Cliffside Could Have Been One of the Best Animated Series Ever

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[@aaronatkinson177]

I'm still disappointed that this never made passed towards being a full series it's got so much potential

[@ATTENTIONseekinggaming]

you expect a bunch of grown ass adults watching edgy kiddy shows

[@momsaccount4033]

I am still on hopium

[@somethinghappened8015]

​@@momsaccount4033 same😢

[@Sky_Master_of_the_Void]

liams last update was that he is still pitching it

[@somethinghappened8015]

@@Sky_Master_of_the_Void W

[@garebare940]

Hopefully if Glitch continues to work with Liam and possibly adapt to different animation styles like 2D, then maybe we'll see Cliffside and Internecion Cube as full shows.

[@SymmbolZS]

Internecion cube could possibly be both 2d and 3d and maybe could be the bridge for glitch studio to adapt the 2d style

[@SerialDesignationG3071]

This is what I'm hoping will happen.

[@VakovoSheggorri]

Gosh i miss intersection cube, i was so into that before i realized it probably was not going to be continuing.

[@Imtherealtinzel]

Petition for internecion cube part 4

[@Inkspeed]

With how well it's going God I hope so mannnnn

[@trustmeits610pm2]

It's interesting that you think Waylan is a coward and a goof, when nothing could be further from the truth from where I'm standing. Waylan is a villain protagonist. All that bragging he does about being a dastardly outlaw? He's telling the truth. There's lots of hints to this. Hear me out: His 'outlaw name' he makes up for himself is Two-bit Jerry. What a strange name. Being two-bit is an archaic slang to describe something that is inferior, cheap, worthless, or insignificant. Why would he deliberately insult himself? Because his goofy incompetent persona is just that. A fake out. A mask. He's a predator but he acts like prey. When Waylan fights the Shadow Monsters with Jo, he's helpless. He can't hit a single shot. Yet when he trains Cordy, he effortlessly drills the can set up for shooting practice on the first try. Was Cordy a natural gunslinger who learned from an incompetent person... or did Waylan actually give her good lessons because he's secretly a skilled marksman? What's more... did Cordy decide to rob a bank on her own... or did he subtly guide her towards that decision? By having it be all *her* idea, he has plausible deniability if the heist goes poorly. Jo's reaction to seeing Waylan says it all. She doesn't believe for even a moment that he's actually an outlaw and that this is for real. She thinks he's an idiot who is in over his head. Just as he planned? Waylan flat out *says* what his strategy for manipulating others is: Giving them validation. He does this to Jo, by letting her feel superior to him. He does this to Cordy, by feeding her desire to be more confident. He does this to Death ITSELF. They are all played by Waylan. All of them do exactly what he wants them to. At the end of the show, Jo mentions that the former sheriff was killed. How does Waylan respond to this information? With an evil smirk. Now, Waylan was playing with pinecones at the beginning of the episode. Who did the pinecones represent again? That's right. The sheriff... and Two-bit Jerry. It's not such a huge leap to assume Waylan killed the sheriff. He's a wolf disguised as a sheep.

[@ryanlozano9086]

You mean he’s the Chessmaster like the sidekick fan in tropico

[@ninjadejedi]

Nice Theory, Cliffside, imo has more sustain and character than the current Glitch where all the characters seem to be overlapping each others. I hope someone pick Cliffside up.

[@trustmeits610pm2]

