Ranking Star Wars: The Old Republic's Player Ships from Worst to Best

[@Spacedock]

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[@26th_Primarch]

Fun Fact: the bounty hunter ship is the only player ship in the game where the player can die aboard it because of fall damage.

[@larslaufer301]

The Agents ship is in fact a Yacht that has been modified to be used by the Agent. Agent story. Love it and yes I am one of those people that liked the perspective. Also never let a chance slip in insult or otherwise anger a Sith Lord while beeing tactfull with everyone else. I mean come on, Sith love to be angry all the time. I just try to make them happy ^_^

[@oplik0]

It's not - it actually is a custom vessel commissioned by the Imperial Intelligence in very low numbers. The lore pitches it as basically the most advanced ship in Sith Empire fleet, with powerful sensor suite, "next-generation" navigation systems, stealth plating (and even a limited cloaking device), and even engines and weapons far more powerful than one would expect (I think TOR Encyclopedia said they had a third of the energy requirements of equivalent weapons). At the point where they'd be replacing basically all components with prototypes, designing a yacht from the ground up to incorporate all of this was probably just easier.

[@Valavaern]

The Agent storyline is all about learning the biggest threat to the Sith Empire is all of the Sith running around in it. And I love it.

[@larslaufer301]

@@oplik0 I thought it was said at some point that it was originaly a yacht design that was then taken over by Intel and only after that produced by them exclusively. Thought that would make sense if you have stock yachts flying around, owned by private persons and mix your Intel ships in between. That way they would be even less suspicious.

[@larslaufer301]

@@Valavaern Frankly, the Empire of SWTOR, seams much more competent and actualy something that could work rather then the Republic. Everything stopping them is the Sith. Most of them are powerhungry lunatics, also there are some in between that seam rather "calm" for Sith at least.

[@LarixusSnydes]

I think the Agent ship looks remarkably like a ship out of the Elite universe.

[@silvershades6689]

I really love the Old Republic era of Star Wars, everything about it was just perfectly framed as "The Star Wars you know, but older." The Walkers are less refined and almost experimental looking (the huge sith tripod looking thing springs to mind). The droids are bulkier and don't quite move as fluidly, the blasters look more complicated like by the time of the Clone Wars they'd effectively streamlined the exact same tech to make it maybe a few centimetres smaller. And I love the variation in ship design, I personally am pretty bored of everything looking like a Star Destroyer, a Millennium Falcon or a Mon Cal Cruiser. I really like the Old Republic Hammer-Head aesthetic, the Valour is... interesting if not good and the SIth have those cool looking escort destroyers. Don't get me wrong the angry-grey-space-dorito is an iconic look, that the Harrower just perfects, but I do appreciate the variety of SWTOR... DISNEY.

[@Silungar]

Couldn't have put it better myself! I particularly like how those four legged walker from the republic look more like beasts of burden rather than the (equally awesome) tanks on legs of the clone wars era

[@DevilSurvivor69]

Here's the thing, most people just want Ties, X-wing, and Star Destroyer in their Star Wars, unfortunately, and Disney knows this and that's what we get. I appreciate you not being like that and here is to hoping we get more variety.

[@DimaJeydar]

I would probably agree with you if that was technology from a few hundred years prior to the movies and not 3000.

[@techzone1552]

@@DimaJeydar True that, stagnation is a big thing in SW and it's unfortunate. But, at the same time, think of it this way: how much have swords changed in the past few thousand years? Different metals and forging techniques, but largely looking the same, right? A pointy blade on a hilt. I think it's the same with SW designs. An ISD would outmatch any Old Republic ships because their shields and armor and weapons and overall systems are just way more refined, but the ship itself follows the same basic design. But it's obviously also just cause star destroyers are iconic lol, can't be Star Wars without that design in the minds of the writers ig

[@sonwig5186]

I think it looks different enough. All the ships in this video look a lot like ships from the Galactic Empire when thats, what, 1000 years in the future! I get its cool to have a tie fighter inspires ship but the tie fighter wasn't invented yet. Same with that one star destroyer looking like the imperial star destroyer and I think worst of all are the old republic troopers. Make things look different!

[@shinyagumon7015]

7:45 Not just in Star Wars, Daniel! Remember Rolls Royce, best known for making luxury cars, also make jet engines.

[@stevenscott2136]

Glock, famous for their iconic guns, is another. The Glock 17 pistol is called that because Gaston Glock patented 16 plastic products before whimsically going after the Austrian army pistol contract. The Glock 1 was a shower-curtain ring.

[@UGNAvalon]

@Steven Scott “Ah yes, young appliance, the Glock family has a proud tradition of serving the domestic realm of humanity! From our forefather, the shower curtain ring, to the ever-needed bowel medicine…” “What about great-uncle pistol?” “NO! We must Never speak of him! He is a Disgrace to our lineage!” “But he seems pretty rich & famou-“ “I SAID NO!”

