would be possible to use the "faces" of each faction, instead of the token symbol? I have trouble remembering faction sigils. Also, it would be cool if you started with the base game factions, built a tier list for the base game without PoK, then rearrange them for PoK, and then add the new factions. My group got into this game playing the base game, and so much content for the base game seems a little dated

[@JPG-bh4im]

definitely would like to see a power level ranking...though everyone knows that the real S++ faction is the Val'raith cabal lol

[@barelyprotestant5365]

Winnu is one of my favourites as well, though Nomad is my top favourite.

[@absol1975]

Yeah yeah, cool, gameplay tier list. You know what we need? A LORE tier list! ... I'm not biased, you're biased! =p

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

We ABSOLUTELY need a Lore tier list ;)

[@absol1975]

@@CardboardCrashCourse I'd be happy to consult or whatever if you wanted, or even just answer questions so you can get the full picture before doing your own v personal ranking.

[@NAYOBULL]

This is aweosme

[@UnderKingDuck]

So out of curiosity, cause I agree with you when it comes to the laws, have you tried Shattered Ascension? I been trying it recently with a friend and 100% I would pay to have their agenda system and laws added to TI4. Though of course there would need to be a few changes to make it all work.

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

So, my group has never played a full game of TI3. I’d love to hear more, though

[@UnderKingDuck]

@@CardboardCrashCourse Well me and a friend just tried it the other day just doing a 1v1 to understand some of the mechanics, cause it just a "bit" different from TI4 which is what we came from, and so far my favorite mechanic is how agendas work. Pretty much each players draw two political cards and then places one down in the "Twilight Council" at the start of the game. Then if someone picks the assembly card, it kind of like the politics card from TI4, then the person using assembly can either claim the speaker token and and pick three agenda, however you can not pick your own. The other option is to give the speaker token to someone else and then you can select any agenda to vote on in the council and pick 3 more agendas that you either will also vote on or discard. Then when player votes you vote all at once with all your votes between all the different agendas (or one if you picked only one). Like overall the system is great and I did not even include something else you can with it, but that is more in line with victory points which also is very different. Overall it's really cool. Can learn about it here www.astralvault.net/games/SA/index.php/learning/

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

If you join the discord, we can talk a lot more TI. I like the way that all sounds. Drafting for agendas at the beginning would be a lot of fun to implement

[@UnderKingDuck]

@@CardboardCrashCourse Alright ill hope in the discord. Maybe then I can even get some more people to try SA. :P

[@cmart006]

Would you be able to do guides for TI prior to the expansion?

[@nathanstruble2177]

Way late to the party, but are we gonna get the power teir list?

[@QazwerDave]

Do the pure power list !!

[@chrisdriesse3763]

Hmmm I played the sardak last Saturday and I had alot fun. Tbh im not an experienced player, and I did had fun action cards. Like the Messiah and parley. Maybe give it another go;-)

[@raustzeal4212]

yes please for power list

[@BlakeJose-d5n]

Yssaril tribe is my absolute favourite, because my favourite game is definitely Star Wars Rebellion

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Winnu being at the top of a fun tier list is insane. You probably just haven't been punished for playing them hard enough.

[@ImperialGit]

Been saying it for a while: Barony needs some Codex loving :'D

[@ImperialGit]

Also: lore of Keleres makes no sense. The races are in full-on war, and then: "Hey, let's build a UN!!". Get outta here XD

[@zaist]

I want to see it!

[@nathanaelthomas9243]

Out of curiosity, being new to the game, what factions are considered the most powerful by the community? There are so many unique abilities that I’ve never seen in play yet that it’s hard for me to say one way or another if something is super situational or game changing.

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Very rough meta tier list (not in specific order within the tiers): S+: Winnu (assuming you don't get stomped into the ground for playing Winnu) S: Naaz Rokha, Nekro, Yssaril, Sarr A: Naalu, Jol Nar, Titans B: Mahact, Keleres, Sol, Xxcha, Hacan C: Empyrean, Argent, Nomad D: Barony, Cabal, L1Z1X F: Mentak, Sardakk, Yin, Muaat, Ghosts, Arborec F-: Winnu (assuming you get stomped into the ground for playing Winnu)

[@nathanaelthomas9243]

@@afriendofafriend5766 lol, those poor Winnu. Thanks! I’ve only gotten 4 games in since owning it and haven’t cracked open the expansion yet.

[@arkadiuszs5037]

Insanely good TI content! I would love to hear your expert opinion on the said "raw power" of the factions. Ignoring the changes and possible fixes implemented through the codices (which I've just learnt about and won't be able to print just yet😢) which 6 factions would you consider the most "broken" - either too weak or too strong in comparison to the bulk of the better-balanced factions in the game? Not taking into account the complexity of the factions but instead assuming everyone knows how to use each faction's potential. For my next game I want every player in my 6-player group to pick a race out of 3 randomly drawn. That's why I'd like to specifically eliminate 6 beforehand.

[@lemonpartyfan457]

Which factions do you suggest for a new player? 4 of us have played like 8 times but we have someone coming that has never played. I know the base game has suggested factions, but I'd rather have your opinion

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Emirates of Hacan, Argent Flight, Federation of Sol, or Barony of Letnev are probably the 4 easiest to grasp.

[@Veto2090]

Do a power tier list

[@kevinbrazee3778]

Haven’t gotten through the video yet and a newbie to TI4 but between the base game and the expansion I thought there were only 24 factions. What is the 25 one?

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

The 25th one was added as a printable official Faction, called the Council Keleres. They can be found here in the 3rd volume of printable rules updates, called the Codex: images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/35/e1/35e10f37-4b6d-4479-a117-4e2c571ddfa7/ti_codex_volume_3_vigil_v2_1-compressed.pdf Thanks for the question, welcome to the game!

[@mikerand1980]

Here's the fix: "The Sardakk N'orr" - OMGGGG Gaming Changing

[@afriendofafriend5766]

Thinking that Sardakk starts slow is evidence you haven't played them enough. They can be terrifying in the early game.

[@drewnitz7968]

I WOULD DIE FOR MY YIN BROTHERHOOD!!!

[@lmollea]

TI3 had a nice addition to the agenda phase - think they were called "agents" and could create a lot of havoc.

[@drlv3250]

Can’t agree with the winnu, I don‘t like their strategy, it‘s pretty stiff. Their hero and the +2 two hits are awseome, but boring in some way. Winning with them after a early mecathol rush seams bit like cheating. I like Ghosts, Nomad, Yssaril, an Saar since they are so flexible.

[@akadam90]

after shitting on sardakk norr for so long i decided to pick it for our next game because we have POK, but starting to regret my decision. Sometimes my brain gets an idea of something i want to pull off even if it has nothing to do with winning i cant think of doing anything else. I had plenty of other factions to pick instead, why do i do this to myself haha

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

You mad man!

[@RagamuffinChannel]

Vinnu one love

[@jasonmp85]

Why is green worst and red best wtf

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Lol

[@nickysagan]

Sardakk N'orr, The

[@ayogruenbach]

nice work. thank you very much. i belong now to the 10% of your viewers

[@CardboardCrashCourse]

Thanks for sticking around :)