The Destiny Raid and Dungeon Boss Tier List

[@DattoDoesDestiny]

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[@SirCamWA]

S tier ad read, as always -keep it up and keep getting that sweet monay!

[@ShadowNemesis575]

We love Datto ad reads also the Datto hair is pretty iconic

[@N00BleSouP24]

A well-haired dude selling shaving products makes me stay away from that brand lmao

[@gascan7333]

Nice touch adding the music from each raid/dungeon as you talk about it.

[@FrostReach66]

The hardest part of shattered throne is no rally flags

[@Collin_J]

If we couldn't farm ammo from thralls it was be infuriating.

[@zwillad7635]

It’s easy enough that I was able to solo flawless it first try (after watching a couple guides)

[@gascan7333]

I know you see this content as degenerate, but it's honestly a pretty comfy vibe to me. It's not prestige content or anything, but sitting around for a while chatting about this game we love in retrospect can be fun, plus it's perfect content to have on in the background.

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

“Comfy”

[@denny8422]

yeah frankly I just like hearing people discuss the game. for me personally it's fascinating hearing about the older raids because I never got to play them

[@greenlukesky4615]

@@denny8422good way to put it! I just like seeing how other people feel about the raids because I want to see how my opinion differs with others. Just because I think verity is easy S doesn’t mean anyone else does. Stuff like that also helps me think in a different way about encounters

[@VD1461]

agreed I like just hearing datto talk about stuff yknow

[@niyo919]

It may be lower effort, but it's leagues above the dumpster trash that is react content.

[@thewizardwallace]

Datto forgot the true final boss, Pete Parsons

[@lucienmoolman8017]

Busy farming Pete rn, can't wait for him finally drop his exotic cars

[@Giga-Toad]

@@lucienmoolman8017new exotic ship or sparrow

[@cee_ves]

the winnower is actually pete parsons. his final shape is the final employee remaining at bungie after the layoffs.

[@WHlSKYtx]

Har har har

[@dylangross3702]

D Tier

[@Lockerus]

"I don't want to run Leviathan anymore" Boy do I have some good news for you.

[@beny00777]

?

[@pooddly9637]

I love spreading misinformation online

[@blender11th]

finally, my opinion on raid bosses

[@dylanto472]

rt

[@africanpenguin3104]

Original

[@84m30]

Reminder that Math Class was the first team to actually understand Vault in LW. The first 2 teams blind lucked/brute forced it without understanding how it actually worked

[@truetex8398]

Yeah but unfortunately it took long enough that others were able to brute force it and be faster :(

[@HawkmoonaMatata]

I appreciate you adding the boss themes to each raid as you progress through the tier list

[@JKneisley]

Take a shot every time Datto says "novelty."

[@stag2177]

or "cringe"

[@Spitfyre1011]

"It doesn't really do a whole lot for me"

[@doc-t-8648]

I am in the hospital now what

[@sen314bot]

Vault of Glass - 0:31 Crota's End (D1) - 3:29 King's Fall - 4:56 Wrath of the Machine - 7:41 Leviathan - 9:32 Eater of Worlds - 11:18 Spire of Stars - 12:24 Last Wish - 13:16 Shattered Throne - 15:56 Scourge of the Past - 17:34 Crown of Sorrow - 19:09 Garden of Salvation - 21:32 Pit of Heresy - 24:05 Prophecy - 26:48 Deep Stone Crypt- 28:49 Grasp of Avarice - 32:26 Vow of the Disciple - 35:08 Duality - 38:53 Spire of the Watcher - 40:05 Root of Nightmares - 42:20 PLACEMENT ADJUSTMENTS - 44:21 CONTINUATION WITH NEW CONTENT - 47:40 Ghost of the Deep - 49:11 Crota's End (D2) - 51:58 Warlord's Ruin - 55:41 Salvation's Edge - 58:14 FINAL RECAP - 1:06:57

[@aeloswindrunner]

Nezarec is weak from gameplay, but top tier for music. Oneirophobia absolutely slaps

