Ranking All Rifles in Hunt Showdown

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Planet Shenanigans

Planet Shenanigans

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@ieatscousers6443
@ieatscousers6443 Жыл бұрын
terrible vid
@some_dummyhead9880
@some_dummyhead9880 Жыл бұрын
Facts honestly
@mrwhite-rh8lp
@mrwhite-rh8lp 11 ай бұрын
True
@obi-wankenobi5411
@obi-wankenobi5411 11 ай бұрын
Pin of shame
@ieatscousers6443
@ieatscousers6443 11 ай бұрын
pin of pride @@obi-wankenobi5411
@AlanMichael02
@AlanMichael02 11 ай бұрын
Fr this video is terrible
@ragerontilt4778
@ragerontilt4778 Жыл бұрын
Invalid opinion right out the gate
@Mr_Pumpkins
@Mr_Pumpkins Жыл бұрын
Agree
@iSolz_
@iSolz_ Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@martiniman9430
@martiniman9430 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@rau661
@rau661 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@radiatedcockroach5564
@radiatedcockroach5564 Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@ignacioquijadau
@ignacioquijadau Жыл бұрын
The better you get at the game, the more you realise that the actual top tier s gun is any winfield +fmj or hv.
@armening303
@armening303 Жыл бұрын
fact bro
@raccoon3287
@raccoon3287 Жыл бұрын
Cope
@arsenez.2432
@arsenez.2432 Жыл бұрын
When I feel like I want to play sweaty this evening I just take Winnie C + HV.
@ObliqueXuba
@ObliqueXuba Жыл бұрын
Hv windfield with levering is crazy
@zypeLLas
@zypeLLas Жыл бұрын
True.
@vezrabuto7496
@vezrabuto7496 Жыл бұрын
the moment it said winnie is shit and mosin is goat this video lost all meaning. winnie is literally top tier
@fluffyzombie9669
@fluffyzombie9669 Жыл бұрын
It might be looking at them before traits and ammo types. In which case the whinnie certaintly isn't amazing especially when in contest with the mosin and lebell.
@cobraqueen555
@cobraqueen555 Жыл бұрын
When you compare it to other rifles it's obviously not very good, but when you think about how versitile it is and how well it can be used for any fight it really does stand out. Can be used for close range mid range far range, especially with it's buff to range. The Winnie is definitely A tier weapon because of how much it can do, but it's not amazing at anything. Tis a jack of all trades and one of my favourite weapons to use
@buzzkill8214
@buzzkill8214 Жыл бұрын
I think he's just memeing, guys, don't take it too seriously.
@juli_nwa
@juli_nwa Жыл бұрын
deathbreath
@vezrabuto7496
@vezrabuto7496 Жыл бұрын
@@juli_nwa pure beauty that thing
@gnatfuzzguy4275
@gnatfuzzguy4275 Жыл бұрын
this guy makes me think he plays cain…
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Deckhand usually, cain looks a little too stupid for my taste.
@dunderpickle28460
@dunderpickle28460 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetShenanigans but that’s why Cains “the goat”
@sawadhossain2502
@sawadhossain2502 Жыл бұрын
@@PlanetShenanigans well the fact that you called winfield shit, makes me think stupid will fit you just right.
@martinrojas412
@martinrojas412 Жыл бұрын
@@dunderpickle28460 THE GOAAAT
@IrateWizrd
@IrateWizrd Жыл бұрын
​@@PlanetShenanigans hell yeah dude. Deckhand and Carcass gunrunner
@whiskydippins513
@whiskydippins513 Жыл бұрын
Only a coward uses long ammo, a real man misses every single shot point blank just to stab the guy
@buzzkill8214
@buzzkill8214 Жыл бұрын
*Enter 3 stars* Only chaos in those servers.
@sorasora1477
@sorasora1477 Жыл бұрын
xDDDDD
@leiserstachel836
@leiserstachel836 Жыл бұрын
That's what i'm doing just without the stabbing part.
@aceofthewest5884
@aceofthewest5884 Жыл бұрын
@@leiserstachel836 same man
@Fuzzymandias_
@Fuzzymandias_ Жыл бұрын
That's why the best ones are the riposte variants babyy!!
