Ranking All Weapon Aspects in a Totally Objective Tier List | Hades 2

[@pharoahman475]

I do find it fun all the Mel aspects are viable, especially compared to how underwhelming the Zagspects were.

[@lookalike4805]

They have Great Quality Of Life Perks.... That's why they Do So Well. 👍

[@soulstealer5625]

Much prefer the axe Mel than the Charon or Than one (hoping we get Chronos aspect tho)

[@DeltDelt-j6n]

Zagreus fist was the best weapong in teh game tho

[@AcediaIX]

@@pharoahman475 really miss the bow from Hades I, easily the best weapon

[@vincent999vx]

Aspect of Moros is actually really good. I didn't really get it at first but if you start with your Omega Special then start attacking through it your attacks will immediately explode (I assume this is the intended way of using the weapon). If you put something like Zeus on your special, your special will apply the blitz and the attack explosion will immediately trigger the blitz which can absolutely melt bosses.

[@PrismariLaura]

As for Than axe: there are two hammers that break the interaction between the spin attack and crit buildup - the "launch your spin forward" and "you can act while it spins" hammers. Both will cause it to only give 1% crit regardless of how many spins you charged or enemies you've hit. However, since the aspect says "omega *moves*", not omega attack and special, it can also charge with your omega cast. So Zeus' cast boon that hits enemies during the omega cast quickly charges this up - though I don't know if/how other boons that injure enemies during the cast duration interact (such as Demeter's or Hera's).

[@oranjoe69]

Zeus omega cast boon is a must for thanatos aspect imo

[@SyntheticaYT]

Im going to try Thanatos + Apollo cast. BOOM!

[@TheBooBomber609]

I think the most recent update is what broke the Than aspect here. I’ve heard so many people pre-patch talk about how good Than is with Psychic Whirlwind. Even if Thanatos did fully work properly, I don’t think it’s as good as everyone hypes it up to be. It’s certainly good for vanilla/low-fear runs, but for mid-/high-fear runs I feel like it falls off pretty hard. Charon is just far more consistent from what I’ve seen with how much damage it can do with relatively minimal setup.

[@PrismariLaura]

@@TheBooBomber609 it was broken prepatch too, unfortunately. And I have to disagree, charon's aspect requires too much setup to really work in high fear. You're better off picking the staff

[@TheBooBomber609]

@@PrismariLaura Nah, all you need for Charon is either Apollo or Poseidon on omega cast. After that, you can take boons from Apollo, Poseidon, Demeter, Hephaestus, or even Zeus, Hera, or Hestia to improve your special and cast. Not to mention unlike Than, Charon doesn’t have any requirements that need to be upheld to access its full damage potential. It’s pretty much a full-screen nuke that starts strong and only gets better with Daedalus upgrades. Than, on the other hand, requires that you never take damage or you lose your crit chance and have to build it up again. There’s no boons you can take to help with building up crit chance (except maybe Apollo on omega cast), and the Daedalus upgrades that *would* help it make it objectively worse since they make the omega attack - the thing the entire aspect is centered around - obsolete for crit build. Yes, on paper Than has more potential damage output than Charon at the start of a run, but Than requires you earn and then maintain that damage while Charon gives it to you for free with no strings attached.

[@justintomer2567]

The fact that the maxed out momus staff special does the same base damage as a the first attack from the axe is crazy

[@lookalike4805]

Balance ? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@anitaremenarova6662]

I think that's fine for high fear runs, other aspects need buffing imo

[@supergamerfacility8992]

even with high fear runs, momus is beyond broken. A momus run with decently good luck on 20-30 fear feels as difficult for me as most other aspects on 0-10 fear, so it should definitely be nerfed imo

[@joedorben3504]

Wowww

[@GreenT_LoR]

Circe staff would be so much better if landing 21 attacks or specials counted once for every enemy hit. I think that would make it super fun to play because then you could just spam all your Omega moves all day. Boss fights would still be difficult though

[@Helikite]

The real problem is that even if that were all true you'd still run into your cast times being quite awful. So unless you pray day and night to Chaos you won't be a le to get that going in some fights.

[@SkyllerSY]

Serenity should also increase your omega moves speed, so you can charge them way faster to actually be able to use all that Magicka it gives.

[@soulstealer5625]

@@SkyllerSYit does tho?

[@Typhoeous]

@@soulstealer5625 Yes but 15% is not really sufficient to feel good vs Chronos as he disables the slowdown on cast effect

[@joehudson7007]

it only does what aspect of melinoe does, but worse, but it also regens mana... i think it would've been better suited on the sickle and dagger as an aspect. Circe and Artemis effects should be swapped around.

[@greyhound4639]

Mel aspect on the skull is highly underrated. The extra power means percentage based attack boons get huge value, especially Aphrodite. If you combo this with arcana that grant extra damage to enemies in your cast, attacks while not at full mana, and hammers that give more skulls and auto-return, you can constantly be putting out thousands of DPS.