[@SentientMattress531]

NYAAAAA na NAAAAAA naaa naaaaaaaaaaa

[@ajbolt7]

Top tier for music isn’t particularly notable among Destiny raid encounters lmao. Music pretty much always slaps. Oneirophobia goes hard but among final boss themes it’s honestly not that great IMO. Doesn’t hold a candle to Riven or Rhulk, I’d put Taniks over it as well because of how hard phase 2 goes. Personally I take Nez theme over Sanctified Mind but Sanctified Mind theme just isn’t my taste in the first place. Val Cau’or I’d put on par with Oneirophobia. Bear in mind every one of these tracks goes hard but as a raid final boss theme Nez was comparatively disappointing.

[@babytricep437]

@@ajbolt7rhulk easily has the best theme. I don’t get the love for oneirophobia it’s generic

[@ajbolt7]

@@babytricep437 yeah Oneirophobia feels like a disappointment to me as far as final boss soundtracks go. For me it’s Riven over all others when it comes to OST. That said I’m also including phase 2 of Keep of Voices in my vote here, which doesn’t actually play in Riven itself.

[@DemonCipher13]

Ah ahh ahh ah ah ahhhhhhh...

[@lucienmoolman8017]

Datto placing Riven in his top 4 despite his tragic history with the Last Wish is the type of chill and humble some people only can dream of achieving

[@LimpurtFan6969]

glazer spotted

[@Bullzi009]

Chronically online 😢

[@ExtraordinaryFate]

I'm a Datto fan

[@hi-iq7zdd]

holy heck he is so heckin humble for not having the emotional maturity of a 5 year old

[@MiddleAgedPlumber]

What. Are you 12

[@Issac1222productions]

I appreciate the raid soundtracks in the background when their encounters came up, love the OST of the raids

[@khaos02delta]

Pantheon really made me like some of these encounters more than their base forms

[@Crusader-mn5ji]

Love these videos. Largely because it is just fun discussions about the game. What works what doesn't. It is just fun conversations.

[@GeremyG]

Where does Parsons, Consumer of Cars rank on the list? I couldn’t finish the encounter because of the damn layoff mechanic.

[@Kdjrodjr9]

His fuck-up mechanic got me, who thought a boss that could kick fireteam members and "accidentally" ban them with self-healing would be balanced

[@ItsGBZ]

God your originality is beaming

[@BahamutBreaker]

@@GeremyG Also, where does GeremyG, Crapper of Pants rank? His poor cat is freaking out because those pants are “rank”.

[@BahamutBreaker]

@@ItsGBZ Your pants are stinking.

[@pooddly9637]

@@BahamutBreaker learn english

[@Paladin314]

Prophecy holds up because of psions duplicating ridiculously out of control and how aggressive the knights are

[@flaemflyer]

Datto you forgot to update the description with the manacaped stuff just letting you know my boy

[@NathanBMedia]

At 22:30 I realized they were playing music from each raid/dungeon, and GoS music by far is one of the most memorable as well as one of my favorites to listen to 🔥🔥

[@michu020398]

Platforming in Shattered throne is one of the coolest feeling places in the entire game

[@ultimate3885]

I like the matching of the background music to whatever activity you were talking about

[@Blackout-ff6ck]

37:00 the best way to make the first part of rhulk fun is chaos method. It's fun watching the split go up and the whole team shoots to try and get the buff

[@CGR1410]

This is honestly my favorite typa content when it comes to games. It’s a go-to. consistent , info feeding but also boring enough u can sleep to. It’s perfect.

[@Zircuit]

People going nuts on Rhulk not being rated high when the first half of the encounter is probably the weakest part of Vow never gets old

[@ajbolt7]

As he says, depends how you grade it. If you go by straight up how much time in the fight is dull then it’s closer to C tier. If the height of the experience is what counts then easy A tier. The experience of actually fighting Rhulk, especially on day 1, is so damn impactful that it overshadows the rest of the encounter to me. (Plus the DPS music goes so hard but we’re not counting music)

[@babytricep437]

First part of vow SUCKS

[@hansmatheson5976]

Weaker than the World’s longest and least interesting hay ride?

