Ranking LIAM VICKERS ANIMATION | Tyromaniac Talks

When I found Murder Drones, it led me straight down the rabbit hole to its creator, ‪@LiamVickersAnimation‬. Since then, I've gotten really into all of his content so I thought I'd make another video talking about it (and assigning arbitrary numbers, of course)!
#CliffSide #MurderDrones #Ranking
0:00 Intro
1:08 Let's Split Up
1:56 CliffSide
3:09 Internecion Cube
4:34 Murder Drones
5:42 Ranking Time

[@Tyromaniac]

As promised... if you like inhuman women with murderous abilities, check him out! Liam Vickers Animations - kzbin.infofeatured

[@walterbrink5391]

Name every inhuman woman with murderous abilities that Liam has ever created… I’ll wait.

[@Tyromaniac]

No, I don't think I will

[@walterbrink5391]

@@Tyromaniac Fine then, keep your secrets

[@Tyromaniac]

Fine, I'll do it myself... Sarah Duffy (as Cold) Malie Lau (not her original name but it is in PuppetGAME so...) Kali Aimes (Subject 12) Subject 47 (I think) Julie Rowe Subject 104 Halogen Fear Subject 02 Mari Subject 888 (Circe Parsons) Subject 52 (I think her real name was Alex or something) Subject 0111 Sketch Ava (surprised I remembered her name) Haze Borden Di Lily (character from the Unpaid Redactions concept art that everyone thinks is Malie) Cordie Gobblety Tobblety (took me forever to find her) IC-0n Kirie Bonin IC-52n IC-313n (or Icelen according to concept art) Uzi (is it a coincidence that she's named after a submachine gun?) Serial Designation V Serial Designation J There, @Walter Brink, happy? Also no, I'm not even gonna touch the one-off creepypastas.

[@walterbrink5391]

@@Tyromaniac caught in 4K Ultra HD FBI open up moment. Circe is 17, Kirie is 15, subject 104 is 8! Would you consider them women and of legal age of consent?!? Jk appreciate the effort. It’s longest list I’ve ever seen

[@GeorgeCowsert]

Liam Vickers seems to have a consistent thing for "goofball male MC and psychotic female MC" and I can't help but respect that.

[@Tyromaniac]

I love it, personally

[@victorfalcon2463]

Don’t forget the emotionless friend they’re the best

[@Tyromaniac]

You're right, can't forget about them

[@neaosmt1562]

He still keeps up with This trope and I love it every time

[@TheKnifeRaven]

Liam is that one awkward friend who vanishes for months at a time and randomly shows up at a gathering and gives everyone a great time.

[@Tyromaniac]

Straight facts

[@UZI_SHITTING_ON_THE_FLOOR]

"killer robot waifu" had me dieing from laughter lol

[@Tyromaniac]

Like I said, if I say it enough it becomes funny

[@UZI_SHITTING_ON_THE_FLOOR]

@@Tyromaniac true dat

[@WhimsicalLensflare]

Haha, nice one also, nice username

[@UZI_SHITTING_ON_THE_FLOOR]

@@WhimsicalLensflare thanks

[@kindaepic284]

I'm surprised someone actually mentioned liam's old creepy pasta reading channel

[@Tyromaniac]

And I plan on mentioning it more

[@nanomachines10]

The LVA fandom is actually bringing it back a bit.

[@Refinoc]

I was literally abought to comment "wait tell he hears abought the other channel"

[@torgerthorkildson725]

I was actually planning on listening to some of it soon

[@Tyromaniac]

@torgerthorkildson725 You should, its really good

[@diegoxavier9107]

100% agree, my dude. Internecion Cube really is Vickers at his best. It mashes that signature blend of his (cute, creepy, funny, and surprisingly thoughtful at times) so well

[@drewmaywheader5291]

I totally agree with this rating list , internection cube Is the best show and i would really like to see a complete serie on it

[@Tyromaniac]

Thanks man, and yeah I really hope he picks it back up after Murder Drones comes out

[@drewmaywheader5291]

@@Tyromaniac yeah i sure Hope so

[@martytheanimator6426]

You need to see Episode 2 of Murder Drones... It leans more into the darkness than the comedy, but still has a little comedy to pad out the darkness so it doesn't devolve into an edgefest.