@phosphor112
@phosphor112 Жыл бұрын
This tier list: "It's the biggest piece of dog shit"
@siralw1382
@siralw1382 9 ай бұрын
I swear this dude is a 2 star lol
@cielopachirisu929
@cielopachirisu929 Жыл бұрын
Winnies Trash Tier while Nitro is in Yeah Baby? Levering + FMJ would like to have a word with you!
@fluffyzombie9669
@fluffyzombie9669 Жыл бұрын
I believe its looking at them as rifles before the different ammo types. Or traits. In which case the whinnie isn't anazing but functional
@cielopachirisu929
@cielopachirisu929 Жыл бұрын
@@fluffyzombie9669 If it is, it's not presented as such!
@ComfyChroma
@ComfyChroma Жыл бұрын
Ive been playing this game for YEARS, and i think I’ve died to the nitro maybe 4 times.
@bush967
@bush967 Жыл бұрын
I think the winnie is good gun to call it a piece of dog shit was to far
@TacoCrisma
@TacoCrisma Жыл бұрын
I think we can all agree the Springfield compact is dogshit.
@goranbratos2097
@goranbratos2097 Жыл бұрын
The winfield is literally the best, most versatile gun in the game if you just put 6 points worth of traits on it. And even without traits it still slaps
@roe__jogan
@roe__jogan Жыл бұрын
“If you put 6 points of traits into it” Those are traits I can use for healing, movement speed, or sound reduction. My mans video is correct.
@goranbratos2097
@goranbratos2097 Жыл бұрын
@@roe__jogan Only a new player would say something as dumb as this .. 6 points of traits is nothing... levering on the winfield is by far the best and biggest buff that any weapon in the game can get from a trait, it's an easy teamwipe machine, and iron repeater makes it the easiest weapon to double-tap with. A gunfight advantage is always more important than healing.
@raphaelgoncalves79
@raphaelgoncalves79 Жыл бұрын
​@@roe__jogan still, you probably put more points than this into fanning, which is overall a worse version of levering, its only saving grace being the higher firerate
@miks301
@miks301 Жыл бұрын
Winnie shits on a lot of guns inside a compound because of fire rate and with high velocity its basically a headclicker 90 dollar mosin. The sights alone are S tier.
@fancyelk2373
@fancyelk2373 7 ай бұрын
@@roe__jogan What're you gonna get, physician? that's some passive loser talk prioritizing healing over making your weapon function more efficiently.
@elweoncomunista6664
@elweoncomunista6664 Жыл бұрын
every weapon is good in the right hands... unfortunately those hands are not mine X'D
@darkkinggaming7988
@darkkinggaming7988 Жыл бұрын
Nitro express comes in handy when you need yeet other players clear across the town
@real_Fabiot
@real_Fabiot Жыл бұрын
Winnie is top tier and Berthier is hella good
@marsh9907
@marsh9907 Жыл бұрын
Berthier yes, Winnie no.
@jiggs677
@jiggs677 Жыл бұрын
I dont understand the purpose of berth in the game. You can carry multiple ammo types like Romero but you only get 2 options?? And one is fire damage. Pls explain berth to me thank you!!
@kevvdo2851
@kevvdo2851 Жыл бұрын
​@@marsh9907winnie with fmj is top tier gtfo
@real_Fabiot
@real_Fabiot Жыл бұрын
​@@kevvdo2851 Exactly
@real_Fabiot
@real_Fabiot Жыл бұрын
​@@marsh9907 Winnie with Iron Repeater is the fastest firing rifle in the game, with FMJ the easiest two tap in Hunt
@smilestheemo3365
@smilestheemo3365 Жыл бұрын
Ngl I'm pretty surprised at the amount of 3 stars that are obsessed with the winfield. I had no idea that gun was so common and so well liked, I haven't seen it in my last ~50 games at least lol
@h1tsc4n40
@h1tsc4n40 Жыл бұрын
Its super common in 5* too.
@rhys938
@rhys938 Жыл бұрын
Lmao the winnie gang always makes an appearance in duo and trio 5/6 star lobbies for me. Its a hell of a versatile pick.
