Ranking EVERY SINGLE Destiny Raid Encounter from Worst to Best (Vanilla to Season of the Wish)

[@tMParagon]

i fixed the audio issues thanks for letting me know

[@gilligoat]

Bro never let this man cook EVER I’m in shambles going through this horrible list

[@tMParagon]

REAL

[@friendlyneighborhoodclown7754]

D2 Oryx still has one major problem in that ge doesn't really fight back. He is probably one the biggest threats in the lore but gamewise he just occasionally shoots a couple of lasers.

[@tMParagon]

True, he’s lethal because of his minions not because he sends bullshit your way, there is no real good way to make his ornithological weapon work in game imo, it’s done well enough to be top 10

[@Lopeez]

Calus dog encounter is criminal, one of the best raid encounter of all time

[@tMParagon]

i dont know how to tell you this but playing metal gear doesnt constitute a destiny encounter. especially considering it was mechanically flawed with the way detection works by the dogs

[@theventureguy2479]

@@tMParagonnah that encounter was 🔥 Imo the best encounters are ones that plays very differently and are unique, this is both

[@joaquincaceresguibovich3182]

dogs and gauntlet were my only reasons to play leviathan. I miss unique mechanics in encounters that make it feel even like a different game

[@war.d2]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@tMParagonI don’t know how to tell you this, but raid encounters don’t have a concrete formula. Literally anything could constitute a raid encounter. Hilarious that you preface your entire video with “these are opinions, let’s remain cordial and have a conversation” only to immediately say “you’re wrong, you’re playing the game wrong, and Bungie designed the encounter wrong”, what a joke.

[@tMParagon]

@@war.d2 I read this pretending you were chuck from better call Saul during the episode “Chicanery” Raid encounters are the ones that result in triumphs related to a full clear and give you loot in the process (you get loot from all raid encounters besides 2-3 exceptions) jumping puzzles/traversal sections are important and are “encountered” in the raid but they are not raid encounters. You feel me? I’m also not trying to offend anyone by saying I think they are wrong or doing something wrong in raid, you misunderstand my intentions

[@darkdestroyerza2381]

My problem with putting riven at number one is the fact that no one ever does it legit. The cheese is such a design flaw that I dont think it should go at number one despite how fun the legit mechanics admittedly are. Its such a piss take that they didnt fix it going when the red borders got released.

[@greenlukesky4615]

I’ve done legit and can confirm it’s amazing, but you’re right it’s hard to put it one bc let’s be honest who does it? So fun but not done enough

[@tMParagon]

Last wish feels like what should’ve been a culmination of a decade of raid designed for Bungie that they had knocked out of the part after only five years they’ve only taken steps backwards from it. I wish they fix the bug. Hey, you know this is just where we’re at right now.

[@tMParagon]

@@greenlukesky4615 it’s the most satisfying encounter to do legit. Most mechanically intense. Not the most “fun” I would say perfection phase 2 is my mode fun encounter

[@greenlukesky4615]

@@tMParagon I can get behind that. I like the pick, I just can see justifications for other encounters there due to how little it is run

[@wizard12345671]

People do cheese, sure, but the ones who dont will be rewarded with the most fun encounter in this game's history. I do it legit with my team every time, so I have no idea when was the last time we cheesed it. Its fair and it deserves first place

[@kasm7870]

I'm confused as to how Thrallway is an encounter, but Gorgon's maze isn't...

[@Kiwaaka]

Personally, Rhulk is my favorite encounter just due to the fact that it’s a lore heavy fight where the boss is very mobile, has pretty cool attacks and really feels like a true boss. The ambience of the fight is fantastic, the stage of the fight is fantastic, and Rhulks battle cry before running around and kicking guardians is just perfect. That being said, I have never done riven the correct way.