[@Tyromaniac]

Oh I saw it, and I definitely agree

[@RobinWalker-gk2pl]

@@Tyromaniac now you need to see epi 3, 4, 5 and 6 of murder drones and the coming next year epi 7 and 8

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

I think something severely disappointing about Liam's animatics and animations is that they never get enough time to have real stakes. Yes, I do indeed like the "murder waifus" however I also want to see them legitimately threatened by something that forces them to actually listen to whoever does the thinking in each case to overcome or at least survive it. Murder Drones can potentially be the first one of his works to MAYBE get to that point,since he's not the only one responsible about the project,which has me hyped. Also the ranking was surprisingly spot on for my opinions. IC actually stopped and gave us quiet moments of character interaction that displayed some depth,making Max and Ic-0n far more entertaining and easy to get invested in than most of his protagonists.

[@Tyromaniac]

I've thought about that, too. I think Internecion Cube could also avoid that problem (if it does get continued) since it seemed like it was actually trying to set something up with Krow, IC-313n, and the Refinoc facility.

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

@@Tyromaniac I doubt the weeb duo will serve as very threatening foes, they give way too much of a team rocket vibe. Kirie is being built up to be more on the antagonistic side but she's also an emotional mess, having potential for being a very interesting, dangerous and most likely tragic figure. As for Refinoc, I hope that they come off as genuinely competent. Probably by having some devil cubes that'd play the role of side characters, like 313, eventually recaptured in one way or the other and few yet nearly successful attempts against our protags. But they may be used as more comedy fodder, who knows, Liam doesn't have a great record on making shady operations seem like they know what they're doing *cough* design *cough*

[@Tyromaniac]

True, true, true, and true. While the weeb duo and Refinoc might not end up being perfect villains, I think that they symbolize that at least something is being planned. It seems like we're never hearing from CliffSide or Let's Split up again, so having anything in Internecion Cube (even if they don't live up to expectations) is better than nothing.

[@fotismanolopoulos1098]

@@Tyromaniac Let's split up was always meant to be a single short. It was intended to be a low effort project for fun. Cliffside never got approved to become a legitimate show,something Liam anticipated,thus the pilot being surprisingly low on plot hooks. A lot of the community thinks that it is unfair, but to be honest, considering that he's a storyboarder, not an animator, it is likely that the concept was fine, but production would have a lot of issues if it was approved. Cliffside actually also had A LOT of monster designs ready (designs that got me personally more interested than the entire pilot) but with the tone the show was about to have, most of them would probably not be intended to convince the audience that they may actually hurt the protagonists (other than the adult Migrant because Kaijus are usually big deals no matter what). I still really like the idea of a terror bird with a cowboy hat though. As for Murder Drones,I think he went to the right direction with the setting's big bad company. From the POV of the drones it is,as a collective organisation, a nearly eldrich force that acts following corporate logic to a scale they cannot really grasp. This is Liam's first series where we get a far bigger setting and the antagonistic force has grown in scale to match, to the point where the protagonists are so far from a priority they are safe because of it. The company is a distant, looming, impossibly large threat that doesn't even consider them *YET* I hope he keeps it just as threatening till the end.

[@Tyromaniac]

I forgot about the monster designs, you're right, especially the siren (which to me seems like a callback to Yellow Halogen). Also, it did really seem like J.C. Jenson was gonna become the big bad of Murder Drones, but we're just gonna have to wait and see I guess.