@Lukas-qf2uh
@Lukas-qf2uh 5 ай бұрын
I see Winfield in 5-6 star lobbies all the time, and run it in them too. At the end of the day, unless youre a true aim god (which you don't have to be to hit 6 star) the ability to two tap so quickly is incredibly powerful
@sneakydragon2352
@sneakydragon2352 4 ай бұрын
high 5*, low 6* star, if you aim for the head and have HV + levering, winfield swift is the most versatile pick out of all, straight up better than a mosin up-close + able to trade shots with all long ammo at distance (same velocity as mosin, aim for head). The amount of ammo you get also means you wont run out any time soon and "swift" variant means you'll never be caught reloading. Too many people sleep on this gun.
@latutiila3301
@latutiila3301 Жыл бұрын
winnie is the most goated rifle, how dare you
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
"Thats why its the goat!" you mean.
@crabbowiththestabbo
@crabbowiththestabbo Жыл бұрын
I mean, maybe if you're a 5 star. 3 stars know the power of the Winnie.
@MrMeatBeater
@MrMeatBeater Жыл бұрын
Winnie is the king of the game at all tiers, try hard sweats just like to pretend that less bullets = better for some reason.
@gugagogolashvili6319
@gugagogolashvili6319 Жыл бұрын
3stars know something that 5+ dont?
@crabbowiththestabbo
@crabbowiththestabbo Жыл бұрын
@@gugagogolashvili6319 yes. We know how to have fun
@tacopig7605
@tacopig7605 Жыл бұрын
the amount of mental gymnastics people have to do to put the lebel over the mosin is insane
@yzbrian
@yzbrian 4 ай бұрын
"There's no Winfield without win" ~me after literally every kill
@forge1602
@forge1602 Жыл бұрын
The Winfield M1873 Two shots to the chest any hunter combine that with Levering make sure the dangerous weapon you under rated it
@Soabac
@Soabac Жыл бұрын
Martini Henry, top tier, depending on how you plan to use them martini can be better than sparks
@communistcrusader217
@communistcrusader217 Жыл бұрын
Can be better, I love the martini, dueled out bolts and levers close to medium range, just gotta hit ya shots, and with it having such clean irons it really ain’t hard to do
@Soabac
@Soabac Жыл бұрын
@@communistcrusader217 exactly, and with the shortened reloading it can make a good short range, i've cleaned some teams with it, shoots pretty fast
@communistcrusader217
@communistcrusader217 Жыл бұрын
@@Soabac sleeper fs
@sneakydragon2352
@sneakydragon2352 4 ай бұрын
After they fixed the left-side peek, martini henri ironside has become really good... Nobody expects the follow-up shots. I tried it and was pleasantly surprised. I ran martini-henry for the longest time, and yes, it's the ultimate support weapon.
@jacobpeterson7592
@jacobpeterson7592 Жыл бұрын
mosin slave vs chad winnie user
@robosamari8247
@robosamari8247 Жыл бұрын
This is what we call “a chronic 6-star”
@lowrider6217
@lowrider6217 Жыл бұрын
I will not have this kind of slander on the Winfield
@Knttsq
@Knttsq Жыл бұрын
Berthier is more like: WOOOOOOO!
@S_Philipp
@S_Philipp Жыл бұрын
Winnie is not responsible for your lack of skill. Winnie is the goat
@dannyzaze9126
@dannyzaze9126 Жыл бұрын
Irl: Mosin Nagant M1891: „Its the biggest piece of dogshit“
@boone4531
@boone4531 2 ай бұрын
Whats wrong with it irl?
@lunchbox4229
@lunchbox4229 Жыл бұрын
Long ammo Sweat lords mad when my 24 dollar nagant one taps and yoinks their load out.
@rootbeard2294
@rootbeard2294 Жыл бұрын
winnie with iron repeater + levering + fmj top tier right there!
@guido95com
@guido95com Жыл бұрын
Winfield is not bad but the vandal variant is the biggest piece of dog pop
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Agreed
@Itznkb
@Itznkb Жыл бұрын
I’ve just got back into Hunt after 2 years and I can tell you right now that the Winnie is god tier 💀 that shits a lifesaver
@FULLC4PP
@FULLC4PP Жыл бұрын
Winfield is so damn good. Ammo pool is large, has hv and fmj, great ironsights, good base velocity, and fast rate of fire. This thing clicks on heads for you.
