Ranking Isaac's Transformations from Worst to Best

[@BrimBlam]

Straight up, Guppy has saved more runs than Spun has. Thats why I dont agree.

[@PentaHybrid]

Brimblam I'm the opposite. Especially considering the additional difficulty of getting Guppy since Afterbirth.

[@PentaHybrid]

Brimblam I'm the opposite. Especially considering the additional difficulty of getting Guppy since Afterbirth.

[@Greetanate]

since when do comments repeat?

[@Greetanate]

since when do comments repeat?

[@loopyzach7537]

since forever

[@johnhawkins5314]

I'd argue flight is severely underrated here. Flight on it's own is astonishingly good. You get through rooms faster since you avoid floor hazards and cross pits. You take less damage since​ you can hide behind rocks and needn't worry about floor hazards. You can get many consumables (and occasionally even items) for free, which in turn gives you more health, and more tools to get more items. That's why I'd put Spun at 5th, yes it's fantastic, but flight is better. Plus the points you make in favour of Spun, apply even more to Leviathan. Guppy > Leviathan > Beelzebub > Seraphim > Spun least that's how I see it

[@stefansolciansky7302]

Leviathan is almost the same as Seraphin. I would switch Leviathan and beelzebub.

[@the_cursed_7775]

Nano Tenko flight is extremely good for me,due To the fact i love azazel,i can fly,making monstro and monstro II Look LIKE idiots and here is why:i can fly Over rocks(if there are)and i bait him NexT To the rocks and he is stuck while i am firing My Tiny brimstone,it’s really Funny To do this

[@handlesR4losers]

100% agree

[@imbob99999]

@@stefansolciansky7302 Hello my dads account which i used to use for youtube, nice to meet you.

[@WrecklessEating]

I'd vote for Guppy for sure.

[@PentaHybrid]

WrecklessEating It's a good vote, Guppy is great.

[@justcallmelab8400]

Better than spun

[@OzoneGrif]

Guppy can fly, not Spun. And Guppy has a stronger damage boost thanks to its flies. I don't understand why Spun is #1 here.

[@Makaveli_93]

@@OzoneGrif Basically a case of trying to make his opinion not obvious/mainstream or some shit. Guppy is miles better, no one can argue a fact.

[@greatdepression5819]

Guppy is way better than spun

[@dillonbundy3143]

I would say I agree for the most part by why isn't fun guy #1??? A whole heart container plus a great colours boost to Isaac and he's got a sick ass mushroom top!

[@PentaHybrid]

Mushroom hat was too OP.

[@ceej5690]

It had to be majorly nerfed. That is why it is 13

[@lukegames0004]

yeah i miss the old fun guy

[@eznone4806]

Dillon Bundy lol

[@eduarduliczai7105]

geez bruh you forgot the stat up you get from transformations. like bob it gives +40.00 ATTACK.

[@gracecollins6891]

>no bad syringe items >in the same game as experimental treatment nice meme

[@patrickfraszewski9120]

you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round right round

[@patrickfraszewski9120]

0_o

[@davidarruda8400]

In my expeirence I am really lucky with experimental treatment.

[@Slasher9485]

Uh Hello? Virus would like to have a word.

[@ariamae-922]

speed ball is mediocre at best

[@allmight801]

+ 2 damage is great but guppy's flies deal duble of isaac damage and i think guppy is easier to get you can get spun just by luck but you can get guppy in the curse room random chest and deals with the devil and everybody is going for guppy more then for spun i think guppy is better

[@PentaHybrid]

Syringe items can be gotten from bosses and demon beggars. I'd say that's about as easy to access as devil rooms and curse rooms. Also, Guppy has a very low percentage chance of being in a red chest on opening it. And for devil deals, that's very much up to rng as the devil pool is massive now.

[@allmight801]

in nearly every run i find 1 or 2 guppy parts in the devil room and if you beat super pride you can get dead cat

[@jaimenietogomez5270]

Rade Despotovic well boss pull is way more massive than demons, and devil beggars are not so common so i think he doesnt have any point there

[@ThomasPEggle]

If You Beat Lust You Get The Virus. And Also Most Guppy Items Alone Are Bad. AND YOU PAY RED HP FOR GUPPY. There Are 8 Syringes, Only 6 Gupp Items. Also There Are Many Boss Items You Want To Reroll, Possibly Making A Syringe. Most Devil Rooms Are Good, Not Wanting A Reroll. Devil Rooms Can Be Outshined By Angel Rooms If Going For Ultra Satan. And The Syringes Can Be Found In The Treasure Room.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

NoDisBiz Switzerland ok, stop typing the first letter of every word in caps. I refuse to read a long message that has the first letter of every word as a capital letter.

[@snakeeyes9506]

great stat boosts from experimental treatment -1 hp +0.15 speed -3.24 damage -3 shot speed #Drugsaretheanswertoallmyproblems

[@PentaHybrid]

Roll of the dice. Can't argue with RNJesus

[@PentaHybrid]

Seek help, friend. It's an item in a video game.