[@redman7775]

Liam can only make a handfull of character archetypes, like psycho girl, goofy nerd guy, badass chick; but dammit, he can do them well Also, that one creepy face keeps appearing in all his animations and it makes me think that his stories are all in the same universe

[@Tyromaniac]

Man knows his strengths and runs with them, gotta respect it

[@Hazeious]

​@@Tyromaniac when you mix talents and intellect

[@healioxflame3624]

I wish that Internecion Cube would continue already, though I don't know if I'd give up Murder Drones for it, but that's more because Murder Drones is a pretty close second, though Cube is definitely my favorite

[@Tyromaniac]

Exactly, I'd rather see Murder Drones to completion first but I'd still wanna see more Internecion Cube

[@sloft-70]

5:22 I'm glad this quote aged like milk withe the eldritch Glados monster in episode 2

[@Tyromaniac]

I'm still making up my mind about that, but yeah I'd agree

[@darkmatterstudio7575]

he also created: Gobblety Tobblety

[@Tyromaniac]

Sorry I'm so late to reply, I couldn't find Gobblety Tobblety anywhere. Now that I did, though, I have to say it was pretty funny. If I had to rank it, I would probably put on equal footing with CliffSide.

[@alessiotassangurle2247]

@@Tyromaniac Cliffpeak

[@YaboiZephyr]

Internition cube has my favorite line ever though nothing can top "what in the fresh weeb hell"

[@Tyromaniac]

"No science going on here! Reverse engineering you would be highly... unethical, which is why this was just purely... sexual?"

[@YaboiZephyr]

@@Tyromaniac ohhh yeah true but I use fresh weeb hell on my friends

[@Tyromaniac]

Fair

[@YaboiZephyr]

@@Tyromaniac helps that they are weebs and don't t know what I'm referencing

[@Tyromaniac]

Change that, force them to know what you're referencing

[@black97_0]

I have a strict "no kink shame" policy however that doesn't mean I don't ask questions. Does anyone have any clue when Liam has a... ahem... "a girl who can kill me in ways that should not be physically possible" fetish? I like to imagine he saw that scene from RVB where the two guys are talking about how this super soldier ripped someone's skull out of his head, and beat him to death with it. "Wait a minute. How can you beat someone to death with their own skull? That doesn't seem physically possible." "That's exactly what he kept screaming." [FLASHBACKS] "AAAH! This doesn't seem physically possible!"

[@danielsurvivor1372]

"THAT'S NOT SCIENTIFICALLY POSSIBLE!"

[@Johnnysupercool]

*😭 I want internecion cube to be a full episodes is my favorite show* *also murder drones too :3 but pls I hope Liam Vicker can finish the internecion cube*

[@Tyromaniac]

Same bro, we just gotta hold out for Part 4. If it's coming, it's coming after Murder Drones ends

[@Johnnysupercool]

@@Tyromaniac wait really :0 how?!?!

[@Tyromaniac]

@@Johnnysupercool I'm just assuming, cuz Murder Drones is gonna take a lot of effort, so Liam probably can't work on both at the same time

[@Johnnysupercool]

@@Tyromaniac oh ok also yeah if murder drones is gonna take a lot of time before the next will be realese liam Vicker free time gonna make episode of the internecion cube?

[@alessiotassangurle2247]

Internecion Cube is my god and i will never freaking stop loving IC-0N (step on me if you see this comment IC-0N)

[@LeslieCosmik]

🤨🤨

[@Tyromaniac]

Something malicious is brewing

[@luongmaihunggia]

🤨📸🤨📸🤨📸

[@IhaveaPHDinBoredom]

She -cough cough- IT, it doesn’t have feet-

[@walterbrink5391]

1:20 Weeell actually Di is short for Dianna thus being pronounced like “die”. So sadly you can’t make a Di’s nuts joke😔

[@Tyromaniac]

I'll make it anyways

[@Iamyolomonkey-ed2gh]

2:22 Facts. Straight facts right here. 3:37 yet again, facts

[@rewrew897]

I remember finding a whole bunch of indy animation projects like song in the sky, and among those was cliffside and my does Liam's work have a unique art style that U absolutely love

[@Tyromaniac]

He really does have a cool art style, big eyes and curvy smiles for the win!

[@Imtherealtinzel]

U totally make the best videos about my favorite shows i hope in the future you get more recognition

[@Tyromaniac]

Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy my videos!