[@tMParagon]

Rhulk used to be my favorite after the day one but thinking critically for a while, its really REALLY good but not the best

[@Gojjoe]

Wrath of the Machine is probably my favourite ever, not too mechanically hard, not hard to learn mechanics, tone of enemies, cools bosses etc

[@catsgame9282]

Where would you put all of the salvation's edge 5 encounters

[@tMParagon]

@@catsgame9282 not to spoil anything but a new raking including salvations edge is coming out soon. Let’s just say that all but one of the encounters make top 30

[@catsgame9282]

@@tMParagon ok cause I love salvation's edge alot not only there's 5 encounters wich im happy about it and the 4th encounter is a challenging one I even think the most of the raid is challenging I really isn't any other raid encounter as challenging as salvation's edge

[@ermet3514]

Pools above Pleasure Gardens is a crime Edit: I couldn't watch anymore after you talked about Vault

[@jynxx_b]

Loved the list even though it hurt me being a garden of salvation enjoyer. I’d love to see a raid challenge tier list that would be awesome

[@xPXGx]

Anytime I take anyone through Last Wish for the first time, I make them do Riven as intended. No ifs ands or buts. Every Destiny player owes it to themselves to do Riven legitimately once or twice. Once to learn and then once more to teach someone else and pass the torch. It still annoys me that Bungie has not found any sort of way to fix the cheese. There are a number of ways they could fix it but they just choose not to. What a shame.

[@macho8240]

They can just drastically increase the health of Riven and have a huge damage boost to the fireteam if they make it to damage phase

[@JaigarSecond]

Riven normal really isn’t that hard or exciting tbh

[@HockeyFan102]

I miss the leviathan raid 😭😭😭😭😭😭 my favorite raid in destiny

[@tMParagon]

me too buddy me too

[@dukecovers1554]

Great video dude, im sure this took a lot of time to make. Now for my hot take: Atraks is a top 10 encounter because having two separate teams doing boss damage at separate times as well as using swords for boss damage is unique and fun, and the fact that you have to be sending the buffs back and forth between the upper and lower arenas was also a fun mechanic. I'll admit I have a bit of DSC bias since it was the last raid my original team ran together but that encounter is very enjoyable, and I don't mind the soul depositing out of the air locks

[@calumhogan4138]

This is definitely gonna blow up

[@tMParagon]

Share with someone you know and help it blow up! I appreciate the vote of confidence!

[@CreepoZ]

can you give us an estimate on where you'd put the Salvation's encounters in this list?

[@tMParagon]

I think it’s the best raid in history, on average. Ever encounter is good and worth replaying but Encounters 2 and 3 are snooze fests Because of the ping pong. Encounter 4 is better than vault from LW but I don’t know how I feel about the witness compared to the top 3

[@greenlukesky4615]

Watching through this I have minor disagreements with some of the list but overall is pretty good I’d say. Good work

[@kasm7870]

What do you mean "waste time" building the floor lol? Is it not encouraging other people to do something while the Motes team does their thing? It's a fun mechanic and it is optional, but makes it significantly easier if you do the build mechanic.

[@helleboreofficial4692]

I think my issue lies in that Last Wish is just so piss easy. Like, the fact we can damage Kalli or Riven via bypassing mechanics takes the possible joy out of what would probably be a mostly okay raid. If i could run Riven legit, i would. But until then, Last Wish is obessively over-rated, and VotD has the best enctounters out of any raid impo

[@tMParagon]

Now a days it’s easy but looked back and when its played at the correct power it’s a real challenge that requires everyone to be locked in. No slackers allows

[@rusht_8383]

You made such a fantastic list! I maybe would have switched an encounter here and there but overall you were pretty spot on and I know people are going to give you crap for Riven at number 1 but those people don't understand the difficulty of legit Riven. My favorite encounter ever is legit Riven

[@derplord3111]

How do you count the “thrallway” in Crota’s and encounter when there nothing but a bonus chest of u do it fast enough; and not Gorgons, while there’s also a secret chest, but there’s also a triumph attached to that area?