[@flamevenomftw4035]

This is perfect content to listen in the background whilst farming the Legend title!

[@Guile_The_Exile]

I can't wait to see Brim's tier list of fav Datto moments.

[@GrandmaDestiny]

At end? Golgoroth I agree! So very fun.

[@joshjohnson1974]

gahlran is S. honestly most fun encounter in my mind. getting a full team together who knew what to do was so satisfying

[@chi_pa_pa]

I LOVE TIER LIST SLOP

[@Wolf-xw2lq]

Damn wtf am I the only one who really enjoys Duality? Best dungeon in the game IMO

[@Windy_97]

take a shot everytime he says "this doesn't do a whole lot for me"

[@a1v3n_08]

Reactor room will forever be etched in my brain because of the noises the platforms make. It’s been years since I’ve played/watched anything about that raid, but those platform noises are still stuck In my mind.

[@ickybobclay26]

I know this is more a ranking of gameplay but some of the sections of deep stone are so cool just to see the transition to space and back to the planet

[@tompramanaaccount8892]

23:50 I remember teaching 3 people while doing divinity run, it was late night because you know my team is a banana, we stuck like 8 hours in the raid. Then we get through to the third phase on the boss because again, everyone's damage is banana, then the tether literally stuck open and we cannot close it, and the only thing we can close it is to shoot Chaos Reach with it and it cause us to wipe, It is still will be my most forever hated raid of all time.

[@claytonmitchell5685]

Have a good Destiny break Datto!

[@koriusX]

23:00 tether mechanic might "make sense" once you understand it and the length of the beam, but is it a FUN mechanic? methinks not. if you could SHOOT the ally you wanted to link to, it would be a lot more intuitive and fun.

[@thrilla72]

18:55 Just realised that the CAP we had in Scourge is basically the Salvation's Edge mechanic's older brother

[@ethanrosenberg6570]

a very important part of enjoying a raid boss for me (especially final bosses) is sense of scale; fighting a kaiju sized boss just hits different, why i love oryx, sanctified mind, riven and now witness; atheon, aksis and crota are up there as well but just not quite kaiju scale imo

[@Schalaster]

How do you feel about Argos?

[@ethanrosenberg6570]

@@Schalaster that was a great one too

[@faroffshores2216]

Considering the unknown, turbulent future of Destiny, sometimes it's nice to just take a second and chat about the game. No meta discussions, no controversies. Just a nice talk about the stuff we liked over the past years.

[@nyxmoon23]

Watching this video is so bittersweet because the only early D2 raid I ran was Leviathan and Last Wish. Never experienced any of the vaulted raids, and likely never will

[@Ryna113]

I mean there were Scourge mentions in the API recently, so its possible we might see them return as reprised raids if they still plan on doing those.

[@rowplatts]

​@@Ryna113Iirc Scourge never left the API fully even after it was vaulted? May be mistaken on that but I thought I read something along those lines

[@doc-t-8648]

Golgoroth is the best encounter in the history of Destiny closely followed by Axis. Mechanics and movement and call outs were incredible. So satisfying. I remember when Kings fall first dropped and people did the calc for how much health Golgoroth had and everyone was like uhhhhh what?

[@whoevenami3329]

Im ngl I loved the ads that datto and jez do😂

[@elcannon9404]

Always miss the Prison of Elders. Classed as a flawless raid if done without dying and level 35 is still one of if not the hardest activities in D1 or D2

[@tedasaurusrex4402]

I agree with datto, every time I thought of a specific encounter in leviathan my immediate reaction was "trash" but I thought about it more and realized I loved most of these encounters. I just played it so often lmao

[@jacobkern2060]

23:54 The biggest thing that I disliked about Sanctified Mind was when we'd get unlucky with Gambit teams and get the 15-mote enemy spawns twice and have motes clip through the floor, which made us have to send them through a third time The dark box on Sancti sometimes having the wrong color is also annoying as hell

[@leonluong1384]

I hard disagree on the Witness fight. It’s S tier for me. You mentioned that you put it lower because you can have dedicated ad clear roles but that’s the same for golgoroth.