@ChiefLibrarianLothric
@ChiefLibrarianLothric Жыл бұрын
I must disagree with Windfield. Its Meta, because you can't say windfield without win.
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Wait that's actually a really good argument for the winfield.
@sike3000
@sike3000 Жыл бұрын
Winnie FMJ has entered the chat
@truckerwolf8369
@truckerwolf8369 Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised that scene from the enemy at gates wasn’t used for the Mosin
@user-js3mg1dc6s
@user-js3mg1dc6s 2 ай бұрын
It's funny to see everybody pissed just cuz of the windfield
@DerAssassine4
@DerAssassine4 Жыл бұрын
when i watch these videos i always get the feeling that this person has never played hunt before
@wackojacko4580
@wackojacko4580 Ай бұрын
Bro hates the winfield but gives the Springfield a pass
@TooTheTooDude
@TooTheTooDude Жыл бұрын
Judging by the choices of guns bro probably mains felis
@Happy_Sailor639
@Happy_Sailor639 10 ай бұрын
Imagine if winnie (not the last one) user loses all of his ammo, and his sidearm is any pistol, besides scotfield and pax.
@Myttso
@Myttso Жыл бұрын
Never underestimate high velocity winnie
@energyc4t
@energyc4t Жыл бұрын
Winnies are nice for me And then Nitro is real shitgun
@buzzkill8214
@buzzkill8214 Жыл бұрын
If the Nitro had good sights, it would be OP. They need to keep it the way it is so it doesn't break the game. It's hard to use for a reason.
@martinford4553
@martinford4553 Жыл бұрын
​@@buzzkill8214 I mean it takes a bit of practice but the nitro is great once you get how to play it.
@ZzVinniezZ
@ZzVinniezZ Жыл бұрын
im nowhere near using Mosin but winfield already saved my ass more than other rifles.
@Lieutenant_Dude
@Lieutenant_Dude 10 ай бұрын
Winnie is the great equalizer. I countersniped a Zorngeist with the full size Winnie just because I had a good hiding spot. Perfect iron sights
@daducklord3845
@daducklord3845 8 ай бұрын
Centenental is goated
@nathandefaria1351
@nathandefaria1351 8 ай бұрын
never let bro cook ever again💀
@tristanemerick7045
@tristanemerick7045 7 ай бұрын
Sparks is my favorite long ammo atm with the berthier behind it
@fren111
@fren111 Жыл бұрын
The nitro It would be nice if it wasn't a "hey !!! kill me !, I'm a priority target" For everyone in the lobby
@DarkPegasus8774
@DarkPegasus8774 Жыл бұрын
The guy with the white shirt in the hat cracks me up😂😂😂 woooo has he ranks the best guns in hunt showdown
@HeavenStudiosOfficial
@HeavenStudiosOfficial Жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, specially after rating Martini and Springfield high and Winny low, what's your MMR? And do you play on PC or a console? Asking for a friend.
@communistcrusader217
@communistcrusader217 Жыл бұрын
Tf you hating on the martini for? I agree with the Winnie bein godly but I’ll take that one shot over anything, plus it has one of the best iron sights imo and a fairly quick reload, dueled out bolts and levers medium/close range just because how much damage she do😂
@damiankulesza3768
@damiankulesza3768 Жыл бұрын
The winfield was top tier meta since the begining of the game. Its not the weapon its how you use it.
@Jargon
@Jargon Жыл бұрын
You take that back about the Berthier!
@Ghostscar
@Ghostscar 11 ай бұрын
Winfield + Leveling : road to victory in close/medium fight combat. I was 1 star, start to training with only Winfield as main and I got 2 star, 3 soon. It's a amazing weapon in the right hands (maybe not mine yet, but I will be good with that). The only problem is the low penetration of compact bullet, but a good strategy will take you alive of most of the bad situations (take me some time to learn that weapons aren't all in a gunfight.)
