Ranking the BEST UNITS in Triangle Strategy

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LinkKing7

LinkKing7

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@why9631
@why9631 2 жыл бұрын
Cordelia gets extra tp if she doesn't MOVE you can still take an action like apply Regen which only costs on tp
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are evaluating these units as if they didn't interact and were not in a team-based game, where unit synergy is as important as what a unit brings by itself. Flanagan is crucial for a team comp I came up with called Death Ball, which allows you to effortlessly beat any hard mode mission with 5 units. He can also make any adjacent ally take half damage for 3 turns, which is great, but by your criteria of what he does by himself, is not anything because he helps other units. Medina by herself is useless she needs things to battery. Availability matters for a fresh save and for fire emblem, but this game's main draw is NG+ hard mode and unlocking everything. I don't get how healers are bad. You run 1-2 on some maps and they restore health, they have good 4TP abilities that increase durability. Corentin is hugely undervalued, even on fresh save. 80-90% silence at range, ice wall, aoe burst, all for 2 TP early-late game, can get 2 TP a turn by standing on ice mid-late game? Has insane nuke AoE Glacial Moon, can put 1 hit of invincibility on an ally for 3 TP, can nuke large area of ice tiles 3 TP icy coffin. He's more or less the most offensive battle mage in the game with a lot of utility, and he's worse than NARVE?
@romanwagner8709
@romanwagner8709 2 жыл бұрын
Narve is awesome, probably second best mage, but I agree that Corentin is busted.
@LunatheMoonDragon
@LunatheMoonDragon 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONE PUTTING OUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR CORENTIN. My dude easily became my favourite mage in the game the second he got TP+ On Ice. I think before that, he can be easily exchanged for Frederica or Narve, but a constant TP flow that easy to proc makes him completely invaluable. His normal ice attack leaves 5 tiles frozen, and since you're always pressing your units forward as you kill enemies, anywhere Corentin has struck is likely covered in ice for him to sit on. All the damage output or support options in the world can't compete with spells every single turn.
@quickestzero3342
@quickestzero3342 2 жыл бұрын
Bruh, my first run of this game was on hard and the only reason I even beat chapter 7 was by making Avlora waste her turns, breaking ice walls, until I killed all the reinforcements and could focus her. Man instantly got a promotion after that.
@ASquared544
@ASquared544 2 жыл бұрын
If you combine Above and Beyond with Miraculous Light on a single unit, you essentially give them 3 Health Bars, which is _incredible_ on tank units. I get that Coretin is objectively strong, but he is also _super_ squishy, so much so that he kept dying to archers before a turn went by in my first run of the game, making him useless for a majority of it because he kept dying. This made me just inherently dislike using him because of that.
@Rapthan76
@Rapthan76 2 жыл бұрын
@@quickestzero3342 me too, this man was the goat of this chapter
@LixtianShanghai
@LixtianShanghai 2 жыл бұрын
Corentin is A. throw an icestone under him to activate his TP on ice skill, then you can basically cast 2 TP damage spells every turn.
@phathomie27
@phathomie27 2 жыл бұрын
Frederica owns. She came through plenty of times with her increased firepower during fair weather and her ability to recover TP when falling an enemy, which helped me to avoid missing turns between magic attacks.
@nano_verse7815
@nano_verse7815 2 жыл бұрын
Roland was the most frustrating unit for me. I wanted to use him well, but I never got enough damage out of him, and there were so many maps where he was mandatory and where his survival was mandatory, that I just found him a frustrating unit to use.
@erwinvarelanunez2371
@erwinvarelanunez2371 8 ай бұрын
Because of that I just send it to the corner of the map hahaha
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
He is very weird and gets crippled by his innate damage reduction, at the very least he can do some decent AoE and chip with Flash of Steel and Incidental attack. Four Dragons can also heavily chunk something if you position him right.
@archersterling6726
@archersterling6726 5 ай бұрын
Just gave him the Red Scarf to make him survive a bit more
@firenze6478
@firenze6478 2 жыл бұрын
Milo was my top tier unit. She can jump then attack then tun away on the sane turn. She can poison and she has the greatest charm rate plus she does high damage and has very high evasion
@DarknessDpa
@DarknessDpa 2 жыл бұрын
I have used Milo a lot myself because of her Jumps but I haven't seen this high damage you speak up as much as its like middle damage to me.
@firenze6478
@firenze6478 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarknessDpa her poison isnt affected by defense so it dies regular damage and adds a dps status ailment. Id call that high damage.
@DarknessDpa
@DarknessDpa 2 жыл бұрын
@@firenze6478 I've had instances where it did LESS damage than her regular attack but if it pierces defense then that's good to know. It can do good damage sometimes and only a little better other times. For this specific tier list I can maybe understand the extra 30 damage meaning something at least.
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
​​@@DarknessDpaI believe Green Mist is classified as a magic attack, so it does better against those really annoying physically bulky enemies like shield bearers (without taking poison into account). Against something with better magic defense it's likely doing less raw damage since Milo isn't strictly a mage.
@kai_824
@kai_824 2 жыл бұрын
The onyk thing i can really disagree with here is Geela in D. The 2nd lowest at that, Items cost money and money is needed for everything else like upgrades anf materilas which are extremely important. Geela isn't even hard to level all she needs to do is Heal from afar abd and gain levels as wuick as others. Or even increase speed a little. If day she's better rthe Cordelia at the very least, especially with her skill that heals more when below 50% hp
@darkdragonmedeus705
@darkdragonmedeus705 2 жыл бұрын
Likewise, I personally find it hypocritical for her to be lower than Cordelia; he uses 1 TP to heal an ally and 2 to heal a group. Where as Cordelia uses 2 and 3 respectively and Geela heals more. I know Cordelia to build TP and use Regen, but Geela also has the ability to cast something that revives units automatically when they fall similar to Maxwell's once per battle ability. Which can also be used multiple times in Geela's case.
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, Geela's very economical. You can bring her into every battle (be it serious or grinds) without having to worry about your healing supply ceasing to exist, and her availability is perfect (unlike Cordelia who is entirely optional).
@billsutherby
@billsutherby 2 жыл бұрын
I found that what limited Medina's usefulness for me in my first new game playthrough was the scarcity of the ranged HP pellets. Lionel only has like 5 in stock each chapter or so. And other than happening to find them in spoils, you're restricted to the handful of vendors that you encounter (whom also only have a limited stock of 5 or so). So on my first playthrough, I didn't use Medina a lot until the late game when my ranged HP pellet stock was healthy (and even then I think I only had like less than 40 or 50), did I feel comfortable using her liberally and really going ham with her double items. For me, Medina really shines when you play NG+ and have an expanded item availability. Also, I remember when I got Archibald and I watched the cut scene where it's the flashback to the Saltiron War and he basically holds a ravine against an entire army. I recall thinking to myself "Gee, that seems like a gross over exaggeration of his strength." And then I used him an was like "Nope... that cut scene was spot on. This guy is a medieval tactical nuke." Milo on NG+ is broken. I know you said the evasion stat is sketchy at best and I can agree to some extent. But I play her on NG+ with two evasion bracelets and drop evasion spice on her and she's almost untouchable to physical attacks. I've dropped her in a group of 2 or 3 knights or rogues and watched her dodge 6, 7, 8 even 9 straight attacks. Plus all the best status effects like paralysis and tempt are downright broken.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
NG+ drastically changes how I rank all of these units because availability is no longer an issue, and you're probably unlocking their max potential and kits so investment isn't too big of an issue either, Having said that, Medina's pellet availability was never too big of an issue, because the small ranged ones I think only cost 700 per pellet or something like that, and she gets to fuel 5 units with it. Generally, I only needed to use it 2-3 times per battle and that was enough to really get an early advantage so it's not like it needs to be used every turn. After that you can have her function as a healer or item thrower with whatever else you have, so it's also her versatility over the rest of the battle!