@@ninjadejedi If Cliffside were to become a series, I think the main plot would deal with Waylan's secret nature and what exactly his ultimate goal is. He killed the sheriff, but why? He's also laying low and biding his time as the least important member of Jo's lawmen... but what is he waiting for? I don't think his resentment for being undervalued is entirely faked. It might even be at the root of his villainy and the fake goofy persona he has created. He obviously came to appreciate the advantages of being underestimated, even if he secretly wished others knew his worth. I can see him helping (seemingly by accident) deal with many lesser villains and problems in Cliffside, but eventually Waylan becomes the main antagonist in the series climax. Jo's arc would probably have a lot to do with the responsibilities she has as the primary protector of Cliffside. In the pilot, she gives Cordy a chance to surrender peacefully. When Cordy refuses, Jo has no problem killing her. This might seem callous for a 'hero' but honestly that's very in keeping with the whole Wild West motif. They were not soft on crime in that setting. I think much of Jo's role would be all the headaches that come with slimy old-timey lawyers, various criminals, supernatural threats, and dealing with all the annoying complaints/non-problems that the locals plague her with. She's also the character least likely to believe in Waylan's eventual heelturn, so much of the reaction and shock from that has to come from her. She's definitely a straight man. Just one with an unusually good poker face most of the time. Cordy shows a huge boost in confidence in the pilot, but there's no reason she couldn't relapse into self-doubt. Especially if her rose-colored image of Waylan is ever shattered. Which it most certainly will be. Probably many times and for different reasons. She has such a powerful optimism though I think she'll always bounce back and find a new reason to believe in him (and herself). Cordy's arc begins as her being Waylan's unlikely student/sidekick. She develops a strong determination to live up to the crazy over the top boasting of Waylan. I can imagine many subplots of her committing various escalating crimes with a 'reluctant' Waylan close behind. These attempts either fail spectacularly or the pair find themselves in competition with other outlaws. Either way, comedic/action shenanigans. It's definitely going to have to be Cordy that eventually defeats/stops Waylan.

[@closet7401]

@@trustmeits610pm2 That sounds very gooood dammit, I want to see this happen

[@capiron2316]

_Totally_ agree! Lemme add to your argument by quoting a couple of evidence points from my four-year-old comment on the original video: "...remember the clip at 1:42, where Waylon is playing with pinecone action figures? There was something off about this scene. The "Two-Bit Jerry" pinecone had Waylon's hat on, but get this: the pinecone playing the partner didn't have Jo's hat- suggesting that this is actually a different, former partner, and makes the story of the train possible- but that's not all! The next scene shows a derailed train, which means two things: one, that our possible undercover outlaw could be reenacting how the train crashed, and two, that *the train was within walking distance of the town that lost its sheriff.*" "At 10:30, if you read the newspaper, it mentions Waylon as 'Some random kid we've never heard of (which is weird because this town has, like, 20 people; must be a real nobody)...' Like they said, weird... almost as if it would take *effort* to lay low in a place like that. Or it could imply that he came into town recently. Maybe *on a train.*"

[@Emperor-Quill]

The "stretchy" animation I believe is called Tweening, where the character exists in layered pieces that are individually altered and stretched as needed. An example is whenever the camera does a dramatic zoom-in on Waylon, his hair starts blowing in the wind. Each tuft exists on it's own layer, and has it's own shape, lines, and shading. The base shape isn't redrawn for the next frame, instead it's bent and tilted to create the motion! It's like Puppeting, but more fluid, and as all animation goes, it's still on a frame by frame basis, so it still can take a long time!

[@soontobechannel743]

Yeah there’s a lot of tweening which makes it so bouncy and smooth that I really enjoyed! This show has a lot of potential and it’s sad it isn’t being worked on anymore, but tbh this was an indie project that was done by a guy and his friends so I wouldn’t expect as much from it considering they have a very small budget

[@multi_arm]

reminds me of spider man...

[@MeowNaur]

Bowser gif

[@triadwarfare]

Normally this style is used when people don't have either the animation skills or time to make a proper hand drawn animation, like in the case of Battlefield Friends/Doraleous and Associates or Happy Tree Friends or South Park. Manipulating things in flash like a puppet is way easier than having to draw individual frames like a cartoon artist. But his tweening animation is definitely a step above the rest. Since Flash no longer exists as something mainstream, I can see that people are no longer leaning into this kind of anination, and it's probably for the better.

[@Cerebrum123]

This is correct.

[@JumboJumper]

To be completely truthful, I'm uncertain about what to express regarding the pilot. Although I enjoyed certain aspects of its characters, theme, and soundtrack, I am not particularly fond of its humor as it did not resonate with me. However, what stood out the most to me was the primary villain, "Death". In my opinion, Death was not given enough recognition as a character in Cliffside. He has a very distinct and obvious appearance that is representative of his own name. It's quite scary to witness his ability to pull an endless amount of arms at will, coupled with the absence of any emotional expression on his face which only consists of a mouth. He gives off a sense that he's capable of far more than what he's currently displaying. Moreover, his silence adds to his ominous persona, as we are left without any insight into his character. It's impossible to know his thoughts or abilities, which aligns with the idea of "death" perfectly. We can never predict or anticipate what our fate will be like after all. I also like his worm shaped design due to how good it looks. He simply is a great character despite having very few scenes in the pilot. If Cliffside ever gets a full series, I would adore it if Death served as it's major nemesis for the entire series, not only in the pilot. I believe he could significantly enhance both the plot and the characters. But I doubt that we will even get a second episode anytime soon. Great video by the way! Keep it up!