@RD-2709
@RD-2709 Жыл бұрын
Winfield is the bread and butter of hunt bro it's consistently been one of the best guns in the game
@madmanpatty8724
@madmanpatty8724 2 ай бұрын
Winnie needs perks and special ammo for it to not be a literal peashooter
@Mr.St3wi3
@Mr.St3wi3 10 ай бұрын
The centennial with bleed rounds 😌👌🏼
@cyroclasim
@cyroclasim 9 ай бұрын
Bro completely forgot about the Krag, my personal favorite
@lsmithhat8541
@lsmithhat8541 Жыл бұрын
I personally agree baseline Winchester with no ammo upgrades is terrible. I had to shoot a guy 6-7 times for him to go down.
@discountdisco2273
@discountdisco2273 Жыл бұрын
Bro shaming the Winny. Have you ever been in a shootout with a rifle shooting 10 angry bullets without reloading?!
@sneakydragon2352
@sneakydragon2352 4 ай бұрын
if you take the swift variant, it's 15 bullets, 1 or 2 second pause and another 15...
@DragonaxFilms
@DragonaxFilms Жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure about this list at first, but you gave the Nitro it's rightful score of "WOOOO" so we're good.
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Only real ones know
@baczon9567
@baczon9567 Жыл бұрын
Winfield vandal deadeye my beloved
@SeasonedSalmon
@SeasonedSalmon 3 ай бұрын
All of these leverer spray and prayers are getting triggered off the gate 😂
@4ykos444
@4ykos444 Жыл бұрын
Winfields: GOAT Mosin lebel: WOO YEAH BABY Martini Sparks: WOOOO Vetterelli: WOOO Centennial: i mean its allright Springfield: i mean its allright Nitro: its the biggest piece of dogshit How it really is supposed to be
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Respectable opinion
@martinford4553
@martinford4553 Жыл бұрын
If you know how to use the Nitro its amazing. Put bleed and its a basic 1 hit kill. The nitro can be the most powerful gun in the game to players who know how to use it.
@4ykos444
@4ykos444 Жыл бұрын
@@martinford4553 0 skill gun you cant change my mind
@GamingZ_enith
@GamingZ_enith 11 ай бұрын
​@@4ykos444 You mean besides the fact it has the worst irons in the game and you can't see anything except what you're aiming at.
@Zhidalgo24
@Zhidalgo24 Жыл бұрын
The 1873 and centennial need more respect
@complexwalrus2192
@complexwalrus2192 Жыл бұрын
Bruh the Winnie has been S tier since the game came out
@fwooshmcgibbens3282
@fwooshmcgibbens3282 Жыл бұрын
No way he put the centennial above the winnie 🥶
@krytcaustic
@krytcaustic Жыл бұрын
Winfield literally best rifle in the game
@setpopa5357
@setpopa5357 Жыл бұрын
Martiny is my main weapon Him: I mean us alrigh like. 😢
@Relatablenightmare
@Relatablenightmare 9 ай бұрын
people sleeping on the winnie can't land headshots even if the guy walked face first into their barrel
@cesarduran7189
@cesarduran7189 Жыл бұрын
This dude really said martini is alright best budget long ammo gun in game
@ikigai9300
@ikigai9300 Жыл бұрын
Don’t give me wrong. I can click heads with the Winnie, but the base muzzle velocity just ain’t it for me and I like my rifles to have alittle more kick to it. It’s verterli, lebel or sparks for me.
@liarandahorsethief5203
@liarandahorsethief5203 3 ай бұрын
The winny c and full winny are headshot machines
@johnferris5042
@johnferris5042 Жыл бұрын
You just know this guy hides in bushes and takes shots with a mosin
@juanfuentes1533
@juanfuentes1533 10 ай бұрын
The entirety of Louisiana disliked this. Never talk shit about good 'ol winny
@monroe8597
@monroe8597 9 ай бұрын
Martini has the most inconsistent bullet velocity in the game
@djad4118
@djad4118 Жыл бұрын
Tell me you’re hard stuck at 3 stars without telling me you’re stuck at 3 stars: this YT short
@Hxgz-n-Drxgz
@Hxgz-n-Drxgz 8 ай бұрын
If my 4 shot derringer can kill someone these guns can do perfectly fine m8
@thechronicler159
@thechronicler159 Жыл бұрын
For the money you’re paying for the Springfield, it is very underrated. Once you get dum dum ammo or poison ammo that little gun can tangle with the best of em.