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
I've never managed to get Archibald to work unfortunately, positioning him right is a pain with his low movement and jump, and his ranged damage wasn't too much better than Rudolf's or Hughette's.
@jfei64
@jfei64 2 жыл бұрын
It's a little difficult for me to comment on this tier list for two reasons. First, it seems to be taking into account how useful they are on a first run in an unupgraded state which by default means I don't know which version of a given character we are rating. Second, I'm used to doing my runs with a focus on item conservation/itemless whereas this list clearly assumes that items are being used so freely that you can replace your healers with them. Now there's nothing wrong with this, just two different flavors. I actually made an Itemless tier list recently which naturally has Geela, Cordelia and Hossabara ranked higher. Because of this I won't or more specifically cannot refute many of these placements because I cannot deny that most of my placings would be assuming all upgraded characters and all of them being available right away. The one thing you said that I have to correct regards Flanagan and it's the idea that he has trouble/cannot deal with arrows because it's a myth I'm sworn to address and refute whenever I see someone repeat it. Yes he has an arrow weakness but that's not the same thing as being unable to deal with them. You said "If he has a skill that removed his weakness to arrows I'd have a much better opinion of him." Well, Flanagan does have a skill that removes his weakness to arrows, it's Ironclad. I've run the numbers and here's what you need to know. Hawksbane is around a 1.23 damage increase (identical to the damage increase of a critical hit). Ironclad (and Steelback) are flat 50% physical damage reductions when hit from their respective directions. Stated another way, when Flanagan is shot in front by an arrow, the damage is reduced by around around 60%. He takes the absolute least damage of any character when shot from the front by an arrow. The only character in the game that can take less damage than this (when only factoring in "always on" abilities) is Erador if Erador is being shot in the back since he has exact same damage reduction with Steelback+Crit and more physical defense unless you also factor in the healing from Safe Haven in which case Flanagan takes the least damage from a single arrow hit than any other character in the game. In fact, the 50 healing from Safe Haven becomes a lot better when you realize that if all attacks that Flanagan takes are from the front it functionally doubles to 100 healing per turn and if you run the Bangle of Vitality, that doubles again to 200. Like you said, this is about the strength of an attack on hard. The only physical enemies in this game that can overcome the combination of Ironclad-Safe Haven-BoV (yes even on Hard) to even get damage to stick are bosses. I'm serious, I've tested it. At most Avlora can deal 247 to him from the front if she uses Risky Manuver (x1.5), has her HP low enough for Desperate Strike (x1.3) and gets a crit (x1.23) and after all of this it's still at best a 3 hit kill but again this assumes perfect luck and no regen between turns. More realistically she needs 5 or 6 turns to kill him. This makes Flanagan the best tank when the situations that favor mobility, situations that call for someone to take several physical hits over several turns or there's a choke point that needs to be shut down for a few turns. Again this shouldn't affect this tier list too much because your list is taking availability and upgrade needs into account but it's still knowledge I want out there.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you took the time to do calculations, it's always interesting to see them and learn more than what I know tbh. I can agree that he's rather tanky, and I guess that does compensate for his weakness most of the time but yes, the tier list does factor in a NG run and not a NG+ run. I think the list would be radically different if I did it for NG since availability isn't a problem there for example, nor are the limited resources. As for items, yeah I never had an issue with spending most of if not all of my money on healing items and it got me through just fine, even without grinding the mock battles.
@jimmystrudel
@jimmystrudel 2 жыл бұрын
That's why these tier lists should be taken with a grain of salt and should only be used for entertainment purposes. They're more a reflection on the list makers playstyle than actual usefulness of individual units.
@OgreManGaming
@OgreManGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, it’s kind of fun to see how other people’s opinions differ from Link’s, but it’s also great how he really explained every choice, and I don’t think there’s a single mistake that couldn’t be fixed by moving a character within one tier of where they are. Of course, there’s also a lot of characters I have barely used, so who knows how reliable my tier list would be
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I knew coming into this that people WILL be mad and they'll disagree with me haha, but that's half the fun of putting one of these out since I enjoy hearing the different perspectives myself!
@Eternalwarpuppy
@Eternalwarpuppy Жыл бұрын
I feel like this tier list ranks characters on the assumption that you have infinite money to work with. All healers are bad because you can just heal with items instead. Lionel is amazing because if you spend 7500 you get a good move. If you aren't grinding in mock battles I have no idea how you can afford to play like this.
@moxopal675
@moxopal675 2 жыл бұрын
In no way is narve better than corentin nor frederica. And if your gonna talk about early game before they get their tp skills, why not do that with other characters like medina
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
Narve is good if you require the extra range or if all of your units/enemies are lined up in a row. Otherwise, he's a middling mage. Frederica has damage but she suffers from TP starvation if she does not secure the kill. Corentin to a similar extent but at least if you park him on ice he gets 1 TP each turn. If you pair him with Medina he is probably the strongest of the three, if you can get a lot of enemies with Glacial Moon.
@moxopal675
@moxopal675 2 жыл бұрын
@@Markleadguitar yeah but getting multiple enemies lined up in a row is super rare for narves weapon skill, corentin has one more move than him so they can hit the same enemies. Corentin can have anyone to tp battery him with ice stones. I can see a case for Frederica but even then, just give her a red anklet and choose an enemy that moves after her to widdle down and she can chain kill the whole chapter
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
@@moxopal675 Again, it's simply who can be used where.
@KnightRaymund
@KnightRaymund 2 жыл бұрын
@@Markleadguitar his tp ice thing is endgame
@pappypadre
@pappypadre 2 жыл бұрын
Narve is better than Frederica and Corentin though
@razorsharp5643
@razorsharp5643 2 жыл бұрын
Flanagan is definite S-Tier. You can use his Rampart and place four allies in adjacent squares next to him, and Shielding Stance one of them. That alone cuts damage by 75% on the Shielded unit and 50% on the rest. Even better, puitting units in that formation allows AOE buffs to affect all five, since it's a plus formation. The only real weakness would be enemy mages. You can also run a double tank comp with Erador and him, using the Rear Guard's Scarf on Erador. This plays out in such a way where you only take front hits on Flanagan and back hits on Erador, tanking hits for days. Combined with his mobility, Aerial Assault being a pretty damn solid move for chasing, and his solid Fury application, he's very strong.
@HighPriestFuneral
@HighPriestFuneral 2 жыл бұрын
These are my thoughts on Flanagan as well. I have been consistently impressed with Flanagan, his ability to actually use his shield to reduce damage from the front has saved me many times, Aerial Assault has allowed me to take out numerous mages that thought they were safe in elevated terrain.
@audi-famam
@audi-famam 2 жыл бұрын
Flanagan is S Tier, or Main Party Material for me. He just needs to be approached with the mindset that he guards your *flank*. He shines the most when flying around your backline tanking anyone that gets past Erador. Especially with his Shield Bash with a much higher success rate than Erador’s Provoke.