[@dahdumbguy]

aT LeAst YoU gOt ThE SpEEd

[@molinj.710]

Dahdumbguy iTz sOMtHInG.

[@coolguypablo8565]

huh nice math

[@pailhorsegaming6762]

I like guppy, because cat

[@PentaHybrid]

Fair reasoning.

[@HaLKer5]

Me too

[@jaymesrobert5985]

Pail Horse Gaming agreed

[@carmennicole127]

Furry

[@samle1]

S ame

[@BeyondBlizziC]

I feel like the big problem with this list is that you've failed to explain your method of rating and what exactly you mean by best. Guppy is unarguably the best transformation in terms of power, Spun is only better in extremely damage starved runs, which is why so many people disagree with you. I don't think the definition of best in this case is right since you put a lot of emphasis on rarity, which doesn't really matter when directly comparing them. It's KINDA like saying a mid-tier damage up item is better than Sacred Heart just because it's easier to get. I understand why you take the transformation items into account, but again, too much emphasis. Guppy's attack modifier makes up for it with it's massive damage increase. Like I said, proper definition and value is too vague on this list. If it were something like "most preferable" list, then I'd agree with it, because Spun is the safer bet while still giving a solid upgrade.

[@catnip159]

Noël someone’s triggered. It’s his opinion ok, you don’t have to fucking change his opinion because you don’t like it. Everyone has opinions. Except for Donald trump, he just does what he wants cuz he likes to. Also your not taking into account the buffs from the items you need to get them. Guppy can be worse than spun taking certain items like guppys tail, body and head because sure you have nine lives but only one heart, and you get zero keys making it impossible to win due to lack of item rooms, and just a couple of flies from a room that just get depleted anyway. The spun items give you speed, range, more speed and range, damage and range, shot speed and other things. Plus the fact that you get +2 damage and 0.15 more speed. This makes spun better than guppy. So guppy isn’t ‘non-arguably better’. Next time, think about the facts and buffs before you think of how many times you use it. Thank you. Also pls no hate. Even though I kinda raged...

[@jehzt6768]

Ultimate orange Gamer wtf do you mean triggered? Are you 10?? The dude just typed a well thought out explanation as to why the dude should’ve explained his thoughts more in depth as to why he chose spun instead of guppy. Dude is hardly fuckng triggered. But i guess someone is talking a little negatively about your favorite KZbinr so you gotta defend him.

[@catnip159]

JehzT actually I literally just found this youtube, or I did back when I made the comment. He said that the guppy transformation was non-arguably better without taking the buffs of the items and usefulness into account

[@catnip159]

JehzT also why do people associate stupid with ten year olds? That just shows that you have no respect to people learning that are younger than you. Some ten year olds are way smarter than adults too

[@jollabang9564]

Another problem with this guy that I've noticed is that he gets very toxic whenever someone comments something like you know, facts that a certain item on the list isn't really good, it's still an opinion, backed up with a fact.

[@nicocchi]

Well, I can see Spun being better than Guppy in terms of accesibility (syringes being more common) but... I think Guppy is better overall. Dead Cat and Guppy's Tail can help you transform, and even The Left Hand can help sometimes. Even if Spun items are better and more common, I think what Guppy itself gives heavily outweights the stat increases of Spun. Also, Guppy is cute

[@samu5167]

That ending was super unsatisfying lol. Hust had like a pixel of health left and the video ended :D

[@razorfinger]

"There is no bad syringe item" Well you know except for experimental treatment

[@PentaHybrid]

Tired comment, honestly. It's not bad. You're just cynical.

[@Haugys]

PentaHybrid How is a potential damage/tears downgrade not bad? oh, yeah. but it was totally worth it for the shot speed and range. The problem with treatment is that you never know what you'll get. And once you know what it did, there's no reversing it. At least when i pick up guppies collar or hairball i know what i'm in for. Any decent player would try to get rid of his red health most of the time anyways, so it's price isn't an issue either. The only time spun would actually increase the dps more than guppy would be if your tear damage is below 1. so basically never, except you're running soy milk. Late game, with a damage stat of 20, spun would only contribute 10 more percent, bringing it to 22. WIth guppy on the other hand, you're already at 60. And that's without hive mind.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Also terrible stat Eden starts with flight are better for spun too.

[@Meia195]

You know it's bad for one simple reason: If you see 9 Lives as your first guppy item in a run, you will do mental gymnastics in your head to try and make it work. If you see Experimental Treatment as your first spun item in a run(or at any point in it), you probably won't grab it. It's as much as trap item as something like Curse of the Tower or Cursed Eye. Fact is, Guppy makes a run doable if you've been unlucky with getting no damage upgrades(and gives flying on the side as a bonus). Spun doesn't do much more than a free damage upgrade, which is nice, but not really comparable here. The other downside is most of the syringes give you speed buffs, which is the most common buff in the game anyway(few runs go without having max speed since the cap is only 2).

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

Meia195 except guppy gets better the more damage you have. It ca turn a run you could already win with skill into a steamroll but it rarely makes runs that are truly terrible ( aka terrible eden start never getting damage or tears items just stuff like charm tears) into passable runs, but spun could give a run like this a chance.