[@MattTheHuman9]

I feel like an easy way to make Witness more involved would be to make it so people who've broken arms can't shoot the splinters for the test.

[@WHlSKYtx]

I love Dattos perspective of running pve stacked 90% of the time

[@slime_ism]

Should he rate everything based on having a shit team instead? 😂

[@WHlSKYtx]

@@slime_ism I didn’t say it was wrong

[@mcjester1523]

been waiting for this

[@deadlysin1174]

Really love these videos Datto!

[@ooperblownup]

Hour long tier list content from Datto? Oh Im about to rewatch this to hell and back while I cook and do chores

[@Blackout-ff6ck]

7:30 I truly think pantheon oryx is an s tier encounter. I feel like every change added to the encounter

[@GrandmaDestiny]

Though I love your Math Class POV, mine is more practical as I teach noobs now. Agree that when I'm running with my buds and gals who've done multiple times a raid, your viewpoint is spot on. Prestige Levi was very tough! So fun when being helper bot is Lanterns, A+, WarPriest, S, cuz many do not have great weps, Shiro, A, cuz of Mechs and noobs reading wall, and Heartrun at A, or as I call it, turn up your brightness! Do to my cholesterol med crap, not finished SE. Hope to b4 SEM school. Glad to see Datto doing Destiny!

[@never3nder]

Would have loved two lists; a first time through list (Zamboni - A/S, Val Ca'or - B) as well as a desire to run right now list (Zamboni - D, Val Ca'or - S) etc etc

[@betmynamespookedyou4665]

I will be listening to this later on my overnight shift. Thank you Datto.

[@tdnleader3563]

You should 100000% to a tier list based on music. Like heralds theme goes so hard

[@yok3rsp8]

Is that ODDWINS TRACK IN THE AD BACKGROUND? Datto playing Thugger Kong racing...never thought I'd see it.

[@Asburyz]

Val Ca'Uor was a fun encounter....when it worked. I actively stayed away from repeated runs of this raid because it always seemed to glitch in one way or another.

[@eranronen573]

Datto's Tier list arc has begun

[@Hawkeye201100]

Just from an enemy design standpoint,rhulk has to be one of my faveorite the way he moves around the map and sashes twoards you feels like a dark souls boss

[@dankerbell]

finally the degenerate content we all needed

[@ryanschuster5621]

Take a shot every time Datto says “novelty” challenge: impossible. Great vid tho❤️

[@PlatinumAssassin]

Im here for the degen content. Lets go.

[@Jack-gh9xb]

So sad scourge got sunset before I started raiding, the overall ambiance and aesthetic of the raid are so cool to me

[@BrickHomieQuan]

Now this is content

[@JayW0lfe]

"It's not doing a whole lot for me."

[@ellijahbelcher8965]

Ngl Datto I think warlords is my favorite all around dungeon. Ghosts of the deep has great mechanics and atmosphere and u have to really focus up a lot which is great, it’s only problem is how long it can feel. Spire it mostly disliked for its lack of mechanics, but it’s still pretty quick start to finish and isn’t a slog. Warlords has a balance of both

[@effect0031]

I think Gahlran is underrated mostly because of the first two "encounter". When we got to the last two encounters, I was enjoying COS.

[@BrozvilleRealm]

its interesting to see how different my opinions are from Datto here, Golgorath is literally my most hated encounter (even in pantheon) and Kings Fall as a whole is my least favorite raid

[@Mystic444x]

chat on screen is great beacuse you get to see the same people not having an opinion until datto speaks and they always agree with him lmao

[@SirShadeyy]

Long have I waited

[@johnjones5220]

Verity S tier datto!!! fight me!!!

