Ranking every fighting game controller.

[@woutervanham8246]

Cool list, but you're forgetting about the truly optimal controller: Bringing your own arcade cabinet to the tournement with no buttons for the opponent

[@Erosvianarocha2608]

that's some next level matrix einstein shit

[@mydemon]

How do you avoid getting punched in the back of the head then

[@davidcurameng]

This.

[@NoGreatImport]

I hate the fact that I'm debating buying a 1Up Pac-Man mini arcade cabinet to mod after reading this.

[@robertbrazas9287]

Muahahahaha!!

[@Varshun]

just a heads up you forgot to cover the dk bongos. with only access to two buttons it allows you to really optimize your inputs and ignore all the extra uneeded things in a fg.

[@ms08gouf]

The optimal divekick controller

[@itloaf]

that's what I'm sayinnn

[@anon3631]

Makoto players play on those

[@nameputhpong9041]

Just reaaaaaaally hone in on pressing forward and backwards at the same time, u kno?

[@PapaBPoppin]

Omg has anyone made a 2p Dropkick controller out of that?!

[@keeganbertsch8808]

I think we need to be considering the DDR Dance Mat in terms of undiscovered tech. Can you imagine the sweat glistening off your grippers as they tap dance a raging demon? GOATED stuff for sure.

[@paulmestrejr5904]

Bro if a mf did a whole moonwalk into the tip toes then a backflip and I lose. That’s it, end of my fighting game career😭😭😭

[@KinokoRyu]

I would love to see this at EVO 2023, 🤣🤣

[@darkhobo]

You end up doing a dragon punch trying to do a dragon punch

[@brandonwilbur2146]

Tap dance EWGF

[@letmeshowumypkmn]

finally, IRL Korean Backdashes

[@TheDocbach]

They should make fighting game tournaments where everyone has a lottery as to which gaming peripheral they will recieve. Maybe you luck out an get a pad. Maybe you get hosed and get a Wii U nunchuck. It would definitely lower the skill cieling but it would be funny af.

[@Zetact_]

Tournament would be best if it was for some wonky semi-obscure game that may or may not have insane inputs like Arcana Heart.

[@kingoftheblackpeople4632]

or maybe one where only non traditional/unconventional controllers are allowed so anything besides hitboxes sticks and pads are allowed

[@deciett]

Dictate device type by seed. Top seeded players draw from a pool of less-orthodox controllers. Give everyone a day to acclimate before the bracket starts. Would be funny as hell to see a top rated player whoop somebody's ass on a ddr pad.

[@TheDocbach]

@@deciett LOL that's a good idea! It would balance out the tallent a bit. Give some lesser known names a chance to shine for a day.

[@Shuttergun1]

@@deciett ok but the DDR pad is straight up disrespectful Imagine watching a pro literally dancing while he is clapping your ass

[@LucDaMan4]

Can't believe you didn't talk about Wii Remote for tatsunoko vs capcom, huge L for the jmcrofts channel

[@BrainFuzz111]

Or Guilty Gear's Wii motion controls lmao kzbin.info/www/bejne/epvHiKKwhNxpgrM

[@ARandomClown]

i think truly optimal would be a piano; every key is a different combination of inputs, and it also inflicts untold mental damage when your opponent has to listen to the sound of their ass getting beat as a song

[@avaedana4763]

Guile Theme on piano playing as Guile

[@JulioCrsm]

Straight up going full Big Band, feeling the beat.

[@crocooks5851]

6 months late but it gave me an idea so i did some research. You could set up a MIDI keyboard nd some macros to actually do this pretty easily. A dude on reddit said he played through DMC5 like this lmao

[@caucasiancrustacean1549]

This is the quality content I subscribed for

[@eladiomendez8226]

The fact that you can use the MAS stick in a real fight truly places it over all other controls

[@aimlesscrown647]

The Wii u game pad is obviously the best controller, because you can draw your moves.

[@Chanse1989]

"You never hold down back because you don't need it." Truer words have never been said.

[@HeavyMetalLink05]

All this time I thought I was bad. But clearly its because I use a bottom tier controller After watching this I bought a MAS Stick and won my local without even taking damage, life is good. Thanks JMCrofts

[@xdsxds487]

It’s MAS

[@snakefabel]

i went into this expecting a serious video about fighting game controllers and i wasn't disappointed. i'm definitely looking into the pizza box battle station. you can distract your opponent with the smell of a fresh, homemade pepperoni pizza while you mash out near impossible, frame perfect infinites and then have yourself a snack between rounds. 10/10 best controller.

