Ranking All The Tech 3 Strategic Cruisers for C3 Wormhole Ratting!! || EVE Online

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[@militarymoose87]

Lol, Benzie woke up today and was like.....I'm going to spice up my comment section and crank the salt mining to 11. Love the video bud, best of luck with these comments.

[@captainbenzie]

It's been pretty good so far!!

[@ninjasquirrels]

@@captainbenzie Before I start watching this and/or read the comments; Fly it right and they’re all gonna do just fine?

[@captainbenzie]

@@ninjasquirrels nope, some do suck

[@traviskinchen2265]

I'm currently skilling into a Proteus because I'm a Gallente with maxed drone skills and want a drone boat option. But with that said, my first T3 was a Loki, and I do love that one.

[@captainbenzie]

Nice, I hope you enjoy it!!

[@KrzysztofWadyka]

I noticed one thing which make this compression wrong: fit ISK worth auto-cannon loki is worth 1,3b while for example HAM tengu 0,77b. Result is expected. Even after deduct Zeugma Integrated Analyzer there is still a gap.

[@captainbenzie]

It's not just the Zeugma that pushes this particular Loki up. Because the Zeugma uses a mid that's normally shields on the pure ratting Loki, this one is heavily blinged up to compensate

[@joem1950]

Just the video I was looking for :) thanks!

[@captainbenzie]

Hope you like it!

[@jean-claudeallard8359]

I fought a Loki in LS with my brawler Paladin and for our limited engagement i couldn’t quite break his tank. And due to the limited mid slots I couldn’t hold him in my range long enough for more than about 30 seconds in bastion mode. So he got away, I was very impressed.

[@captainbenzie]

Nice! What a showdown!

[@CaptainBrash]

I'm a bit lost in EVE at the moment but I enjoy combat and exploration so decided on making a Tengu my medium term goal.

[@captainbenzie]

It's a great ship, and being so versatile means it's a good objective to aim for!

[@jesses7614]

Good video thanks for the information

[@captainbenzie]

No problem 👍

[@AndyKauffman-ml3og]

Lol! "HAM"-strung?! Benzie! Is that a Heavy Assault Missle pun? I'm going to believe it is. 😅😅

[@captainbenzie]

😂 unintentional

[@mattstrauchon6756]

Please please please Capt, do a follow-up video ranking the individual fits!

[@captainbenzie]

😂

[@blackscorpion2774]

Love your videos! please make a video about drifter complexes found in shattered wormholes, I really want to know more about them but information about these drifter complexes are quiet rare.

[@captainbenzie]

Will do if I'm lucky enough to connect to a Shattered Wormhole anytime soon!

[@floyd1411]

this is the video i was waiting for :)

[@captainbenzie]

Hope you enjoy!!

[@floyd1411]

@@captainbenzie soo amm what do i need to do to join your corp?

[@JCans]

Huge Laser Legion fan. back when I played. Nobody did wolf ray C3's. so you could make a bil in an afternoon in a single C3.

[@captainbenzie]

Nice!!

[@lazloholyfield9902]

I have been flying the Legion lately, and I love the tank on the thing

[@captainbenzie]

It's a brick of a ship!

[@StarMan2496]

I never got into wormholing. After getting destroyed 10 times, along with numerous ganks, I gave up altogether. Love your videos, though.

[@aaronmeyer9586]

Hello sir, one thing I like to point out, "ganking" in a wormhole is not possible, it is mearly pvp that you did not run from or win.

[@captainbenzie]

Glad you're enjoying! Don't give up, just learn and keep D-Scanning! Or consider joining a wormhole corp!

[@brianchristopher8843]

Get back in the hole mister! J space best space! It really pushes you to be hyper aware of your surroundings. D scan like your life depends on it. Hang out for a while in a new hole before popping probes and revealing yourself to anyone who may be around. I had left jspace for a couple months and lived in nullsec while we found a new hole to live in amd I have got to say, man is it good to be back.

[@brianchristopher8843]

I love the loki but I must say the proteus is growing on me for pvp. We use it to great effect in j space. It really is a force to be reckoned with. A couple blaster proteus and some reps will own most ships.

[@captainbenzie]

As long as you can hold the range, for sure!!