[@АлександрПомазан-х7т]

Also, there's a hammer that lets you fire all 3 (or 5) skulls at once meaning you get bonus power even at point blank range

[@JakeTaco83]

Mel skulls is maybe my favorite aspect right now.

[@IXIammerlock]

i put out 300k dmg roughly with just basic attacks with those skulls. truly the most asleep ive ever been at the wheel. Blitz and frost is so good. Straight frost with a lucky amount of hammer upgrades i was outputting well over 1k per skull plus pickup explosion. That and the relic thingy that increase dmg done/taken every encounter goes nuts with it

[@jsweet6738]

i think youre slightly underrating aspect of mel on the skull, the damage ceiling is very high because that extra power means every percentage buff is a lot stronger. Getting bolstered array or looming ignition hammers really puts it over the top. It also has the benefit of not needing magick at high fear levels and greatly benefitting from the huntress arcana card because of that.

[@THEAWESOMEGHOST]

The extra ammo hammer makes it ridiculous

[@bordeaux8791]

Hard agree. The skull is effing awesome.

[@OysteinS]

With regards to strategy its arcana/fear strategy, it's quite similar to Momus in my opinion.

[@ciaranpatrick6859]

Agreed, Mel skull is quite good

[@leviyoung91]

Yea came in here to say something about Mel Skell. You can even run it with Zeus attack and spam to great results.

[@CapinKev]

Have to defend the aspect of Mel skulls. They're insane. Act just like aspect of Hera from the first game. Bolstered array (+2 shells) breaks them, or the hammer that makes them do damage while waiting for collection (kinda like exit wounds). Apollo or Aphrodite on attack, and ignore omega attack and specials. Super safe build too as most of your damage is done at distance. It's how I had my first chronos win and makes high fear easy.

[@Saracen93]

I think you meant Lightning Rod (Artemis/Zeus duo from Hades 1) not Exit Wounds.

[@CapinKev]

@@Saracen93 that's a much better comparison, thank you!

[@djolemisic3348]

If you omega the special on aspect of Moros and then start attacking, your ghosts will explode as soon as you start attacking. The tricky part is to always have your special up, but once you get used to it, you really start to do damage. This is by no means a broken aspect, but I just thought it deserved at least C or low B for it's hard use.

[@GreenT_LoR]

Imagine if you had the extended Omega special time with Moros! That would be so cool!

[@lookalike4805]

Its Powerful.. but it's one of the more Cumbersome Aspects and if you Visit *Chaos* it can easily Cripple you to Death. 😬

[@evuuz]

This is exactly what I've been doing and it's one of my favorite ways to play the game. A great build is to put Poseidon on the special and Hestia on attack or cast, then get the steam duo boon (scalding vapor).

[@allahamada8083]

That is exactly how you play moros,an omega special or two into attack and just melt

[@werencho]

@@evuuz that is the loadout of one of the trials, pretty fun

[@packmaster6249]

Aspect of Thanatos is insane with a "glass cannon" Zeus/Hephaestus build. Use the white antler keepsake, the strength arcana card, and the other arcana card that adds 5% crit (I forget the name) and you're at 65% crit chance when the run starts. Purposely take damage in the beginning then get the Heph blessings that give you armor. Then get Zeus for static shock and the "Master Conductor" duo. This setup fries EVERYTHING almost instantly. Using the fear system, you can remove your healing completely so fountains don't break the build later on. The beauty of the build is that RNG is usually on your side because the only thing you really need is armor from Heph, the rest is just icing on top.

[@sam.k.classic]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'll have to try this build. This is why the comment sections on these videos are good. People give suggestions/alternatives that haven't become popular or the main strategy yet...

[@mateo_marvel1346]

What's RNG?

[@packmaster6249]

@mateo_marvel1346 RNG means random number generator, but it's essentially what controls randomness is video games. Edit: Also, this comment was on an earlier version of Hades II, so things are much different now

[@moobo3944]

The omega special happens so infrequently with aspect of Persephone that when it eventually does happen I always just end up cancelling it by dodging. It could really use a special indicator or sound when its ready to go

[@elliel.5915]

Same, and usually I'm not expecting it so I just end up slamming into a wall and wasting it most of the time lmao

[@elburochan]

Don’t think of it like it’s either ready to go or it’s not, the Dail only indicates the amount of time you have while in that super omega special so you can do it at any time. It’s just the more charge you have the longer it lasts.

[@OtepRalloma]

As a staunch enjoyer of Aspect of Mel Silver Blades, gotta speak for it. A lot of my Hades 1 instincts carry over into it, I just love backstab damage a lot. Especially with the new closeup damage that Aphrodite can grant. Good stuff.

[@reboot3332]

I think one of the meta rewards or incantations should be to get to try out hammers in the training grounds after you discover them. That would allow you to try out different hammers for each aspect and see which works best.

