Ranking the Most Difficult Fighting Games.

[@optimusprime5166]

The way dude was sounding I was thinking he had over 100k subs but only has 66. I was so confused.

[@thelastgogeta]

167 subs now but it is crazy to think about someone making a poll of nearly 10 times his subscription base and trying to filter out information with a poll for such a broad topic across multiple game series that are decades old with numerous versions. It shows as the video is... a little weak but the KZbin algorithm got me to see it I guess and I got what I expected.

[@autotechniggaz]

That's that professionalism or at least talking like you know what your talking about smh I'll support this guy.

[@thelastgogeta]

@@autotechniggaz Not saying I don't appreciate the delivery but substance matters.

[@DJAizakku]

458 as of right now, this dude is spiking.

[@mathori-133]

He is 490 now

[@mallows9779]

Tekken isn't difficult because of the combos, the combos are easy enough but learning the fundamentals and match ups are mainly the reason why Tekken is so hard to play.

[@yoch5383]

False moovement and for sole characters combo are insane, punishing with the right moove Can be hard too

[@koolkidkarlo2488]

frame data as well, what can i punish, whats plus. since its harder in tekken to learn about frame data since every character has 100+ moves. and some, u need a phd to master like yoshimitsu since correct me if im wrong but has the most moves in the entire game

[@mallows9779]

@@koolkidkarlo2488 Lei has the most moves iirc

[@mallows9779]

@@yoch5383 Punishing, movement, combos, defense, and execution are already part of the fundamentals I am referring to

[@taylorbee4010]

Bakdash cancel and frames

[@aquablue3dsi]

>KOF >Anime Fighter Bruh. If KOF is an anime fighter, then Street Fighter is too.

[@aquablue3dsi]

@@themage1016 What's the properties of an Anime fighter.

[@themage1016]

Aqublue3dsi well i mean they techmically started as one🤔 anime fighters only means a fg game with an anime look or asthetic to it so in a way you could say early vers. KOF, SF and Tekken(the very old ones i guess) are one but nowadays they kinda strayed away from it tho KOF still kinda maintains that anime fighter feel to it.

[@aquablue3dsi]

@@themage1016 No they didn't. KOF, FF, and AOF started as a direct rival to Street Fighter. Which is not/was an anime fighter. KOF 13 is the only title that resembles an anime fighter. That is however graphics wise. KOF14 went with the bare bones 3d esque fighter. I've got little to no clue to why they'd identify Kof as an anime fighter. Other then light color, fast paced action, and easy execution

[@themage1016]

Aqublue3dsi dude one reason the art style😑 the vers of these games use the anime asthetic ex of that as i said earlier SF-SF3 used the anime asthetic until the switch to full 3d, same goes for KOF. one more similarity between the anime Fg and these ones are the way the chars are designed, many of them used the common tropes(power ups, projectiles such as ryu's haduken) found in anime. so while they are not really a true anime fg they could technically(you seem to miss this word as usual, which means they could or in a way😑) fall into the same catergory(also being 3d doesnt mean they arent anime bruh😑 they are style is still there however they are on 3d models, look at gg xrd thats one ex of a 3d anime fg, if not satisfied try looking at the KOF and SF 3d models they still maintained some of that animeish look to them😐)

[@aquablue3dsi]

@@themage1016 Your lines of reasoning makes all fighting games "anime"

[@zuzuzip4533]

Soul Calibur is actually a really deep game competitively ..but not combo wise like other games .. it's movement is key

[@thamostgangsta12]

It's actually nice, the 3d platform mixed with striking, deflections, and guard breaks

[@o_Scratch_x]

Until Hilde Combos you out of the Ring.

[@egftw8991]

that 8 way run

[@Kwuivery]

It’s super easy tho, like I button mash 2b through ranked

[@thespianmask]

Been playing since Soul Blade. Can confirm, though Soul Blade is very clunky and I didn't play the first Calibur. The fundamentals of SC is your movement. There's a lot you can get away with when you realize your enemy's ability to move around is worse than yours. I like playing Voldo for that reason. Tons of gimmicks in his stances that you can lean into, then just stop and stick to fundamentals since his basic attacks come out pretty fast anyways. It can really mess with people's heads.

[@kinglobster7246]

i like how he used the "HOW TO DO AN INFINITE" when talking about mvc

[@riku528]

KOF an “anime fighter” Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

[@joydivision39]

LMAO right??? I was like....What??

[@tehwelorg]

all of latin america weeps

[@Highlaw]

@RS1 Preeeetty sure people consider Guilty Gear and many other fighters with OG characters to be anime fighters too. The term doesn't mean what you think it means. In actuality it's literally meaningless and completely subjective and a case-by-case thing made up by the community with no defined standard, and this a stupid term.

[@FuzzySamurai]

KOF is an anime fighter tho. like the characters looks anime. or simply put, japanese animation.

[@pikachu3b366m]

@@FuzzySamurai If all it takes is art style to be called an anime fighter than SF and Tekken is also an anime fighter because their characters have anime art style. 🤔

[@cynic_0546]

Everbody knows that WWE2K20 is the hardest fighting game.

[@redrumssam5888]

👁️👄👁️

[@blackblazin]

Fr they sleeping on wwe2k20

[@thelastgogeta]

Ah, the game that made Jump Force hear boss music.

[@KayKapone1]

Fakest*

[@shivitgs-codmobile1193]

Really! It's damn easy

[@nybethobdilord6912]

I honestly laughed at mk11 beating out dead or alive and soul Calibur in terms of difficulty. It is by far the simplest mortal kombat game in recent years and is extremely easy to play competitively.

[@theelusivememe1772]

In terms of difficulty, soul calibur makes mk 11 not even exist

[@vincentwidjaja688]

MK11 is a lot easier, simple movesets, a lot of easy combo windows, simple break system. My experience with DOA 5 is you can parry enemy's move easily (even on combo) so mix up really make DOA a lot harder than MK

[@nybethobdilord6912]

@@CriticsConfession uh....what? Lmao

[@aa-tx7th]

Ha try MK Deception. Baby mode. Literally just block then input best combo = win.

[@nybethobdilord6912]

@@aa-tx7th deception did have those long strings but it still had combos like other games. It was just harder to pull off. Course the meta in the game revolved around spamming unlockable specials. Which is why Bo Rai Cho and Dairou are top tier.

[@Hella-cones]

Smash Melee is difficult af. I know a lot of you dont consider it a fighting game because Sakurai says it isn't and because items are in the standard gameplay but let's be real. Smash is completely made up of fighting game concepts and techniques, and no reputable tournament has items legal in the rules, so at the least, it is partially a fighting game. Having said that, Melee is just as difficult if not more so than half the 2d fighters on this list. Search "How fast is Melee" or "How fast is westballz" on youtube and you can clearly see how technically difficult it really is to play that game at a high level. I love classic fighters, grew up playing street fighter and mortal kombat but I've never played something as difficult as melee.