[@garygcrook]

Not just them, Supermarine was a company mainly known for building Seaplanes, especially racing seaplanes, and a few military seaplanes. Then in 1934 they designed the type 300 fighter, which was later called Spitfire, and the rest is history.

[@JenomKolemjdouci]

or Yamaha motorbikes and pianos

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@JenomKolemjdouci In the lead-up and during WW2, a lot of companies that weren't started to make war machines ended up doing so. Car makers making tanks, making airplane engines, machine shops making firearms...

[@marcosbravo9645]

"Following the lives of the people who keep this empire running in spite of the fact its run by magic lunatics" -Daniel

[@jenesuispasbavard]

This game has some of the best "single-player" campaigns in the Star Wars universe, and there's eight stories! Highly recommend now that the game's free to play (has been for a while).

[@minicle426]

Shame they drop that with the expansions.

[@TheSuperhomosapien]

My first character right after TOR launched was the Trooper, and I remember when General Garza gave me the Thunderclap. I called it The Clap for short, and I ran around everywhere telling everyone how excited I was that General Garza gave me The Clap.

[@evandenis5488]

I don't see Palpatine as a pretender for copying the Sith Empire's designs - more like a fanboy.

[@nathanahedgehog2871]

Don’t fix what wasn’t broke

[@90skidcultist]

I mean, he is a fellow Sith.🧐

[@Psub950]

​​@@90skidcultistreally the sith died when the sith empire lost the war the brotherhood of darkness were just a bunch of dark jedi playing at being sith and all 'sith' factions after aren't true sith either but that's just my opinion

[@90skidcultist]

@@Psub950 🤡

[@WickedPrince3D]

The Fan-Boy who outdid his Idols? ;)

[@ShyRaven2161]

On the matter of the Quasar Fire that you mentioned. It reminds me of how German shipbuilders that once built battleships now build yachts and cruise ships. There are also many other examples in history of companies switching back and forth between making civilian and military equipment. So definitely a believable transition.

[@samgaines9278]

One real world examples, the Americans PBR's used in Vietnam where impeller driven, the water pumps were built by jacuzzi

[@benjaminlin2068]

The humble USPS mail truck is built by Grumman, the same Grumman that built F6F Hellcats and F14 Tomcats.

[@DevilSurvivor69]

You realize the German Navy still uses German warships till this day, right? Not battleships because those don't exist anymore, but destroyers and frigates.

[@ShyRaven2161]

@@DevilSurvivor69 Frigattes and Corvettes rather.

[@DIEGhostfish]

He's also very wrong about Sorosuub. Espescially in Legends they made everything. They WERE the economy and basically the government of Sullust (And probably its moon Sulon but that was mostly farming.)

[@Only1199]

For me it's always been between the Phantom and Fury, if I could combine two ships it would be those two

[@tTaseric]

The Fury is probably the most "Imperial" ship in all of Star Wars. If the interior was just a bit less claustrophobic then it'd be my favourite ship in the franchise. That moment in Knights of the Fallen Empire where our player ship finally gets hauled back to Odessen just had me grinning like an idiot

[@enoughothis]

I like the Bounty Hunter ship. It looks like a rusty pick-up truck, I love the sheer character of it, plus the captain's bunk is just up from the main holo-projector so movie night with Mako is easy. I hate the Trooper ship. It's totally wrong for a military dropship. The folding wings would be a liability in the hot landing zone.

[@DrakeAurum]

As with the smuggler ship, I like that it's not something that's just issued to you. You actually go out and steal it.

[@swordsman1ke511]

I hate the look of the Bounty Hunter ship yet I agree that it's very appropriate for the Bounty Hunter lifestyle. Edit: Looking at it again, the only thing I don't like are its three prong engines

[@MehrumesDagon]

@@DrakeAurum well smuggler ship you own at the beginning of the game, but it gets stolen from you, which is I think only class that technically owns one from the beginning.

[@GaldirEonai]

I love that from the right angle the BH ship flips you the bird while landed.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

I have a generalized grip with Star Wars' fetish of variable geometry and off-bore thrust lines. By off-bore thrust lines, I will say a TOP example would be SWtOR's Republic flagships. The main part of it is like a bivalve (clam) that has a tower of engines stuck to the bottom. By rights, the thing should ONLY be able to fly a tight loop, getting nowhere. It is like having your motorboat's engine on a ten foot pole stuck out of the side of the hull. Nothing but circles.

[@stevenscott2136]

I got into that last month as a bounty hunter -- I'll definitely try the agent next. Every time I got on the Mantis ship, I started thinking like Bob Vila: "Weld crossbeams across there, lay down some decking, we can get a five-story condo stack in this cargo bay."