[@cosmiccheeto4402]

Insert comment arguing about opinions and spun being higher than guppy

[@PentaHybrid]

lol

[@justsomecommentchannel8602]

"All of the syringes are stat increases" (ehmexperimentaltreatmentehm)

[@PentaHybrid]

Experimental Treatment is a stat increase. It's just randomized.

[@adamjack7891]

PentaHybrid experimental treatment is at least one stat increase AND one stat decrease, with a chance to have up to two more decreases and more increases. At best you get multiple stat increases and one stat decrease, at worst you get three stat decreases and one stat increase. Not worth taking, ever.

[@corsicasanova]

adam I often play the treament unless I'm in a really underpowered run. -1 attack in an overpowered one is fine if you gain 1 luck. I find all stats overall even if some are most precious than others (damage, health, hp) it gets pretty hard to really luck out and loose all 3 in favor of height. But I'll agree that it is a gamble and I'm the kind of guy that plays pills without a phd.

[@JeyJey88-9]

I didnt even know "oh crap" existed

[@gabriele_prima]

Me too

[@CheePufStudios]

Same

[@ElecWaff]

guppy is a cute kitten spun is Isaac with 2 syringes inhaled into his flesh guppy>spun Cmon, you can't argue with that logic!

[@OhrCompendium]

ElectronicWaffles Plus Cats are SACRED animals according to egyptian mythology! Guppy is the reincarnation of Bastet Goddess of health and war!

[@originalcomment4818]

@@OhrCompendium yeah.... I am pretty sure dogs we're more sacred than cats

[@OhrCompendium]

@@originalcomment4818 ???

[@TheRealDismantler]

Guppy is also a corpse. Spun is at least alive?

[@TheMartyandy]

@@OhrCompendium I mean, so were dung beetles...

[@kingswagoncat6251]

Guppy is close to my heart as it was the first thing that ripped open Mom’s

[@PentaHybrid]

LOL!

[@stefansolciansky7302]

Comment section in the nutshell: Guppy is better.

[@OxidizedNail]

Štefan Solčianský They do gotta point tho

[@K11LSCR33N_]

Always

[@DaveHelios99]

they could have added a transformation for picking up "The Soul", "The Mind" and "The Body", in my opinion.

[@thiaagoo___2310]

Yea if you pick those 3 they give you godhead kappa

[@davidarruda8400]

Good luck getting all three in one run

[@theboss-oj2vo]

You do get a transformation form it. You get the "won run" transformation

[@cosmiko._]

Guppy has a cuter look than spun

[@PentaHybrid]

SCP_XxxMLGxxX Yeah...not a factor. Lol

[@ask_os_2229]

I personally find spun really cute

[@sausemanget2185]

SCP_XxxMLGxxX that's debatable

[@FranXiT]

Bro, this is the proof! Guppy is CUTER. I bet you can't argue against that (penta... i mean... it was obviously a joke... chill)

[@samikaikkonen4298]

spun is way worse then guppy:(

[@samikaikkonen4298]

and btw i have never gotten spun and you say its easier to get then guppy :P

[@epicgamer-ur1wg]

spun has 8 items, and in more common pools, ang guppy has 6 garbage items in rare pools

[@samikaikkonen4298]

marco schneider sai that to my 120 hours on boi

[@samikaikkonen4298]

marco schneider and half of the spun items are really bad too

[@samikaikkonen4298]

marco schneider "guppy has 6 garbage items" so your saing nine lives is "garbage"

[@leareicher7992]

You can make anything sound better by calling it "raw." With Guppy you get RAW flies that do double your RAW tear damage every time you hit an enemy with a RAW tear. This RAW extra damage from the flies results in the best transformation in the game. Also, you get RAW flight. RAW, dude!

[@PentaHybrid]

Totally RAW comment dude!

[@Apophisrex]

You're nuts if you think Spun is better than Guppy

[@Milo-zw4oo]

setting aside opinions on quality, I think that guppy is more important to have. eg. the game would be worse without it. Without guppy, you'd have no reason to bother, except for with dead cat in some circumstances, the paw if you hate red health, and guppy's head, though there are better space bar items. Syringes didn't need spun to be a must have.

[@spaghettitime1124]

The biggest thing about Guppy is that it's a transformation you actively seek to get. Nobody actively seeks out Spun. You just get it, and think "Hm, that's pretty neat."

[@mundaney]

Why even watch this when you know Guppy will be #1. Wait, what?!

[@depressedkermit3752]

You cant believe its not butter bean?

[@stefansolciansky7302]

@@depressedkermit3752 nice joke.

[@depressedkermit3752]

@@stefansolciansky7302 thanks.

[@lotusauer4785]

When it's 2019 and I thought it was gonna be a tier list again

[@Shadoboy]

The only srynge item I don't like is Experimental Treatment. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to always screw me over when I decide to give it a chance. "Oh hey, you got your damage reduced to a joke, but you got one red heart and maximum range!"