[@RustedGreatBascinet]

Yes, especially considering the fact that he is a high position within the town legally, not just in physical power.

[@alvinchen9655]

@@RustedGreatBascinet Plus Two Bit Jerry is an outlaw with a history of shooting sheriffs.

[@mc_flre851]

i aint readin allat

[@_aWiseMan]

I also like how his mouth kinda looks like a hooded black cloak. Which makes it seem like his face is just covered in shadow. Its just a cool design to me

[@mayoplayingwumbologistmd4389]

​@@mc_flre851 thanks for telling the class you're illiterate

[@lukaspollard1048]

This man is about to lose his mind when he discovers scary story time with Liam

[@a-red_digit6644]

Ahaha.. haha.. haaaa...... Design, Black Dogs and C-2 Strain deserved to be animated

[@xtoftef]

A lot of stuff sprouted from Design. One could say Liam had had a character development

[@UnderTheRated]

@@a-red_digit6644 I only started watching sstwl this year and have only finished design, i do feel kinda sad c-2 strain never got narratred since its a really interesting concept, also I read the descriptions of the videos so if we get an in story explenation/drop for yellow hallogen later as a sort of twist, I have ruined it for myself And while I'm writing this i just remembered, I havent watched design killer au, or maybe that was black dogs?

[@a-red_digit6644]

@@UnderTheRated I Recommend Black Dogs as it is SOOOO GOOD, plus dont read into comments n stuff cuz itll spoil alotta stuff

[@UnderTheRated]

@@a-red_digit6644 It's next on my list, and for the comments, I learnt my lesson from watching Design

[@AndrewLeeLeeAndrew]

EXACTLY! THE FIRST TIME I DISCOVERED LIAM VICKERS ANIMATIONS WAS FROM CLIFFSIDE! The first time I watched it, I was mindblown away by how it looked and sounded. I was hoping they would make a part 2 but they didn't, months past and they released the Murder Drones trailer and then Pilot. That's when I discovered GLITCH. I was sad they didn't make an episode 2 of the series Cliffside.

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

Same

[@UnderTheRated]

I found murder drones first and then after i was looking for stuff on youtube i discovered some pilots for shows and one by liam vickers came up (cliffside), after i watched it i was amazed and after looking at the channel i realized he also made murder drones, then i watched internecion cube and when i was watching a video on its lore by Tyromaniac i belive his name was one of his videos on all the works by sstwl came up and iwas mind blown at wich point i started watching design

[@maulmemes]

Really? I found out about GLITCH from SMG4. Come to think of it, that's probably why the channel never sticks for me.

[@cameronsmith3047]

I've learned never to get my hopes up with his shit He gets board to easily and abandons a ton of projects all the time

[@kenny_eats_many]

​@@maulmemes I'm seeing a pattern here, anyone that came from SMG4 doesn't like glitch while anyone that came from liam Vickers likes glitch

[@dylancavill1921]

The reason why this is "stretchy" is because it's made by just Liam who is a storyboard artist, not an animator so he was leaning on his strengths.

[@Inksanity]

To add to this, the animation method that would cause this effect is called puppet animation, which is a bit "easier" to produce than frame-by-frame, but will almost always look floaty or stiff when it's relied on too much

[@aikordcz4424]

What I love the most about Cliffside is the worldbuilding. I mean, just the idea of wild west merged with monsters is awesome. I've seen concepts Liam made for other creatures and they all looked great and made me want to see more and more

[@guutn7973]

The show had much potential, Liam just did not have the money nor the patience to continue as almost everything in the first episode was done by him and his friends and perhaps family. As you said it took over a year for him to make a considerably short episode. I am glad Glitch contacted Liam, i love both of them and im pretty sure they are gonna keep producing awesome shows together. I really wanted this to continue though.

[@Oceane1803]

Considering characters like Cordie, the Murder Drones, and Uzi and Doll, I feel like Liam Vickers likes the idea of human eating creatures (well the Murder Drones, Uzi and Doll don't eat humans, but they're clearly referencing Vampires, which do). I had a Vampire phase while I was around 14 to 16 years old, and Liam Vickers' shows reawaken these feelings in me that I didn't know were even still there after all this time. But I grew up so that means I won't go back to that cringey phase. It still brings back a few good memories from that time though.