[@benthomson1132]

The Defender-class for the Jedi is one of my all-time favorite Star Wars ships! I feel if it could be scaled more appropriately (as opposed to the massive room/door sizes typical of an MMO) it would be the only ship I'd ever want or need in the Star Wars universe. Edit: lol, just finished watching the video and saw where you placed it. Oh well.

[@Snuggs86]

Me, an Empire only player: "WOOOOOOOO! LET'S GOOOOO! GET HECKED PUBS!"

[@joelbaker2551]

it's ok, I feel the exact same way you do about the defender XD

[@TheYdyp]

Yeah in my list the bounty hunter ships end drop last bar none, and the Defender-class would bein the top 3, though I would agree though with the top 2 in vid. And I like the bounty hunter ship design the least, followed by the trooper. Those ships were even the reason I had stopped progressing their story in the first place and only went back to those to just complete them.

[@cass7448]

It would be nice to see a reimagining of all these ships at a more realistic scale.

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@TheYdyp Bounty hunter ship can be improved with symmetry on the outside but the inside is really blah.

[@MWBalls]

I've been saying for years that if they had just put the class stories into a multi campaign single player game with all the mediocre mmo stuff cut out it would have been one of the greatest games of all time. Its a tragedy that a lot of people will never see those stories because of the mmo element deterring them.

[@reganator5000]

yeah, even if it'd have been a relatively similar RPG control wise, it would also have massively benefited from not needing to scale the assets up so much for MMO proportions (the 'all rooms are built for 50 foot tall giants' problem), which gave them massive disparity between the visuals of different worlds- Tattoine I remember looking quite nice, in a 'slightly stylised' way, but anywhere featuring a lot of 'enclosed' areas just had a scale that flat out didn't work.

[@spencers4121]

I think they wanted to cash in on that WoW cash pig, all the mmo's back then wanted a piece of the pie. That being said I did play it for a couple of years, and had a blast. Sadly the story "choices" never amounted to making a difference, something that could have been different in a single player game. But the game is free to play, and worth doing the story if you're a big KoToR fan.

[@akale2620]

Yes lol. Didn't play bcz of mmo. I actually watched the cutscene movies of these all 8 campaign instead

[@_Woody_]

Is it true then that you get so much XP, you can ignore the MMO aspects? Really love Star Wars, Old Republic is my favourite era but I hated it for beeing an MMO.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

@@_Woody_ I have not played in a long time, but from the get go the game was built around the single player stories and added MMO elements so you could play the campaigns without needing to do any of the MMO stuff. When I was regularly playing I got 2 classes to max level without doing any MMO flashpoints. With that said the flashpoints are leveled based on level requirements for the world you're on so once you're a certain level ahead you could go back and solo most flashpoints.

[@rc59191]

Trooper story is by far my favorite one. The missions and story are the most relatable and a lot of the missions are things we do in today's world.

[@EvanMe]

The Agent's storyline works so well on every single level. They have some of the most interesting companions (there's a reason the Agent's companions have such a prominent role in the Eternal Empire storyline), the quests in the main class storyline take some of the most intricate twists and turns in any game period, and of all the class storylines it feels the least like a straight rehash of other Star Wars stories we've seen before while still firmly feeling like it belongs in that universe. Also, the Male Agent's voice actor has probably the coolest voice of anyone I've ever heard in my life

[@MandalorV7]

It also has the most interesting light side ending. Becoming a double agent for the Republic was a cool idea. Wish we could have had that fleshed out more. Could have been a nice single player game.

[@boxhead6177]

One of the reasons, I can't find the reference but when they were developing the first story they created for the game was the Agents and they put everything into that story. They focused on giving that class a full Star Wars experience where light and dark meant changing stories... it was the centrepiece of their Alpha builds/production meetings to validate the insane amount of money they were getting. Then once they were proud of the story they wrote... they promptly split up the writing team and rushed deadlines to complete the rest of the classes. (OOPS!!!).

[@TheYdyp]

To bad I didn't like the Imperial Agents healing style had to many short ranged skills in it for me, but now with the overhaul of combat styles that problem is solved and I can fully enjoy him together with in my opinion also the coolest looking ship :D

[@minicle426]

I find the storyline doesn't work that well on repeat playthoughs, especially when you know what's coming.

[@CalebMcCartyA.A.P]

To be honest, Agent's story was the second worst for me (Worst being Trooper) as it was the most predictable. For me, it felt like a Bond Fanfic written in Star Wars. My top story has to be Smuggler, followed VERY closely by Bounty Hunter.