@FULLC4PP
@FULLC4PP Жыл бұрын
Winnie swift with HV is literally my sweat gun. You've lost your mind.
@sneakydragon2352
@sneakydragon2352 4 ай бұрын
*hi5s* this dude gets it. HV + levering and you got a gun that does it all, i usually struggle for a secondary, only to pick something that gives it more ammo like nagant silencer + HV, or crossbow with half normal + half poison.
@thecreator6314
@thecreator6314 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of debatable picks here
@riegelmaster-privat5865
@riegelmaster-privat5865 Жыл бұрын
Nitro Yeah Baby???? Gun is epic but the biggest meme the game has to offer And the Winfield is absolutely insane
@AuburnMan
@AuburnMan Жыл бұрын
I like the 1873, especially the swift with levering.
@SevereUwu
@SevereUwu 11 ай бұрын
*Krag enters the chat*
@saulgoodman6537
@saulgoodman6537 3 ай бұрын
Brother what game are you playing?
@clementparayre2088
@clementparayre2088 Жыл бұрын
Bro... Stop I can't more disagree, do you play the game? Or just rate by ammo type?
@In-decay
@In-decay 3 ай бұрын
If you don't have a Winny, you're not winning
@musicman1195
@musicman1195 2 ай бұрын
Is cent good?
@spencerkelly750
@spencerkelly750 10 ай бұрын
Every gun is the GOAT if you can hit your shots.
@we1rd92
@we1rd92 Жыл бұрын
Calling Winny dogshit is the fastest way to out yourself as a 3-4 star player. I know he's memeing guy chill but i know some 3-4 star players and they all hate Winny because of various skill issues.
@t_r_a_y_e9858
@t_r_a_y_e9858 Жыл бұрын
Bigger bullet=better gun mindset
@Bullevue
@Bullevue Жыл бұрын
Nagant carbine is the goat
@kalebleno5959
@kalebleno5959 Жыл бұрын
The martini buss with incendiary rounds and if can hit ur shots
@PlanetShenanigans
@PlanetShenanigans Жыл бұрын
Love the riposte personally!
@cainanspellman3822
@cainanspellman3822 3 ай бұрын
How dare you slannder my winfield centennial.
@thechronicler159
@thechronicler159 Жыл бұрын
The martini-Henry is GOATED
@MrTroxism
@MrTroxism 9 ай бұрын
Centennial with high velocity ammo 👌🏽
@AnotherRed
@AnotherRed 11 ай бұрын
Ok, I can kind of understand why the WinnyC is there, but standard Winny and Berthier ranking? Down right Criminal
@communistcrusader217
@communistcrusader217 Жыл бұрын
Martini top tier, just hit bro in the chest and blow a golf ball sized hole out of him🤣
@ReavenM1911A1
@ReavenM1911A1 Жыл бұрын
Liking the Sparks over the Martini Henry. OP must be a 2 star
@chopchop-yvr
@chopchop-yvr Жыл бұрын
we got a metaslave here
@wateredpizza327
@wateredpizza327 Жыл бұрын
You better put some respect on the Winfield centennial
@sniff7276
@sniff7276 Жыл бұрын
Every gun listed is a critikal woo except centennial which is the goat
@cameronhicks9585
@cameronhicks9585 Жыл бұрын
Why so many centennial haters? It’s a better range winnie. Trauma makes dealing with immolators easy and a Sniper version. They added fmj and poison ammo types. They also buffed it’s levering. You can bring some of the better pistols with it too to increase ammo cap, the scottfield and Pax. It’s one of my favorite guns other than the martini Henry. I’m a 5 star hunter so I don’t get much of the hate for it
@marellius2868
@marellius2868 Жыл бұрын
why play cenny when you can play vetterli?
@h1tsc4n40
@h1tsc4n40 Жыл бұрын
Cent is amazing, but at close range i prefer normal winnie with levering.
@h1tsc4n40
@h1tsc4n40 Жыл бұрын
​@@marellius2868centennial shoots faster, no need for special ammo for high velocity, doesn't lose as much velocity with FMJ
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