[@Hibernial]

Joshua Stafford Melee feels super rewarding when you stick with a (viable) main. It’s really hard looking outside in to see the game in a competitive light as a platform fighter. But yea. For anyone’s who tried playing some Melee against a fairly good player, it’s a bewildering experience. And for anyone who’s played a 4 stock match on the handful of tournament legal stages, it’s frantic and fast, demanding on the timing of precise inputs while having fluid movement, along with mind game layers being very deep. Versatility of options are always present amongst the viable cast of characters, so matches can take really fast turns in anyone’s favor. People seem to say Melee’s up there with some of the most demanding competitive games, although not quite exactly at the top. StarCraft is more demanding on inputs and its layers of multi tasking, as well as probably some few other traditional fighters like GG or KoF that have their intentionally complex mechanics to consider in game. I think Melee is just under the very top of most difficult competitive games. And to be honest, I wouldn’t want it to be any more difficult than it already is to play.

[@fuevue2913]

The Buttons Pressed per Second is more than Starcraft Pro Players clicking, just to put into perspective how much technical skill is required in each precise movement

[@norman2258]

Smash is just very different to other fighting games since there's edge guarding, ledge trapping and stage control. Also something that i think people don't point out enough about in smash are percentage specific combos. some combos stop being true if you're just a few percent off. and when you add rage and character weight into the mix, it just gets impossible for me to keep track of. Of course this really only matters if you are playing a combo character. But from looking at some guides about tekken, damn does it look hard.

[@ctowndrippnw1926]

Joshua Stafford melee is by far the most difficult

[@gilgameszh]

"smash" "difficult" lmao

[@TonyTheTGR]

*Introducing KoF to a GG fan:* Guilty Gear character design is basically King of Fighters with Dungeons and Dragons classes attached.

[@bruhm0ment6000]

You calling it a rip-off?

[@jermanator181]

@@bruhm0ment6000 I ain't callin it a rip-on

[@bruhm0ment6000]

@@jermanator181 ok

[@nicholaskarras2759]

@@bruhm0ment6000 sol badguy has like 3 special movies from terry bogard. its not a ripoff but you can tell daisuke likes SNK titles

[@bruhm0ment6000]

@@nicholaskarras2759 k

[@danielmesri5741]

Your content is very well written and you're an exceptionally eloquent speaker. However, with all due respect, a lot of this video felt almost pointless when you had nothing to say about the games you weren't familiar with. Not that I don't agree with many of the points you made, but when you yourself express that you don't know much about several of these games, you come off as uninformed, and I end up asking myself "Why am I watching this?" Maybe next time you can have a guest who can speak about those other games, or perhaps do more specific research and delve into their combo systems and mechanics as apposed to calling them "timing based." I'd argue almost every combo system incorporates some level of timing, muscle memory, and rhythm. Anyway, I hope this didn't come off as rude or overly critical. Just wanted to add some constructive criticism since I always love seeing more fighting game related content. Keep it up man 👍

[@demoghost1998]

Thanks for the feedback man, I appreciate it! I kinda did this video just off the cuff (I didn't even have a script or anything) cuz it was just some crazy idea I had, but I definitely plan to do more research for the next poll I do so like you said, I don't come across as uninformed. Thanks again for the feedback, and you're more than welcome to give more if you want in future videos!

[@danielmesri5741]

@@baresizeThank you! Just trying to be helpful.

[@spiritualopportunism4585]

@@danielmesri5741 lol, glad I saw this comment first. I stopped the video one minute in when he said he never played KI...I was about to eat him alive.

[@abirneji]

That all makes sense but I feel like getting guests experienced in all these fighting games is a little harder for smaller youtubers

[@bludika]

@@demoghost1998 if you have no experience with the game, or barely know the game, why are you even talking about it? for Tekken 7 for example, if you actually researched and learned about the game, sure on average each character has about 120 moves, but about a third is just basic universal commands like 1,2 input punch, 1,1 punch, or 1,4 jab-kick, or 1+3 or 2+4 grab which every single character has, and if you ask ANY decent tekken player, they will use only about 25-30 moves in their regular gameplay, with occasional random moves just to switch it up, so when someone says things like "this game has too many moves blah blah blah", its obvious you've never spent more than 1 hour actually trying to learn the game, so it's pointless to make a video which includes games you don't even know.

[@JH-lb6qf]

So getting tired of Virtua Fighter being not even in the conversation as a formidable fighting game.

[@bedge8601]

Facts. The game has all the depth of Tekken, and only using 2 attack buttons and a guard button yet it still has hundreds of moves per character.

[@matthewmorrison3745]

@@bedge8601 But ask yourself, how can a game without lasers be #1?

[@g2theartist]

Probably because it's not as popular anymore

[@mthsdcs]

I feel the same way. The worst thing of all is that this is all Sega's fault for forgetting about their own game to the point where it became a simple bonus feature in Yakuza.

[@bedge8601]

@@g2theartist It's still huge in Japan, sadly not here in the US though.

[@trentf4891]

I don't think learning your character is that difficult in tekken, the problem is learning how to deal with your opponents character. Whether you main an advanced character or the characters meant for beginners, everyone has to struggle learning the matchups against your opponent. Also, because tekken is 3d it opens up a ton of options for you and your opponent that you don't have in 2d games. The simple action of moving your character is locked behind advanced techniques which is strange but beautiful. Combo execution in tekken is probably easier than some of these 2d games though.

[@3rdDanPrime]

i totally agree but there is some characters combos/execution are stupidly hard to do especially if you picked a hard one

[@Thedanclan776]

I've been playing Tekken 7 for a couple of weeks and I 100% agree. It's a game where knowing the match up is more important than knowing your own character

[@nightmareimpact8103]

I came here to right the same thing and you pretty much said everything perfectly.

[@midnight_gmr8562]

Honestly, for me, 3d fighters have always been the most difficult to learn. Maybe (probably) it's because my first fighting games ever were Street Fighter and King of Fighters, and the absolute mountain of command inputs have always been daunting to me.

[@thatweirdo9339]

As someone who's first FG was Tekken... I actually can't get into other games... Especially 2D it feels like my legs are stuck in mud or something...

[@williamhowe1]

Any of the SNK fighting games from the 90s and 2000s can be very hard.

[@TequilaToothpick]

I feel so sad that Darkstalkers and especially Virtua Fighter aren't included due to them dying or being dead.

[@OsumiVF3tb]

I don't really think VF is dead in terms of competitive play.

[@joeyl853]

VF is so underated. Still the best 3d fg imo

[@TequilaToothpick]

@@OsumiVF3tb hopefully now they rereleased 5 it will become relevant again.

[@DEVeloper_ACE]

Virtua fighter is by far the absolute hardest, hand breaking, mind fucking fighting game I have ever played in my opinion. Also a new VF game was literally released like less than a year ago

[@micmorgan84]

@@DEVeloper_ACE it should’ve been at the top of the list. The reason tekken became popular with the first two games was because it was easier to play than vf. Then tekken 3 came out on ps and it just took the crown as the essential 3d fighter for casual gamers. Vf5 is the most technical 3d fighter or fighter period.

[@joshuaowl]

That moment when I look at the thumbnail and say “hey that’s guilty gear so tekken is the hardest”

[@danielhofmann7477]

i see you

[@ThGtKpr]

Literally my entire BRAIN going in to this video

[@jacksalien1a509]

Guilty is most hardess for a lot than tekken

[@kuronoroux8864]

@@jacksalien1a509 nah, you can beat the shit out of everyone in GG, is very well balanced.

[@ThGtKpr]

camilo arvelo yeah bro what he said

[@duchi882]

*Absolute Heresy!* We all know the most difficult Fighting game is _"Dive Kick"_

[@Hanswer122]

Indeed, both doing it and facing against it

[@BiggestChungus21]

Duchi You sir should be given a medal! All jokes aside, the video is right though. But back to jokes... And you sir should be given all the free nu coupons for this month.