[@ModernWarfareMan977]

How could you forget the Wiimote + Nunchuck combo?? Truly a tourney staple.

[@havoc_xv]

"hit the clutch to do a DP" is a sentence I never thought I'd hear a human say.

[@capsule2015]

You missed the keyboard which is my primary controller for fighting games (as well as all games), I guess the hitbox is similar though. Overall great list.

[@brrr5733]

No cap playing keyboard is lowkey an advantage on charge characters.

[@Luminousplayer]

hitbox is pretty much an optimized keyboard experience

[@Fisherington]

Actually, any controller that allows you to type out the phrase "Furry porn is my favorite type of porn" is actually illegal and you should be arrested for indulging it.

[@Felipera_]

@@Luminousplayer yep, keyboard for fat fingers like me

[@f1r3hunt3rz5]

Same. We keyboard players have long known about the advantage a keyboard gives, but we choose to keep quiet until Hitbox came.

[@DonnyKirkMusic]

When Dark Souls 1 PVP was popular and there was the term "backstab fishing" I actually got a PS1 fishing rod controller to work with the game. I actually beat a lot of players with it! The motion sensor still worked in it so I bound it to the normal R1 attack, so when I backstabbed people I had to swing the rod like I was casting out lmao, and the reel was bound to the roll button so I just cranked the reel to be able to roll around.

[@bluedistortions]

LEGEND

[@seyithanyeniceri2940]

Holy Shit man this is legendary

[@charohazard]

ah the art of bs and counter bs tech

[@jMFbirdy]

"theres no gate so you dont know when your holding d+b so i think it makes you a stronger rushdown player"

[@titanicturtle]

Surprised at the glaring omission of the Wii Fit balance board for truly intuitive footsies

[@dantepatel]

Nice coincidence that you posted this, I just bought the Fighting Commander this week. Really love it!

[@EmeraldLance]

"JM put up a controller tier list? Hell yeah!" (it's a meme list) "Hell yeah!"

[@tectiva6126]

I honestly thought that he was gonna put the kinect in Truly Optimal tier.

[@NaoGaiz]

definitely some strong options here but i think i'll stick to my Tony Hawk: Ride skateboard peripheral controller thank you very much

[@CamXXL]

My man had a C4 detonator safety switch on his stick

[@whenry369]

I wonder if the biggest flex wouldn't be a modded Atari 2600 controller. Just a joystick and one button. If you can win with that, you can win with anything.

[@elgordobondiola]

Go to a jojos tournament and make the button alternate to a different button every input (light, hard, stand) If you know, you know.

[@leovanilla6833]

I would non ironically love to learn a fighting game solely through a Guitar Hero controller.

[@jeboss2714]

through the litteral fire and flames

[@assassinonprozac]

I tried to play MK on a Guitar Hero controller one time, surprisingly wasn’t that bad.

[@WrathMilten]

Put on a witch hat and start Maining I-no

[@andyblanton6570]

If I design a fighting game, it will be around some outdated rhythm game peripheral.

[@leovanilla6833]

@@WrathMilten As an Ino main, I'm ashamed that I didn't think of that.

[@kumwagen]

this is the tier list we all needed in these silly times

[@Shendue]

Truly one of the lists of all times.

[@edpistemic]

I think the NES ROB is a control method worth investigating. Imagine that bad boy doing all the 720s for Zangief!!

[@masonasaro2118]

imagine someone designs a modified R.O.B that actually could keep up in a fighter

[@RanmyakuIchi]

Back in my Marvel 3 days, I played Vergil with an Onimusha katana controller for the purest experence.

[@dectilon]

I hope the guy who beat dark souls on a banana enters some tournaments and shows us the future.

[@theredkatana]

The secret best controller is an off-brand USB wired six-button Genesis controller with two shoulder buttons. Not the SEGA-licensed ones, those feel the best at first but you'll kill them doing pretzel motions.

[@snowballzyt]

where is keyboard

[@williamcase426]

no

[@sielklavar]

Don't forget about the PlayStation eye toy. Having to swing your arms to hit the opponent will assist in making you a better fighter in real life as well. Not to mention that because you'll have to stand behind your opponent they have to completely look away from the screen to read your inputs while giving you a clear visual advantage towards reading theirs.

[@SlickRick4EVER]

When I do multiple hip thrusts, it releases the super!

[@Tokioka]

I'd like to see the time crisis light gun ranked. Or the resident evil 4 chainsaw. Could be some interesting tech.