[@gmxealot6236]

I love the Fury, XS Freighter, and D5 Mantis. Special mention to the fighters for both factions, they look amazing and bring the Z-5 feel and a nice mix of TIE and old sith fighters respectively.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

I actually like the Defender Corvette. The back story of being built by a subsidiary of the company that builds Republic War Ships implies that it's purpose built for Jedi and not just a retrofitted Republic Ship. The design and name also fits the Jedi as ambassador themes that Star Wars has always gone with because it appears more defensive than offensive implying it was built to protect the inhabitants rather than destroy the enemy.

[@saintcynicism2654]

The vibe of the Imperial story was definitely enough to make it one of my favorites, because you really did feel like an important yet miniscule cog in a machine that's always three seconds away from imploding on itself. Especially after Keeper's talk about how they weren't some huge organization of noble patriots serving the Empire, they were basically janitors who spent most of their time cleaning up the messes the Sith routinely left in their wake. Something you also get a taste of with the Inquisitor's campaign, where you see firsthand just how thoroughly ridiculous their infighting can get. To the point that a single petty grudge can threatens to ruin the entire Imperial war effort all on its own.

[@bottasheimfe5750]

yeah the Sith Interceptor is my favorite ship from SWTOR, primarily because my Favorite Classes are the two Sith Classes, just the aggression and snark the Inquisitor and Warrior can throw at their allies and enemies alike is really fun to me. plus I like electrocuting people.

[@Valavaern]

I've always loved how functional the Defender looks; it's a box with just enough flair to not be a box. Conversely, I'll never understand what you see in the Thunderclap. Every time I look at it, I think, "But why, though?"

[@craigman04]

The Imperial spy ship looks like something from star citizen, based on the blackbird sr71!

[@leko7234]

my first thought was that it has to be made by origin

[@TheYdyp]

We all know how long Star Citizen is in development, but SWTOR is still a bit older ;)

[@Karackal]

I also always think of the blackbird when looking at this ship. The Aston Martin never came to my mind at all but then I'm really not into cars.

[@spencers4121]

I've not played in years, but when I did I always wanted them to expand on the ship combat missions. I know they were on rail shooters but they were fun, and had a bit of a challenge on the harder ones. I wasn't a fan of the pvp ship combat they added later, I don't think many were honestly.

[@DB-ku7vu]

Gotta go back and finish the bounty hunter story, I love playing mine as a huge cheese ball, makes me feel like boba fett from the robot chicken specials

[@cass7448]

Speaking of space yachts, I'd love to see a few more Star Citizen videos from you.

[@christophermcdaid696]

I was thinking the phantom looks like an Origin ship

[@lukesearle1302]

The Imperial agent Ship is beautiful, I love the look of it. It is what I would love to fly and own out of all the star wars ships.

[@Dishdog2]

Honestly I've always loved the Defender! I understand the dislike, but it's always had a size and silhouette I've liked

[@DCimmerian]

I always have described the Imperial Agent story as "What if James Bond had to deal with crazy space wizards all the time". I imagine that's a sentiment shared by a lot of people. I actually really enjoyed the Trooper story line, but only by kind of slipping into a "for the republic!" mindset.

[@TonksMoriarty]

The Imperial Agent ship is a Lockheed Blackbird scaled up and science-fiction-ed up

[@the_Kutonarch]

Love that Battlezone 2 music for the intro

[@benhobson3084]

My theory on the Rendili thing: The Defender was a limited production run with a budget. It was transferred to the smaller subsidiary so that it did not compromise the production of other Republic contracts.

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

Nothing has made me want to play The Old Republic again after 100 years more than this. Theses didn't really exist when I played, or at least not in the content I got to near launch.

[@dr.arielfinch4316]

Weird as it is, I'd describe the Phantom in the same style someone described Zigzag the Great from Thief and the Cobbler: "He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up." The way I'd describe the Phantom being "It is simply a knife, looking for the right ribs to slide betwixt."

[@JonathanLundkvist]

Whenever you talk about The Old Republic, you have to talk about the fact that everybody needs to play the Imperial Agent story. Its only natural.

[@Formulka]

I love all of the stories, the way they together paint one big picture is fantastic.

[@minicle426]

It's okay, but overhyped frankly. A bit boring on a repeat playthrough when you know the twists.

[@VikCachat]

Light side sith warrior storyline was very good as well. Jedi interactions were always fun.