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
Even if you don't use him 100% optimally, the man just eats hits for days and can Aerial Assault his way across a map. You really only need to worry about mages with him.
@xRawrC00kiex
@xRawrC00kiex 27 күн бұрын
You can put the squishiest units like corentin in your frontline and with ramparts+shielding stance, corentin will just take all that damage easily on hard mode. And then you can just spam glacial moon on enemies to death and the ice tiles will make it harder for enemies to approach your frontline. Flanagan made NG+ hard mode basically trivial
@jansenmayfield6317
@jansenmayfield6317 2 жыл бұрын
Benedict is my favorite unit glad he was S-Tier! I never get tired of, "I'll try my level best." XD
@willbohland3698
@willbohland3698 6 ай бұрын
We make it up here!
@DollyBowman
@DollyBowman 2 жыл бұрын
I find it bizarre that you can rank Geela in C tier when it would be pretty much impossible to clear the first few chapters without her. Healing items don't reach that far without Medina... That said, I find ng+ discussion way more interesting because availability isn't a factor. And in that comparison Geela pales in comparison to other healers.
@davidbarlow5214
@davidbarlow5214 2 жыл бұрын
First chapter of NG+ can be gruelling if you haven’t leveled those characters too
@michaelbradley8209
@michaelbradley8209 2 жыл бұрын
Ng + hard the first battle vs Trish and Travis is prob the hardest. Especially if you still leveling
@sielklavar
@sielklavar 2 жыл бұрын
I went into hard mode my first playthrough blind and honestly never found a point where Geela dropped off. I'd rather sacrifice that slot to have a dedicated healer than have to make my offensive or defensive units waste their turn using a healing item that doesn't even touch the amount of HP Geela can heal
@michaelbradley8209
@michaelbradley8209 2 жыл бұрын
@@sielklavar only issue is . One person can out heal all healers, and a better tp battery then others. If you didn’t want to use her I could see using geela
@davidbarlow5214
@davidbarlow5214 2 жыл бұрын
@@sielklavar I totally agree, honestly if you want to put someone like Medina in S or A, and then Geela below, that’s fine by me. I never finished NG+ but I can solidly assume that she remains more useful than a C tier character should.
@OgreManGaming
@OgreManGaming 2 жыл бұрын
While I’m sure you have more experience in the game than I do, I have to disagree with you saying Anna can’t sway a battle singlehandedly. The fact that she can endlessly combo some enemies saved many a map on my playthroughs, and I think she is one of few units capable of soloing an entire map without healing items. It would be tedious, yes, but possible. But maybe I’m biased since Anna Cheese is the only reason I managed to beat the last battle in my first run.
@michaelbradley8209
@michaelbradley8209 2 жыл бұрын
She’s not very good new game plus hard mode. Getting 60 damage with crits after coming out of stealth says it all.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I wasn't factoring in cheese strats in this tier list
@OgreManGaming
@OgreManGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 Fair enough, though little feels better than having an extra serving of cheese make a boss who is supposed to be hard... not
@darkdragonmedeus705
@darkdragonmedeus705 2 жыл бұрын
Anna is to this game similar to the Jagen archetype. She's like an early game MVP, with some debates of falling off a bit, but there are ways to invest her into remaining a top tier unit. Especially like later Jagens such as Seth, Titania or Sothe (The last one is whom she's most like). Surmount and Take Cover utility can also become potentially broken. I personally would have put her at the bottom of S Tier like most people usually do with Jagen units for Fire Emblem tier lists.
@alemfi
@alemfi 2 жыл бұрын
Anna is one of the only units that you can send off alone and expect to contribute/survive. While she is invisible she zones casters, and she can even bait a few units by spending a turn out of stealth. She can set ablaze oil jars without TP in one turn. She is definitely a very powerful contributor.
@HayleyandSimba
@HayleyandSimba 2 жыл бұрын
All these units are great depending on how you play. I happen to value healers and will play with geela, Cordelia and Medina to support my mages and tanks. I think they are so valuable. They keep your units alive longer so they can do the most damage. But like I said everyone is different and will play different! Thank you for the video! I enjoy them a lot!
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, one of the things I love about this game is how every unit is unique and usable in any certain situation. I play far more aggressively so healers slow me down, but for others I can see how they're valuable!
@exethel1g925
@exethel1g925 2 жыл бұрын
Anna can literally solo entire fights even in hard by reseting. you can solo the entire game with her if u play perfectly
@kadenelson1469
@kadenelson1469 2 жыл бұрын
I pretty much used Picoletta in every battle after i got her, the decoy is really strong like you said but also she has i think the highest evasion so she almost never dies for me and technically she is ranged if you use ball toss which only costs one tp so while not the best can be used every turn which is great for setting up follow up attacks without occupying the space from some one else I got Trish in my first playthrough and did Fredericas ending, her hop ability saved me a few times in the bomb map and her act twice is amazing cuz you can use it turn one before enemies get to ya and then she starts double blasting people from a distance and setting up follow up attacks, despite her low availability she was honestly a huge boon in the final maps especially the first map cuz honestly the other two were easy My other two favourite units are Ezana who you ranked highly but i dont think high enough and Correntin but others have commented what id say
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
Picoletta and Trish are both units whose main strength is existing, which sounds weird at first but as you explained they can safely be in a lot of places at once. They both also contribute some decent chip (the former with Ball, Decoy explosions and follow-ups, the latter because she's an archer). They're not great units on their own, but this isn't the kinda game where juggernauting is the best strategy, so they can always contribute _something._
@emmettracine8310
@emmettracine8310 2 жыл бұрын
Note about Maxwell. You do NOT have to save the Roselle in that chapter to recruit him. In my first run I gave them up, and I still got Maxwell, BUT I didn't get him until the penultimate chapter. So saving them might help get him SOONER, but with the way I played the game I did get him just very last minute.
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
He's one of the recruits you get when one of your convictions goes high enough, iirc. I can't remember which stat it is, but you can basically do a playthrough where you go all Morality, Utility, or Liberty until you recruit someone, then switch up. They carry over, so by your second playthrough you should have everyone.
@thecursed_1lordofcats738
@thecursed_1lordofcats738 2 жыл бұрын
@@Markleadguitar not quite everyone. You can't unlock everyone without doing 4 separate runs, including the "Golden Route" which has several requirements. Without replaying the game multiple times, you can't get all the Chapter 14 recruits (Milo, Cordelia, Travis, and Trish).
@thecursed_1lordofcats738
@thecursed_1lordofcats738 2 жыл бұрын
I got Maxwell just before the penultimate chapter and saved the Roselle. And everywhere I've looked, everything says Maxwell is lost if you surrender the Roselle.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
He's definitely locked behind 2 convictions and I didn't get him until my second run, so yeah, it must've been my choices then. Thanks for clearing that up
@emmettracine8310
@emmettracine8310 2 жыл бұрын
To be more specific, in every dialogue choice I took the middle option, and for most of the voting options I took the yellow routes. I forgot what moralities I ended with but whatever it was it was enough for Maxwell.
@audi-famam
@audi-famam 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! In the end, I always see these tier lists (including my own) as a reflection of ones playstyle even if we have rationales behind them. I share some points but my most fundamental difference is on healers. Some say they don’t fit an aggressive playstyle. But for me, healers enable me to take much *more* aggressive plays. Say to send out Erador way out on his own against a boss, ignoring his HP for several turns because of auto-revive. Using another unit’s turn to heal with an item when there’s something else they can do is too slow to me in fact. And among them, Geela is the best in how well rounded she is. Doesn’t need to sit still, her first skill is her main tool at 1TP, and her weapon skill just lets you shrug off the risk of losing a unit for a while. With Geela, my Serenoa can be across the map, alone, and I am not worried.