[@Zevaeros]

Dragon Quest slime controller crew represent

[@shanewilliams4614]

I beat my brother in mk deadly alliance on a house of the dead gun controller. Got good enough with it that I could constantly fatality with scorpion on it.

[@DemikDragonganger]

This is clearly your new best and most informative video ever!

[@MJRLHobbyStuff]

I believe my dream controller would be the 9 stick hurt box, BUT all the sticks are the claw machine type with the button on the top of the stick. NOW that’s next level lol

[@TheCrewExpendable]

Potemkin Battleststion is basically a mechanical macro. Now I’m imagining people 3D printing weird plastic contraptions for their Sticks/Controllers/boxes that facilitates hitting buttons in a specific order with specific timing.

[@Bobgriffon]

Man, just ignoring the true top tier, the Resident Evil 4 Chainsaw controller. Being able to make a shitty chainsaw sound on command is peak intimidation factor.

[@zy7958]

This video made me sell my hitbox , clearly not optimal enough.

[@NeoGeo822]

Hitbox removes execution from fighting games. Stick players and pad players are Goat.

[@Zetact_]

After long Devil May Cry sessions I think that it's safe to say that the big problem with pad is that it will make your wrists and fingers feel like a tissue box thrown into a blender, perhaps because of how baby tiny newer controllers are. The main issue with the Battle Station is that you can only practically use it at locals because you won't be able to bring it onto a plane.

[@Astigos]

True. You're gonna get put on an FBI list if you try to carry that cardboard box full of wires onto a plane.

[@assassinonprozac]

I’ve never had much hand pain after playing DMC for long periods of time with an Xbox One controller, and I have pretty big hands. The only time I’ve ever had hand pain was when I played for 9 hours straight one time so unless you’re playing unreasonably long sessions with no breaks I don’t see why your hands would hurt (other than maybe getting friction burns on your thumbs). I have had that problem with PlayStation controllers though, I genuinely don’t think the DualShock controllers were meant for human hands, they’re so tiny. From what I’ve seen the Dualsense is a lot bigger so maybe that’s been fixed.

[@Zetact_]

@@assassinonprozac Yeah, I can't put my hands on an Xbox-style controller with any degree of comfort, I've played mainly on Dualshock. Also a majority of my painful memories are definitely related to playing a lot of Nero so having to constantly hold down the shoulder buttons to keep the charge shot contributes to a lot of the left hand pain. For other games that use a lot of the D-pad for movement I will say that there's a ton of friction burn problems. Especially for fighting games where you do actively need to roll your fingers across the pad.

[@duxnihilo]

I vote we turn 'goldeneye' into a verb. To goldeneye: to watch or monitor the opponent player's screen or controller inputs in order to gain an advantage. "Hey, stop goldeneyeing me!"

[@deciett]

I've always heard this referred to as screen cheating / peeking. The hayday of splitscreen multiplayer was so long before the internet truly took off that I wouldn't be surprised there are dozens of different terms people have used for it.

[@PrecursorIdeliron]

“You never hold Down-Back because you never need it.” Somewhere, the Guilty Gear Slayer Population all rose up in support, and they don’t know why…

[@AgentBacalhau]

I played once on American style buttons, on an arcade cabinet at this arcade bar in Brazil. My fingers genuinely hurt after 3-4 games and I play on stick, so I'm used to pressing arcade buttons. JM wasn't lying when he said they were heavy.

[@rayplaysgames_RPG]

🐱

[@jonathonjones2611]

This is the best video you have ever created. :D Based on the amount of times I've seen them thrown at people, PS controllers also make pretty good weapons.

[@Luminousplayer]

MAS-Stick endgame is that YOU become the fighting game character from all the practice...

[@rodneypalode2555]

This perfect ! I'm referring all my friends to this video if they ever ask me about a controller question.

[@Eroil]

Clicked the video thinking if was serious at first, which made it pretty funny when the guitar hero controller dropped

[@Kooolken]

You earned a subscriber here with this video. The sarcasm, the light hearted approach, and the surprise with weird ass controllers I never knew was a thing. You’re a real entertainer bro, I may just get off my lazy ass and join your tournaments to get a chance to meet/battle with you. I have a nearly unbeatable SF4 blanka 😁

[@GuyrillaBraun]

DDR Dance Mat is the ultimat tech. You roll up to your match with that, you're opponent is already worried.

[@joshmau4472]

I can confirm and I have witnesses to this that I beat my friend at MvC2 on dreamcast with the fishing rod controller.

[@ninjuhdelic]

can we get a sequel with other control types? still waiting on the EEG Chip controller so the game just does what i think.