[@liamconnor9235]

My first Chronos clear was actually with Moros torch, it’s really easy to get privileged status with omega special and spamming attacks, and the attacks instantly explode around you, especially if you have triple helix hammer. The damage cranks up insanely quick if you have something like Zeus special, so despite initially being my least favorite weapon torches became my favorite weapon somehow, especially Moros

[@herroyung857]

My first 32 fear Chronos was with Mel skull. Idk why no one’s mentioning it, but the hammer which triggers the omega attack after collecting the skull is absolutely busted. Huge damage in a huge area, clears rooms so fast. Once you get to chronos, the dps is over a thousand with just that hammer, and with the +2 skulls hammer? It’s just broken. I’m terrible at Chronos, so I pumped up all the stuff that wouldn’t affect him like more foes, since the aoe with that hammer makes clearing rooms so easy. And that made for a very easy Chronos fight.

[@cajwalkman761]

For Aspect of Moros: Use omega Special for triggering your attack blasts, more often than not while it is on, your attacks will immidiatly detonate at that range. Also staggers enemy's. So if your good at keeping enemies at kinda close range you'll do big damage with instant attack explosions. I like going Hera for special because of insane clear speed, demeter for cast, aphro for attack . Drop cast -> omega special -> hold attack and dash a couple times.

[@TheLongWind]

Whoops, patch just dropped. Gotta make another tier list.

[@Narokkurai]

Mel Skull seems tailor made for Apollo or Demeter attack. They both have really high scaling on their attack boons, and also make it easier to land all your skulls on targets from long distance. Combine with a long-range cast like Hestia or Zeus (pref Hestia so you can potentially get Scorch Cast for Origination) and you can get a ton of long-range burst damage for essentially 0 magick. It's kind of like the mana-less version of Charon that way.

[@Seikufu]

I really like Aspect of Persephone because it kind of plays into that fantasy of saving up power for a brief superpowered mode. Sort of like a better Dark Side, and similar to Poseidon's Call in the previous game. Not that the Omega Special is that OP, but that's the way it feels, and it feels so good in Tartarus when you get those chambers with millions of annoying enemies and you get to just crash into them all while impervious. I don't think the effect is really that strong, but as a design I think it's fun.

[@SVTBert]

Pro-tip: Use it with Hitch. Get the Sprint Hitch ability, get as many mobs hitched as you can, and hit your omega Special and you'll get an extended duration in pretty much every big group. It's very niche but it's pretty strong and lasts long enough to take out some of the armored mobs. Kinda bad against bosses though.

[@Hopefighter]

I think that the Aspect of Medea is the coolest aspect in the game. It is the only one that really changes the way you use a weapon whereas the others incentivize you to play different Medea forces you to play differently. Which is excellent.

[@freedon1705]

For moros: you're meant to use omega special then regular attack for the explosion Eos: born gain + just spam omega attack with the channeling attack hammers, its safer than melinoe because you can play at a distance and attack staggers, think of eos like a boomerang While melinoe is the best torch aspect eos is really close

[@coldshade8186]

Mel is better for speedrunning but when it comes to pushing fears I honestly think Eos is stronger

[@cantrip7]

Was gonna reply to mention this. I don't think it's the best Aspect in the world, but I find it comparable in power to other Torch Aspects.

[@coldshade8186]

@@cantrip7 The combination of good enough dps and ultimate safety gives it a spot in top5 of aspects for fear pushing imo

[@rlstrength]

Zeus omega cast with thanatos axe is goated, safest way to get the first win as a beginner. Really just need zeus cast and a cast targeting like hestia or zeus

[@lookalike4805]

*Howling Soul* !!! I won't settle for anything less. 😤

[@rlstrength]

@@lookalike4805 Unfortunately it's only obtainable when the run is almost over but it is really strong on bosses

[@allahamada8083]

I think u meant charon not than 😂

[@ResonanceRetroData]

​@allahamada8083 they may actually mean than, than boosts crit for every omega hit, so with a multihit omega cast like Zeus you could set it and build crit from a safe distance

[@ryanhoang1123]

id argue that the speedrunning build of aspect of moros + poseidon special is the safest way to get a first win since you never have to be in range of chronos's attacks and melee enemies

[@Hazy_slays]

Not sure if you’ve tried this, and I haven’t seen too many other people talking about it either- For the Aspect of Moros, if you pop a few omega specials and then fire the normal attack they’ll be detonated almost immediately in front of you by your omega special. If you put Aphrodite on the attack you melt everything that gets near you, it feels mechanically kind of similar to the area Poseidon duo cast

[@alvadagansta]

You slept on Mel Skull. Pretty much any attack hammer would make Mel Skull OP (fire all skulls at once, skulls grow larger, more max skulls)

[@StarfieldDisarray]

The Daggers feel like the best balanced Aspects, I would never turn up my nose at any of them while every other weapon has an Aspect that's just kinda ehhhhhh From what I've heard Persephone charges slowly not because the values are actually that *low* but because the maximum charge is unreasonably high.