@kmk5626
@kmk5626 2 жыл бұрын
I think you underrated Frederica here. At first, I wasn’t too impressed with her, but I ended up going for a finisher build relying on blazing chains. She deals like 200 damage with that move, and kills grant TP, meaning she can become an infinite battery. It was super useful for taking units out, and basically resulted in a kill every turn, at range no less. Also, in my experience Milo was just terrible. I found her to be inaccurate, low damage, and died frequently. Her mobility was of little use as separating her from the pack was a death sentence
@monkeyluvspiggy
@monkeyluvspiggy 2 жыл бұрын
Would you be able to do a play through on hard mode without a main healer and upload it here? I'm curious to what that playstyle would look like and as to how beatable maps are on hard difficulty without one. That includes Medina too since she is an item based healer.
@greenstat1c
@greenstat1c 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna have to disagree with Corentin being in B tier. The absolute utility and control that he brings to your party is amazing. I cannot tell you how many times I had my life saved with Wall of Ice. That's where his real strength is. Yes, he doesn't hit as hard as Frederica, but Frederica doesn't have the sheer utility you can get by blocking off entrances or holes or just creating choke points in areas that they previously didn't exist. I can think of at least 4 maps in my playthrough that became significantly easier because I could generate walls of ice to control the enemy.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I found myself rarely ever using Ice Wall, and more so opting to use Corentin for damage, but I blame that on my own way of playing, thus why he's that low on my tier list I guess. Anyone who plays more slowly or strategically that I do probably has him higher up haha
@greenstat1c
@greenstat1c 2 жыл бұрын
That's part of what's so fun about the game, unlike a more traditional strategy game such as FE these characters all have their own potential use and none really overlap too hard.
@jhon1406
@jhon1406 2 жыл бұрын
Corentin can also have anyone else through an icestone at him + make him an aoe god from turn1
@greenstat1c
@greenstat1c 2 жыл бұрын
@@jhon1406 OK but with 90% of maps you're going to he moving on the first turn so why would you do that
@jhon1406
@jhon1406 2 жыл бұрын
@@greenstat1c not always ❤️
@jameshenry8377
@jameshenry8377 2 жыл бұрын
I love the video, I’m going to take what you said to practice and try some combos I did not think to use. This should be fun!!
@questrequested9171
@questrequested9171 2 жыл бұрын
i always suck at managing items. in any game, not just in Triangle Strategy. so naturally, Medina feels borderline useless in battle to me, i litterally cant play her correctly. and yes, i do usually bring 2 or 3 healers to my battles, again, not a Triangle Strategy thing as i always bring healers to every game, so yeah, Geela is amazing, and once i learned how to use Cordelia, she was pretty aight as well. Hossabara is also a pretty dang good unit cuz she is basically a hybrid between a healer and an attacker, which is nice, same with Narve, who can use Sanctuary if you need it. i can see the value in Jens' spring traps, but i personally actually prefer Rudolph's steel traps, but still handy to have both i like archers in general a lot, as i like to play games a lot more from the back lines
@DarknessDpa
@DarknessDpa 2 жыл бұрын
I can definitely understand how some opinions can form on certain people and that this particular tier list involves a lot of things I can't exactly say to agree or disagree but it's interesting to hear nonetheless Like I'll say I find Geela useful because I bring 2 healers in later game fights and I tend to focus on trying to make my other units attack more than just having to spend a turn with a healing item and she heals really well for cheap. I'll also say for Correntin can depend on the user to which you mentioned about healers and replacing them with items but if you can use Icestones, specifically Ranged Ice Stones to also create ice for Correntin to get that TP+ much better. I also think he's better for people like me who tend to group my team together and camp at an area and let some of the enemies come to me so the movement loss hardly factors into much. However I can't be upset with your rating since I hardly used him and even ranked him to veteran last and didn't use him until NG+ where someone also combos well with him.
@miguelgomez2458
@miguelgomez2458 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man love the videos also I would definitely watch that chapter ranking videos
@lordrikudouzero9119
@lordrikudouzero9119 2 жыл бұрын
Just gotta say, Vanguard Scarf is only for Benedict lol! I mean he even wears it in his portrait. And yeah, Medina is broken S rank for certain. However Ezana for me was worth investing in fully. Julio was her battery and she often swept the map. I used black anklet and the immortal earrings combo. She just killed everything and her tempestuous wind helps Archibald. S tier for me. Her last move can paralyze the map and usually kills one or two units. Decimal was earned on my first play through and helped free the Roselle from the Source. He happened to just work for me, funny and very powerful if used correctly (plus chance). Mine uses obsidian anklet as it just makes perfect sense. Nice list👌🏾
@gnerkus
@gnerkus 2 жыл бұрын
Was this on Hard? Because her ultimate missed frequently when I used it.
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
​@@gnerkus yeah its accuracy is unfortunately atrocious, I think across all difficulties but it's the most problematic on Hard. Blowing all of your TP on glorified gambling isn't something you can always afford to do.
@Randage
@Randage 2 жыл бұрын
Assuming you fully invest and upgrade Lionel for late game content, ignoring your initial rating based on these factors, on the strength/usefulness alone, is he worthy of that S tier rank you wish you could've gave him?
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@dckmusic
@dckmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Ezana with Medina or Julio can sit way back and use her casting ability to do lightening damage to every enemy. If you time this to damage a bunch, then do another ranged attack from Corentin or Maxwell, you can often kill multiple units pretty quickly. It can take 3 turns to do this attack, but it does so much damage, it is worth it. Just have to keep her protected. I also disagree about Geela. Her final skill to put on an ally so if they die, they get full revival is pretty amazing, and paired with Medina, can supply and heal your team quite well. Its all in how you use them. Groma is much better after she is powered up, but agree she isn't that useful until you do. All in all, with most characters, they can be useful if you use the right strategy. Its just most of us get comfortable with our successful strategies with certain characters and get stuck in that rut without experimenting with others. It wasn't until I did the Golden Root my third time through the game that I finally had to utilize characters like Decimal, Groma, Giovanna, Lionel, Hossabara and Picoletta that I discovered strategies that can make them decent enough (though I still wouldn't select most of them over many others in a regular battle). Decimal was the most interesting to me as I almost always found he could do significant damage to at least two enemies and with his range and my regular strategy of letting enemies come to me, he sat and built up TP and rarely moved and could be buffed when needed and consistently did damage to multiple enemies.
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
Okay. You CAN NOT make a tier list for TS units. Here's why. The usefulness of the different units is highly dependent upon the enemies you're up against, terrain, weather, and synergy between the other units on your squad. The argument can be made for the usefulness of a unit across a myriad of different situations, but the fact remains that certain units are next to useless without proper support. For example, archers are hindered by the lack of elevation. It is distinctly advantageous to have someone like Hossabara catapult someone like Archibald up onto a building, thereby saving several turns to position him correctly. Units like Corentin without proper support are hamstrung by their high TP usage. But if you had an ice stone, Medina, and are fighting units weak to ice, you all of a sudden have a very dangerous mage on your hands. Units like Erador are a bit encumbered when facing multiple archers, but against melee units he is invaluable. The list goes on and on. This argument occurs frequently on the subreddit and it really just becomes a "These are my favorite units" list. To further explain how broken the mechanics are, you can solo Avlora in Ch. 7 with Hughette. You can even remove her from the battle completely with Quahaug. So in that sense, tier doesn't really matter. Every character has their utility based on the variables around them. Hossabara has been invaluable to me - I've tossed Erador into groups of enemies, or tossed hurt units away from the fray and into Geela, etc.