[@Foxtrotwolf]

@Duchi You forgot to mention that, because of his animated style It's a ANIME FIGHTING GAMEE!!! :D

[@Sheenulus]

Duchi THE MOST AMAZING FIGHTING GAME ON THE PLANEEEETTTTT.

[@Sheenulus]

Duchi THE MOST AMAZING FIGHTING GAME ON THE PLANEEEETTTTT.

[@IAMOP]

Your voice over is good but lot of stuff your saying is in-accurate.

[@Ajay-pj2hv]

How do you make a claim like that and not explain yourself

[@IAMOP]

@@Ajay-pj2hv other comments already touched up on it. He says X game is hard because of Y system. Which is not true for most games on the list. Tekken for example he said game is hard due to combos/ movelist but it's one of the easier aspects of the game.

[@BiggestChungus21]

I AM OP well. He is right. The opponent’s movelist is important. When to sidestep this oppressive string, when to duck, when to low parry. Plus he is right. Tekken is the hardest fighting game, especially for someone who is coming from the 2D kiddie games.

[@vincentwidjaja688]

Tekken combo is a lot, but only some you will "spam" for neutral game then only few string you will use for combo.. I know the frame data is a lot and it's 3D game (linear move will be punish if sidesteped), but I don't think Tekken is that hard

[@Vaaleste]

Hello OP I'm a sub :)

[@CaptainVulcan]

KOF 2002: "Hold my beer."

[@__safeguard2154]

Angel: am i a joke to you?

[@Offline133]

@@__safeguard2154 oof

[@nero3948]

Where do I start in king of fighters

[@nero3948]

Story wise

[@__safeguard2154]

@@nero3948 start at 94 and go up there a lot so 94 95 96 97 98 99 2000 2001 2002 and 2003 there are more but those are 3d like maximum impact you don't have to play them because the boss wasn't so hard i mean i beat it when i was a kid

[@icytailhonetoeknee]

Getting into fighting games, Tekken was my first and I fell in love with yoshimitsu. Needless to say, it took a little while to get the hang of him, but even learning him was so fun. Tekken is hard, but man I enjoy it

[@KayUTariq]

My main. Difficult, low damage but always fun

[@lorcan8484]

U must be a gen z. Cringe. Mk was older.

[@KayUTariq]

@@lorcan8484 by like 2 years.. I started tekken first, then mk and back to tekken

[@GelberDracheLP]

There is only one way for Yoshi, be the hero of the match or the clown xD

[@ZunaZurugi]

King of Fighter an "Anime Fighter" big Oof.

[@demoghost1998]

haha ya... It looked like an anime fighter to me when making this video, but right after I uploaded this, XIII went on sale on steam and my eyes have been opened!

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

@@demoghost1998 same for me. And so is street fighter

[@themage1016]

TsunaTsurugi techincally you could call KOF, SF and Trkken Anime Fighters🤔

[@soratheorangejuicemascot5809]

@@themage1016 I technically call them that.

[@edlerkrieger8045]

@@soratheorangejuicemascot5809 That's incorrect, there is almost nothing in kof that looks like anime except for the Japanese voices and some designs. Just maybe 14 for the graphics but the classic kof games always tried to have realistic sprites.

[@juliusdv6657]

"Soul Calibur is a game that focuses more on it's single player aspects than it's competitive side". I see this guy didn't put too much research into this video; ouch. If anything, Soul Calibur is a great example of having great replay value while also maintaining a competitive spirit. Many fighters are not able to do now what Soul Calibur 2 did more than 15 years ago. Meanwhile.. their isn't shit difficult about SFV.

[@bradstapleton8944]

Soulcalibur isn't the hardest game to get into but this guy was waaaaaaaaaay off, it has a lot of depth.

[@ClintonChelak]

Looking in the comments to see if he triggered the SC fanbase. Though I'm not a part of it, I could tell he was full of crap. Defend your territory, my dude.

[@dimex3362]

The hard part about sf5 is the CH confirms and 1 hit confirms and wife punishes and opening people up with shitty ass wack poke string mixups. But this isn’t to say sf5 is a good game. It’s terrible.

[@clyffblackfyre9046]

Yeah, doesn’t SC share DNA with Tekken?

[@kissairashaegawa8555]

Well it is a poll dude. But mostly I do have to agree with it cuz I mean I play Soul Calibur mostly for the single-player I mean if I had to choose any of my fighting games to put down and play straight single player definitely Soul Calibur 6. And if I feel like playing a really fun fighting game then I'll play DOA which was right in front of it. Though if I had to guess I think most of the people that voted most likely referring to Street Fighter 4. Though truthfully I can't speak on Street Fighter 5 because they didn't feel it was in their "best interest" to put it on Xbox

[@vogudaniyan2713]

Calls king of fighters an "anime fighter" 😔

[@keith6293]

Nah, that's not shocking, he's too young to figure out the animes come from the games lol...but what is shocking is he never played it O.O .....Man...NANDATO ?

[@aquablue3dsi]

I still have people commenting on my 900+ liked comment on the video trying to debate saying that it is. Took all of their concessions on it not. People these days can't debate. Crazy

[@JeffPenaify]

@@aquablue3dsi the term anime fighter doesn't really make sense anyway, BlazBlue and GG are deemed as anime fighters by alot of people

[@grandsquanchrum]

@@JeffPenaify It's just a style of fighter that leans heavily on combos, doesn't have much neutral, and just tons of block strings.

[@ZarelidT]

@@JeffPenaify just be honest and say only arcsys can make anime fighters. You guys literally shame someone for looking at a anime designed character and call them anime fighters. It’s totally fine you guys just sound super elitist when you knock on someone for a mistake like this

[@Cezkarma]

"And next up is , I've never really gotten into it but I played it a bit"

[@iamsuperbbq]

This is so inaccurate. KOF had it rough being called an anime fighter.

[@Petrol_Sniffa]

May be inaccurate but you can't disagree that Tekken 7 is the hardest

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

@@Petrol_Sniffa *starts to have PTSD from 1f links and frame perfect cancels in JoJo HFTF*

[@Petrol_Sniffa]

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 literally never heard of that game, anyone can make some trashy game and make it as hard as they want, I could make a game literally impossible. The list is for real games that people play and care about not back end trash

[@vibemasterkorosu2469]

@@Petrol_Sniffa Yeah i get where you came from, stop making a fool of yourself now

[@Petrol_Sniffa]

@@vibemasterkorosu2469 "Stop making a fool of yourself now" Wow I am so ashamed that I expressed an opinion about a game online, stfu

[@joelthejoat6605]

Mango nation. Fox McCloud.

[@ellieb8967]

I think Hbox is pretty cool

[@ethantucker92838]

Thats not character development, thats lazy writing!

[@zoomzoom7660]

MANGO NATION!!! FOX MCLOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SnowBaller985]

*Mango Nation, Fox McCloud*

[@ulissesgayao975]

Mango nation. Fox McCloud

[@awesomereviews1561]

Pro tip: don’t talk about games that you don’t know enough about because it really shows...

[@thelastgogeta]

You can get away with it... if you aren't making the subject how complex, content rich and/or competitive multiple legacy series are.