[@rickyrojas2500]

Someone also said this but my favorite way to use Aspect of Moros is to use Omega Special, then just keep firing g away when close to an enemy. The attack will just hit the Omega Special and go boom immediately, making for big damage. Especially with the right hammer setup

[@criter96]

For me special on Moros aspect lasts too short. You channel it and it's instantly gone

[@salmonbamminfish2925]

For moros aspect it’s better to omega special once or twice then attack but it’s still pretty bad because the blasts aren’t affected by attack boons

[@lookalike4805]

This Feels like an Oversight... I noticed it's the same with the Hammer that makes the Skulls Deal Damage while they are out ... Its not affected by Boons. Meanwhile the Adamant Rail with The Aspect of Lucifer did inherit Boon Effects. 👀

[@nadavshabat1823]

I wish the amount of hits needed to gain serenity would change and not the duration since it's long enough already

[@Mark70775]

Would defo put aspect of Charon in S it’s so versatile with cast builds and also triggers duo boom cast builds like Apollo Zeus and Poseidonxhephesteous. Can basically three shot most guardians if you play right

[@GreatPastaHeist]

Nice list! My biggest difference in experience is Moros flames. Omega special plus frequent attacking, and with the right gods it's easy to get two curses up at the same time. It's a lot of fun for me, and some satisfying big damage numbers

[@champiggyfrm_pig5271]

I love the torch that returns to you, one of my favorite weapons. Although tbf I probably only like it because of born gain, without that then yeah the torches feel bad

[@TheSeldomRare]

Yeah me too I agree with him tho, that it's not that strong But its just super fun to use

[@lookalike4805]

@GoXDS Its actually not.... Getting them to hit is Easy.... The Issue is Dashing in such a Linear Fashion leaves you Vulnerable to cornering yourself or getting Surrounded. Sometimes you have to Choose Between Benefitting from the Aspect or Avoiding Taking Damage... 👀

[@TheSUGA1202]

So regarding Lim and Oros, if you use the omega attack and hold it while having the arcana that slows time active and dash you refreshesh the slowing time effect, thus creating an artificial "turn" like in transistor, you can activate your cast and omega cast while being holding that turn and it becomes easier to avoid any attack, for new players i think it would be cool to remember this mechanic since there arent any other noct arms that work like this.

[@soulstealer5625]

How interesting. My friend swears by the medea aspect but i loathe it. Died 3 times in erebus while all over aspects im beating my runs. Axe honestly feels underwhelming as than one im always going to get hit at some point so the default aspect is mt preferred. I like the circe aspect cause ir lets me ignore magic boons.

[@fruitcakemtdew]

The way I use the Circe staff is basically a build where the only omega move I use is the cast, and I find a way to hit repeatedly with the main attack or special, because then that way by the time I run out of MP I’ll have triggered serenity, so I don’t have to worry about getting a magic regen boon because I won’t need it. Not claiming it’s super strong because it’s not but there are ways to make it work

[@drumstep9135]

Something i think is important for the moros torches is controlling the speed of the attacks you send out. While holding the attack button, if you hold movement away from the enemy the attack moves slowly and stops moving much closer to mel. If you hold movement in the direction of the enemy it moves really fast and travels farther. Interestingly, moros is the only torch aspect where the attacks have collision detection with each other, and what happens if two attacks collide is they both IMMEDIATELY freeze in place. So if you shoot a slow attack and then a fast attack in sequence you can get two attacks to stop in place surprisingly close to mel, and then keep firing at that cluster to get a big bunch to all blow up together. The timing also works out that if you use normal special, then slow shot fast shot, they freeze in place at basically exactly the line the special circles for a nice little 3 shot combo. Another quick way to built an attack cluster is to fire a neutral speed attack and dash to follow it while holding the attack button, which makes you fire the second shot directly into the first one and freeze both of them right where you are standing. The omega attack has different collision with the normal attacks where it basically pushes them out of the way, but iirc have the same freezing in place interaction with other omega attacks.

[@danialp]

Aspect of Persephone Skull is my favorite, you charge it around each region and then go ham against the guardians, it takes a huge chunk of their health bar if well timed.

[@zleepy0664]

I feel like the aspect of Charon should be higher and torches lower. But overall I would agree with this list

[@lookalike4805]

I disagree with that Feeling. Torches feel Terrible to Use but their Performance is definitely far Above all the Axe Aspects. 👀

[@zleepy0664]

@lookalike4805 This feels like bait, but while I do disagree with you, I will concur that torches feel awful to play. And I believe torches should get some adjustments (specifically to the attack, which really feels awful and needs some help).

[@MrPiotrV]

@@lookalike4805 if your performance with axe is worse than with torches you're definitely doing something wrong

[@lookalike4805]

@@MrPiotrV I'm listening.... 👀

[@MrPiotrV]

@@lookalike4805the axe is just a lot better than the flames, that's all

[@GrockMutt]

The Artemis aspect of the daggers is so useful, not just for the damage, but for the utility. Every 15 seconds you can block an attack, even Chronos’s instant kill move! Extremely useful in the case that you can’t reach the safe zone in time.