[@UnderTheRated]

He also likes dangerous psychotatic (and sociopathic in some cases) women

[@puffincz3482]

@@UnderTheRated well don't we all? but better keep em behind a screen

[@jme7046]

You're forgetting Kirie and I.C.-0n

[@Speed001]

"We are cringe, but we are free." Embrace your harmless cringe.

[@Oceane1803]

@@Speed001 You're right, but I was really immature back then. So as I said, I still enjoy the stuff I liked during that phase, but I'm not so immature anymore, so it's not really cringe anymore. It's like Liam Vickers. He enjoys it too but he's not cringe at all, well except I sadly can't make my own animated series like him. I wish I could but that ain't happening anytime soon.

[@Outshinedsg]

It isn't as if the opportunity has been entirely lost. Liam *has* been given the opportunity to be a director on a show with a real budget and talented staff backing him. So far, Murder Drones was been super fun, and it's showing a lot of potential. It's on the right track and should be great if the first season concludes well. Many of the same themes present in Cliffside are now being explored in Murder Drones. We have a similar tone of dark humor, murderous monster girls, awkward romance with said monster girls, and there are a lot of himbo parallels between N and Waylons characterization. In a manner of speaking, Liam has been trying to tell the same general story for the last several years, and is now finally in position to execute on that idea. Looking forward to how the rest of Murder Drones plays out.

[@Sorta8]

"Several years" I'd argue that it's almost a decade.

[@Cubicflow]

The difference between CS and MD is that everything CS does right, MD does it wrong, and believe me, I'd like to love MD, as the visuals as juat as incredible, but the story just isnt doing it to me

[@zGabaz]

I just checked MD and sincerely, I hated the whole plot. Which is a shame. I really wanted to like it

[@SymmbolZS]

lets hope that a random millionaire stumbles upon Cliffside and craves more of it, to basically sponsor Liam for more episodes

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

I love the little details, like Cortie's eyes are actually comprised of four individual eyes each. You can see this when she blinks sometimes and it's how she "split" her pupils to track more enemies later in the episode.

[@VeraVemaVena]

Honestly I think Cordie is the best out of Liam's little "psychotic woman who wants to eat people" trope. At the moment, V is a pretty flat character. She's either treating her genocide job as a playground game or is being moody about stuff that only she knows. I'm sure she'll get fleshed out as Murder Drones progresses but right now it's just not enough. And Di from another LV "animation" doesn't even have a minute of screentime, so there wasn't really a chance to give her a proper personality. IC-0n is a close contender, but I find Cordie to be more entertaining. It's pretty funny how they're kinda the opposite of each other. IC-0n has a God complex and views the MC as nothing more but a plaything, while Cordie isn't very confident in herself and views the MC as the perfect being.

[@UnderTheRated]

There are also some comparisons you could probably make with characters from scary story time with liam, but as I've only watched design as of writing I can only make comparisons between sociopathic characters

[@darkonyx6995]

Cordie has the personality of a dog and IC-0n has the mindset of a cat.

[@phoebe5]

I think comparing cordie to N Is more apt as far as murderdrones is concerned. V Is too antagonistic despite her complacency. Unfortunately I feel like in each of liams shows he has some strong aspects but also quite a few flat notes. In cliffside that was absolutely the human characters. Between cordie and death the monsters overshadowed them by a long shot and it just made me wish the humans weren't there so I could see more monster.

[@Sorta8]

​​@@phoebe5 the episode was 10 minutes long and was establishing main characters in a bit of a time struggle. So it was inevitable for the characters to not get quite enough time and for the local-scary-wildlife stuff to be less present.

Listen, I love Cordie, don't get me wrong, but don't forget to put some respect on my girl Kali, or Haze too

[@testhekid]

i like how literally everyone before murder drones kept wanting for a continuation of cliffside, we may never see how really ambitious this project is for liam but i hope that he knows just how much WE love his creative vision in his recent projects

[@peopleperson9336]

As much as I desperately would love to see more Cliffside, its been long enough where the animation would look significantly different. Also, bless her heart but the internet would NOT have been kind to that sweet spider girl if the show gained any more traction.