[@Shyuthrosnaevin]

I'm not sure it needs to show because he says it himself.

[@johangp1990]

Absolutely, I was just thinking the same while watching the video...he doesn't really know much about most of this games.

[@awesomereviews1561]

Nædrin you are correct but it showed more than he said. Even with the warning beforehand, it was hard to watch.

[@Shyuthrosnaevin]

I see.

[@Beuzer0]

"The most difficult FG to play" is an unclear question. Does it mean the hardest to master, or the hardest to start with? I feel like people answered the poll with nost likely their main or only game. All FGs are hard when it becomes competitive, so it has to be more precise. Also some games deserve to be separated votes, like SF games. ... and Virtua Fighter is not on this list :(

[@keith6293]

Yes, virtua is on position zero...it wins by default because it is so difficult you don't need to put it there LOL

[@awryklutz]

Tekken - hard to learn and impossible to master.

[@Beuzer0]

@@awryklutz lol, i agree for the movements. I can't do crouch dash i P1 side on the stick. I would have gone full Hitbox if this was my main game.

[@OsumiVF3tb]

@@awryklutz VF is way harder.

[@OsumiVF3tb]

@@Beuzer0 Yeah, i feel like this list is more of a popularity contest than anything else.

[@strumminforthelord7387]

Tekken really belongs to the fan base. You can compare it to a country with a language that has been known since 1994 (Tekken 1). So basically if you know this "language" naturally - meaning the gameplay itself (mechanics, move lists etc.) it's pretty much like a walk in the park for the usual Tekken Fanbase (like me lawl).... and at the same time there are lot's of room for high level competition as well (because of advanced play styles, frames, juggles, set-ups, counters, move list properties, punishes etc.)

[@elizabethp.alexander8508]

Mango nation. Fox McCloud. Mk has always been the easiest game to learn and adapt to, from 9 to 11 >KOF >Anime Fighter Bruh. If KOF is an anime fighter, then Street Fighter is too.

[@gabby5399]

King of Fighters isnt an anime fighter, I think...? It's got a lot of movement mechanics and long combos, but it doesnt have the juggles, super aggressive gameplay, and 100 hit combos you see in most anime fighters. Tekken 7 movelist isnt as scary as it seems, most characters only really need like 20 or even just 10 moves to learn. The rest are complimentary

[@ForceofNature99]

KOF is an SNK anime fighter. It's not an air dasher you mean.

[@PeerlessUtopian]

Right.

[@theul6775]

@@ForceofNature99 It's not an anime fighter and never has been.

[@saadhasan2518]

I'd say kof is fun there are long combos and movement mechanis such as short hops but still really fun to play and even with Kof 13 I love the art direction it's just that it's not too realistic or not too anime imo but still is awesome and the combos are hard but really rewarding

[@PeerlessUtopian]

@@saadhasan2518 Right.

[@galihprabasidi8498]

It's hard to gauge the hardest fighting game with vote system. If i only play DBFZ and i think that game is hard then i will vote for DBFZ.

[@SK91NO]

You need to have a decent range and be a veteran player imo. I know its just a theoretical example but DBFZ is hella easy

[@neopops2221]

@@SK91NO the most you play at dbfz , the most you understand the game is really hard . Maybe because the game is a bit chaotic x)

[@SK91NO]

neo pops Beyond the flashy visuals its not much faster than your typical anime fighter. MVC2-Now Thats what I find chaotic and hard to play at times

[@BiggestChungus21]

Galih Prabasidi but I think it’s just a huge consensus that Tekken is the hardest fighting game. He’s not wrong about ranks 1, and 2 I just don’t know about the rest of the list.

[@TheSkyrocketYT]

@@SK91NO The game is becoming quite similar to MVC2 now, and they're adding more mechanics to the game now to which is only going to make the game more chaotic. Plus the new additions and discoveries have made it more chaotic as well.

[@theWIIISEguy]

I'ma be real with you. This is a casual's list. Nothing wrong with that, just felt like I had to put it out there.

[@azathoth7587]

I suppose it's games that are difficult to get into rather than difficult to master

[@theWIIISEguy]

@@azathoth7587 Nah, he just clearly hasn't played all of these games much, some not at all. And it shows when he's giving his reasons. But, again. There's nothing wrong with that.

[@illgeteverythingback]

bro guilty gear and kof are not for casuals lol

[@theWIIISEguy]

@@illgeteverythingback Every fighter can be played casually. I've gotten friends into the series before and they've always taken to it easily. High level play is always going to take time. I'm not getting wym.

[@autotechniggaz]

Wait hold on. I've actually been trying to consider myself a fighting game player recently and I thought his list was the real deal...teach me masters what is the hardest game (maybe name like 3 plz). I play unist and blazblue

[@mechanizedmind2472]

"I'm here to talk about what fighting games are the hardest to play. I asked you guys on Reddit an-" Me: "Aight, Ima head out"

[@demonreturns4336]

Hahaha lmao 😂

[@grannywalter]

Aris said it best about tekken "You learn a certain situation and now you have a piece of the puzzle. And the puzzle is 5000 pieces. And that's just for this one match up. Welcome to tekken, kid". And it do be like that. Especially when you main someone like hwoarang, which I used to do. You have to know what moves will hit, depending on at what angle your opponent hits the wall, for example. Not to mention the moves are hidden behind different stances, and there's tons of 3+4 for stance cancels and transitions which is impossible to do consistently if you're playing on a controller traditionally, with your thumb. I was playing at a pretty low level and knew the character ok and still lost a lot to easier-to-play characters. And tekken is just overall too situational. You can't just learn two combos (midscreen and corner) and be good to go like in some games.

[@endresee]

Killer Instinct is way too low. Yeah, it’s easy to pick up a controller and start doing big combos within a few minutes. But you won’t win that way. You have to constantly vary combos or you’ll get broken, and even if you do that, decent players can break heavies and mediums on reaction with decent consistency. So then you’ve got to learn manuals, where the timing is just as hard in KI as in street fighter. Also, there are almost 30 characters and they all play *way* different from each other. All of them have a character-specific combo mechanic and many of them have character specific resources and special abilities that change the fundamental rules of the game. And their special moves are often bonkers. Just learning the moves of the cast is a huge challenge, and you have to know them to compete. And I’d say a good 1/3 of the cast is almost unplayable unless you have a high skill level because their tools require so much precision to use effectively. Just my two cents.

[@TheUpsetFlan]

You are simply describing a normal fighting game. If those things are hard according your opinions, then Tekken would be literally a torture for you...

[@endresee]

Mauro Bay I haven’t played Tekken so I won’t comment on it but I don’t think my comments are applicable to most fighting games. I’m aware of no other fighting game where every combo is a huge multi-step mixup. Usually once you open the opponent up you’re guaranteed a decent chunk of damage if you can execute the combo. And I’m aware of no other games with anything close to the character variety in KI, or anything close to the number of character-specific mechanics. Not moves. Mechanics. There are plenty of games with lots of characters, but usually the characters all play similarly to one another or fall into like 3-5 archetypes. In KI, with a small handful of exceptions, every character plays vastly differently from every other character. So maybe Tekken is hard but I sincerely doubt it’s hard for the same reasons KI is hard.

[@TheUpsetFlan]

@@endreseeLol you seriously think that in tekken (but also in other fighting games on this list) all the character are the same? No matter if you know the character you're using, if you don't know at least 20 moves and the general playstile of the opponent's character you already lost. So yeah, tekken is harder in every single way. After you learn playing tekken, KI becomes a walk in the park.