[@etherraichu]

the spider one would've been great if it let you auto-charm or convert red spiders. Or if it let you get Double Spiders instead of normal Spiders. Edit: I totally forgot, I know how to mod the game! :D Ill let you know how it worked out

[@ivanspoljaric9267]

for me spun isn't even in top 5

[@alechandro89]

Then play this game

[@thatoneguywiththeextremely8182]

PentaHybrid: *puts guppy second* Everyone: so you have chosen death

[@thefremdschaemen8799]

Honestly, I would've put spun and guppy together. They're both insane. I believe guppy (the transformation itself) is a little better than spun, but the items are a little bit worse. I'd call it dead even. I agreed with most of the list though. Nice vid.

[@lorenzodavidsartormaurino413]

Why doesnt Leviathan is higher? If you are counting on the items DEFINITELY Leviathan is way better than all others for ej. in a run you get Brimstone, Abbadon and The Nail, ¡BUM! You are Leviathan Who can fly heal himself with the nail and shoots a high damaged death ray of blood.

[@spacecore5322]

OR maybe you can have a very high fire rate/high damage and spawn lots of flies to hit the enemies or spawn very strong flies and attack the enemys with them

[@someone-er1on]

"Why doesnt leviathan is higher?" Proper English, please

[@lazykirby57]

@@someone-er1on of course. Obviously english is the only language

[@someone-er1on]

@@lazykirby57 i forgot this existed lmao, my bag

[@tptrashaf8710]

I never get beelzebub

[@PentaHybrid]

Tem mie That's because your from Undertale, silly.

[@vasilijeprvulovic8851]

PentaHybrid You're

[@PentaHybrid]

Mobile. I don't even bother if I'm on my phone anymore.

[@Heavy_Ammo]

I’ve gotten it once didnt even know or care about it

[@animalkidcze1120]

I got him because the dice room 😄😄

[@stupidstuff9046]

"all the syringes are good" Adrenaline - entirely useless without red hearts Experimental Treatment - luck based Roid Rage - speed up items are too common Speed Ball - case in point Growth Hormones - good (also yet another speed up) Synthoil - good The Virus - straight downgrade to serpent's kiss

[@PentaHybrid]

Everything can be "bad" if you look at it with that attitude. Godhead - tears and shot speed down. Brimstone - charge item, must be bad. Mulligan - worse than Guppy. Serpents Kiss - Virus that *doesn't* contribute to Spun. If you are looking for negatives in something, you will no doubt only see the negatives. I'm not that shallow.

[@shnappy9702]

@@PentaHybrid You're comments are just "wah people dislike my sub par video with shitty explanations wah"

[@PentaHybrid]

@@shnappy9702 Still has more views and likes than you. I'll take a few whiny people.

[@Amouat2000]

Dude, I totally agree with you putting spun 1st, Spun! is so, so, soooooo good. Not only is Spun! damage scale with dmg multipliers, it is a nice speed boost too.

[@joris4235]

Awesome vid Penta! One of my most favourite videos

[@andrewbrown8965]

For the bob transformation you forgot to add bobs bladder to the items, even though it is a trinket, it does contribute

[@PentaHybrid]

Andrew Brown No way...I thought they patched that out. I'll have to double check.

[@greenquartz5561]

Have you checked already ? :v

[@PentaHybrid]

FelipongoRules!!! It doesn't.

[@lazaruslives2]

Imma just say it, comparing spun to guppy is like comparing crayola to prismacolor. Sure spun is cheaper and isn't too bad, but one is way more popular (and higher quality) than the other

[@defalt8999]

I think guppy os The best, but i respect your opinion

[@commanderpeashooter2247]

8:21 whats wrong with tech X? that item is really good at taking out groups of enemies, and it also shoots through enemies and obstacles. it also has a decent fire rate too.

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

I personally would have nicer things to say about conjoined, and adult! sounds good enough on paper. But I can agree with almost every other entry.

[@PentaHybrid]

I felt I was pretty fair with Conjoined. It's not a top tier transformation, but can be awesome.

[@SomeGuy-tr2hi]

PentaHybrid You are totally right, it's just that i personally enjoy it a bit more, but I think you make a better argument in your video than any defense I can think of. MY complaint with conjoined is that it's very difficult to remember which familiars contribute to conjoined.

[@PentaHybrid]

Some Guy I can never remember which ones! LOL

[@FoxloidShiroko]

I know you must have heard no end of it but for me it's gotta be guppy just because I love flight so much, to the point that i'd put spun below leviathan and seraphim. I absolutely adore the utility and prioritize flight over most things. But I know you're better at the game than me by an absolute landslide and have the raw skill to not be as reliant on flight and really utilize the benefits of spun. I'm also curious about your take on exp treatment though, I never pick it up just because I feel like any time I have it's screwed me over. Is it actually something I should be taking?