[@V972]

if you mean what I think you mean then it's already been done them's the rules of the internet

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

r34 already has its grip on her and im here for it! (its still not enough!)

[@MarineSelena]

It was r34? I thought you were meaning that Twitter would start doxxing and cancelling her and the creator because of her being toxic and abusive or some shit, starting a cringe fandom with people defending pixels and others just trying to watch the show, darn lol

[@V972]

@@MarineSelena all those (including r34) aren't mutually exclusive.

[@mdbgamer556]

Truly

[@RazorToaster]

Cliffside and Interconnection cube are both extremely interesting cartoons and I really wish continued.

[@TitanSlayer2007]

Minor spelling mistake but that's ok

[@RazorToaster]

@@TitanSlayer2007 and a grammar mistake, I noticed. I just didn't feel like editing.

[@Flugel_Pendragon]

i just can't get over how much he looks like Marco diaz

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

LOL I didn't noticed that until now

[@adamshafeeq8685]

Most of LV's male leads look like Marco lol

[@jblockman_59nunyabidnis68]

* Random cowpoke walks into cliffside * "It is hot as hell in this hot ass fuckin town my guy, IS THAT THE GRIM REAPER?!"

[@catbatrat1760]

When you were describing what it was about, that's when I realized that the main characters arguably do have similarities to those of Murder Drones, mainly with Courtney and N. They're both monsters that are first shown to be terrifying abominations and can return to that at any time but are generally silly.

[@axios4702]

I admire Liam but speaking as someone that found his creepy pasta channel before he started the animation one, his biggest problem is he doesnt finish his stories and beyond any other problem I believe that´s what killed Cliffside. You can justify some, mostly the animation related stories like cliff side with the time sink and budget issues or Internicion cube being shelved so he could go make Murder Drones. If it was just that I wouldn´t have noticed. But Design, Yellow Hallogen, Puppet Game... So many great stories that just never ended, I started sensing a pattern. I completely understand why this happens as someone that enjoys writing, one thing is getting inspired for a story and plotting it, a very different is going through with it from beggining to end. But its still a shame when you look at his short stories and the few he actually completed like Black Dogs (my personal favourite) and see how awesome they are. Thats why I´m glad he is now working profesionally on this stuff, a little bit of supervision and responsibility is the push he needed to fix that issue.

[@seanmoran6683]

Bro he was literally in high school and starting college when he made all that what do you expect 😅

[@nellowz5451]

Just wanted to say: I respect the living hecc out of people who are good at multiple things and combine those skills into one big outcome. Kudos to you, to Liam Vickers. You are a legend

[@dappermolerat6108]

The spider lady from the pilot was pretty hot tho

[@oi-cj1pz]

im ashamed to give you my like

[@Halfway-Stupid]

Of course a guy with a Manny Pardo pfp says that...

[@humanintelegence4695]

fr

[@Gaming.Gamer.]

Agree

[@javierfraire8741]

Cordie is definitely best girl

[@funeralruiner]

Cliffside really needs to become a full series. Reminds me of 2 ants 1 president with how it got like 10 minutes onscreen and died, but had a lot of potential. I feel like Cliffside has a lot more, but still.

[@savagepatty]

I absolutely loved cliffside and have hoped this would be made into a full series for years

[@niconotoneshot]

now dont get me wrong, cliffside was great, but if Internecion Cube got continued, that would have been objectively the best series on youtube

[@TheeOK1]

Lol, why not both? I personally liked Courtney and want more of her, I find Cliffside to have the most rounded out characters out of all Liam Vickers shows. I miss all of his shows especially internecion cube. Mostly cause of the weeb memes.

[@ethanunson404]

this man gets it

[@noahsherlock2685]

To be honest, everything Liam does is a work of art lol.

[@supertank0751]

If liams other works like puppet game or Design were finished, they could have been some of the best storys on the platform

[@jilliancrawford7577]

The animation style is definitely a flash-style tweening via rigging pieces like My Little Pony. It can be a tricky animation method to pull off because the art of it is making said style not obvious. The show had so much potential in making sure Cordy didn't find out he made everything up. I could see tension rising from this alone in the longer it takes for her to find out the truth, the more upset she would get, but eve telling her the truth asap like in the pilot was too urgent of a situation and her reaction would have still been a threat. It creates a cycle of having to keep the lie going along side Joe never having told a lie and probably won't start now. That's the direction I pictured the series to go at least and I would've loved to see that happen. I'm glad Cordy's essence was reborn in N and V at least, but I would still love to see this series picked up again some day.