[@frenzystitch4664]

Thank you so much for giving this game and era some love. It’s my favorite era in Star Wars. while a lot of KOTOR stands justifiably dunk on it a lot, I still love the aesthetic, the stories, and the galaxy position that everyone is placed in. Average citizens/soldiers contending with waring space wizards is the best character perspectives and my favorite to Role Play

[@tellhimimeating9141]

You really like to nerd out about more than just space ships, and I think i'd like to see more series like.. Analysis on different Sci-Fi stories, their influences, their plot points.. Just cliff notes for sci fi in general to get more folks into it... I love that yall approach video games, books, movies, whatever

[@DrakeAurum]

They are just a fantastic set of ships, perfectly designed to capture the Star Wars aesthetic closest to the character class you're playing, while being original designs. And yeah, the Imperial Agent storyline is great. The main thing it does is make it feel like the Sith Empire would be a near-perfect empire if it wasn't for all the darn Sith.

[@jeremydale4548]

And then the Sith wonder why their Empires fall every single time.

[@DrakeAurum]

@@jeremydale4548 The Sith have much the same opinion, except that in their heads it's always "if it wasn't for all the other Sith."

[@stevenscott2136]

A case could be made that's true of ALL empires. It's always the power-mad jerks at the top who ruin everything.

[@gregoryvn3]

Aw yeah, Old Republic ships! Good stuff, underrated. I was positively giddy whenever I earned my own ship in the game, with the beauty shots and rising music... just full on geeking out.

[@happyslapsgiving5421]

1) *X-70B Phantom-class* Beautiful on the outside, gorgeous on the inside. 2) *Fury-class Imperial Interceptor* Cool and badass without being too edgy. 3) *XS Stock Light Freighter* A beautiful Millennium Falcon-like Corellian ship with its own twist and style. 4) *Defender-class Light Corvette* A sleek, sexy improvement to the Hammerhead-class design. 5) *BT-7 Thunderclap* Impractical and awkward on the outside, impractical and super weird on the inside. 6) *D5-Mantis Patrol Craft* What the Hell is this abominable eyesore? The only ship uglier than the Razor Crest (not by chance, both are bad imitations of Slave One).

[@HIWTYLSL]

Literally only played this game when it came out because of that phantom. It looked so fantastic

[@danielhaire6677]

Corellian Freighters - A practical lesson in designing disguised gunships with decent cargo capacity.

[@joelcox5801]

My biggest problem with a lot of the Old Republic designs is that they feel like you can place them in any era and they'll still fit, especially when it comes to the Sith ships.

[@brgardner897]

I’ve gotten into Galactic Starfighter recently and really fallen in love. I would love it you were to talk about those fighters as well! Thank you for this.

[@Restilia_ch]

If I didn't know SW:TOR came way before Star Citizen, I'd say the Phantom is a dead ringer for something from Origin Jumpworks, just painted something other than their usual crisp white. Very similar external design aesthetics to the 100i-series of ships (which are tiny 1-seat ships).

[@glrasshopper]

My thoughts: Defender: a politicians ship, looks fancy, and those engines should be fast Fury: Idiotic. In a universe where the pilot relies on visual flight rules, you should NOT block the pilot's view Thunderclap: A soldier's ship. Utilitarian, with plenty of thought going into what a squad will need for down-time and for deployment Phantom: Really slick. The rich-man's touring ship. Mantis: The aging workhorse

[@ItsJustVirgil]

Honestly I just adore every single one of these. Some of them even feel like they’d slot seamlessly into the prequels or original trilogy artsyles, and I can definitely see shipwright corporations making modernized reproductions, like how we have modernized reproduction weapons today.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Yes, yes, yes! I also like the YT-2000 - why? Center mounted cockpit! It retains all the other things that made the YT-Series from CEC great, but non of the things that weren't so great, like the side mounted cockpit :) If I wanted/needed a personal ship in Star Wars and couldn't get the Ebon Hawk (or another Dynamic-Class light freighter - which I also like!) or a WR-542 Shooting Star, then I'd want the YT-2000 (with some modifications, like a droid-brain that supports the pilot and uses the turrets and a beckon-call-system so that the ship can come to my location if I need a quick escape! Better weapons, better shields etc. are of course part of the package :))...hell, if I were a fleet commander in Star Wars then I'd ditch all the flying coffins (otherwise known as starfighters!) and replace them with light-freighters rebuilt as gun-boats! Why? They can take a beating, they are fast enough and they have living quarters so they can fly a constant CAP (and even follow the mothership into hyperspace!) and they are better armed than fighters! ps: Yeah, the Phantom is my fav. too :) - However I prefer the Jedi-Corvette over the Smuggler-Ship!

[@DIEGhostfish]

Center cockpit means no big loading gate or "Freight pusher" option though.

[@Nidhoggrr]

When the game first came out I picked the Agent because the ship was so much cooler than the others.

[@Omnomface]

The Agent ship actually reminds me of the Blackbird, the long-range recon plane. Especially the front section.