[@freesciencelessons5100]

i love riven, but you can't put it at number 1 and your footage be you cheesing it, it just can't be the best with this bug existing

[@tMParagon]

Wait until pantheon comes out young blood, for the purpose of making this video I did indeed use cheese footage, was much faster

[@apolluxs]

He didn’t rank garden because everyone knows that every encounter in gos is simply better than whatever #1 was

[@ferowaw]

Based as fuck

[@mcnoodle8415]

Bro I clicked on this, watched it, saw it was amazing, went to subscribe, and saw you only have ~3k. This video is absolutely incredible, I wouldn’t be surprised if you blew up soon🙏

[@tMParagon]

I appreciate the kind words I’ve been trying to make my content as best as I can!

[@anoemuser310]

@@tMParagon came for the presidential ai vids, stayed for the commentary

[@xosui5673]

When I did Kali the for time not a single person in my fire team knew how it worked. So we waited for kali to start wipe and we just DPS her to death without touching mechanics at all. 3 celestials, 3 izanagis and a tractor and div for weak point. Then you have well and whatever else anyone was running

[@SlongestKongest]

Div hurts dmg in that encounter Also that's power creep for you

[@joaquincaceresguibovich3182]

i fucking love riven, but people get mad fast whenever you say to do it without cheese. But I say, beating this boss legit after many failed attempts is one of the best feelings ever

[@tMParagon]

pantheon coming out made me love the riven fight even more, you had to do it the right way for once

[@Ali-tm1kr]

Great work

[@FoxTrottts]

I wouldn't even count Crota's thrallway as an encounter. No actual loot drop and even in D2 there's no rally flag, something emblematic of every proper raid encounter in D2 since Forsaken launch

[@tMParagon]

i get the logic, but unfortunately because crotas end is so short bungie calls it an encounter

[@badbadfull]

Had to fast forward

[@rey2352]

Already left a sarcastic comment but for real man, I 1000% agree on doing 2 tethers on Sanctified Mind. GoS is one of my favorites. I've played it a ton and can confirm that 2 tethers is ALWAYS the better strat unless you have a top tier team and the whole team is running full GoS armor sets. But unless they're a speedrunner, nobody even has full GoS sets in their vault anymore

[@sice2578]

I want WOTM back 😢

[@tMParagon]

me too buddy me too

[@azelf4835]

I might not agree sith everything on the list but I have to admit this is a damm good video

[@tMParagon]

Thanks man I was afraid it was going to get buried considering I had to reuploaded it but hey at least some people are getting something out of this

[@blseodm]

"There's a reason only two teams made it past day 1." Yeah. Actually two. A. Massive power deltas between the raiders and the encounters. B. Two whole minutes.

[@michaelbell5]

I guess I'm weird because when it comes to raids, I love the shooting enemies 10 times more than ANY mechanics in raids. It's probably why I don't raid much. Any raid with heavy mechanics annoys me.

[@tMParagon]

@@michaelbell5 lfg im ad clear

[@Shadow_of_Echos]

I keep thinking I’m listening to MrFruit, you sound just like him every now and then.

[@tMParagon]

Mr fruit used to be my jam back in the day I actually sampled some of his footage for this video!

[@weeaboojones7713]

Val calour is a top 3 raid encounter

[@tMParagon]

you are the first person i ever seen who think Val calour is anything other than miserable

[@weeaboojones7713]

@@tMParagon the mechanics are fun and it’s still to this day the only boss that stayed relatively challenging throughout its life time

[@dracherongames9528]

@@tMParagon I actually found Val Cauor well made as well, so long as it didn't bug (this one actually if it didn't bug out a ton would probably have been beloved)

[@gilligoat]

Peak notices peak

[@tuck3771]

Val Ca’uor goes hard

[@abserd01]

1:10 damn, no deep stone jump puzzle 😞

[@casualsatanist5808]

3 man WotM was my most fun gaming experience ever. Me and 2 of my best buds would run all the raids, tho 4 man for KF, every week for a long while. We made all the strategy ourselves, and god damn. WotM is my favourite piece of gaming content ever. You did forget the scariest boss in all of Destiny... Rahndel, The Perfected He fucking solos every raid boss at once