[@anon3631]

If we talk about ease of execution / availability, then the tier list looks like this (in my opinion): S+: Mechanical keyboard S: Keyboard A: Hitbox, Mixbox B(+?): Controller C+: Arcade Stick

[@Gilbot9000]

This is the *only* valid entry into the controller debate. Hell, this video *ends* that debate. Thank you jmcrofts for bringing peace to the FGC.

[@gosunoob1577]

This video had my sides hurting, worth the subscribe.Well played sir.

[@gochuckyourself1892]

I'm very curious about the Potemkin controller, not illegal as far as I can tell, but insanely optimized for one character. Very interesting

[@TheManWithNoHands]

Apparently it also has some uses for Goldlewis, as he can get easy 89632 Behemoth Typhoons. Love the idea behind this controller though.

[@SPZ-gv2on]

Me too honestly. The legality is starting to reach questionable but props to the guy for making an effective controller.

[@tikazombie37]

damn, forgot about taiko drums, the ultimate controller for combat not only you exercise your whole body, but you also put on a show for the audience

[@Violet-Excellence]

Love this video after all the ridiculous conversations we have been having over people's controller choice. I remember when I was on pad back when the sf4 resurgence of the fgc happened and I it was shameful to use. Stick is the only way! It has an advantage they said but apparently that was a good thing back then. I remember when Brian F showed off the pad could be abused by using dpad and analog. Now pad was OP and for cheaters and had the advantage. Hitbox is the new guy on the block getting it, even though it's a decade old now. Just recently getting discussed since it's becoming more popular. At the end of the day each controller has its own unique edge compared to another and it's mostly about muscle memory and personal preference. The new hot controller is NEVER going to suddenly make you a pro or way better then someone else without putting in the time and training to begin with. Which if someone has done that they are good for definitely more reasons then there preference controller.

[@SuperYetifan]

Coming from keyboard, to pad, to stick, now looking at hitbox. I was shocked the first time I saw someone think it was even odd, let alone cheating. It's just digital input, nearly identical to keyboard. It's just way more comfortable.

[@halo3boy1]

comfortable is subjective.

[@MaxClyde]

lmao i love it, especially the top-of-the-line rushdown enhancement

[@Viviantoga]

This list is sorely lacking in Truly Optimal Kickbox. EDIT: I almost forgot, the truly optimal way to play Smash Melee: upside-down controller.

[@MrCactuar13]

What a coincidence this comes out the same day Triple KO talks about controllers

[@Wafel_Caroline]

as a keyboard player. i am very much offended that u did not include the combination of ALL of these controllers tsk tsk,

[@Astigos]

I was not expecting that top tier pick!

[@TheTrueDude]

First video of his I’ve seen. Immediately subscribed when he brought out the legendary fighting game steering wheel

[@fuchila2point0]

This is by far your funniest vid bro. I'm rolling over here!

[@clockpin785]

Im 21 and I actually use a fightstick for my wrists. Ive had cysts in both wrists and my left one after 6 surgeries has not gone away. Great video regardless :)

[@DaPreach90]

Heihachi taught me that your fists are the most optimal answer to everything.

[@IAmHotSau5]

In B4 the NES power glove becomes the next big factor in Evo tournaments

[@jakeinator2005]

What's your stance on the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller? (My controller of choice, laugh all you want but I want to know if it still works)

[@AnayranPinheirodeAzevedo]

Dude, this would be one of the best April's fools video I ever see, hope to see an improved version of this on a near future!

[@MichaelMegaX]

Bro, I can't believe you forgot *the* fighting game peripheral. THE XBOX KINECT. You don't even need any kind of controller. Just show up to the tourney and beat the shit out of your opponent and say this is how you set up your inputs.

[@azechase6597]

Couldn't really tell this was a meme video until I saw the guitar

[@MajinMiku_FGC]

Kinda bummed you didn’t mention my modded V Smile controller.

[@Goose_BooseYT]

Playing against someone who uses a steering wheel as their controller is like playing against someone using Hakan. You laugh at first, thinking it's a joke, but then you slowly realize that you've never played someone like them before, so you don't know what kind of hidden tech and secrets they got up their sleeves cuz ya ain't got the experience, and before you know it, you lost the set, and you're that person's Jobber of the day.

[@sobriquet4596]

As a mega casual fgc player I couldn’t tell this was a joke until the steering wheel. Cause it is a joke… right?

[@2maka5u]

Wym? The gh controller is godlike

[@greatheightsu]

Potemkin stick IS actually optimal.