[@samiamtheman7379]

You can definitely tell the things in this old pilot that ended up making it into Murder Drones.

[@GamingwolfZJ]

When I first saw the pilot for Cliffside, I was so jazzed to see where it was gonna go and what was gonna happen. Heck, I didn’t even know it was canceled until I saw this episode. While it does definitely suck that Cliffside ended before it was ever really given an opportunity to begin, I think all of us would definitely make sure it can see said beginning if given the opportunity

[@trolley3051]

Cliffside in a nutshell is basically a liar uses rizz on spider monster to make her join the team

[@LaChroniqueEdgy1816]

Haven't seen murder drones but I've seen cliffside years ago, and i WISH it became a full show! We need more fantasy westerns

[@robo1540]

dude i remember watching this dude when i was a kid and he was making design, im really glad hes moving up in the world and actually directing his own series now (he should totally finish design tho cmon dude)

[@b3n9y74]

I really enjoyed this pilot when I discovered it, it always disappointed me that it didn’t get much attention. I found Cordie really endearing and I really hope a web comic or something comes out someday

[@Mc.Scrumpy]

I've seen a trend when it comes to people who don't have a network that makes Animations Always have. A character who smiles nonstop and is crazy. Every. Single. One.

[@ShadowWolfRising]

6:17 Apparently Spiders poke the eye of another they wish to mate with. Dunno if that's true, but that was quite uh.....a thing she just did if accurate.

[@TheLoneBit]

Cliffside would have been on par with Hazbin Hotel and Hellva Boss. I also loved Liam's stories. They had interesting world building. Puppet Game was a pretty awesome story. I want more of that too.

[@jakehildebrand1824]

Liam Vickers definitely has one of the most important and significant art styles of this erra of online animation.

[@Pablo-nl5oq]

When watching Murder Drones I just knew that some things were weirdly familiar

[@GusRokk]

Cliffside opened a lot of animators eyes back then. A single youtube animation could surpass official shows in quality.

[@lugbzurg8987]

I loved seeing this years ago. I couldn't fathom why it didn't get picked up. It interests me far more than Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss.

[@DreamlandRoses]

Some of the Cliffside characters actually reminded me of Marco Diaz- SVTFOE and Honest Jo reminds me of Raven from the Teen Titans Series

[@I_am_ENSanity]

It makes me sad knowing how long it's been since I first saw Cliffside.

[@beautifulmanstan8840]

Ah, Mr. Moth, you never fail to confuse me

[@vanitymoth]

Oh? How so?

[@beautifulmanstan8840]

@Vanitymoth I don't know man, it feels like your opinions come completely out-of-left-field. It's kind of funny.

[@ToreZano]

Gosh, Liam has so much potential with his writing

[@devanrana8544]

Liam's style is quite peculiar. Its either Hit or Miss for unsuspecting audiance.

[@Felix.Fictus]

btw he also made a short pilot about a mad scientist boy who steals a murderous AI girl from a government facility (think SCP Foundation) and the pilot shows him running from black vans/helicopters and the AI girl has alot of "Murder Drone" qualities. you can see how alot of the idea from THAT pilot got carried over into the Murder Drones series just with the rolls swapped around so that the anti-social AI girl is now the MC and the goofy/nervous scientist boy is now HIMSELF a Murder Drone in the form of the MC's sidekick. i think the boy is even voiced by the same person as the MC of Cliffside (which might just be the creator of these shows because the main guy in each is consistently given this voice). ive been following this creator sense BEFORE he was doing animations all the way back when he was just writing creepy pasta style fiction and then reading it on a now abandoned youtube channel. (still upset i never got to hear the end of his last story! it wasnt terribly well written but cliff hanger endings SUCK!!)

[@Kasunex]

I think the animation style is called vector animation. Wakfu does it a lot but it doesn't look as stretchy, as the characters consist of multiple pieces that make up their body and each piece has to be redrawn for many shots or if it would change too much to be noticeable. I like that kind of animation, but it's hard to pull off right I think.

[@SlimyTheNekoslime]

Come on SMG4! Give this man's dream a reality!

[@RyannEpic]

Your pretty well spoken, I look forward to more videos from you.