[@mikhailmcmorrow6440]

Ideas for transformations. 1st Acceptance. gives you the happy Isaac face from his fight and the ability to be revived as any character with a 25% chance, and a plus 3 damage buff, but if you get hit in a room it goes away. you need blue baby's only freind, the blue baby head that follows you (forgot it's name) the ankh, either play as the lost, blue baby or Issac. (you only need 3 of these attributes) 2nd Greedy. gives you the greed smile and a noose around your neck. (you can guess what the noose is for, hint hint flight.) You gain 99 coins and 12, YES, 12 extra heart containers. the catch? ALL YOUR HEALTH BECOMES KEEPER COIN HEALTH! That means all hearts drops turn into coins. You need... (GASP) greedy gullet, head of the keeper, stock refresh, steam sale, the noose, a dollar/Gain 99 coins somehow, and finally, collect at least 5 lucky coins in a run. ( same deal, only need 3 of em) 3rd Time fcuker. gives you random cosmetic change and black particles around you. with the whole "time" thing, you get either Binky or the razor depending on if you have the other, an extra Gemini like little steven that when hit by enough tears gets free and chases enemies. You need either steven, lil steven, the hourglass or glowing hourglass. (ERROR 404 ONLY 3 ITEMS REQUIRED) 4th Over dosed. Grey's Isaacs skin and gives him a depressed look. when Issac Deals damage to something (or takes contact damage) It has a 10% chance to inflict a status effect and a 2% chance to inflict EVERY DEBUF IN THE GAME. requires Baggy of pills, placebo, mom's bottle of pills, or Ingest 15 pills. (3 only. you get the deal) That's all I have for now but be tuned for more in the future. comment if you have a idea.

[@mikhailmcmorrow6440]

Rnd_ Understandable you feel that way. tbh I feel that (looking back on it) it wasn't such a great idea. maybe substitute Issac, B baby and lost with anything that "kills Issac" as in his sprite is dead but you can still play. also added new transformations =)

[@deoxysandmew2162]

Thanks to your video, I had to made my own list of Isaac's Transformations, just out of curiosity, of how it would look like. LOL I tried to take everything in account like: - How frequent they appear. - How many different items are there, that allows you to transform into said transformation. (For example: Beelzebub 18 items out of 3 you need) - Is the transformation easy to access?! - What the said transformation gives you and how it's useful. - In what item pools the items can be found?! - Their drawbacks. - And whether they synergize or not. So, here it is, my list of Isaac's Transformations from best to worst. (In my opinion) 1 - Guppy 2 - Beelzebub 3 - Leviathan 4 - Spun 5 - Bookworm 6 - Conjoined 7 - Yes Mother! 8 - Seraphim 9 - Fun Guy 10 - Super Bum 11 - Spider Baby 12 - Adult (Pill T.) 13 - Bob 14 - Oh Crap! 15 - Stompy (Pill T.) If anyone has any questions perhaps to why I think this way, you can always ask. ;) LOL XD

[@hollevi]

You just started a war between the comments cuz you think that guppy isn't number one on the list. congrats

[@PentaHybrid]

hollevi I started that war like two months ago. Lol

[@gothemcloud]

I have never lost a run with Guppy, I have, however lost a few with spun.

[@R0NYFL0NY]

Lol everyone is mad about spun being higher than guppy, but nobody is mad about seraphim and leviathan higher than book worm?

[@PentaHybrid]

Green Shaman Because people realize that book worm sucks.

[@coso132]

book worm is half 20/20 , flight isnt (but i think half 20/20 actually is better to)

[@STULF20X6]

I'm of a similar thought just because in most runs I have, I already have flight by the time I get either transformation. Seraphim by itself has several items that give flight before the transformation, so really when I do get it, it's more like "oh, free soul hearts."

[@JoaoLucasK]

What do you prefer? Half 20/20 or flight and health?

[@jaopao3227]

PentaHybrid: * Chooses spun over Guppy * Also PH: *The hardest of decisions require the strongest of pills*

[@JonnyTheChannel]

At what spot would you place the stompy transformation?

[@Tigercup9]

Wholeheartedly agree on the Super Bum thing. I haven't played a lot of Isaac, but I watch a lot of Isaac, and I think I've seen Key Bum ONCE in all the time, and Super Bum one other time. Granted there was probably a time or two that the finding of Key Bum was cut out of the video, but still.

[@alexspeed8888]

Guppy is way better than spun, a little damage up of two cant be compared to the 150% extra damage of each fly!

[@localidiot3868]

Spun's face is the face you make where ur in the curse of the blind and you get experimental treatment

[@nipthekitten7002]

Guppy is best. It's a cute cat.

[@caleborg5688]

the thing about spun is that unlike the iconicness and obvious effects of guppy, spun is kinda like, "well, what did that do?"

[@xXinslavedXx]

not that it matters, spoiler. Everyone that is freaking out saying guppy is better was clearly not listing to the video. All of the items leading up to spun is useful, not guppy. Honestly all the guppy items are mostly trash while most of the syringes are useful (and more common). Only 9 lives is really good and that's in certain situations.

[@memesta2180]

DIrgeGaming How r the guppy items shit?