[@endresee]

Mauro Bay I think my comment was pretty clear that yes, every fighting game has character differentiation, but the sheer magnitude of differentiation in KI is unique. Also, you just ignored the whole discussion about the combo mixup metagame but whatever. I hereby concede that Tekken is the hardest of all fighting games-no, the hardest of all games-NO! The hardest of all human endeavors. And you, sir, are a certified badass for playing it.

[@dino3965]

KI has some easy characters like wulf, jago, tusk but then some characters with huge skill ceiling and execution like aria, aganos, gargos, etc. KI is pretty easy to get into though because it has objectively the best ingame tutorials of any fighting game. KI used to be my favorite fighting game but they killed the balance overtime with some of the characters they added. Still funny to me how its years old now and the netcode shits all over any modern fighting game.

[@Trilink-a]

Tekken's move lists are so long but I always feel myself thinking "Is that all?" whenever I play the new additions to 7

[@qwteb]

It's because theres actually like just about 20 to 30 usable moves. Most in the movelist are just redundant like basic throws or strings with mixups.

[@Senumunu]

@@qwteb its a balancing decision where you unlock damage potential with your knowledge and execution. the neutral is limited and as you say not that many moves are useful. but once you land the clean hit in the neutral then the long movelist becomes relevant.

[@qwteb]

@@Senumunu yet there are still useless moves even on juggles, because most of them are just flavor like unblockables, etc. But some are just plain useless because they have bad frame data That's why I laugh at this vid because his reason why tekken is hard because of the movelist, which is incorrect. There are of course advanced mechanics tekken offers like kbd, but likewise, they are advanced and you can start playing the game without it. Unlike other fg ranked below tekken where the important mechanic is much harder to grasp.

[@Senumunu]

@@qwteb i mean there are moves that are for the neutral and moves that are for specific situations. for example Lees df2,3 seems useless until you realize that you can initiate a screw after a sidewallsplat with it. other things are for off axis conversions and even punishable strings are good as abuse tools against players that dont know the match up or try to rush you down themselves. unblockables are cheesy set ups for beginners and intermediate players but even there you have unblockables that are faster than others (like Asukas) its not as binary as you make it out to be. download the framedata tool and see yourself how little value it actually has in a 3D fighting game. its only good for when you have no idea when your turn is or when you are completely clueless in a match up.

[@CephlonMayngrum]

@@qwteb all the moves have uses at specific moments. Thats what makes the game so dynamic

[@shyecity916]

KI... should've been way higher.. It's easy to get into but when you consider all the mechanics... That game is crazy. Everyone is unique but I mean it's an Xbox One exclusive.. 👀That's how you know whoever voted didn't really play KI....

[@bfFAN221]

KI is underrated both here and as a game ;---;

[@Artis_OTS]

I think he was going off the votes received but i agree, KI confuses me but its mad fun to watch

[@bfFAN221]

@@Artis_OTS Oooo, interesting take, but take it from me (I play the game a fuckton) - it's quite simple to learn AND understand. But the systems themselves are just so openended and creative that it creates a difficulty gap that spreads from pretty and fairly easy, all the way to "HOLY F#$@ING S%€T, I DIDN'T HIT ANYTHING" and confusingly, Korean levels of harrrd ^^'

[@Ajay-pj2hv]

It would've probable better if it wasn't an exclusive

[@bfFAN221]

@@Ajay-pj2hv Or just XBOne and PC, so much agreement. But that was a Microsoft decision for the game to be a launch title when the XBOne came out :/

[@islambekusupov6328]

In terms of execution Kof is way harder than tekken

[@Pizzalover21]

Have you ever played tekken as a mishima?

[@islambekusupov6328]

@@Pizzalover21 I'm Kazuya and Heihachi main.

[@yosoysusej8429]

And Jojo's on the arcades? The stand system is awesome, they even have secret interactions depending on the matchup like Dio and Jotaro for example. And not only taunts but things that modify the gameplay completly.

[@00ChosenOne00]

I think, Tekken is one of the easiest games to get into and have fun with it, but one of the hardest to master.

[@bbeanli]

I think its crazy easy. The only hard stuff is just dealing with legacy skill. I feel like a lot of people look at how many moves each character has and ignore how many of those are actually useful.

[@water-111]

@@bbeanli Its definitely not "crazy easy". Its very easily one of the hardest fighters out and VERY few pros players in any scene would disagree with that. Simple movement takes a pretty good amount of time to get used too and get good at, characters having lots of strings and options makes not only getting used to your character more difficult but learning matchups even more difficult. Even if you only count the "useful" moves, in a lot of cases you still end up with a hell of a lot more moves than most games. And yes legacy skill says a lot about the depth of this game, if one could just pick up Tekken 7 and play as well as franchise veterans at the start, your game probably isnt that deep. Execution is also pretty strict on a lot of characters. The only reason it may feel "crazy easy" is if you play with like green ranks who lose to strings, since they havent put in the time or have the experience to know how to avoid/punish them. There is a reason you dont really see many pro players from other fighters jumping into this game and dominating. There is a hell of a lot more to go over but ive already written too much.

[@Light-iu7nh]

Quoub ur actually insane the game is everything but not crazy easy

[@jamesflanagan6261]

Agree with Quoub here. The reason Tekken is so hard to compete in is the players have set the bar so high because they have been playing the game for decades, not because the game is hard to pick up.

[@water-111]

James Flanagan Well I could be wrong but it’s not really stated that this list is specifically about “picking up the game” more so difficulty all around. Tekken is easy to pick up because you can learn a couple of strings and have FUN with it but this doesn’t mean you are good or even slightly competent at it, this just means the game is ENTERTAINING, for new players. When we talk about general “difficulty” it’s safe to say we are talking about depth, or how easy it is to become a decent competitor, this is should take into account skill gap between levels of play. Calling someone an even DECENT player in relation to the entire scene is a HUGE compliment. It doesn’t matter if it’s because of legacy skill or whatever else because other games can not achieve this.

[@trevienseager1755]

Did he say soul calibur was more on the casual side? Are you serious?

[@keith6293]

Well it is at least the easiest to pick up with DOA...maybee that's why he said that ? and the fact that it has a great solo experience... But casual ? I would say, if you take out the competition aspect, they are all casual AKA made to be sold to the general public lol

[@trevienseager1755]

@@keith6293 cant argue with that lol

[@personaphantom5543]

Soulcalibur III and IV are pretty casual not II, I, V and VI though.

[@trevienseager1755]

@@personaphantom5543 I dont see how when they all play the same except for the finishers which started in SC4. Either way, soul calibur isnt one of those games where you can get an easy win by mashing buttons. You have to actually know how to play to win.

[@personaphantom5543]

​@@trevienseager1755 True but some Soulcalibur games are more competitive then the others like SC2 is definitely the most competitive and balanced in the series.

[@StrawberryMooosic]

Sixty-Two votes. Street Fighter V got sixty-two votes in the poll to determine the hardest modern fighting game. Jesus.

[@water-111]

LMAO dawg i dont get it either

[@renatoramos8834]

Imagine if those children were given BB or GG to play.

[@brianwallace2038]

What Mirna said. Those votes were for the entire Street Fighter series, not just 5.