[@cmike123]

Apollo on the Skull attacks is probably the nicest Boon. It makes the Omega so damn big. Apollo just really works well with the Skull. I fell in love with the Hammer that turns your cast into an massive bomb that can hurt you too. It works almost too well with the Apollo Cast (it is big and explodes again after it explodes the first time) and the Apollo Cast enhancement that makes your Cast expand. You just have to be careful in tiny rooms.

[@shmooters5599]

Circe staff just feels redundant once you get a decent regen boon. I’d have to double check to see if it still regens while charging since most turn that off. If it doesn’t there isn’t much benefit to having it. It recharges super fast, but I feel that the staff usually isn’t mana hungry enough to warrant such huge regen

[@MaimedFern]

The strength of mel axe is not an attack speed buff - its having near infinite movement options while attacking. Dashing between every single attack of the base combo or throwing out point blank counters without getting hit back is super fun and a surprisingly powerful (if a tad defensive) playstyle to run

[@themobiustripper]

Fluid Gain actually makes the omega attack on the torches viable, since it allows you to constantly fire while collecting spirit bubbles.

[@LycanDreams9159]

My biggest issue with aspect of Persephone is that the icon for charging the glory isn’t flashy enough so that we can see how soon we will get the effect so we can plan for it. I will be fighting for multiple rooms and then randomly I will use the omega special and all of a sudden it’s the empowered one….wasted on a couple of non threatening goons.

[@glngrbread6363]

Aspect of moros is incredible, especially for bosses. Basically, you have to prefire your attacks from range, ghosts block eachother from moving, and since they last so long you can stack up a bunch while still doing damage and then blash them all with your special at once, and you can maximize the damage from your arcana and boons really easily since it all happens at 1 time. I think Zeus special is required, since you proc it so easy and the damage is so consistant, and then hestia, posioden, apolo, and (sometimes) hephestus and demeter can be really good on your attack. I do get what you mean about the ghosts going to far, but the funny thing is only the omega attacks ruin your stacks and mines, so you either have to have a build that prefers not to omega attack, or you have to play around individual ghosts from your omega attack with apollo or demerer.

[@chsr357]

I actually like the aspect of Moros for the torches. While omega special is spinning is when I'm firing the attack. They detonate almost immediately. Just have to strafe around enemies and stay in close quarters while it's going, but I've been having fun with them ever since being forced to use them in one of the Chaos trials.

[@sabrina0013]

mel's daggers are golden for pure melee or no-magick builds. especially if you get the right hammer or arphodite's boon to up the damage even more, and artemis's arrows or zeus's chain lightning. then you just park behind a boss and watch the healthbar quickly melt away

[@sh.walker]

They should buff the skull by making your shells return to you after you use omega special

[@cajwalkman761]

Aspect of Mel for Skull: Aphro posoidon duo boon: Treat all enemies as nearby. Aphro Attack. Huntress Arcana. If you get + 2 Shells hammer you do so much damage. It's actually crazy. Works without the hammer well too.

[@SerrantDaFoeII]

The way I've found to make good use of Moros is to fire the attack through the omega special whilst it's orbiting you, making it detonate instantly. It makes it so it's relatively short ranged, and you have to dance around enemies a lot, but it's good damage and AoE, and I find it's a fun playstyle

[@ciaranpatrick6859]

Finally, I see so many people dismissing the torches especially aspect of Melinoe, but I find it crazy strong with a good setup

[@jackclark4025]

I think second aspect for the torch is supposed to be comboed with the omega special. Get the balls spinning around you, immediately detonate all your attacks for burat damage. Helps with the stagger problem

[@Tralldan]

I feel like Eos is really slept on. The "magick regen while channeling" problem can be completely negated with born gain, there are a bunch of very good attack boons you can get (Poseidon, Hera, Apollo, even Demeter), and there are some excellent hammers you can get for the attack channel. It's obviously not as good as Momus or Pan, maybe not even Medea, but it's my favorite torch aspect and probably one of my fav weapons overall.

[@Malakree]

You can use Persephone special for some really dodgy stuff, just because it makes you immune. At max it lasts for ages, there's also some decent hammers for it.

[@lookalike4805]

Isn't the Omega Special Invulnerable for all the Aspects ? 🤔

[@Voicelet]

Circe is weird since if you build toward spamming normals then you won't need serenity, if you build toward omega you are better off with Mel's, and if you build like the mirror urges you... Good luck with your hammer roll. For the Torch, I've learned that every aspect should be using omega special and be creative about it: Mel's is obvious, with Moros you just going melee attack right after, and you can be very creative with how you want the omega special to function for when you dash in to cash in the Eos attacks. Torch would be a whole lot better if they fix attack channeling (before omega comes out) to be able to regen magic.

[@Haelian]

Yeah Circe feels strange in a game where the hammer(s) you get kinda dictate how you're gonna play but most do not benefit both Omegas and Normals.

[@Emil-Roma]

I was actually amazed by the Eos torches. I really wasn't feeling the torches until I started using it and got the rhythm down, and now it may be my favorite weapon. Highly recommend it with Hera.

[@mharnie6937]

Aspect of Thanatos and Aspect of Pan are my faves atm, plus aspect of mel on ignium is surprisingly fun!