[@tMParagon]

WotM in my mind is the best all around raid. nothing else comes close. WotM is perfect

[@catsgame9282]

Wrath of the machine is actually soloable

[@casualsatanist5808]

@@catsgame9282 yeah I know Only 3 or 4 people have done it tho

[@catsgame9282]

@@casualsatanist5808 I'm sure more will especially if wrath comes back

[@e_bomb3338]

sanctified mind is fine and actually a solid final boss. its on the players that it doesnt go well

[@tMParagon]

the tether mechanic is too poor for me to rank it higher

[@alexanderhbre2728]

The quality on this video is really top tier, i didn’t realise it deserves more views! Great rankings, except for the priest 2, the challenge is shit and the fact that he strafes like hunters in pvp makes him really less enjoyable

[@tMParagon]

bad challenge yes but i really wasn't taking those into account

[@3ChZer0]

*The Witness has entered the Chat*

[@rainbowstay]

I experience legit riven last night in pantheon. My teammates managed the eyes but goodness with the -20 and the ad insanity it was fun

[@tMParagon]

its a shame that pantheon is gone, playing riven the right way is amazing

[@machine9736]

Riven legit is so boring its the same room 3 times and the symbol locations are planned poorly on Bungie's part

[@tMParagon]

it has all the right challenge to make it great imo, the repetition is an endurance test

[@machine9736]

@@tMParagon Aye if you like it more power to you, I just dislike repitition in the map design, which is one reason why I think Rhulk is the best encounter in the game

[@rohanmathew1546]

Idc what anyone says , d2 Croats abyss is the worst, especially challenge

[@tMParagon]

Removing the skip 100% makes it harder but harder doesn’t make it good

[@asleep5422]

If Pantheon could be factored in here, i think -20 Nezarec is the best designed encounter Bungie made. 0 downtime, all gas no brakes. Most of the Pantheon encounters were fantastic, with only Oryx and Atraks not evolving with any massive changes. The Witness is also a banger of a fight in Salvation's Edge. I find the relics encounter in Vow to be the best encounter without a boss in the game. Super fast, incredibly engaging, requires good coms and coordination.

[@lmlagg]

My problem with Nezarac’s fight is how they don't really communicate the concept of the havens. Like I'm not sure how most teams figured it out, but my team had no idea how it worked. We just pushed through the 2-3 transition and for Nezzy himself we had two runners on each side getting the mechanic done before the wipe… it was stressful… Maybe my team was just dumb on the day one but we genuinely had no idea

[@tMParagon]

The boss does a pulse of light either light or dark after someone on the team shoots his chest while he is doing the "Nezerac vengence attack" you can look at the first color that flashes and then play accordingly

[@lmlagg]

@@tMParagon you didn't read what i said? My team was easily able to just steamroll past the 2nd-3rd encounter transition without figuring out there was a heaven mechanic. The boss fight doesn't do anything to combat this by telling you later down the line. Anyone can see the pulse. Not everyone will just know “oh Yeah empower the wrong plate”

[@tMParagon]

@@lmlagg it doesn’t spell it out to you, it’s one of those trial and error mechanics like vault encounter in last wish. Really it’s just takes someone to notice something and try something random. I think it’s the essence of raiding. My team had a similar experience doing Vow day one on the first encounter. It just didn’t work so we brute forced it until we got it.

[@tuck3771]

I think you’re giving Riven a little too much credit. It’s not that hard at all you just need to communicate with your other team. Me and my fireteam found one map of the potential symbol spawns and we crushed it in 30 minutes.

[@Tw33zD]

Bring back aksis for revamped outbreak exotic mission

[@tMParagon]

FACTS

[@TCS_slaps]

Why does he intermittently do his Joe Swanson impression

[@tMParagon]

ive been called alot of things but not joe swanson

[@scarletsun04]

only stark disagreement from me is the fact DSC descent isnt in bad encounters. Descent gives u barely any agency on how long it takes(do u want it to take a lot of time or even more time). It takes so long i actually believe its the worst encounter available in the game today(except for vog entrance but u didnt include entrances).