[@FireheartSamurai]

Some of my personal favorite main character TOR ships are X-70B, Defender Class, XS Light Freighter, & Sith Infiltrator

[@N1njaSnake]

The Imperial Agent ship deserves a highly detailed miniature model, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

[@Sangth123]

This game deserves more attention, or honestly, a sequel. Best MMO I ever played by far, and it ties for the best Star Wars game I ever played (with Republic Commando).

[@Colin_]

The Phantom looks like a futuristic spaceship version of the SR-71.

[@bostontracy5151]

I know it’s not a player ship anywhere, but my favorite ship is the dreadnought-class cruiser; a cruiser that can hit above its weight-class & I like that.

[@vampirecount3880]

Star wars: the old republic is a sad game that failled really hard at being an decent MMO yet its one of the best single player (and coop) experiences you can have, particularly if you are a star wars fan. I would say its a must play if youre into star wars.

[@tTaseric]

I'll forever praise Fallen Empire for finally leaning into the single player RPG aspects of the game

[@McHaven07]

the fury class is now my favorite star wars ship design, appreciate it!

[@williamcostigan91]

Always happy to see a fellow Yt-2000 lover. The Otana was a joy to fly in X-Wing Alliance.

[@phi-net2437]

Glad to see that the Imperial Agent ship and story line got shout outs, just started SWTOR for the first time two months ago, really enjoying the Agent story line, first MMO in a long time to make me feel powerless at any point.

[@kevingluys3063]

At first I heard that as a "Mailed Fist" as in a fist sent through the mail. Still works. You have pissed off a Sith Lord and they have sent this ship straight to your head.

[@dashsocur]

My biggest complaint with regards to many Star Wars and (and generic sci-fi) ship designs is how often they stick the cargo bay a LONG ways from the entry hatch (and sometimes put stairs and such in the way). It's like the artists never even considered the fact that the big cargo containers they like to decorate with might actually need to enter or leave the ship..... This is something the Bounty Hunter's ship seems surprisingly sensible about until you realize that the cargo bay is actually right off of the cockpit (and up a narrow staircase from the hatch) and the area by the hatch is actually more of a workshop/training area..... Oh, and the HUGE amount of wasted space on these designs. The BT-7 could legitimately transport 24 troopers plus a crew for the ship with hot-bunking but instead we get 5 (plus 2 droids). Imagine how much more effective Havoc could be with some actual numbers instead of having to rely on plot armor in a world where Jedi are relatively common...... On a side note, I really think that the developers missed an opportunity to make the trooper a "horde class" (ie: having the player character significantly weaker than other classes but offset by having 3-4 companions instead of the usual 1). Make it feel like an actual military unit instead of Captain America's Howling Commandos.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Who actually wants to hot-bunk? Nobody, that's who! As for stationing that many crew on such a small ship permanently: Why? For a larger operation you will use larger ships and for a small commando op you only need 5-10 people :) - as for the commando needing to be weaker? Well: You are a special forces soldier! They learn how to fight force users in this universe (just like Mandalorians do, or the Echani!), they need to know this, so they get it drilled into their heads!

[@dashsocur]

Nobody ever wants to hot-bunk and yet, it's still a very present thing in submarines to this day. You also wouldn't be stationing them on the ship permanently, the ship is a transport. They are presumably based out of Coruscant considering how many times you have to go back there. "They learn how to fight force users in this universe" and that's my problem with it. The Force is such an insane "force" multiplier that it turns someone into a 1-Man-Army. At least the Mandalorians have the excuse of Beskar being extremely resistant to lightsabers and jet packs to help offset the mobility deficit. Echani are trained from birth and have insanely high reflexes and dexterity compared to humans. Even with all of these bonuses, both groups are "almost" able to face Force users on an even playing field (and then only the good ones). What chance does an elite soldier have without any of these advantages? (I'm deliberately overlooking the Smuggler and Agent as open combat isn't really their thing thematically anyway.)

[@astreanightfang2622]

imperial agent was my first character and i loved that ship

[@MrWhite320]

Not putting the BT-7 on the bottom with the trash, where it belongs, was bad enough. But placing it ABOVE the Mantis? I quite literally cannot comprehend how anyone LIKES this craft, let alone ranks it as the best of the Republic designs.

[@Formulka]

Finally somebody said it! Otana is the best looking YT ship by far.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

Well, the Otana was a pimped YT-2000 - but I'd take the unmodified ship, too (modify it myself - or pay someone to do it, if it is too hard to do...then again: If the likes of Han can cobble something that works together, then so can I probably :) )

[@minicle426]

I like the Mantis. It's a workhorse. Built to take and dish out punishment.