[@radicool993]

Honestly came here because I've been looking at getting into the fighting game scene. Didn't expect to see the guitar hero controller, now I know just how much more I have to learn!

[@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman]

I really liked the steering wheel, a lot of buttons to customize.

[@barbedwings]

This was an excellent tier list. Well done.

[@itloaf]

my mans out here spitting facts even if I don't agree with em frfr

[@harrylane4]

We need to bring back SF4 Volt iphone controls

[@l4ndst4nder]

I recently changed to voice recognition based control system where I dictate to my friends what they should be doing

[@nicholaslewis57]

Ngl, I’ve always wanted to make my own terrible custom fightstick with no buttons and no joystick and call it “the AFK”

[@kingokings7350]

Thank You! Lol The pad controller is like a mini hitbox I feel. I use every button on it in different ways.

[@char-rez83]

How did you keep a straight face, excellent video.

[@bryantnonya8704]

I swear the most antiquated thing about fightsticks is just the size of the levers and the buttons. You got to shrink that stuff down a little bit so things are just a bit closer together and you're opposing direction of movement can be reached because you don't have to cover so much ground...

[@mr.thammisses6119]

You don't tho just get better at using one. If my fight stick was shrink down id hate it. I can execute an electric everytime. They are the best once you get used to them.

[@bryantnonya8704]

@@mr.thammisses6119 why would I get better at using large antiquated clunky sticks? Why wouldn't you want to get better at using smaller micro switches that have a quicker response time?? I'd use smaller switches and have less travel in the stick, I would learn from speedrunners and get better at doing a more technically complex approach...

[@WawrzyniecTheIII]

I'm waiting on the guy that breaks out the DDR control deck from an arcade cabinet and dances all over the competition.

[@TyphloIsNear]

Razer Ultimate Gaming Pad Each directional pad is an individual button with an individual peg for each input. A gaming pad worth opening up to clean it (be prepared for the emotional damage from separating the grips) only the Ultimate, not the V2 or the tourney edition Good luck gamers

[@smoothsavage2870]

I like the V2 for the D-pad. It makes inputs much easier for me on games like KOFXV. But the Ultimate is just so much better in terms of mapping on the fly. So if you have to use a converter to play on PS, you wont need to worry about having the app. They dropped the ball on that in regards to the V2.

[@SlickRick4EVER]

Just when Triple K.O. was talking about controllers, you dropped this clip. LOL SO… we are having a controller conversation day, eh?

[@StevenSchlottman]

"You gotta use the left side if you're facing left, by the way." LOL

[@manu_elle_arg]

But what about banana controllers? Where you have bananas instead of buttons, that’s OP, I mean you have a bigger thing so you won’t miss the input and also you can get proteins mid match which helps your brain

[@donutwashington4783]

very funny video! I think with hitbox you cant SOCD left and right tho, Down and up will only give up i believe.

[@gamelord12]

This is standard, btw. Any Brook board will give you the same result. Left + right = nothing. Up + down = up.

[@galaxymaster]

The Donkey Kong bongos and Voice recognition are the true optimal ways to fight

[@austingonzales8808]

3:00 SOCD means that if you held left and tapped right then it would go from left to neutral not left to right. The inputs cancel out to neutral. So when you Korean Back Dash if you hold left and tap up then right you'll get 4, 7, 4 or b, ub, b. ~~~The more you know~~~

[@KaitouKaiju]

No, that is what SOCD cleaning means. SOCD is just the act of pressing both directions.

[@melshk]

This is the kind of content I subscribed for.

[@rexkarma4645]

this is hardly a tier list. my goodness. still like to hear this

[@UncleKalle]

Dude, are you serious? I've never seen a worse video, this is clickbait at its' best -.- I came here to see, which controller gets me to Evo and beyond and you're rating the Battlestation "top of the line". This has to be truly optimal. Shittalk outta the way, from second one I knew this was gonna be an ironic video and I think you pulled it off very well xD In the end, it comes to what fits best for one. I for example like playing on a Hitbox style controller atm because movement is more precise than I can get with Arcadestick (didn't grow up with it though). If I hadn't problems with my thumbs, I think I would stick (haha) to regular playstation controller.

[@MyNameJefff]

Always love seeing the wheel. Shoutout to Initial T, man.

[@numa2k147]

Errm JM... The Potemkin Battle Station is actually a Strawberry box 😂

[@vaughnsoso4849]

Just remember Sonicfox the man who has been top at many fighting games most recently MK11 and Skullgirls uses the PS4 controller.