[@badending2196]

This pilot unironically have changed my life

[@gobihoukou1]

I watched this around the time it came out... still wish there was more.

[@enderskore8056]

I liked Cliffside but I would really like to see a video about Liam's other series Internecion Cube

[@vulpesignis2201]

God I miss cliffside, it is always such a nostalgia hit when I remember that it exists

[@TheKnifeRaven]

This needs to return. Just like Internecion Cube.

[@Kymerahx]

I dont know why, but this made me realise ive been a long time fan of Laims original work. I used to adore his older granted not as polished, writings and music. to the point where his stuff like design has influenced some of my own creative projects.

[@wander7812]

5:43 There can be good writing in characters not developing, Luffy for example stayed the same or very similar at least through the entire series, but One Piece is one of them most well sold fictions out there. I could even use something like the old Looney Tunes as a example of what I mean too, because Good Writing means, just, a story being entertaining and enjoyable. There's a lot of simple stories that are good, as well as overly complicated stories that are bad, and I feel like they don't get the credit they deserve most of the time.

[@thelegend8570]

I always loved the look of Death in Cliffside, it's just such an awesome character design.

[@thelifiathelifia9512]

we need more cliffside

[@wombat9793]

Liam has nearly a dozen stories that could've gone as big as murder drones

[@ViewerOnline101]

I want a full series of this SO much.

[@Gray963]

I'm really glad you talked about this! I've been trying to talk about Cliffside and show it to people when I couldn't even remember it's name. I was afraid this awesome project had been truly forgotten and lost to history.

Damn it's been years since I watched Cliffside I never realized how awkward the animation looked, guess teenage me was too enamored by Cordie to harshly judge the animation, but tbf Liam was still somewhat a newbie to making fully animated segments and scenes rather than a simple loop, and damn he's improved a lot since then I feel. Cliffside had so much potential but tbh in retrospect didn't have that much going for it at the moment besides the classic Liam Vickers charm and the paranormal western aesthetic. I'm extremely glad Liam's got the chance to make stuff like Murder Drones though, which I really like but feel like it's sometimes too teen or tropey (tbh the show is fine I just don't like the type of fandom it attracts), but I guess Liam's stories were always that way. I wonder if Liam'll ever decide to readapt one of his older stories with Glitch, or if he'll just leave them behind permanently, a cg animated Design reboot would go crazy, maybe a Black Dogs miniseries even. I don't think any of that (or cliffside even) will ever happen, even though Liam is assumedly a much more mature person now with a full on show at Glitch, he has a history of abandoning projects or leaving them unfinished. Side-note: Ignore this or take this as constructive criticism, but I think the segment recapping Cliffside was a bit long considering the lenght of the video. Just a nitpick.

[@SmartToaster4K]

I’m hoping another studio takes it up (he’s been busy with Murder Drones, but us rates he’s been pitching it to studios for production since he said it would be a very large undertaking on his own). Maybe with the partnership with Glitch after they do the Amazing Digital Circus?

[@thedude7894]

I wish it ended up as a full series till this day cause it was one of my favorite pilots ever.

[@user-yv8uy3wb7j]

Yeah same

[@gljames24]

Cliffside and Sheriff Hayseed are two independent western cartoons that I love.

[@user-tc4kl7sw9p]

I can't escape Murder Drones , I finally managed to get myself to click a video that wasn't about Murder Drones and it begun with Murder Drones

[@VILovestein]

I noticed that the camera never stops moving, its always bobbing around like most movies today where no one has heard of a tripod. Kinda like Strawinsky and the Mysterious House, that camera too never stops moving.

[@lukebisping1417]

Why is half the comment section talking about this like it's an April Fool's video?

[@HazelVsTheWrld]

I'm so sad that Cliff Side never got picked up😭

[@lexyshannon9428]

AAHHH I've been WAITING for this series to gain more recognition!