[@PriestessOfSlaanesh]

Its pretty simple to rate. I kinda like when my character and crew is actually able to call the ship a "home". Which mainly leaves 2 questions open: Does everyone have a bed? And more important: Is there a closed door on the ship thats actually not the escape pod or obviously something else... so i can imagine a toilet/refresher/shower being there? Maybe even a kitchen or another closed door which i can imagine a kitchen in? Lets check this: D-Tier: -Defender: Technically a great ship. However.... your crew has to friggin sleep on the ground. They dont have BEDS... like wtf. There is however at least a single door in the lower part that "could" be the refresher/toilet. But better pray there will never be more than one of your crew hurt/wounded at the same time, cuz your medi-station only has one bed. Forget about a kitchen. But the atrium is pretty neat -Mantis: No toilet/refresher. No "Living room" for the crew either... not even a proper place to play cards or something. Forget about a kitchen. Horrible. C-Tier: -XS-Transporter: I mean...no toilet/refresher either... however.... the only ship with an actual kitchen. Its... okay i guess.... B-Tier: -Fury: There is actually a unused door in the storage-room which technically could be a your refresher/toilet..... also a neat living room next to the big holo-thing. However... you need kinda alot of fantasy to imagine that toilet at the end of the storage-chamber. Its fine.... at least it kinda works as "home" B-Tier: - A-Tier: Phantom and Thunderclap: Both are amazing. Both have that "Toilet/Refresher"-Unused Door. Both have nice living areas... both are comfy homes... Phantom is a bit more on the luxury side with its noble design.. however... the actuall living space is actually kinda limited if you closely look at it... the Thunderclap seems more "rough"...... but offers literally anything except an obvious kitchen.... but TWO!!!! unused doors which you can imagine being stuff in. So you dont only have a toilet, you even have a imagnary kitchen.

[@tomaskops7119]

Defender - for Jedi, jedi meditate dont sleep :D :D

[@Kingsoupturbo]

Realizing how much Star Citizen ship design looks like old republic!

[@nivozi1694]

Check out Nebulous: Fleet Command if you like space combat tactical RTS. It seems appropriate to mention the game here to fellow fans of space combat and spaceships in general

[@frankharr9466]

Those are some pretty good designs. There's so much.

[@knowbuddynose]

I really liked the Jedi corvette...

[@mikkosimonen]

The agent's ship is one of my favorites, too, because mostly you can look at the ships and say "ah, yes, it's evoking this OT/prequels ship and makes perfect sense," but you have to give the agent's ship a bit more thought, because the movies never really center that kind of character in any way. It clicked for me as a combination Naboo royal yacht and Star Destroyer, and the Bond car influence is very clear in that former aspect.

[@TheDownrankTrain]

If they ever did a SWOTOR-era series, it should absolutely be from the empire perspective. Focus on a sith with an imperial agent as the lancer

[@barnettmcgowan8978]

Great video! I love your ranking.

[@icarus_falling]

That fury class looks like the panels should pivot into tie style wings

[@Captain_Reaper]

YAS THE YT-2000 AND THE OTANA GETTING THAT SHOUT OUT!

[@BaeBunni]

The Imperial agent story does 2 things really really well and would argue makes the trooper story also really good, first is what's said about how basically shows military personnel having to take orders from magic lunatics that are obsessed with winning have to live and second is the muck of the republic. Both the agent and the trooper basically have to deal with worse of the republic especially the trooper since being a good soldier usually means giving up the moral highground on most cases which is more refreshing compared to the jedi stories.

[@diminios]

X-70B's shape is... perfectly symbolic, given who pilots it. It's shaped like a dagger that the Imperial Agent uses to stab people from the shadows.

[@hiepowell1269]

You're allowed to deviate lol we love hearing you talk about ships, mainly we come for the ships, but your insights are appreciated too, even deviations :)

[@BudroThePious]

I'm an old trooper main but for the ship designs for me it was always the Phantom and not even close.

[@brydon5721]

What's put me off playing TOR is the MMO element of it, but if its been set up now for more of a single player experience then it definitely might be worth a look.

[@deadeye4047]

My favorite ships often have square, trapezoidal, and/or aft spanning engines, and they are angular and elegant. For me a Nubian-style Delta-7b Jedi Starfighter scaled to be a troop transport or special operations craft would be absolutely amazing. In this game specifically, I love the Sith and Agent ships the most.

[@nicolastousignant9160]

Nothing will ever beat the Nebulon Ranger and its wacky angled wing and 'L' shaped engines but the old republic ships come close. Consequently the Thunderclap is my favorite from this era

[@AHomelessShoe]

I really like the old republic ship designs. I'm not sure why, but somehow they just give me joy seeing them.