[@chuy1299]

Street fighter v is easy but it you would pay attention is was for the sf series

[@Pacemaker_fgc]

SF3 was pretty hard, but I get the feeling most of the votes weren’t referring to that.

[@songninja]

Maybe you haven't played DBFZ, but every character has an A,B, and C assist like MVC and every character's assists are varied and tied to the characters personality. DBFZ on the surface may look simple because quarter circle S could likely be a beam, but the frame data is so varied per character that if you think you can just use a beam or command grab with everyone you will be sorely mistaken. Even though the character's move's lists are not as long as tekken and there aren't as many features as GGS, to be top tier at this game, between extension rejump combo's, as you mentioned the incredibly high pace, and the crucial accuracy of your movement, its right up there with the toughest elite fighting games. There's a reason Sonic Fox and other EVO champs play it.

[@MackCasual]

Tekken is my favorite fighting game of all time. And although difficult it can be boiled down to three things. Match ups movement and fundamentals just like any other fighting game. Fighting games are just hard lol

[@boogie8586]

Mk has always been the easiest game to learn and adapt to, from 9 to 11

[@issa5519]

Nah just mk11

[@ErikpvperHD]

I would not say easy fam. I could see that it's not that hard to pick up and have some fun for beginners. But mk 11 is a very complex fighting games with a lot of aspects. I've been playing mk since 2009 and the genre have not been easier, would in fact say harder to master. A new person could play mk 11 for 3 months straight everyday. And would still not get a single round against me on any character. Cuz thats how knowledge and skills works in this game.

[@Theyungcity23]

I totally disagree. Everything about the series it seems is made to just be difficult.

[@justvibin5300]

Melee Players : *screeches in l-cancel nair shine wavedash*

[@SomeoneWitSkill]

nair shine wavedash is actually pretty simple to do. I will say in terms of inputs, melee has by far the most inputs out of any fighting game.

[@teon7881]

Holy laughs in Kof

[@swank8508]

@@teon7881 idk much about king of fighters but does that game actually have 250-300 amp like melee?

[@bluefalcon6356]

@@swank8508 amp?

[@swank8508]

@@bluefalcon6356 apm*

[@johnwelke74]

I can appreciate Guilty Gear being top 2; it's one of my faves, and has one of the most insane OST's ever. But yeah, King of Fighters & Street Fighter, while they may have anime-ish themed character designs/art, they're definitely technical fighters, not anime fighters.

[@keith6293]

I consider anime fighters to be games made after the anime....Street Fighter and KOF have animes made from the game...I guess there lies the difficulty for younger people to figure out they are not anime fighters ?

[@AlynRapi]

@@keith6293 i think anime fighters are those games with a crap-ton of *universal* movement options, like air dashing, double jumps, running, etc and also are combo heavy in the ground and in the air. and the only exception to this would be marvel vs capcom, but only because the movement options arent universal.

[@cammitalbainshoku4253]

SoulCalibur is *NOT* a casual game, trust me. It’s mechanics have a competitive feel based on mind-games, footsies, range, confirms and punishes that brings a whole different level of 3D fighting games with fast-paced parry/repel clutches. Basically it’s like Tekken but with swords ⚔️

[@TonyTheTGR]

"Fighting games are the most difficult to play" *LAUGHS IN DANCE DANCE REVOLUTION*

[@Tinfoiltomcat]

talks fighting games also doesn't know the difference between links and chains ight imma head out

[@Tinfoiltomcat]

@ every single fighting game either has chain combos or links. Side stepping or crouch dashing has nothing to do with how combos work, you're just trying to sound smart 🤣

[@ViperDivinity]

@@Tinfoiltomcat You havent heard alot of Tekken isnt it???

[@HeLL1Striker]

Tekken 7 has them both: links and chains. Also there's 10 hit string combos, but they're not natural combos, they can be blocked or parried even after getting hit by half of the string. The only difference with other fighting games like Street Fighter is that sometimes in Tekken you need a counter hit to change the property of a chain combo making it a natural combo. Because not all chain combos in Tekken are natural or like you call them in SF "target combos", some of them can indeed be chained but aren't target combos, others are and some others need a counter hit to become target combos like I mentioned above. But when I think of it, aside from Akuma, Eliza and Geese, Tekken characters don't have many link combos and even if they do, it has to be after a counter hit, stunning taunt, or a wall bounce after specific grab. Basically, the closest thing to link combos in Tekken are juggles.

[@aldofebrian5424]

@@Tinfoiltomcat you DEFFO doesn't know that much bout Tekken lol

[@Tinfoiltomcat]

@@aldofebrian5424 you need side stepping and crouch dashes to make certain hits connect, but they don't have to do with the types of combos you're doing. Youre still linking 2 attacks. It's a link-based combo. Or maybe you use a couch dash to link 2 strings. Then it's a chain and a link. At the end of the day there's only chains and links(and autodoubles if you're into KI). So please explain how I don't know about Tekken 🙄

[@felixadam8424]

No virtua fighter?

[@radicalratretro]

Felix Adam lmao VF beats everything here. It's considered the most technical fighting game for a reason. Just what the hell, why isn't it even mentioned here 😂

[@OxysLokiMoros]

Virtua Fighter!

[@OsumiVF3tb]

VF is easily the best FG out there.

[@johnsmoke1785]

Advice to getting a pro in fighting games: Regular Fighting Game: "Pick a character that you like, look up guides and train hard every day." Tekken: well... (takes a deep breath).. 1. Set up a daily schedule for training 1h/day "Korean Backdash Cancel" and learn to proper move for maybe the next few years. 2. Decide if you should switch to a Stick/Hitbox/Mixbox/Keyboard/Controller because of "Korean Backdash Cancel".. 3. In the meanwhile pick a character that you like and look up all moves for ALL THE OTHER characters... 4. Look up videos how to counter other characters 5. And if you can spare some time, have a look at your move list and look up some combo guides. But at this point, you should have picked enough info over the past decade from being smashed into bits in mirror matches.. /sarcasm included..^^

[@brandoamvs]

Damn this comment is so underrated

[@Pullovers7]

or just have fun this aint SAT or AP bro

[@BeeLy1011]

HOORAY FOR A POSITIVE REVIEW ON DOA IN A MAINSTREAM FGC VIDEO WOOO

[@sugoiguy2048]

Well, to be a good Tekken player you need to learn every single move and frame data for all characters. Otherwise you won’t be able to punish unsafe moves and your opponent will make use of it. There are other mechanics too like throws etc.. Tekken is by far the most competitive and difficult fighting game.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

And its still a joke compared to Virtua fighter in terms of difficulty

[@onizuka2687]

@@MILDMONSTER1234 shut up vertua fighter is dead

[@Tragedyval]

tekken is the only fighting game where even sonic fox himself can't win, thats just goes to show you how hard the game is

[@AceKite00]

I been playing Tekken since i was 8, starting with Tekken 4. I cannot BELIEVE people consider Tekken the hardest. You dont have to memorize all 140 moves XD Also Soul Calibur shoulda been voted higher. Try playing characters like Setsuka or Tira and you'll see what i mean.