[@BanControl]

@@captainbenzie long range scram helps with that considerably. but yeah, requires you to get the drop on someone

[@killerpit20]

so with this tier list i am mostly fine with a few additions, the ham tengu is a beast, the railgu is a very situational ship. As i am a wingspan agent mostly my targets are small ships so the railgu does the job very well with a shoot and scoop system, decloack kill and leave. We even used the railgu in a wolfpack getting small ships like dictors of the grid from very save distance (above 50km) while still being able to get 500 paper dps (dual tp and dual tracking computer). In a 1v1 fight against heavier targets the railgu lacks everything making it a very situational ship same with the jamgu, making it with hm a very good kite support ship in a small gang situation. The legion and proteus have both the same problem, speed, the loki and tengu both are more agile making them in 1v1 situations more capable of controlling the field and dictating range. Legion and proteus in 1v1 are only really good in a brawling setup, we only use them as primary tackle or support (neuts), the proteus is very good in being a punching bag and bringing lot of dps with blasters against heavy targets (marauder stuff). In pvp i am going with you, the Loki is the god especially in solo flights, its slippery fast and disgusting because of long range webs. The Tengu is the king of paper dps making it (for me) the king of PVE because its the best tank and best dps. My Ranking would be 1 Loki 2. Tengu more versatile then 3 Legion and then 4 Proteus (very situtional but in these situations badass)

[@captainbenzie]

That situationality on the railgun Tengu is what pushed it down for me. Situationality and versatility was the key factor in my ranking. Railgun Wolfpack sounds awesome! I'd love to see that in action - even if it were to drop on me!

[@killerpit20]

@@captainbenzie we used 3 railgu with Double tc and tp on dictors and tackle and after that WE bullied logy which was very good in our comp since WE Had the field prepared WE could shoot cloack move shoot cloack blinky railgus was disgusting tactic worked very efficient

[@terrana6306]

I fly a Loki myself. Just love that ship.

[@captainbenzie]

It's an awesome ship!

[@giuseppeviscomi7033]

My Laser Legion is only for C3 ratting and I live there. Solid and very nice choice!

[@captainbenzie]

Great ship even despite the lack of mids! Hope you're enjoying it!

[@giuseppeviscomi7033]

He miss only a Zeugma to be perfect indeed ​@@captainbenzie

[@user-vv4lu9jb1j]

OMG... Amarr is not in the basement for once.

[@captainbenzie]

😂

[@ChrisWBarker]

The only use for the hybrid tengu is the 'slippery pete' railgun sniper cloaky fit

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah, exactly, which isn't exactly used much these days 😅

[@BanControl]

even then, better off using arty loki lol

[@user-sb3qg5ph5t]

Proteus is ugly? 😂 Ugly seems to be a Gallente thing. Especially the Moros. The Megatron class is a beauty though, especially the Vindicator 🥰 👍vid Cap'n

[@captainbenzie]

Glad you enjoyed!! Some Gallente ships are beautiful - I love the Tristan, the Dragoon, the Megathron, but so many are just... Weird...

[@jameswohler985]

Never flew Legion. I respect your rules about all ships. Another way to look at it is Loki is the most flexible, as are Minmitar ships in general. I was invited to a fleet to level 4 mission, and I wrecked everything...basically your autocannon fit. From frigate to battleship they melted, webs out to 26 km...yes please. If I want massive damage in event, HAM Tengu, exploration with potential PVP think I like the layout of Proteus.

[@captainbenzie]

They're all good ships for sure with their own pros and cons.

[@gothmog2441]

Because proteus is a drone boat you can basically fit for neuts and not bork your damage. Chuck in a 100MN AB and you have a very nasty PvP surprise.

[@glenn-g]

First time i have ever heard Low DPS and Proteus in the same sentence!

[@captainbenzie]

Railguns and drones, it is. Sure, you can fit blasters but then you need to LAND on your target. It's so slow that it can't control range on its own

[@hawkerlc]

joined your discord bro

[@captainbenzie]

Welcome aboard!

[@familypve4029]

I would put the legion at #1, but I'm a bone and gold laser monkey, so it feels like home XD Solid list otherwise though.

[@captainbenzie]

It's a very good ship other than it's distinct lack of mids!

[@I2obiNtube]

Great video but I think it's important to understand for PvP it's a completely different outcome and fit. For everything. These are great for solo wormhole ratting when you're trying to avoid combat but I mean the Legion doesn't even have a scram, so your opponent is gonna just warp off unless you have alts/support. For non C3 ratting at that I probably wouldn't test these on anything above a safe 6/10. The Tengu fit is also gonna die. Tengus can rep 100k-300k easily if not infinitely but you need a dual repper or pulsing an x-l rep. If you're doing 300-400hp/s with decent resists that's usually the sweet spot where you get the brick tanked Tengus. Between the resists/reps/sig/speed tank they get stupid hard to break. If they have logi support it's insane. In terms of PvP as well HAMs have a lot of problems unless you're ganking ishtars or brawling at close range.