[@JakeTaco83]

I like to use Demeter on the Torch special to freeze enemies since they dont stagger. I had a lot of trouble not taking damage at first with Torches. That and they screen gets messy and its hard to see attacks at times. Her freeze effect was what I wanted from her in Hades 1 or at least a more significant slowdown.

[@Emerald29]

For Moros' aspect you can use omega special to detonate your ghosts instantly while attacking. Still sucks ass tho

[@Haelian]

LOL

[@ZPhoenix94]

I'm currently loving Aspect of Thanatos with cast buffing Arcanas, Zeus Cast, Double Strike and either Zeus or Hestia's cast projectile. It melts anything and carried me through Fear 32 Surface.

[@LycanDreams9159]

I’m interested in using the aspects of Charon for cast focus build even if your not exploding your cast. Those extra 3 seconds feel powerful on those damaging cast boons like Zeus or Demeter or a funny scorch build with hestia

[@derandi2324]

moros flames id say are heavily underrated. the way i do it is throw out a omega and point blank blow up the attack. one run i did hestia special and cast demeter attack secondary cast and accompanying cast and apollo cast growth and magick gain n double hit chance. cleans out rooms fairly quickly and ramps up dot well too charon axe also enjoys the block dmg buff hammer since youll naturally use it and its a nice big buff also noteworthy idk if it works the artemis cast pierce shot feels a great pair to it as it uses the omega cast dmg to pop

[@84SuperBeast]

I think Pan could use the +3 cast duration or they change the cast duration to be affected by the time slowdown from the arcana card. Not that it needs to be stronger but I think it would help it feel more rewarding. I haven't used it much but I feel like most of the time the extra blades just aren't worth the time investment because I either have to dodge or the cast duration ends

[@rileyg1421]

I was surprised to hear the torches are critiqued amongst players. Torch and Axe were the only weapon I could easily clear with for awhile, and remains to be the 2 i struggle least with clearing testaments. Im excited to dump some time into your S ranks and bring out their potential.

[@Masun1223]

I had a run with aspect of Mel and got the hammer that treats your omega attack as rockets and the shotgun one and it worked really well for me.

[@sleshstamp]

My first clear was with Mel torches. Exactly like you said just slap Poseidon on the special and it's pretty great.

[@spiritbond8]

On the aspect of Moros you can have special already flying and explode your attacks midair.

[@bleakeclipse]

Can't you use the omega special with aspect of moros and, while they are spinning around you, use the attack to explode in contact with the omega special?

[@bleakeclipse]

I also think for aspect of charon its beneficial to use the cast in the middle of the omega special channel (near the end of the blocking animation), that way you can do what's called "confirm" in fighting games, if you see the enemy didn't move away while channeling the omega special, you have the option to confirm that you wanna do big damage by using the cast, if they did, just proceed with the omega special only without wasting time

[@murphthasmurf5923]

idk if aspect of Persephone is D tier, the text of the ability isn’t very relevant but similar to Momus it just increases the damage on your best attacking option (omega special on the skull) by a solid chunk

[@fabe61]

I currently find the interactions between blocks and dodge chance quite annoying. When using the Artemis daggers or one of the hammers for the axe, you need to reliably know when you’re blocking to time the moves properly. A few lucky dodges can ironically make you vulnerable because they throw off timing. I think there could be a priority ordering where you can’t dodge while blocking or something.

[@slugplushie3787]

For aspect of medea I strongly recommend putting special on the attack button and attack on the left bumper. Feels just like cast shield in hades 1 but a lot faster and more mobile

[@fatmanfalling]

Straight up spamming attack with the Mel Skull is the only aspect besides Poseidon spam staff that I can reliably win with

[@TheMysteriouswatcher]

Aspect of Circe in D is WILD. Serenity means you don't have to pick a mana recharge boon over something else since the restoration rate is insanely high AND it fully restores your mana when it procs. The only hammer you really need is the one that makes your special fire twice which in turn cuts in half the amount of shots you need to proc Serenity (can do without it, it's just slower). Then, you can build around either Omega as you see fit. I always do this one with a Zeus centric build (and I try to always go for Apollo duo) and aim for Air Quality infusion for minimum 30 damage per hit. This gives almost as much power as the entire Aspect of Momus AS A BOON. Then I like to put Poseidon on special and hopefully, Zeus prime mana for chain lightning. Suddenly, your basic special is a super high damage machine gun with AOE that charges up your big nukes. If you can get a good hex (I've found the best one to be the time slow one) you can create a feedback loop that means you spend enough mana to ready up your next hex before the current one is even over, thanks to the insane regen and high mana spend ability of the staff. This build alone has allowed me to go on a win streak, I believe I'm on 6 consecutive victories now and the most recent one was 8 Fear (for the first statue).

[@evilslayer3405]

for the moros aspect of the flames, after doing the trial, i think it is interesting spamming omega or normal special and then doing attack. You generate some damage by doing the explosions quite frequently. It is still not as good as the melinoe aspect

[@krislynch9426]

I think the moros aspect on the torches is meant to really work with the omega special. So your spinning orbs hit the ghosts while you channel.