[@xXinslavedXx]

Ghostly Pickaxe extra lives are not normally that useful, guppy's tail is borderline ok but not worth the health it takes. guppy's hairball is pretty bad unless you have like no damage at all, and guppy's head is fine, just not stellar and is beaten by alot of other spacebar items. Don't take this as rude just as an explanation 😊

[@Zen17h]

DIrgeGaming The big benefit with many Guppy items is that you lose red health to get them, allowing you more soul/black hearts and more Polaroid procs, as well as having a devil deal item that you can easily pick up, use once and reroll - overall allowing you a much more powerful run than just taking the transformation items in question Tail is almost always worth it as long as you already have 3+ keys and open up item rooms first 9 Lives is handy for getting 1 red health and still being able to take another devil deal Head is a great spacebar item if you don't have one yet, but you can still reroll it afterwards without feeling bad Paw is the second best way of getting rid of extra red hearts(I'd say the melon baller is now for a meatboy army) Hairball can be used (I think?) to block shots Collar is kinda meh

[@adamjack7891]

DIrgeGaming experimental treatment is bad

[@xXinslavedXx]

adamjack7891 neither bad or good, it's random

[@shinuizabusa2180]

Nice Penta, i love your vids (you know that) and i agree with Spun and Guppy. Have a good one :)

[@PentaHybrid]

Very tough call to make. I love my Guppy, and still like him more. But I will never argue with raw positive stats. Guppy is far more rare, the items aren't that great, and Mulligan (while weaker) is still an item on the side.

[@shinuizabusa2180]

Ofc only raw stats. We all love guppy.

[@PentaHybrid]

Shinui Zabusa Guppy Dream!!!

[@daytoyhu5111]

Am I the only one that every run get guppy

[@PentaHybrid]

I left a random Star Trek Easter egg in this video as well. Astute Trek fans might spot it.

[@telatomodosh7410]

don't make me look for it don't make me god dammit now I gotta find it

[@telatomodosh7410]

all I can link it to is in the conjoined review

[@telatomodosh7410]

FIRE EVERYTHING

[@PentaHybrid]

Thomas Toledo Nope

[@telatomodosh7410]

Damnit I can't find it.

[@drowninglessons5045]

The beginning is gonna keep me up for the rest of the morning...

[@novagame5403]

guppy is better by 1000000 times then spun or any other transformation in the game

[@alechandro89]

If you have a good damage or you'r flyes are good then yes but if not then spun is better smetimes for me

[@SeriousSam691]

This has disturbed, alarmed, AND frightened me for the 3rd time in a row. Dammit Penta, what'd you do to me?

[@PentaHybrid]

Sans, Master of Puns *laughs gleefully while stroking his beard*

[@SeriousSam691]

Jokes aside, when you were about to decide between Spun and Guppy I was actually saying "If I were you, I'd put Spun at number 2 and Guppy at number 1, *which is what I think you're gonna do anyway."* Oh, how naive I was...nevertheless, you gave good reasons for your picks, and while I may not *completely* agree, I can totes respect at you, bruh. (sorry not sorry)

[@xiokan2541]

>8:21 >Shit item >implying Tech X is shit

[@PentaHybrid]

Yup

[@MultiCool55]

Tech X can be bad. Try fighting mega stan with tech x and 2 damage.

[@aguynamedguy9385]

Here's a tip: You don't need to fully charge the Tech X laser for full damage, it does full damage on any charge.

[@roaldmcdoald]

I can see where you’re coming from, ranking not only that transformation but also the items required. I think that’s why it was close and spun won out. But items required aside, I think that the effect of guppy is better. Still, it is a close call!

[@perfectedwarrior79]

*Sees that number one is spun* *Hasn't played either of the DLC's yet* I've gotta say. Spun is quite good from what I've seen. And the items you get it with are also excellent as well. (Even you experimental treatment.) While Guppy is excellent and all. Well the items for that are well. Guppys hairball and that damn tail. So. Spun kinda wins out for me as well. Must've been difficult to choose there huh, Penta?

[@PentaHybrid]

Very tough choice to make. I still like Guppy more personally.

[@perfectedwarrior79]

PentaHybrid Well at least we don't have riots about this decision yet. Besides that one guy who seems to moan about all your choices. (You know who you are.) And thanks again for the response!

[@inarosthedad3565]

+Daniel Cathcart flys just pay out more in the end

[@matthewfanous8468]

"that joke was really funny, it lands in my top ten list of top ten jokes in top ten videos"

[@evanmarx4813]

Legends say, if you're early Penta will reply

[@LouLou69420]

No

[@PentaHybrid]

Yes

[@evanmarx4813]

You have been proven wrong, filthy clown.

[@LouLou69420]

You're mean

[@mistyisty1355]

I’m only 9 months late. I’m definitely early enough!

[@auctoritate8254]

>no bad syringe experimental treatment?

[@dalmnationtwitch7931]

#NotNotificationSquad

[@PentaHybrid]

#ButtBombsforPresident

[@cookiethecartoon7515]

Imagine turning into your dead cat you suffocated many times with. Thats heavy.