@gavinfrancis9946
@gavinfrancis9946 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Many of these units are play style specific. I found Anna to be very bad with my defensive play style and many find her to be S tier. It's interesting that people play differently and we all have different opinions on units for it
@sielklavar
@sielklavar 2 жыл бұрын
Hell not just Avlora, but Hughette can solo practically that entire chapter even on hard mode. The AI busts on that chapter if you're on a building they can't reach and just stop moving towards you unless their immediate next move would put them within attack range of you. Combine that with shadow stitch to keep archers and mages at the edge of your range while just outside theirs and nothing in Chapter 7 can kill her when you face Avlora and her crew.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I both agree and disagree with you on whether or not you can make tier lists. If you have Quahaug then yes, you can't make a tier list because he invalidates every map right out the gate and straight up breaks the game. If you're cheesing maps with someone like Hughette or Anna then yes, that also breaks the game and invalidates a tier list. But we are allowed to have opinions based on our play styles and how useful units were because eventually you'll find common ground that will lean more towards objectivity the more opinions you factor in. I think Triangle Strategy is still quite a young game, and maybe as it ages more and more and people find ways to optimize their playthroughs, we'll get a true estimate of where units rank. This is a video I made more so for fun than it was meant for it to be taken seriously, so grain of salt with everything I said, especially given that I might and probably did play the game differently than a lot of people!
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 You do yourself a disservice by saying it's only for fun. It can be informative and giving people ideas is a good thing - though I will say, a tier list is subjective. It's not like FFT where everyone can become the same class, and now you rank them by their stat points (Orlandu/Ramza etc) You can't really say "if you have XY unit" because they are all available to everyone. It would have been better to create a list of strong synergies because a tier list is literally just an opinion.
@Yinlock470
@Yinlock470 2 жыл бұрын
the golden rule of TS: Every character is good. Except Giovanna. ok she's good in like 2 maps but she's *really* hurt by the fact that 90% of the game's terrain is pavement(frederica is also kind of hurt by this but she does so much damage that it doesn't really matter)
@LC356
@LC356 2 жыл бұрын
I got alot of heat for my Tier List when it dropped. I’m curious to see how this goes over, people seem to forget that it’s ok to have differing opinions and everyone’s experience will vary. Thanks for the vid 🤙🏿
@raymondnooodles5548
@raymondnooodles5548 2 жыл бұрын
ur list was good don’t trip!
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Tier lists are always controversial haha, I agree with you, we all have differing opinions and it also is highly subjective based on how we play the game. Some will disagree because they see things different, while others will agree because they have similar experiences. If anything I think it's cool to see and hear all the different opinions since it makes me look at things from new angles that I otherwise wouldn't have considered!
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming 2 жыл бұрын
You can't claim to be posting a definitive tier list and be objectively wrong about damage, numbers, and units effectiveness. This is the problem with both of your lists. Definitive means you are an authority on a matter and more or less are as close to objectivity as possible.
@raymondnooodles5548
@raymondnooodles5548 2 жыл бұрын
@@IcedCoffeeGaming there’s nothing wrong with having differing opinions on characters in a game where each has its own niche
@IcedCoffeeGaming
@IcedCoffeeGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@raymondnooodles5548 There is nothing wrong with a difference of opinion, but the word definitive means that this is the consensus/these are videos of authority/extensive knowledge of the game. If anything they are more subjective than most tier lists, most tier lists on TS reddit are more balanced/reasonable for example. Not knowing how good a unit is while claiming to be the be all end all authority on a game is more the issue.
@OpportuneAttack
@OpportuneAttack 11 ай бұрын
For me the team that carries late game are Erador, Medina, Serenoa and Maxwell. Because King's shield will draw aggro, under conviction's banner and double item ranged pellet spam build tp and high jump is basically a 4 tp ult nuke move when u take two birds one stone into consideration.
@DarknessDpa
@DarknessDpa 2 жыл бұрын
I can also confirm you do NOT have to save the Roselle to get Maxwell. I got him on my first run and I gave up the Roselle.
@kcsupersonic1
@kcsupersonic1 2 жыл бұрын
No way can I say Giovanna is the worst unit in the game when she and Corentin combo so well off each other and Gelid Barrage is a thing. It is so easy to have her and Corentin support each other with him creating a ton of ice for her to work off of and Gelid Barrage extending out those path ways. In addition because Trekking for TP makes her self sufficient, Gaia's Roar is available almost every time it would be useful.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Even on NG+, I had a lot of trouble making her useful in any capacity just because of how much setup she needs. It just ends up wasting turns that I could otherwise use on someone else, and she's some kind of weird magic/physical hybrid and ends up not doing much damage in either of those states. Maybe other people had more success with her than I did, but she's really underwhelming for a NG+ units IMO
@gnerkus
@gnerkus 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 I got a lot of use from Giovanna (NG+): - She has the 2nd highest mg def after Milo so she can tank magic attacks - With Ezana, she can turn into a secondary healer - She runs the fartherest so can be used as bait, to cause enemy units to split up - With Julio and Medina, she can use her ultimate frequently -
@RobComRobCom
@RobComRobCom 2 жыл бұрын
Geela is top teir. Healing is important as you need to spend money on upgrades and the shop runs out of healing items quickly.
@thecursed_1lordofcats738
@thecursed_1lordofcats738 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say Geela is at her best in the early to mid game, but falls off pretty hard late game. Her best aspect is her weapon skill, which is the only thing that keeps her in contention with Cordelia, who has the best magic stat in the game and a healing skill that requires 0 TP. Additionally, Cordelia's Elude skill is more beneficial in most circumstances than Geela's Haste.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
With how many people are up in arms about Geela's placement, maybe I need to do another NG run and play it differently to see if I change my mind tbh. But on my runs I just tried to kill things as quickly as possible and generally the item healing was pretty ok for me.
@quickpawmaud
@quickpawmaud 2 жыл бұрын
Eh for this game specifically I think you should have ranked it by New Game+ Hard. As tier lists are usually based on the hardest mode. That would also allow you to rank everyone based on their full potential. As otherwise Cordelia for example would be F tier because you give up Milo when she really shouldn’t be. Also you are always sleeping on Narve’s wind spell. It is a huge AoE and can setup your other units. Also I haven’t used Flanagan much but if you combo him with Seranoa Shield Stance you can stack protection quite a bit. Also Giovanna + Corintin is win. They have the best combo in the game but they both suck without each other.
@Draffut2003
@Draffut2003 2 жыл бұрын
Corintin sucks? What?
@quickpawmaud
@quickpawmaud 2 жыл бұрын
@@Draffut2003 he is worse than every other mage yeah he sucks.
@Draffut2003
@Draffut2003 2 жыл бұрын
@@quickpawmaud We're talking about the only mage who can reliably run without a TP battery and the best weapon skill among the 4? (exempting Ezana + Quahog)
@quickpawmaud
@quickpawmaud 2 жыл бұрын
@@Draffut2003 Fredericka doesn’t need a TP battery, has a better weapon skill, and does more damage, plus she can walk wherever she wants. He can only reliably run without a TP battery if he combos with Giovanna to spread ice all over the map.