[@captainbenzie]

The fits on screen were not representative at all of what I was talking about. Hence there's a HAM Legion on screen when talking about the laser Legion. It was just backing graphics 😅

[@I2obiNtube]

@@captainbenzie ahh okay that makes more sense

[@EuroHeliMalta]

Hi mate. Fair assessment but you are wrong about the PvP for the Proteus. I have taken 2v1 against 2 tengu, and even a Tengu and HAM Legion. Don’t know how you tested the PvP bit you are actually doing Proteus pilots a service❤. Now somebody flying a Tengu will see this and think…. A Proteus ohhh an easy kill and they will increase my killboard :)

[@captainbenzie]

It's just from my opinion and experience. A Proteus really needs to be at close range to be a threat and it's fairly easy to deny that. As I say in the video, everyone's mileage will vary and this is just my opinions based on my own experiences. I've never been caught by a Proteus, but I have the other three.

[@batbawls]

I just wish the projectile loki didn't look like an old moldy ragged xl hotdog with guns on it

[@captainbenzie]

Lmao, once seen cannot be unseen

[@OzzlyOsborne]

I've been trying to figure out what to skill into. I've found I enjoy missiles and hybrid turrets so have been going caldari but I love the look of minmatar ships and it's hard to decide

[@captainbenzie]

There are a lot of really good Minmatar missile ships! I love the HAM Loki, the Muninn, Jaguar etc

[@cohort2796]

Don't sweat it, do both.

[@OzzlyOsborne]

@@cohort2796 Yeah I'll definitely train both eventually it's just which do I go into first. Training takes so long.

[@vascobarbosa6847]

Im relatively to the game and I’m using a Tristan build in t0 wormholes but I’m so lost rn 😭😭

[@captainbenzie]

T0 is Abyssal Deadspaces, not wormholes 😉 very different content, but don't worry! EVE is huge, there's a lot going on, but the more you play, the more you'll become familiar. Then you can try other things and begin to expand that knowledge. There's plenty of the game that still confuses me!!

[@jmark566]

When you talk about the unsecured/forgotten sites, are you talking about the c3 versions of these sites?

[@captainbenzie]

Yes, as the entire context of the video is C3 ratting. It'll do C2 Unsecured/Forgotten just fine.

[@hiraldosternflyer7112]

I've been flying the Loki for a number of years. Still my preferred ship (next to the Astero).

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah it's an awesome ship!

[@Steventrafford]

Sup Benzie. Slippery Pete’s. Check them out. With a fleet of them you can cause carnage and unmatched harassment

[@WINTERMUTE_AI]

TENGU FOR LIFE!

[@captainbenzie]

❤️

[@kogden8110]

WE DONT TALK ABOUT THE HYBRID TENGU

[@captainbenzie]

Great, now I have that song from Encanto in my head 😂

[@nathanav1634]

Legion is #1 for 1 reason only, crystals mean you can carry ammo for days whereas the ammo for the others means you're restocking after 1-2 WHs

[@captainbenzie]

Eh, I massively disagree. Ammo doesn't take up that much space at all 😅

[@nathanav1634]

@@captainbenzie depends how long you do sites for. A legion will be able to do 100+ sites without needing to head to a citadel/station, Tengu if you carry an MTU, repair paste, probes, pills, you're looking at max 25k missiles, that won't last long. If you drop off regularly you probably won't notice

[@AwoudeX]

should maybe add 'for c3 content' to the title, was hoping for something more general

[@captainbenzie]

That's why the 2 mins intro exists but good point, updated

[@Murto84]

Rlml dual armour rep Loki can run c4 wr sites

[@captainbenzie]

Yup, but so can a RLML Legion ☺️

[@Murto84]

@@captainbenzie lol

[@Gwynsladle]

Fitting proteus with dual rep ancil armor+active repper for pvp is absolutely disgusthang doe, and slap capacitor battery on mid. The peanut wont break in any situation.

[@captainbenzie]

Yeah that's a nasty mix!!

[@NightmareOni]

Man just likes flying rust buckets you know are going to implode due to a lack of structural integrity at some point lol.

[@captainbenzie]

To be fair, Minmatar ships are basically just the hulls. The other empires just build excess structure around their hills. Minmatar are fine tuned engineering - form over function with minimal excess

[@NightmareOni]

@@captainbenzie And lots of rust to add to the flavour lmao.

[@jono_cc2258]

1) Tengu 2)Legion 3) Loki 4) Proteus

[@captainbenzie]

Cool, but why?

[@davidnobular9220]

Our name is Legion, for we are many.