[@tMParagon]

i wouldnt say its bad its just middle of the pack

[@scarletsun04]

​@@tMParagon i mean, depends on what you are looking for tbh. Cuz for example ron 1 and 2, solid contenders for last place, can be run with more than just 1 person and while it's not very usable in lfg, if u have a coordinated team it can not only go quite fast, it can also be very fun. (scission is still shit tho, those launchers dont work 90% of the time and mechanics not being consistent is my pet peeve). Come to think of it... confluxes are worse than descent but they have a soft spot in my heart cuz vog was my first lowman, so please excuse my bias

[@curiousseagull]

Y did u sound like perfect cell 0:09

[@kingkadster2426]

Never seen such a based list, I had near to no disagreements. Great vid

[@tMParagon]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@mrfroggyleggs257]

I disagree with almost everything one this list especially atheon. I feel the only reason atheon gets so high is because of nostalgia. The boss doesn't feel that interesting at all to me. Like get teleported shoot square in certain order dps feels incredibly boring. Also smaller nit-pick but the boss has barely has music I know it plays some during dps and when he gets killed but most of the encounter is just silent. I get that vog was the first raid but it just feels so boring to me and I think its the worst one in the game.

[@tMParagon]

simple mechanics, simple boss

[@rey2352]

I'm outraged that you ranked Thrallway 2 above Thrallway 1

[@tMParagon]

ikr????

[@AuralVirus]

It's driven me crazy (1 way of saying pissed me off immensely) having paid for content and not being able to play it - so I've joined a new clan (as the last was.... yeah, you know,, it had its core raid group and the rest of us were just numbers)_ so going to be asking profusely/politely to get in on raids cos it's looks kind of enjoyable :)

[@tMParagon]

have you tried D2 LFG? its my favorite place to find raid groups outside of my clan

[@AuralVirus]

@@tMParagon things have picked up since my comment - still no dedicated raid team but have done most raids a number of times, enough to craft desired weapons, get wanted rolls & 2 oversouls away from necrochasim.

[@realspartan5206]

Respectfully, I disagree wholeheartedly with most of this list, especially riven being even above average at all

[@SlongestKongest]

Bro doesn't know about riven legit lmao

[@jt2aw15]

cataclysm and scission are not bad encounters, you're just playing them in the most boring way possible. have 6 runners for each, not 1 or 2, and they turn into something very coordinated and dynamic, like a baby exhibition (imo best non-boss encounter, if not best encounter overall). you mention this possibility and why it's good while you talked about nez. but you shit on these encounters despite the mechanic being the same as the nodes at nez, complaining that most of the team just adclears. kalli, shuro, and morgeth get run over as long as half the team has the slightest inkling of how the mechanics work. they are fun, but not at all challenging in terms of mechanics or damage. having all three of those a tier above vault and planets is laughable. but you also basically have them above every vow encounter except rhulk which is insane cope. and then having d1 golgy above that is just wtf

[@bradmorgan252]

The first raid in destiny 2 really turned me off of raids. That 3 rd encounter was just not fun at all

[@tMParagon]

Wasn’t a strong start

[@StatsReset]

Caretaker #1

[@d.c_8302]

ain’t no way cos 1st wasn’t woat that shit is actually horrible

[@tMParagon]

Experience the real riven boss fight. It’s the most mechanically complex and rewarding in the game

[@jakeedwards3004]

lol boasts about doing riven legit and has footage of his team cheesing

[@tMParagon]

I was hoping someone would notice this. It not my footage of riven. I could have pulled footage of a legit riven run but I chose not to just to see if anyone noticed. I still stand by what I say, the point I was making is that it’s the best designed encounter in all of destiny. But nobody does it legit

[@bakasooka8074]

Based list. Legit riven best ever