[@xdreg]

I know for a fact that my opinion is not as important as our goat Datto's but Vault is a guaranteed A encounter. It actually takes some level of complex thinking and was gerally one of the first PUZZLE-ish encounters to grace the Destiny game. Idk, i just really like vault and felt like i had to share. Anyway, have a good one all.

[@greenlukesky4615]

Just did this with my friends the other day can’t wait to see the difference between our lists. Edit: wow do we have some different opinions. We tried to keep A and S tier very elite so there’s only 10-12 encounters in those tiers

[@maishufoxx]

it's cool that bungie did actually fix riven, i do like doing the encounter

[@alexandersavage305]

As someone who hasn’t had the chance to do SE, but watched the Day One race, I’m shocked The Witness doesn’t at clear A-tier based on scale alone. The ONLY encounters currently in the game that have that sense of scale are Riven, The Witness, and maybe Oryx.

[@ziggyzaug]

Oh yeah what I needed

[@destructionbuildskharacter4943]

prophecy enemies do not miss and are oddly aggressive

[@-Xeno-]

I think doing certain raid encounters with fewer people gives you a whole different perspective on them

[@Mr_Legit1303]

I think ecthar was sort of the new chamber of suffering for solo. It was so satisfying to get that clear, simumah is just long solo, I like the encounter it’s just a bit of a slog. I’ve never cared enough about duality to attempt a solo and haven’t gotten around to warlords yet 😆😝

[@C00l_Whip]

Hefend not being an ahamkara skeleton piloted by the servitor will forever be a slight on warlords ruin

[@Jayraj073]

Im glad that you put the witness at B level. Honestly, as great as final shape was, i found the witness to be incredibly lackluster. The mechanics in the fight are lame and there was no interesting final stand. I thought for final stand we would somehow commune with the traveler and have another small encounter like queenswalk. By far last wish stands above everything else ever created in this game.

[@CANAS1AN]

yo that hoodie is sick. is that Datto merch?

[@RoyaltonDrummer922]

I see you sir

[@Ya_Boy_Huck]

Prophecy is still one of the best dungeons.

[@bjcooper4365]

The tether is not the buggy part of GoS. It is the motes. If a mote falls thru the floor (which is not uncommon) or falls off the map with goblins, you better hope your other team got Harpies. On Consecrated, that’s a whole extra Minotaur at least that you have to kill. You can run over motes and because of how they had to code them (so multiple people don’t pick up the same mote), sometimes they just won’t pick up because of the delay. It is why I also do not enjoy prophecy or Gambit. Motes as a mechanic are terrible. Instant F tier.

[@StolenInsanity]

From D1, the death Zamboni is the best encounter we’ve ever had

[@tallhooman8050]

My 1 stop shop for my opinions on d2 encounters has just hit the 2nd inbox

[@billygoods22]

Datto takes revenge on the vault lol

[@DxpressionYT]

Warlord’ Ruin final encounter is an easy S tier. It’s literally the dungeon adaptation of the Riven boss-fight, which is also in S tier

[@KamikazePhil]

Persys over verity is actually insane

[@KingfishWatch]

Its funny to see how Verity is the main reasons people fell off Salvation Edge like HARD in a long run

[@trustee8503]

W Argos placement

[@nordfald3740]

Phalanx Echo goes in the cringe tier for the sole reason, that it 100% relies on booping you to kill you. Knockback mechanics are uninspired and more annoying than hard. The encounter also has about the easiest 1-phase in the game, which in my opinion, makes it even more cringe.

[@edgarramirez2532]

Can you do a tier list on Pete Parsons’s vintage cars?

[@noelletv3313]

Naughty guardians get banished to The Cube™

[@boss123ah]

I miss wrath of the machine And the old raids

[@thealldayspecial]

I think Golg is better spectacle and mechanics for confines of what D1 had, in the now and more recent times, ehhhh it's not bad but as some sort of best of best, nah. A- tops

[@xxthee_trollerxx]

Brother, some of us old. Occupy the blank screen on the right side. Enlarge that fuckin website. 😂😂