@Draffut2003
@Draffut2003 2 жыл бұрын
@@quickpawmaud Frederica's weapon skill is useless unless you're running a character to let her go twice in a row, And if we're talking character combos then I would just use the Giovanna one you mentioned above.
@OurFantasyLife
@OurFantasyLife 2 жыл бұрын
Picoletta is great in the early game because her Decoy can Follow-Up, or intiate Follow-Ups. Later the decoy just dies too fast to be useful and it's a 3TP skill.
@TheRobversion1
@TheRobversion1 Жыл бұрын
as someone who's planning to get this game and doing some research on it, is it a good conclusion to say based on your inputs here; great; support units, archers good; melee strikers, tanks average; mages mediocre: healers
@Flareboxx
@Flareboxx 2 жыл бұрын
Geela is A or S tier in my opinion. Her auto revive skill (especially paired with Quahaug's time rewind ability) makes her incredibly useful. Also she heals more than Cordelia's base heal, but Cordelia's requires 2 TP. Not sure I understand the reasoning for putting her above Geela? I used her in all 4 of my playthroughs and found her to be one of my "must have" units.
@noahanderson7702
@noahanderson7702 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of your takes except with Flanagan. I used him as a roadblock and specifically as to hunt archers. His one step provoke can really mess with archers if their on rooftops where he can trap them
@pappypadre
@pappypadre 2 жыл бұрын
Flanagan is right up there with Erador!
@aegisScale
@aegisScale 5 ай бұрын
He's also decent for disabling mages if you can get him close enough, and can Aerial Assault to just about wherever you need him.
@TheDidierSachs
@TheDidierSachs 2 жыл бұрын
I would rank Rudolph higher since his Slumber Shot can damage and shut down a unit for a few turns, this has saved me a couple of times.
@gavinfrancis9946
@gavinfrancis9946 2 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to hear more about how you play the game. Offensively, Defensively, Both? I play mostly defensively and so some characters like Frederica were S tier because all the melee units with low magic defense would approach and she would nuke them. But when the melee units approached they had high physical defense so Serenoa wasn't too great. This is the same for Anna. Didn't work very well with my play style
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I play VERY offensively, so mages are super useful to me when coupled with Medina and Benedict to unlock their full potential for example. Ranged units overall were great for me and Serenoa and Anna did a lot of damage and follow ups which helped delete enemies quite quickly so that's why they're that far up there.
@TheSavvyDevil
@TheSavvyDevil 2 жыл бұрын
Corentin B tier. With any TP battery and standing on Ice he is easily high A.
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone is S tier with the right setup. He has Glacial Moon, which, if there's a large clump of enemies, will do the most damage. Freddie is great but if she doesn't have a TP battery or doesn't make the kill, she will suffer.
@kiddcamo597
@kiddcamo597 2 жыл бұрын
Idk, there’s some absolutely crazy damage reduction u can pull off with flanagan, honestly might be on par with Erador
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
The main difference I find between Erador and Flanagan is Erador excels at having melee units come to him and taunting them while Flanagan can chase down archers and mages and single target taunt them. Both are good if you know what you're up against.
@thecursed_1lordofcats738
@thecursed_1lordofcats738 2 жыл бұрын
Erador has King's Shield, which when paired up with Quaohag's Time Stop skill, can grant 2 turns of invincibility. Then again, the little time mage is busted in so many ways and can be a disgusting combo unit with several others as well.
@pappypadre
@pappypadre 2 жыл бұрын
Flanagan is high A tier
@Ed-1749
@Ed-1749 Жыл бұрын
Having come back after a year with a few extra runs, the biggest thing I've learned is that evasion DOES work... for Milo exclusively. Why does Milo evade so much better than Groma. I suppose the old lady just gets aged out by the new girl.
@nathonanderson
@nathonanderson 2 жыл бұрын
It takes a while but with decent rng Anna can single-handedly win nearly every fight in any difficulty. Just take cover, move close. She gain 2 turns invis and can attack once during this endless cycle of invis. I have, on new game and new game+ very hard mode, reached victory with just her.
@khgameplayer
@khgameplayer 2 жыл бұрын
Combining Narve with Corentin makes Corentin much better as the map should be littered with ice tiles within a couple of turns. Combining Anna with Milo is just fun as they just bully enemies together.
@sielklavar
@sielklavar 2 жыл бұрын
Hell Hughette can still solo the bulk of difficult chapters even on hard mode.
@InkWavve
@InkWavve 2 жыл бұрын
Most opinions in this video are subjective. But it's flat out objectively incorrect to say Narve having an aoe heal instantly makes him a better healer than Geela because she also has that same exact aoe heal spell.
@thechosenmongoose3404
@thechosenmongoose3404 Жыл бұрын
At first I was turned off to Medina when I played because who uses items in RPGS? But then I quickly realized how busted she was. Absolute UNIT.
@bkteer
@bkteer 2 жыл бұрын
Considering that this game has new game plus and your recruitable units carry over, would that have made you rank some of them differently? Like I know you ranked Milo at A only because of her availability in new game where you could only use her for a limited time, but wouldn't that point be moot in new game+?
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, NG+ is a different tier list, Milo is S+
@themrme4031
@themrme4031 2 жыл бұрын
I would personally be more interested in your view on their usefulness overall, I assume folks who are hungry enough for TS info to watch an hour long video will be doing multiple runs.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I did do a full character overview, which is probably kind of outdated now since I have done a few more runs since then, but I could follow this up with a NG+ tier list that would more accurately evaluate their full potential as units instead.
@nicholasmarques4133
@nicholasmarques4133 10 ай бұрын
Serenoa is supposed to be the big damage character, but easily gets overshadowed by every mage, imo.
@pappypadre
@pappypadre 2 жыл бұрын
Flanagan can tank a front and then move and tank another front. Erador will tank a front and take all fight moving across the map. On siege stages, Flanagan is also the best off tank using Shield Bash to peel enemies off Erador after he Provokes a big group, or off any other characters. Flanagan damage isn't great, but it adds up with how often he can Aerial Assault, and start to break up a group of enemies. When you said he can’t tank, just thought that was off base. He’s an A rank for me, and is to off-tanking, what Erador is to tanking, which is really really really useful in difficult battles.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Fair enough, he CAN tank, he just doesn't do it as well as Erador to me, and coupled with his late availability he just felt pretty lackluster to me in terms of his skillset. I guess his playstyle just didn't fit mine
@pappypadre
@pappypadre 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 He tanks better than Erador on maps where mobs are spread out, or where you have enemy archers or mages in vantage points. He follows up well to both Hughette and Erador, two of the most utilized characters in the game. He is the best peeler in the game as well.
@Hazel776FE
@Hazel776FE 2 жыл бұрын
Oh YES baby I’ve been craving one of these I love a good unit tier list they’re so fun to talk about
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Heeeell yeah, hope you enjoyed it!