[@syweb2]

5:23 The later episodes seem to have you covered. It _definitely_ leans more into horror now. Episode 1 also just kinda suffers from pilot-itis.

[@Bobby20099]

It took me a few rewatches to actually fall in love with cliff side tbh.

[@TrynaGamesOffical]

My first exposure to LVA was through IC. Then I found out he was the guy behind Murder Drones and then I found SSTWL. My gosh, IC is heavily revamped design. As much as i fucking love Design, I feel like it had some iffy areas, especially when 104 did you know what to you know who. IC seems to borrow the best parts of Design, while also having Liam at his best. I legit hope that once Murder Drones is done, he returns, hopefully with more time and money, because if IC is only left at three episodes then this is gonna suck. Also everyone get LVA to 1 mil so he will work on IC again.

[@shoomps2527]

The problem with murder drones is that it suffers from konosuba syndrome, in that they trade comedy for good characters. Example: uzi's dad was sacrificed for the sake of a few bits where he's obsessed with doors. Which arguably wasn't even that funny. Uzi's dad has potential to be a good character. But if the series picks up from the pilot, they can do one of 2 things with uzi's dad. 1. Continue the door joke 2. Completely reset him to be a better character. Thats what makes Internecion cube better, is that the humor works well with the characters.

[@Tyromaniac]

I was more thinking that the comedy undermined the horror elements, but I see what you're saying about the characters too. There were definitely a few moments where a character trait was played for laughs when taking it seriously would've made it so much better (J's religious devotion to the company, for example).

[@walterbrink5391]

There are more tumbleweeds seen in Internecion Cube than in CliffSide

[@BasementDweller_]

I like Cliffside the most but I like all their projects very well.

[@Tyromaniac]

Fair

[@mistymp4]

to the fact that we have the same opinions including the ranking part is concerning. i like how you detailed the criticism more nicely than i would

[@Tyromaniac]

Well you see, that's cause I read your mid while writing the script. Also yeah, for me it takes a lot less explaining to say what I like about something then why I don't like about it, so yeah

[@krow1551]

My favorite part of Liam Vicker is the experimentation. Cliffside will always be my favorite personally. Despite that I have yet to watch Murder Drones lol. I might get to it eventually but something stops me and I don't know what.

[@Tyromaniac]

Liam definitely has a wide range of ideas for content, and I definitely recommend Murder Drones for whenever you wanna watch it. Also yeah, CliffSide is pretty dang good

[@user-zx8ul1ci6v]

Cool

[@snekboiboop]

aughhh i rlly hope liam picks back up internecion cube!!! even if alotta the story/design he reused for murder drones (in some way), i still care about it!!

[@neilbautista9692]

Friendship over with Waifus, Mentally insane killing machine robot waifu achieved

[@Tyromaniac]

The best part is there are two you could be talking about

[@infectedpotato117]

exact same ranking as me. internecion cube just has such good world building that its a massive shame its been dropped

[@sasha1mama]

Heresy. I'm telling Cyn.

[@Tyromaniac]

Uh oh

[@krisgamer008]

Don't worry Murder drones didn't lean into the comedy to heavily in episode 7

[@youtubeisapublisher6407]

C U B E

[@Tyromaniac]

Indeed

[@theamazinggamer111]

"Murder Drones may not reach it's full potential because it could focus too much on the comedy." YOU HAD NO IDEA HOW RIGHT YOU WERE, TY!

[@Tyromaniac]

I'd say they did a better job balancing it than I feared, but not as good of a job as I hoped (if that makes sense)

[@Luis_AlbertoL_A]

I do not entirely agree with the result of the ranking for me it would be like this 1- Cliffside 2- Internecion Cube 3- Murder Drones Let's Split Out would put it out because without 2 animatics and not much can be said about it Cliffside seems to me to be Liam's Magnum opus, it has a perfect balance between comedy and terror, charismatic characters and a good script. Internection Cube, although it is very good, let's be honest, it feels incomplete, not only because it is animatics, but also because the story is a bit vague if you can understand what the plot is about, but there are many things that we don't know why or what, because why I-Con and Max are destroying the factories that is the cube is an android or is it a substance that was never made clear And Murder Drones, although it is good, has problems in the pilot, they have a terrible balance between horror and comedy, something that improves in ep2. In fact, ep2 seems to me to be the best for now in the series, but ep3, although it is good, feels rushed. Ultimately it's my opinion and I respect yours.