[@funakiexpressV2]

Astrolightning00 it because the basis of your knowledge is based in Tekken If you’ve come from another fighter Tekken will seem extremely foreign to you, Im like you I was born into playing Tekken and it seem easy for me relatively But what makes Tekken unique is that because mechanics haven’t changed a whole lot, it rewards long time player immensely and that makes it difficult for newcomers to come in and try taking on veteran players lol

[@phinkssama6165]

Clearly you don’t understand tekken very well after all this time if you don’t think it’s the hardest fighting game.

[@mamamoolover2534]

Bro.. send me a video of you doing kazuya ch df2 pewgf ..i will take it easy..give me 8/10 in practice mode.. Practice mode not a serious match..then i will take j serious

[@13Kr4zYAzN13]

Tekken is hard to get into? Interesting, I would've put Guilty Gear first. I mean, I see how this list comes out from a 2D perspective, but for whatever reason I find Tekken easier than anything else. Proooobably because I started with it first, but still lol

[@demoghost1998]

haha yea, I get you. Guilty Gear's kinda what I grew up playing so I find it a bit easier to get into that than tekken, but it's cool to see how differently people view games and what they find more or less challenging in each of them.

[@sgnitzlennahv]

@@demoghost1998 kof is the hardest for me. Timing in that game is freaking strict, a second late you'll drop the combo and a second early the button input won't come out, add to that some move have different timing.

[@iqbaalmuhmd]

Get into sure tekken is soooo fun to play, but at high level play, it deserve #1 spot for sure

[@skylarfox_bmb]

Damn was hoping Melee would be considered a fighter because holy hell is it hard to get into

[@zerocgc931]

The King of Fighters is an Anime Fighter .... proceeds to double jump and airdash with Athena to Infinity.

[@kaiserrino8774]

It's ridiculous that Virtua Fighter was not even on here. VF's depth is unmatched among fighting games.

[@Awol-uk9uj]

You should have done more research on the games you didn't know about.

[@knee1937]

Goliath Online Majority of Tekken’s roster has extremely easy combos with heavy damage (Marduk in T7), yet the variables of 3D planes, 100-200 moves per character, and emphasis on opponent’s character for matchups make the game challenging to learn.

[@rizkyroring19]

@@knee1937 and also good luck doing the micro dash or deep dash into whatever in a combo..

[@tybell6181]

Yeah i feel like DBFZ is way too low

[@earthygoku]

@@tybell6181 nah dbfz is easy as shit

[@BiggestChungus21]

TJ3046 Tekken is the hardest fighting game ever. Scratch that, Tekken is the hardest competitive game ever. And Guilty gear managed to be hard while being 2d. Mad props to arcsys

[@maxmacdeath]

Soul Calibur is way to low on this list. Everything that is said about Tekken here also applies to SC.

[@DaakkuuYRS]

Pretty much. Except the roster size (20 in SC6 VS 37 in Tekken7 without DLC), which makes Tekken harder to learn. Still doesn't make sense to put them THAT far.

[@mentazmic]

@@DaakkuuYRS SC puts a bigger emphasis on 3d movement, and the new mechanics on SC6 are pretty challenging for a beginner. But the biggest problem with SC and Tekken (and most of the japanese fighting games TBH) is the lack of information in the game. If you're not willing to go search for tech on the internet you're screwed, there's no way you're going to play the game the way it's meant to be

[@DrEarthwormRobotnik]

Max K. Speaking from personal experience, SCVI is far easier than Tekken 7

[@theaterhobo]

@@DrEarthwormRobotnik Agreed. SC is way more forgiving and has less juggling. SC also have SOME training in-game. Meanwhile Tekken has so many secret mechanics like parries and breaks that you won't even know to look up until someone does it to you first.

[@mentazmic]

theaterhobo SC has pzrries and breaks too... May be you're talking about chickens?

[@F3RAL3NTITY]

This guy sounds like the guy who has played only one like relatively new fighting games in his gaming life and hasn’t played any of the OG big games to understand how fighting games really work and function. Edit: I was absolutely right.

[@KiriyamaKazuo]

Bah, it's like those only watching Dragonball Super and claiming they know everything about DB.

[@UnknownRayDar]

gosh, you sound a bit toxic with your talk about how he's unable to talk about games with knowing a whole bunch about games before it, besides, he's saying what a *vote* has put out and basically said "hm, to me, this is a little hard/easy", he aint claiming to be spitting facts yknow lol

[@F3RAL3NTITY]

Necromaniac Hi friend. I understand he isn’t claiming that he knows all, but that’s the point of the comment. He titled the video “Ranking the Most Difficult Fighting Games”. So when I clicked on it, I was expecting someone who has at least taken the time to understand the mechanics of the games he is talking about. So when I heard him dishing out second hand opinions of opinions in a video titled that way I made that comment. I was a little upset that I was mislead by the title. As someone who has played (seriously, not joking)every game on that list for easily 10+ hrs at least, I was hoping for a better collection of information from a pro, or someone who has more log time than myself, ya dig?

[@vortex2.061]

@@UnknownRayDar 9

[@calebjohnson96]

Bruh, your brain is small. You have the tekken player mentality, "if you havent been playing fighting games for over 15 years youre trash, just quit"

[@darcymullin1223]

Man MK11 is the only fighting game I’m good at... kinda wish I grew up on SF or Tekken/DOA

[@ArchangelSteve]

Shocks me to see KI on this list; I've been playing fighting games for years and I found KI to be one of the easier ones to adjust to and feel comfortable with, which at first I just assumed was because it uses L-M-H punches and kicks, but I now realise was because the game's mechanics were so well implemented that they were easy to get to grips with by just playing the game for a bit. Once you've gone through arcade mode once or twice then you're pretty much sorted with the game and are getting on with finding mains and feeling out combos with different characters instead of still struggling with three types of cancel or different levels of special moves.

[@Ragnell_9]

Lmao, Soul Calibur is a 3D fighting game and that makes it one of the most difficult fighting games. Also this list forgot the Super Smash Bros saga, with SSB Melee as the most difficult fighting game to play ever made.

[@Psypsypsyy]

Smash bro’s being a hard game OMEGALUL

[@Ragnell_9]

@@Psypsypsyy indeed, the most difficult one. I've tried lots of fighting games, I know more than you, believe me.

[@Psypsypsyy]

Armoured-T ok boomer

[@mattmadonna9136]

@@Psypsypsyy hit up your local melee scene and get absolutely destroyed to see how wide of a gap there is. Melee is the quintessential "easy to pick up, hard to master" game. The skill ceiling is insanely high from both a technical and theory crafting perspective. Now that being said coming from a platform fighting background, i personally find transitioning into more traditional FGC titles to be super difficult, but a lot of FGC players have similar troubles into switching over to Smash, RoA, Brawhalla etc. Its a pretty subjective idea anyways so both of you are taking your opinions too factually. But still I find smash to be one of the most fulfilling fighting game experiences, granted you give yourself a few months to get a solid idea for fundamental techniques and application of them. Melee becomes a better game as you become a better player.

[@Psypsypsyy]

Matt Madonna there’s a reason smash isn’t even on this list.

[@nakedbeekeeper9610]

SC6 is very technical and hard to master, much harder than any MK ever released.

[@kodaiyoung]

I bet those people placing KI and DOA on the bottom of the list never had dug into those games. Yes KI has a combo assist system and it's easy to mash some buttons, but you have lots of other mechanics to master and each fighter is unique on it's play stile even with "simplified" controls. Doa can be as complex as tekken with a huge amount of combo possibilities to learn and fighters getting different status, and if you think that mastering the parry system is easy, good luck with that.