[@momsknife2631]

I give up on you penta (jk I love you no homo)

[@PentaHybrid]

Mom's Knife Well to be fair I have up on Mom's Knife three years ago. OHHHHH! *Mic Drop* lol

[@coreyberg7823]

PentaHybrid nice typo in you roast penta lmao

[@Atomicrow]

Out of the nine seraphim items, 3 give flight (the bible is temporary however) and 2 give soul hearts (the mitre doesn't actually GIVE soul hearts but it turns red hearts into soul hearts so close enough). This means that 5/9 of the items you need for seraphim give you the effects of seraphim by themselves.

[@hvt3730]

Why conjoined in 8th man

[@PentaHybrid]

As I explained in the video, it was just below average. On 80% of the runs you get it, it's not synergistic and can ruin your damage and tear rate. Also, as I point out in the video, it's not bad. Just not superior.

[@kairaus]

PentaHybrid I got an insane conjoined synergy. Conjoined, triple shot, wiz shot, shielded tears, guppy, hive mind and a bunch of damage :p

[@jbdragonfire]

- "amazing conjoied synergy" - "had guppy+hive mind" ...ok?

[@kairaus]

Jbdragonfire yeah, that was just the icing on the cake lol

[@mr.serperior7002]

Vepokk add soy milk and libra too and try to get damage by teard

[@nerdyplaysmagic8270]

My second ever greed mode run:Played as lilithThe one holy crown thingcontinuumtons of damagecar batteryConjoinedIt was amazing. One of the few times I can say conjoined is a good transformationAlso, great video as always, penta!

[@Cezkarma]

Penta you don't seem to handle criticism very well. You made a list, people disagree. Now handle it like an adult

[@PentaHybrid]

J-Walker, you don't seem to understand what "in character" means. You made a comment, I responded. Now carry on with your day.

[@shnappy9702]

@@PentaHybrid what a dick

[@abandonedaccounnt]

Personal favourite's probably Bob. As a casual defender of Bob's Brain I think it's pretty sweet to see it add towards a transformation and Curse/Rotten Head aren't too rare. I get why you picked Spun! but I'll contend that most Guppy items are good - the only one I'd never pick up if not for Guppy would be collar and maybe tail. Nine Lives + Guppy's Paw is also an excellent combination that's saved me several times. I'm not sure how most people feel about Guppy's Hairball but I really like it. None of the proponents of Guppy directly stack but Guppy itself is so broken that sacrificing a heart for Guppy's Head is well-worth it. Based on your other lists I think you might've secretly went "Oh, Guppy makes the game too easy." but whatever - I like raw damage and I like Spun! too.

[@thunderball11111]

My argument is this. Spun is rare because there are very few syringes, especially considering experimental treatment is detrimental most of the time. Also if you get spun it’s not really useful anymore as it gives you the same bonuses as it’s constituent parts. The only one that is good to get twice is damage and fair enough damage is VERY important but I don’t think you can say damage makes it better than guppy. Guppy gives you guaranteed flies on every hit which do two times your damage. That means guppy is a three times multiplier to damage plus flight. Further still mulligan flies don’t just expend themselves they circle you and make you untouchable by melee enemies. Turning any excess damage into defence. Finally guppy is tied to the meta of Issac, you go for deals with the devil. That’s just what you do and guppy comes from devil item pool therefore you will effectively be searching for guppy every run.

[@epictrain9993]

TBOI update logs: -added tech 0,a item wich is a tech beam that connects a tear with another... time for synergies, conjoined/the wiz(cause conjoined is actually an wiz),tech 0 and lost lent,if you want even soymilk+libra and 20/20 tell me if good idea

[@nicolesimpsonsdog4442]

GODDAMNIT YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE THEN YOU PUT GUPPY AT NUMBER TWO. I'M CRUSHED

[@PentaHybrid]

Mick Raw I never asked to be the Chosen One.

[@nicolesimpsonsdog4442]

PentaHybrid you don't ask to be the chosen one, you're chosen to be the chosen one

[@ingenjannik]

I know this video is a year old but putting Spun over Guppy has irritated me enough to comment anyway. Based purely on the power, Guppy is so, so much better than Spun. The blue flies absolutely dwarf the measly +2 dmg, and flight, being the best defensive tool in the game (+ a value generator) just shits on the basically irrelevant speed boost that Spun provides. Your argument of syringe items being better is to be taken with a grain of salt. Guppy items range anywhere from trash to op, while syringe items are generally good but never amazing. The real issue i have with your line of reasoning is that you completely ignore accessibility even though you used it as a factor in rating earlier. Guppy isn’t just the strongest but by far and away the easiest transformation to get, as guppy items are common and accessible in multiple (good) item pools. So you have the by far strongest and easiest to achieve transformation ranked below a hard to get +2 dmg up. You can’t in all honesty expect me to believe you’re that conceited about the power level of guppy. It’s fairly obvious you just wanted to pick an unexpected number 1 even though you must have known how wrong you were.