@bulat9331
@bulat9331 2 ай бұрын
Picoletta in D tier and Frederica only in B tier are all you need to see to know that this isn't going to be an educational experience for the viewer
@cellanj
@cellanj 2 жыл бұрын
I wanted Roland to do really well because he was one of my favourites, but he just never did the level of damage I needed him to. SPOILERS . . . . . . . . I also lost him because I picked benedicts route, which I didn't mind for a few reasons. 1 because I had literally just got maxwell, 2 his character really took a nose dive for me when he aligned with hyzante, which is a nation I really don't like, and 3 he just fell off + ratio
@maximiliendesallangre6395
@maximiliendesallangre6395 2 жыл бұрын
That was a clean ratio my guy
@txgoldrush
@txgoldrush 2 жыл бұрын
Giovanna needs to date Corentin, because that is some S tier synergy, Cor can make ice for Giovanna to use while Gio makes even more ice for Cor to stand in. Giovanna simply has to be used well, as she is a synergy character.
@gnerkus
@gnerkus 2 жыл бұрын
They're also both nerds that fled their nations because they like to study.
@LuccaRPG
@LuccaRPG 2 жыл бұрын
I generally don't use Flannigan, but honestly he saved my butt during Benedicts Golden Path fight. Had him go in guard stance and soak up damage. It's the only way I won (and I wasn't in new game, so I was outnumbered). Okay, Alvora helped. ;)
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
I think both of the healers are pretty bad, but Cordelia's overheal skill gives you actual tangible tankiness, and she is easier to manage her TP with her wait skill, which works even if you use a skill, as long as you don't actually move IIRC so that's why she's a bit higher than Geela, despite the atrocious join time and having to sacrifice Milo. I knew putting Geela that low would be controversial, but I found her to be more of a liability than anything else, especially when I can use someone else to buff or do damage in my opening turns, which really gave me an advantage over having her do nothing.
@dragonturtleab.3036
@dragonturtleab.3036 Жыл бұрын
I can understand the ranking and why Giovanna is a bad unit but I will say this she was a key unit for me on the exharm Marshall map when I played it on hard mode blind. (That one that is like the second last map in the game). And yea the set up was specific but it worked.
@Ed-1749
@Ed-1749 2 жыл бұрын
Little bit late, but i agree on pretty much everything here anyway. A couple questionable decisions though, like how rudolph is a whole tier lower than the rest of his dps friends. Granted, straight shot's habit of being interrupted by the blades of grass when shooting downward is annoying, but he still does a similar job to serenoa in chunking something every turn. You're also slightly undervaluing flannigan, having him around to divert any amouny of damage lets you play a good bit more aggro, but considerering how you and i were running erador instead, it's reasonable to not want to use him. Definitly not 2 tiers under though.
@nerdzone
@nerdzone 2 жыл бұрын
My experience differs from yours significantly. My only S tiers will be Geela, Hughette, Erador and Anna. Hughette was invaluable for shutdown and was able to win some maps on her own if put in higher spots. Anna acted twice, had good movement and jump and was able to hide. Erador was the best tank I could ask for. His magic defence is not great but you basically need one healer and him to hold a 4-6 people on the map to a stalemate. Geela is super chep and versatile. She heals 50%+ HP (which for all intense and purposes could be considered a full heal. It is unreasonable to wait until units get more damaged. She can mass heal, she can cure statuses and increase speed (if she has nothing to do). The auto revive is awesome but was not available to me in my New Game. She does almost what Cordelia does but much cheaper in terms of TP and does a little better healing than Medina for no financial cost and with higher range. If asked which 4 units I would like to start with for a greatest chance of New Game success, I would 100% of the time go for these 4 pretty much until chapter 15. Anna drops in damage later on but her utility is so awesome that I might as well keep her in the party. I totally did not find Benedict as useful. In terms of New Game his utility does not seem to shine as much as it does in New Game+ and his damage was abysmal. I would have always went with another damage dealer than for a guy that slightly boosts damage/defence of a unit or once in a full moon does something spicy like change turn order or allow unit to attack twice. I feel your judgement is colored by your NG+ playthroughs.
@brakthalas
@brakthalas 2 жыл бұрын
Benedict's damage was abysmal because you shouldn't be using him to deal damage, like, ever. It also sounds like you did not utilize the available TP regen options if you were only using double turn or now every once in a while. Just Medina allows him to double turn someone every turn.
@3XHS
@3XHS 2 жыл бұрын
Tbh I didn’t get a ton of use out of medina purely bc her early game was kinda difficult for me, but seeing that strat makes me want to use her now
@Markleadguitar
@Markleadguitar 2 жыл бұрын
She really suffers until you get her TP Physick skill. Then you can use ranged HP pellets to give TP to 5 units at once. If you use double items and she's in the formation, you can dish out 10TP, and she'll be able to do it again after a turn.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
She's insanely good, once you get TP Physick, definitely give it a try and watch your eyes be opened to a whole new world.
@RobComRobCom
@RobComRobCom 2 жыл бұрын
Corentin is amazing. better than fredarecka!. The slow down ice causes protects your mages from Melee attack
@deoxsus6972
@deoxsus6972 2 жыл бұрын
Saying healers are bad in this game couldn't be further from the truth. Maybe in normal mode they're not needed as much, but in hard mode, where enemies are sometimes chunking you for over half your health, they're nothing but a boon to have. Geela especially. Characters like Geela and Cordelia heal more, and are far more cost effective than items.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Cordelia arrives too late and at the cost of Milo on an NG run to be considered high tier in any capacity. As for Geela, she's fine in the first few chapters since you don't have alternatives, but honestly, I'd rather kill a unit with an offense unit, or have a stronger support on the map, instead of healing that HP an taking the damage again the turn after. Healers just did not work for me, and this tier list is in no way objective or fact 😜
@deoxsus6972
@deoxsus6972 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 I mean I agree with most everything else, minus maybe Corentin, as I find his ice wall shenanigans very helpful. I certainly understand the argument of foregoing healers, in exchange for more damage. However, I feel calling them bad is going a bit far.
@romanwagner8709
@romanwagner8709 2 жыл бұрын
I think Fredrica, Geela, and Cordelia are A tier, and Corentin is S. Also, may just be me, but I think Ezana is B at best.
@LuminousArc92
@LuminousArc92 2 жыл бұрын
I would swap Frederica and Correntin with Ezana and Narve Frederica is high damage and can support but better off just blasting with magic, and killing a unit restores her tp to keep attacking Correntin is great for control maps with his ice wall and creating ice fields to slow enemies, plus standing on his own ice gives him tp with his natural tp recovery so on his first turn set up ice under his feet or where he'll move into position and good to go Ezana only has lightning to do lots of damage and it's potential to deal aoe damage is limited by rng from her creating rain. She has no way to replenish her own tp Narve is best to support other units. Making more ice for Correntin or extra healing on top of what your healer provides. He can't replenish his own tp which weakens his effectiveness
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Ezana's combination of damage and high paralysis saved me more times than I can count so she's definitely a lock for the top tier mage for me. The rest sure, they can probably be relatively interchangeable depending on the map situation I suppose
@aronaugsburg2166
@aronaugsburg2166 2 жыл бұрын
Late to the party but i genuienly don't get the ratings around Jens. He's one of the slowest characters in the game, needs a battery to be useful and doesn't do much on maps where you don't struggle for a ladder. His weapon skill literally gets one shotted on hard mode, and due to his speed and TP cost his choke point control is also nothing too wild. I find him very mid.
@AlphaHowlVideos
@AlphaHowlVideos 8 ай бұрын
This guy seriously rated Geela below Piccoletta
@akumar9836
@akumar9836 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree with this tier list strongly, I prefer iced coffee, his more experienced any ways
@trowabarton101
@trowabarton101 2 жыл бұрын
I'm super late but if my girl and her majestic steed aren't S tier I'm in shock.