[@fnfjedi]

I seem to recall that the Jedi Knight companion, Kira Carsen, makes a comment about the Sith Empire having all the best tailors...LOL

[@Over10rDPrime]

I knew how this list was gonna go even before I clicked on the video. I wasn't wrong :D

[@spacerx]

I think the Jedi ship is the best, in terms of "what ship would I want to live on if I were a space traveler. I'd probably give it an exterior paint job, though. The ivory and brick red is... OK. I think the Sith and the Agent ships are the best organized for what I actually want to do on the ship though; the most stuff in one place without me having to run from one side of the ship to the other all of the time.

[@spacerx]

Although if I could do a fair bit of interior design to make the Sith and Agent ships more "homey" inside instead of dark and industrial, they'd be favorites too.

[@obi-wancanoli8236]

The XS is probably my favorite. I'm a sucker for the outlaw-gunslinger side of Star Wars, and the XS being a big spacefaring hot rod is just great

[@Wraithfighter]

The Imperial Agent storyline can largely be summarized in two words, spoken in a tired, annoyed tone of voice: “Sith happens…”

[@igncom1]

Unpopular opinion: The Old Republic has never sold me as something that happened thosends of years ago in starwars, but more as an alternative reality totally separate from the rest of starwars. These re-imaginings of the classic ships just feels creatively defunct in a continuous storyline, even with styles coming and going overtime.

[@TheDarthChief]

Ya maybe like 500 years would be more understandable. Thousands is way to much.

[@Kallodus]

I just like to think of it as technological stagnation. With no war, there was no need to innovate, so very little changed between the eras

[@DrakeAurum]

It was a necessary catering to the market. Players wanted to play their favourite Jedi or Sith or Troopers or scoundrels, and run around in their own versions of the Falcon or Slave I, but Bioware only had a licence for the Old Republic period. Combining that setting with the aesthetics players were clamouring for was really the only marketable choice for them.

[@charlestownsend9280]

I find that if you think of the entire 1000 years as one continuous war (with some small eras of peace) from the old republic games to darth bane it does make some sense as the galaxy is constantly struggling to maintain resources so technology doesn't progress that much (and sometimes when it does it gets sabotaged or destroyed either by opposing forces or in fighting). Then you only have the 1000 years of progress in the high republic era up to the clone wars.

[@daefaron]

@@Kallodus they hit an effective peak of tech basically. Plus upgrades would have tp spread galaxy wide.

[@jeremysheiner]

Pretty much agreed across the Board, but I would mention that my favorite "enlarging" of the TIE design is Maul's Infiltrator. Love that ship.

[@HistoryVideoGamesMiscStuff]

Palpatine, assuming he didn't murder you for calling him a pretender, would probably argue he's doing the designs right this time.

[@orcaman1353]

I know why you don’t do space battleship Yamato vids. Because you don’t like the fact that the battles have hundreds of not thousands of ships and the Yamato is repaired after every episode

[@CuriousMind477]

I started SWTOR way back when it came out and I almost regret doing the Agent story first, because every story after that just could never live up to it. It got the best story and the best ship, so the other arcs never stood a chance ;)

[@corruptangel6793]

My favorite ship in all of Star Wars is Darth Maul's infiltrator. But the Imperial Agent ship is sexy as hell and a close second for me.

[@rottenroads1982]

Idea: Their should eventually be canon shows and Movies for the Old Republic era of Star Wars, and before. Literally, I believe the Rakata and the Infinite Empire should be added into canon. At least make the Early Cannon Lore the same as Legends.

[@ArmouredProductions]

You are absolutely correct on the worldbuilding and class stories. Especially the Imperial Agent as you said. Mainstream Star Wars fans continue to sleep on SWTOR because it's an MMO and not Skywalker Saga Related, but it truly is fantastic. Even the weakest storylines outclass other star wars stories.

[@dreamingflurry2729]

"Mainstream Star Wars Fans" - Now that is a contradiction in itself :D either you are mainstream (which means you might or might not like the Sequels!) or you are a (true) Star Wars fan and you probably don't like the sequels :)

[@HateMachine103190]

I always liked the ships in SWTOR except for one thing: Interior scale. I am sure there is some kind of gameplay/rendering reason for the inside spaces of the ships being scaled up, but its really distracting. It makes me feel like my character is smaller than normal size.

[@Shaderaygun]

Oddly enough, my favorite story in SWTOR is mostly lightside Sith Warrior. You're a sensible and honorable warrior who furthers the goals of the empire while surpassing the scheming of your peers by your sheer strength.

[@nathanielheilmann7351]

Same here, especially if you go initially a Darksiders prior to Tatooine and then change following that one point in the story on Tatooine.

[@tTaseric]

@@nathanielheilmann7351 I was so tempted to do this exact thing but I didn't want to miss out on getting to 5 Darkness rating.

[@hubertino855]

I started playing SWTOR exclusively for Sith Empire storylines they are awesome and unique, something we don't get in newer Star Wars sadly...