[@etherraichu]

When I first saw the Conjoined intro, I thought "Conjoined is great so long as you have Tech X" XD

[@delirious323]

14. Fun guy 13. Adult 12. Spiderbaby 11. Oh crap! 10. Bob 9. Mom 8. Conjoined 7. Super bum 6. Bookworm 5. Seraphim 4. Leviathan 3. Beelzebub 2. Guppy 1. Spun

[@AllmightyGhostboy]

despite all the people saying your opinion is wrong and all the controversy its a pretty solid Isaac video man props to you for explaining time and time again in the video and comment section why you picked what you picked! you still got a thumbs up for me

[@PentaHybrid]

It's part of the hobby. Lol. Been dealing with it for too many years. These comments are tame compared to some of my other ones. Lol

[@catnip159]

Guppy sucks cuz the flies kill everything putting all of your items to shame, thus ruining the perfectness of being able to kill enemies by yourself. Also spun has better runner-up items and stat boost, whereas guppy makes you pick up items such as nine lives (BLEHH), guppys head (DJANJMEINAH), guppys hairball (UHDEFBUVHBURHFNVIHRFNCEIWHBDIJCBJ), guppys tail (I mean well, good if you have the lockpick thingy lace or loads of keys. Otherwise it’s EEUHFBBDNCIOGSNEWDIOGCNGSNDIOJFIJRFMOKMASIGBCWMFIGNWEIGDBQOISKFGBIM7SUNJ), and teh other tings. But runner up for spun gives you range and speed, more range and speed, shot speed and speed, damage and range, and other super useful things. Also the transformation gives you even MOAR damage and speed, making you twice as OP. Also most of the syringes are amazing. So overall, spun is better. Except for you experimental treatment *sit in the corner and **_cry_*

[@cheesewizard8943]

Penta: leaves tech x Olexa: _incomprehensible aneurysm noises_

[@PentaHybrid]

Cmon man. It's not polite to talk about the way Olexo speaks. Lol

[@filipklominek3527]

The list of transformations I have access to best to worst: 1: Guppy 2: Beelzebub

[@ProfNekko]

I'd have to put Guppy at #1 for one reason and one reason alone: Synergies. There are so many items in the game that gives Guppy a huge boost that it's hard to avoid them all, and just one of them can turn Guppy from "great" into "messiah of death"

[@pickaxechannel5807]

I was watching this video and after you started talking about the 3 best guppy items: dead cat, guppy's collar and guppy's head I got all of them in a curse room lol.

[@zeroed]

i remember once i got spun, mom, and guppy in one run

[@ap-ix6yd]

Spun at #1 *vietnam flashbacks to run-ruining tears and attack down experimental treatments and only finding speed syringes*

[@suddenllybah]

Just beat a purist challenge with guppy, and I was reminded of the fact that guppy needs set-up to be good on regular rooms. If you can't still most enemies with tears, then you can't build up a fly zone to make chasing enemies die as well as deal massive amounts of damage against bosses by using flies generated in previous rooms. Still good to get, but the guppy items themselves were eh (hairball is only sometimes a tear blocker, guppy's paw let me trade a heart container for easier devil deals, and guppy's tail is ... Hard to gage the value of.) Flight was really good, as it let me trade my pony for the magic fingers item, which made double gurdy Jr and Mr Fred trival in the womb, as well as making the start of the mom's heart fight easy. (I think pentagram and champ belt were my only damage ups, besides maybe a random Jesus juice.)

[@drawbyyourselve]

Personally, I'd take guppy over spun, just for flying. But i agree with your points. Spun once saved me a sou milk run.

[@DTHW115]

Good Vid and the most impotent thing: You played the best Stage Theme (Fundamentum/Burning Basement) in the back ground.

[@kimreese1011]

is it possible to have 2 or more transformations at once? i cant decide between guppy, bleezlbub, and spider baby. cant i have all three?

[@tl4773]

When you get guppy item by restarting the game for curse room, when you fight haunt to get experimental treatment.

[@jagerdemon8065]

1:35 gainsa is my new favourite word

[@theginmyprofilepicturestan2804]

8:21 “Screw you, shit item” *literally has said item in the number one spot of most overpowered starting items*

[@mace5953]

i love the conjoined transformation, since it is like triple shot but doesn't give the MASSIVE tears down, on its own its not too powerful but it has awesome synergy, like have you ever had conjoined, brimstone and bounding tears? its so funny to just fill a room with 6 brimstone's, however i hate getting familiers (other that dark bum, icubus and daddy long legs) because i feel they just don't really do much, and there are so many other items that i could have gotten that are infinity better

[@sethjohnston4658]

How do you get the stat counter on the left side of the screen?

[@whyareyoulookingatmyname4931]

In my opinion Guppy is better for the transformation itself, but if you count the items you need to get them, I could see Spun being better. But to be fair, I love Guppy wayyyyy more than Spun.

[@PentaHybrid]

Whyareyoulookingatmyname I do too. I said in the opening, these aren't my favorites. Guppy is my favorite.

[@ThomasPEggle]

R.I.P Guppy. 20XX-2017 Someone Got Drunk And Chose Spun Instead. I Will Sit Vigil With The Dead Cat For Being Abused Like This. Because "Stats" Matter More Then Flight, Flies And 9-Infinite Lives Aswell As A Great Familiar And A Cute Cat. Also Hype For Bumbo's Quest! :3