[@Tyromaniac]

I can respect that ranking honestly, only thing I'll say is that I personally like the animatic style

[@coolraptorgamer9969]

Internection cube is just supreme

[@krow1551]

I really really love Cliffside

[@tomatoblate2170]

Luckily ep 2 of Murder Drones definitely leaned more to the horror side, and the humour was a decent bit better than the pilot. The only thing is that the animation was noticeably less smooth, and the pacing felt slightly off

[@Tyromaniac]

I agree, the first five minutes were disorienting and a lot more of the jokes stuck, only thing is I'd say different is it was more dark than actual horror.

[@Neuro537]

Note: internecion cube is Liam's "practice" work

[@Tyromaniac]

Very true, forgot about that, doesn't mean he can't continue it though :)

[@Neuro537]

@@Tyromaniac i meant this guy is a cartoon master, imagine his next creations

[@Tyromaniac]

@@Neuro537 Oh, yeah, that too

[@killereyejohn1824]

i agree internecion cube is my favorite

[@plasmawolf7960]

Shocked I did not hear the word “wendussy” even once in this video 😂.

[@Tyromaniac]

tbf I didnt know what that was until a few months ago

[@m.l.9152]

I come from future and murder drones ep.2 was way more into horror so... yeah good show

[@Tyromaniac]

Thanks time traveler!

[@trustreceiver4676]

Great video, Liam makes great work but unfortunately they rarely get an ending which everyone from SSTWL knows.

[@Tyromaniac]

That's the second thing you learn about Liam Vickers after watching him, he doesn't finish stuff

[@syweb2]

@@Tyromaniac Unfortunate.

[@the.Eldritch.Broadcast.]

Litelarly mine top tier list

[@turn_ye]

w

[@johnelsanchezmontalvo4548]

My Internecine Cube

[@luongmaihunggia]

One criticism I have is the comedy. His jokes are okay but I have seen better jokes from other comedic writers.

[@Tyromaniac]

Absolutely, very few of his jokes got me to laugh out loud, but I also think that the comedy isn't empasized enough to have a huge impact good or bad

[@steamontheliquid4032]

we all miss killer robot waifu

[@Tyromaniac]

😔

[@zackplayz13]

4:57 killer robot wifu

[@zackplayz13]

3:37 murder ai wifu

[@zackplayz13]

2:22 spider girl wifu

[@sizzlesniper]

how do you get so many veiws

[@Tyromaniac]

Not really sure... I think it's a combination of good thumbnails and good use of hashtags. Although, I'd also ask this guy, kzbin.info/door/P6733OSjv9I-n9zckjg2TQ he gets more views than I do.

[@sizzlesniper]

dose making a good description help the video

[@Tyromaniac]

It can, if you throw in words that people are going to search for. So basically, good keywords.

[@sizzlesniper]

Ok thanks

[@sizzlesniper]

I made a long discripion for my next video normally I get around. 3-9 views so I'm going to see how many this one gets it posts at 3:15

[@manggalaregalia6041]

Murder Drones seson 2

[@Tyromaniac]

I can't escape, can I?

[@lamismohammed6639]

no no no no no no no murder drones for my is FIRST

[@Tyromaniac]

I will admit, it was a really close decision but one I standby nonetheless

[@RobinWalker-gk2pl]

I saw murder drones first and was obsessed for a long time, then I saw the other animations by liam vickers and became obsessed with those,

[@micahcarter9645]

its not murder drone its Disassembly Drone lol

[@Tyromaniac]

Potato potato

[@RobinWalker-gk2pl]

well...disassembly drone is only the official name, they are still commonly called murder drones by worker drones