[@themotions5967]

I still think cliffside has a lot of potential to do very well as a mainline cartoon. It appeals to a audience that needs to be catered to which is the viewers that are no longer watching animation geared towards solely young audiences but are not mature enough to tackle truly adult themes Shows like this have a record of doing very well when they get ability to do so. Even though it missed its window a bit, I still say that the audiences it would appeal to need the extra content. Maybe down the line someone will contact Liam from a larger animation group and offer to buy the idea and his consultation on the project so it can get in the hands of a full animation teen and we can see a mainline series come out of it

[@churchofeg]

I got the impression that Wayland is the one who killed the sheriff from the smirk

[@VeneficusCubes]

Using Liam's music as a background - Respect

[@a-red_digit6644]

Wait till this man hears about the GT and the Upaid:REDACTIONS Pilot

[@onekingdom1955]

Puppet game was a true liam gem

[@theeye8964]

A shame so many people don't know about his older works Although I think Liam kinda prefers it this way

[@enxman7697]

Man, at least one time a year I'm back to rewatch Cliffside. We finally got Hazbin, can't we have this one too?

[@THExRISER]

I remember bookmarking it hoping to watch it when it gets more episodes, shame.

[@KevInfamousYT]

I would loveeeee for either Cliffside or Internecion Cube to be picked up, especially Cube.

[@hkayakh]

Man I loved watching cliff side all those years ago. It was one of the best animations I’ve seen.

[@amethyst_dawn]

I don't care if it's a book series or whatever, I need more Cordie stories. ... and the rest of the cast, too.

[@TheNoobKing767]

This was a really cool video, you should consider making a video essay on Internacion cube because I think that also has a lot of potential.

[@Luis_AlbertoL_A]

Oh my dear Cliffside without a doubt one of my favorite webseries and I'm glad to see that someone talks about the series these days I still have hope that one day it will return to the series it was a phenomenal series

[@black_hole2225]

i miss cliffside its so good :(

[@humanintelegence4695]

OMG I'VE BEEN THINKING ABT THIS PILOT FOR SO LONG BUT I FORGOT WHAT THE NAME WAS! i was starting to think i dreamt it 💀

[@lagspotted2747]

I remember watching the pilot a while ago and thinking: "you know what, I'm just gonna wait a year and get to watch like half the series all at once". So much for that.... It had so much potential. But even so, I am happy with how the pilot turned out and the seeds this individual video planted for future animated films.

[@chickennugget3111]

I like Cliffside waaay more than murder drones tbh. Really wish this had more development

[@Benjamin-mj9pd]

I saw this way before Hazbin and loved it. It was a comfort watch for a long time.

[@CrimsonXYR]

Yeah, Cliffside is like that one pilot the summoning that never got green light but just pilot but the creator, I think did say there might be a series of the summoning, but it’s been so long people have given up hope and I kind of think that’s what’s going to happen to Cliffside

[@MGDrzyzga]

Oh man, I would love to see Cliffside picked up. Heck, if I win the lottery, I guess I could just bankroll it myself.

[@nullius_ov]

I really liked Cliffside. Very funny!

[@cyberpunk-2O77]

Despite really enjoying robotics and such, I prefer the concept of cliffside. It had much more potential

[@gendygoblin8391]

They are using puppet animation with some shape tweening. It basically cuts a character into sections so they aren’t having to draw every frame. And those sections are then moved to the primary points of action on your timeline and then computer mapping basically maps where the transition is. Think of it like Google maps, you have point A and B which are your key frames with the line in the middle being your action line or tween. The stops you make are basically the in between frames that are points the computer sets but you can adjust to make the motion look a certain way.

[@pouncelygrin6699]

some day we'll get a series out of this, I can feel it

[@darth_dan8886]

For me, Cliffside just works as a standalone. There's many great short films with amazing potential had they been done as a full series... But they're still great in and of themselves.

[@a_random_W]

holly shit something just came to my mind, *WILD WEST CHAINSAW MAN*

[@kanealterius6631]

i have no intention watching this. but i came to drop a like and a comment because "you right"

[@seasoul3810]

Liam Vickers is a legend. I remember when I first watched Cliffside. I instantly wanted more. It was the type of show that normal media won't green light, despite the fact that it is better than anything they will ever produce. After I found Liam Vickers and GLITCH, I went down a research journey and rabbit hole of Indie Animation/Web series. It has become my favorite thing and I love these shows, pilots, movies, and shorts more than the shows that we get from anywhere else. These are the shows I was longing for throughout all the time I've spent watching television. The feeling of wonder and awe they give is like no other.

[@wannekosclone9174]

If i ever win a lottery im throwing money at Liam to make cliffside

[@sharpe34]

Was scrolling and saw your video, my wife walks in and screams at me "Montages are dangerous!" This so should have been more than just a pilot.