[@jono_cc2258]

@@captainbenzie I would say Tengu first as it's just the most versatile for my needs and has been a great ship in all forms, I've flown it in w-space in shield fleets, as a scanning ship and even as a long range sniper all of which give it top marks from me. Legion was my first T3 as I had trained into the Guardian as more first Logistics cruiser, from there the HAM version was always good for brawling and the beam fit was always good for taking out those long range EWAR ships people like to bring to fights. For the last two I have no ill will to either, I like the Loki as a scanning ship and prefer the AC fit, the Proteus while on paper has great DPS I've seen them shut down but neuts on far too many occasions and are the bain of my life when flying Logi as I can't give you a dedicated cap transfer all the time. Almost all of my experience with them has been in wormholes, I don't use them for site running or for anything other than using a cloaky version to haul loot or pick up supplies in Jita/Amarr etc.

[@michaeldmckenzie]

Why on God’sgreen earth would anyone fit hybrids on a Tengu? That’s just plain silly!

[@captainbenzie]

It's an option, so I wanted to cover it! 😅

[@aaronhpa]

You should have disaggregated the ships

[@captainbenzie]

Maybe another video for another time This was ranking the hulls overall, not the fits.

[@goldeneagle256]

your so dead wrong when it comes to proteus and pvp. my blasterfit proteus do rougly 1.1k dps overheated, with 70k ehp passive tank and it practicly delete any other t3 cruiser off the field in matter of few seconds, and theres basicly no t3 cruiser im affraid of putting it up ageinst, with maby neut legion as only execption, and it for sure are one of my favorite pvp ships. the laser legion are my second favorite t3 cruiser. the tank are same ballpark as my proteus, tho dps only are around 800 in comparison. however what the legion have are the weapon range over the proteus, and it does it dmg out to around 20km, or bit less dmg out to 50km if you swap to long range crystals. however when it comes to pvp, theres never a perfect choice of ship that gonna win every engagement, because then everyone would simply just pick that ship, so i have atleast 8-10 pvp ships i swap between depending on the situation I'm gonna find myself in:)

[@captainbenzie]

Glad you're enjoying it! As I said, personal experiences, and for the Proteus to get that, it's overheating and short range 😉 that said, it's absolutely terrifying if you've got in close!

[@goldeneagle256]

@@captainbenzie well, the t3 cruisers are ment to be overheated, so if you dont, you flying it wrong lol. it allso depends what type of pvp you doing. i do alot of bubble trap type of pvp, so basicly set it up to have my enemies land on top of me. really good for me, terrible for anyone flying kity ships :p

[@milojinvente7746]

I fear your blaster proteus will be countered by a simple web + MWD HAM loki.

[@goldeneagle256]

@@milojinvente7746 killing a ham loki with blaster are easier then taking candy from children. thats granted the ham loki lands on top of me tho, witch is how i set it up. if the ham loki lands more then 15km away you correct, then its me thats toast. granted thats practicly true for all blaser ships vs kity ships. you can never allow a kity ship to get range on you, if yourself are in a brawling ship

[@milojinvente7746]

@@goldeneagle256 My brother in christ, if your fit works only in a specific situation, then maybe it's time to rethink it.

[@TactiClaus]

Vids like this make me wish we could see the dislikes. Its a great vid but im curious how many people are buthurt you downtalked their favorite ship

[@captainbenzie]

By the comments, most have been pretty supportive actually 😅

[@TactiClaus]

@captainbenzie very true, you definitely did a good job at being objective with the ratings.

[@Mp57navy]

I hate T3 cruisers with a passion. They try to be the jack of all trades. Their tank is about as good as a T2 Frigate.

[@captainbenzie]

Lmao, a perfect example of not seeing the forest for the trees. Yes, they're lower tanks than HACs (definitely not frigate level lol) but they're also SMALL and FAST. They reward good manual piloting.

[@Travlinmo]

lol, listening to this and looking at the Ship Tree... your words do not match for me the options leaving me thinking you might be speaking a different language from me.

[@captainbenzie]

As I said at the beginning, this is based on my experience flying them all and my opinions. Your mileage may vary. And as I said in my recent Critical Thinking video, the ship tree and stats alone don't ever tell the full story

[@captainbenzie]

As I said at the beginning, this is based on my experience flying them all and my opinions. Your mileage may vary. And as I said in my recent Critical Thinking video, the ship tree and stats alone don't ever tell the full story

[@Travlinmo]

@@captainbenzie I wasn’t commenting negatively on your words. I was really saying my understanding is so far out that I did not understand your fits. Good thing I am not trying to FLY one of these. 😀