@trowabarton101
@trowabarton101 2 жыл бұрын
Not disappointed.
@NoName-iw1kj
@NoName-iw1kj 7 ай бұрын
Lionel is easily the second worst unit in the game. If your claim to fame is ‘he’s a high investment, high resource cost, late game coin flip on whether or not his effect will work’, I’d rather just pick a unit that will work. Also, Geela D tier? You are absolutely out of your mind.
@necrofear331
@necrofear331 2 жыл бұрын
Milo is high A or S. That AOE charm move is insane and her mobility is insane. I think Maxwell is S too. I never felt Jens was that amazing especially if you main Milo/Maxwell/Anna...
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Jens is fantastico, and Milo would be higher if she was recruited earlier, same with Maxwell
@justineespeno5408
@justineespeno5408 10 ай бұрын
I main all 4 archers.. love shooting from above😂
@sympathism
@sympathism 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly love your vids
@philippe-andrepelletier4556
@philippe-andrepelletier4556 10 ай бұрын
My god it's weird his 4 top are trully what I consider B(benedict, Hughette)C(Medina, Jens)
@dizzyheads
@dizzyheads 10 ай бұрын
Kinda weird going thumbnail Benedict is F while in video putting S
@txgoldrush
@txgoldrush 2 жыл бұрын
Ummmm....Geela can Auto-Revive units, no way she is D tier.
@janohrca8875
@janohrca8875 2 ай бұрын
I liked this.. but kindly I disagree with a lot of it. But thanks for making there video though! (yes people do still play this game 3 years later)
@tbahr123
@tbahr123 2 жыл бұрын
I’m willing to bet most of the people in the comments defending Geela haven’t tried just not using her. I also thought she was irreplaceable until I didn’t use her one chapter and realized I didn’t miss her at all. She seems useful as you are using her but unit slots are the most valuable resource and she takes up a spot that could be occupied by a unit that provides something else more useful.
@rodelcorton8815
@rodelcorton8815 2 жыл бұрын
I did get quahog on my 1st playthrough around chapter 12 though broken as hell too
@robviviano8067
@robviviano8067 2 жыл бұрын
Why are you calling them NG plus characters? I got quohog about 2/3, maybe a little earlier, of the way into my first run. Is that not supposed to happen?
@dillonjohn7999
@dillonjohn7999 Жыл бұрын
Bro you did not just put the ice mage on c tier bro put that man on ice and give him a battery you nuking every turn plus he gets a silence on enemy mages
@davidbarlow5214
@davidbarlow5214 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly this looks like a “Which characters are underrated tier list”. Putting Erador in A is an honest crime, especially seeing as he was the one who revealed to me how broken King’s Shield actually is.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with Erador is that he doesn't unlock his true potential until quite late in the game and until you discover that, it feels like he falls off quite a bit in the mid game because of how many mages there are. That's why I just couldn't put him in S, otherwise believe me, I REALLY wanted to! He's an amazing unit, and probably S tier on a NG+ list.
@davidbarlow5214
@davidbarlow5214 2 жыл бұрын
@@LinkKing7 thanks for the response! I was a bit iffy on him during my first play through until I watched your character guide video. I would totally agree that he needs a lot of investment in order to be good too
@jackyha9445
@jackyha9445 2 жыл бұрын
Based on your tier list, both of them, this one and your earlier one; you and I have different playstyles. Simple as that, I agree with some of your placements based on what you said you were ranking this tier list by at the beginning of the video and completely disagree with other placements
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I have a more aggressive play style I think, so healers and support units usually rank quite a bit lower on my lists unless they facilitate that haha
@MJSHappy
@MJSHappy 2 жыл бұрын
Actually seriously disagree w/ Narve being a better healer than Geela. Geela has access to the same healing move as Narve and she has a healing move that only costs 1 TP
@Swolehouse13
@Swolehouse13 2 жыл бұрын
The music in the background kinda ruined the vid for me, needed to be a lot quieter
@TiduLimar
@TiduLimar 2 жыл бұрын
I did get decimal in like chapter 15 on ng o.o so certainly ng possible those 3
@Hablamannen
@Hablamannen 2 жыл бұрын
I was too cheap to use Medina. Big regret
@pureblood6492
@pureblood6492 2 жыл бұрын
if you are playing on hard mode than geela is in no way shape or form c tier.
@bacrawilder5387
@bacrawilder5387 2 жыл бұрын
I think your Tiers list is quite outaded . Flanagan is incredebly strong, he can reduce by 50% all damage deal to all adjacant Ally with his weapon art, and he can also halve this with this protective skill. Just look for death ball triangle strategy
@Inkubaszi
@Inkubaszi 9 ай бұрын
It's funny when u saying DPS [damage per second] on tactical, turn base game, when you mean - strong attack XD
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 9 ай бұрын
Damager Per Strategic Maneuver 😎
@Inkubaszi
@Inkubaszi 9 ай бұрын
@@LinkKing7 :)
@TheBelt
@TheBelt 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy using Flanagan.
@zackeryhasborn
@zackeryhasborn 2 жыл бұрын
Aye I think that the rating on geela is bullshit here’s why she saves u money by being able to heal her Allies plus she has the ability to cure your wounds a good amount for only one tp and she has the ability mend to wounds where she can heal u completely and the ability sanctuary that she can use on Allie’s from a range an it’s capable of healing 5 of ur units as long as u place those units in the right positions
@captainhades1583
@captainhades1583 2 жыл бұрын
Anna was my first promotion too but she kinda fell off for me
@hugog1523
@hugog1523 2 жыл бұрын
Generally speaking I agree with a good majority of the rankings. Small changes I’d make are knock Jens (too niche), Anna (not enough dmg) down a tier each. The only glaring problems I see are Narve and Geela being at least 2 tiers off. Geela should be at least B and and if the other mages are B then Narve is C. It almost seems like Corentin and Frederica got penalized for late TP regen conditional skills and no TP regeneration was overlooked on the mages with paralysis capability. While Ezana is my favorite, on paper Corentin is more flexible with support options. Narve is a tier below the other mages for being a generalist with no TP generation. He has similar struggles to Hossabara where he does many things but not well enough. Heals for less than the main healers, low rate for status affliction, no single target options for big damage. His niche is having a larger whirlwind and spark range than Ezana and farther reaching a scorch than Frederica after a tier 3 unlock skill. Just doesn’t seem add up to being better than the other mages. Geela can’t be worse than a healer that shows up in the last quarter of the game by sheer availability. Either mage healers are useless this game and we group them all in D or the ranking should reflect their utility relative to their availability given their minor differences.
@romanwagner8709
@romanwagner8709 2 жыл бұрын
Narve is very flexible and has great range, plus pierce defenses. I think he’s the second best mage after Corentin.
@SaunaQueen69
@SaunaQueen69 2 жыл бұрын
But best boy Decimal paired with Medina is so good
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
His damage and consistency is still kind of lacking tbh
@joejoethehff7373
@joejoethehff7373 2 жыл бұрын
I think you weighted availability too much... Avlora in anything less than A is a crime. Milo in anything less than S is a crime.
@LinkKing7
@LinkKing7 2 жыл бұрын
On a NG+ tier list, I'd agree with you, they'd probably both be in S tier, and they're both some of my absolute favorite units to use, but on a NG tier list, it's REALLY hard to justify it with Milo's late join time, and Avlora being only available if you happen upon the Golden Route
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