[@coldshade8186]

Eos torches are slept on and I'll swear by that. This weapon does some incredible aoe and single target burst, it's at least A-tier for fear pushing

[@justinbuergi9867]

Was just looking for this video! Momus spear got me to 20 heat but getting higher than that has started stressing me out so I’m trying other aspects Axe of charon is pretty fun but takes a bit of time to set up properly and really needs a good mana regen Daggers of pan have been fun too especially with the hammer that shoots out in all directions

[@Bards.98]

That hammer and the hammer that the daggers come back to you and backstab is almost an insta gg

[@yesim8508]

I just thought the Persephone skull boosted omega special damage and jusy alternated between the attacks and omega special through enemies to pick them up. I assumed it was a bug whenever the omega special seemed to last too long.

[@katherinesanderson8990]

I love the torches, I just put Hera on the specials and start firing, I don't even bother with the omega special so I usually use Moros to throw the occasional attack out there to explode. Hate the skull though, I've tried it a few times and everytime it just feels bad.

[@majtravien4381]

The way to use Moros torches I think is to omega special first adn then start shooting the attack. You do have to be within the special range (like with Mel's torches), but the +% to attack damage and the AOE of the burst do make it an attractive aspect imo. if the devs change the issue of not being able to regen magick while attacking (only 2 magick regen boons being even remotely viable for all of the aspect of the weapon if you want to use All of the weapon is a Problem imo), the Moros torches will become even more fun i think.

[@hilfazer]

While the extended omega special of Persephone is underwhelming that extra damage for every omega move is pretty good. Gotta try it with a cast build.

[@simonw7570]

the way you avoided extreme big ghost dmg from the EOS torches by dashing the wrong way :I EEEK

[@MajorMerino]

Axe of Mel is actually really good with omega special for beginners as it lets you spam it safely with faster blocking recovery between specials

[@lookalike4805]

The Recover isn't even Long to begin with... I would say it's Non-existant. 🤔

[@reboot3332]

For aspect off persephone, try Hera on the special and watch rooms and bosses melt. I think its the strongest aspect out of the skulls IMO cause that omega special dmg increase is insane.

[@michaelsteffeck6114]

Charon gave me my best run yet. I got the special speed hammer, Apollo cast and special, Hestia cast throw, Hera cast growth and regen. It was amazing

[@dread46]

Had once the Aspect of Pan on daggers and then got the 'special returns to you and does backstab dmg' and the '+15% dmg and they hit two additional enemies. On top of that artemis boon that shoots tiny little arrows whenever i hit enemies. Needles to say, this run was giga busted and guaranteed my second chronos kill :)

[@eloytoro]

aspect of charon below medea?? aspect of artemis below thanatos???

[@Haelian]

Pineapple juice?? In the cupboard???

[@eragong1]

Medea is really fun! I didn’t have trouble hitting enemies except the sea monster mini boss in Oceanus which was really hard to hit because he’s off the edge of the map

[@Helikite]

I really cannot wait for the 6th weapon and the rest of the aspects. I hope they will make hidden ones but who knows.

[@Exaltable]

Feel like both Artemis and Mel dags were underrated. Granted they don’t always fit the highest fear runs but Mel dags are so flexible to get a successful run off and there’s no better boss killer than Artemis with just a few of the right damage boons.

[@laxxius]

I went over this as I was trying to go to sleep last night at 2am so I have to post it here now, my ideas to fix some of the "unloved" aspects in this game rn: **Circe Staff** Serenity instead makes all your abilities cost 0 mana. Because it's only a timed effect, and still would require 21 hits to activate I don't think this is too busted. If it is, just make the cost of Omega-Moves specifically become 0 with serenity. This would give Circe staff a really unique use-case. **Melinoe Blades** These are already mostly fine, but overshadowed by Artemis for sure. Since the backstab bonus is kind of implying a "stealthy rogue" build, maybe an addeed dodge chance bonus with this aspect would feel thematic. Or maybe, killing an enemy with backstab damage gives you +100% dodge chance for the next hit. This would gives Melinoe blades a niche over artemis because they would be more defensive. **The Umbral Flames In General** I personally think all the aspects are fine, even Moros (omega-special then dash attacking works nicely). There are two things I would change about the flames in general though. 1) Give the attack a larger/more intuitive hitbox. This is a change I'm not exactly sure how to implement, but I think some microadjustments to the attack could get it working maybe. 2 - the more important change imo) It took me several runs with the torches before I realized you could dash during the attack. In fact, you can dash during the Omega-Attack and it won't cancel the omega attack. I believe the fact that you can do this is unintuitive due to the stance melinoe is in when using the torches' attacks. During the attack animation, mel makes large swinging motions with her arms and her legs are stood up straight. This gives the impression that you shouldn't be able to dash, intuitively. I would change the attack animation to mel standing with her knees bent as though she's ready to move quickly, and I'd make her arms do alternating "stabbing" motions to fire the torch's attack. This would make it more clear that you can dash while attacking, and might make the direction the attacks go more intuitive. **The Axe** The axe is perfect **Persephone Skull** Make this aspect give the omega-special an increased length by default, so the player can get used to the longer omega-special on schelemeus. This is a bold change, but I'd make Glory charge from using the Omega attack. The Glory gauge would cap from ~6 uses of the omega attack, and lengthen the omega special by ~0.5s each use (these numbers would have to be played around with). This would be nice cause finally one of the aspects would want to use the omega attack (though I guess Mel certainly could like to as well), and charging the omega special would feel a lot more natural. Finally, add a sound effect that plays when the Glory gauge is full.

[@eshansingh1]

I think you're definitely underestimating the Aspect of Persephone. Yes it definitely builds up too slowly but it's incredibly good for dealing with large groups in the Mourning Fields and in the Chronos fight in general because you can move around during your empowered Omega special. You don't have to wait for it to be charged up all the way to be useful. And on top of that it also provides a passive +30% to all omegas regardless of Glory which is nothing to sneeze at either, it means you're still getting good value even if you don't get the Omega Special hammers.

[@Haelian]

I'll admit that it's one that I need to get more runs with but so far it hasn't clicked together for me (other than the basic additional Omega damage). I'm not calling it terrible, I just don't think it's as good as others from my current experience.

[@predick]

I actually find moros torches to be really fun. Instead of doing the long range gameplay you stick to the enemy with omega special and the attacks explode immediately and to tons of dmg. I'm yet to try it on higher fear tho

[@victoriamcclure321]

Aspect of Thanatos is so good, but it's so glitchy. picking up any hammers that affect your omega attack makes it only do 1 proc per cast, making it super inconvenient whenever you get hit.

[@justarandomdood]

Thank you mr. dan strimmer for giving your objective opinion 🙏🙏🙏

[@johncrenshaw6673]

Hard disagree on Medea, specifically because there's content that is borderline unplayable with it (looking at you cyclops.) The burst damage makes it almost the most playable aspect for the skull, and it IS interesting to play. Even so, the lack of invulnerability frames, the loading time, the auto-explode after 3 seconds, and the presence of a guardian that can't be dispatched with this aspect makes it a D for me.

[@Saracen93]

The damage output is insane though with Blitz on the special and a good attack boon. Look at speed runners (just for the dps aspect, I don’t care for speed.) the damage is so high and immediate that it sort of negates the risks once you master it.

[@RamikinHorde]

Do you mean because of the stomps? The cyclops isn't a problem with Medea at all, you just have to wait for openings. Things like the sea serpent mini boss are way more troublesome because you can't use the special to trigger the blasts due to him being off the map and the small hitboxes

[@Haelian]

It's a challenging aspect to play, I agree, but I can't deny the damage possibilities.

[@HeavensBane53]

The only 2 I hard disagree with are aspect of Moros and aspect of Persephone. With your omega special active on moros your attacks will usually explode in melee range (always if you take the hammer for +1 omega special flame). It's a great aspect for just pumping out a lot of damage in melee range, with the added benefit that you actually get to stagger enemies while doing it. While the inability to restore mana while attacking can hinder it a bit, it's a pretty good aspect and I think deserves B. For Persephone I think it could easily be A tier. The charge is only painfully slow in low population rooms, put it in a big swarm of enemies and a single glory'd omega special can potentially charge up the next. I've found it works extra well in this regard with aspect of Hera on special for absolute room clearing that only gets stronger the more enemies there are. And as you said, the omega special is inherently strong so just buffing up its damage is pretty solid to begin with. My only major issues with the build are that it's mana hungry, and that if you don't find an additional source of damage (usually the cast for me) then it can struggle vs Eris/Cerberus/Chronos.

[@lindezzzzz949]

Medea's aspect for the skull is a really weird one for me. The damage is really solid, and I love the extra movement from the special that the skull has. But almost needing to rely on your special to deliver your hits make it very risky to lunge at anything, especially if they're armored. And then some enemies, especially in Oceanus, are difficult to hit because they're outside the terrain, and the lunge can be tricky to move over gaps and impossible to hit even if outside of the arena, without using the omega attack. This was esp. obvious on the sea serpent mini-boss. As it stands, the weapon isn't weapon isn't weak, but is very risky to actually use to its full potential, and kinda discourages the fast and intense gameplay that I enjoy playing like. At the end of the day, this could just be a skill issue on my part. I'm probably supposed to be using more omega specials for the invuln. and playing more calculated instead of rush and beat-down.

[@slimandlean]

Love your content! Think we could get an updated tier list since a lot of the aspects have been changed?

[@citrinydus]

I use Aspect of Persephone for Zeus Cast because it the Omega damage applies to all Omega, and prob the only aspect that can buff Zeus cast damage other than Charon

[@MrMarnel]

I haven't seen it yet but trying to understand how it works: is Persephone skull basically Poseidon Call from the first game?

[@Haelian]

Kinda yeah, just takes a lot to charge it up.