[@vecystim9102]

even tho i agree Tekken is harder then DOA, being at EVO =/= hard

[@ForceofNature99]

Being at EVO has nothing to do with "difficulty". VF wasn't at EVO and it's harder than Tekken easily. DOA is miles more complex than the average person gives it credit for.

[@SomeoneThatIsHappy]

Look WatchMojo, this guy actually play the games and know what he's talking about

[@GoodOlChippy1]

KoF has the tightest timings for combos and specials I have ever had to do. I do not understand why the devs want this insane precision across all characters.

[@junkyyard2273]

Idk but it brings in a lot of fun and movement for the whole game.

[@o_oro-q1k]

Which KoFs did you play?

[@GoodOlChippy1]

@@o_oro-q1k 13 and 14. Perhaps I need to go back, because I’ve heard the KoF has massive input buffer windows, but it really didn’t feel like it when I was in training mode

[@karlobicierro7081]

Other fighting games: A lot of moves and hard combos Tekken: that's nice

[@Angeal98]

Combos are easy in tekken.

[@nao_9373]

a lot of moves and narrowed down to 5% usage in high level, and other % is used for combos. and no, Tekken combos are easy. Tekken players do this narrative that the movement variety and side stepping made Tekken 'hard'

[@karlobicierro7081]

@@nao_9373 totally agree although jins moves are so few that i tend to use almost all of them

[@yoch5383]

@@nao_9373 yes Tekken combo are easy and particulary CF2 /PEWGF Kappa

[@nao_9373]

oh so Tekken combos in general is PEWGF, got it kappa

[@o_oro-q1k]

>KOF >Anime fighter what

[@okbutwhatif9905]

I'm sorry, when you showed the tekken combos list, the secret combos aren't displayed :)

[@DiogoMarquesAwesome]

Virtua fighter and injustice?

[@Le_Rappel_des_oiseaux]

In DOA movelist "SO FREAKING LONG" too, combat system more complex (triangle system) then Tekken, and they have jiggle physics also. DOA one of the best fighting game ever.

[@Professor_Utonium_]

Great concept for a video, but I have some significant reservations with it. Tough love incoming, and I promise you, I'm not saying this to be hateful or anything. - Not pronouncing basic things correctly that are also part of the topic (BlazBlue) - The whole Soul Calibur audio take was the lowpoint, felt unplanned, almost like it was done in one take - Slower talking pace in general - Spoken word did not seem well planned out, very improve feel on most of the segments - Uncertainty with Skullgirls. You seemed to question if 2 character teams existed as your own footage of you playing a 2-man team is right behind it - UNIST was a good segment. I think this is because you have familiarity with the game. "Advantages and weaknesses" could have easily been summed up as "matchups" though. - I perceived this as the part you had the least knowledge on by far. Combos in SF work no differently than in any other game. Hitstun takes longer to get out of than the startup frames of the next attack. "weird timing system" and "chaining naturally" are not educated phrases. There is very simple math behind how combos work in every single fighting game. - KoF is also not an anime fighter by design. It plays out much more like a traditional fighter. It may "look anime" but that doesn't categorize it as such. - The animosity towards Tekken felt like it came from a place of closed-mindedness and unwillingness to try and learn something. Making a channel about fighting games and then belittling it with the harsh language and dismissive attitude doesn't lend well to unbiased takes or getting people on board. Imagine a diehard Tekken fan's reaction to that segment. And the most egregious of all...! - Showing footage of MVCI Okay, I was just having fun with that last one. I understand that the ratings and games were all crowdsourced in terms of topicality, but the presentation was very poor in my mind. Again, I don't say these things for fun or to be a jerk, I'd just hope you can learn from this video and improve. You clearly have a passion for this kind of thing and I hope your channel grows and develops over time. Don't give up, man.

[@vincentwidjaja688]

KOF for me is Street Fighter but the timing (combo window from 1 move) is crazy difficult, the combo is absurd, the gauge management is really important

[@Darksaige]

To me, there is nothing hard about tekken. Now if virtua fighter was there I'd say you have a strong case.

[@keith6293]

Tekken is difficultt to "master" but easy to pick up and be decently good at...VF is just plain hard on all front...with less buttons to smash!

[@Darksaige]

@@keith6293 true. And the timing in VF gets tricky with some moves. I played vanessa and Aoi then picked up Goh

[@keith6293]

@@Darksaige I love Aoi. But yeah, the timing and combo system is like KOF, each character has it's own set and it takes time to get good with anyone. I think some are easier to pick up, like Aoi. It also depend on your fighting game experience prior to VF but I think you can quickly assess which character will be best for you or what type of. I was a typical Tekken/KOF gamer so off course I always chose Aoi, Akira, Pai and Lei-fei. I think all character were cool to play with though. I can't really say that for all the games...but Virtua had a great cast. I have VF4 on PS2.

[@OsumiVF3tb]

VF just doesn't get the respect it deserves. :-(

[@WhodlyDudly]

Soul Calibur shouldn't even be close to the bottom of this list. This is what happens when you ask communities (larger or smaller) what games are easiest. You didn't even know what to say about Soul Calibur and you called it casual on a whim. You don't know anything about the pro play, the mix ups, the masterful timing and deep depth on match ups. The difference in skill also shows predominantly at the top, that's how you know that a lot of these games should be below Soul Calibur on this list.

[@juartz9110]

Melee could be first if he was here, every character has a different technique for grabing the ledge, there is L cancelling, wave dash, combo on pourcentage and more than one hundred optimisation to know for every matchup. This game is today i think, the hardest fighting game ever

[@Fain255]

Of course Smash isn't in the list, however, top competitive *MELEE* is probably top 5, even top 3.

[@sinned130]

Smash is not a fighting game. It's a party game for kids.

[@Fain255]

@@sinned130 "Hilarious and original"

[@sinned130]

@@Fain255 I know

[@Hibernial]

Melee’s up there, but I always felt like maybe KoF, or GG were frankly more demanding. Even if by some margin.

[@raulboliomartinez6432]

@@sinned130 "Party game" is not a genre, by that logic both Mario Kart and Mario party would be the same genre as Smash, which makes no sense at all. A party game is defined only by the quality of being easy to pick up, and having a multiplayer option, that's it. In a way, you could say that Street fighter is the opposite of a fighting-party game, while games like Mortal Kombat get close to being one (it's even proven by sales)

[@brenooliveira9064]

Good narrative and well written script. Good job sir, it doenst sound like a channel with only 57 subscribers. I hope the FGC notice you.

[@brenooliveira9064]

58 with me. (at this moment at least)

[@demoghost1998]

@@brenooliveira9064 Yo thanks man, I really appreciate it! I'll do my best to keep them coming!

[@michaelschmidt3250]

>2nd bottom on the list >ki interesting ranking, seems like a pure popularity contest

[@manuelrojasenriquez2806]

I usually think that tekken was made for fans who has played it since the first one.

[@atrioberlyn9151]

This is pretty good video... Why do you not have more subs? Well... At least you get my.

[@tripwirecreator25]

Being a late bloomer in fighting games, Melty Blood Act Cadenza then Actress Again was the fighting game that got me into playing fighting games on a serious level, which got me into learning combo strings and getting more familiar with button commands. Before I played a lot of Tekken 3, Guilty Gear X2, KOF2k2 and MvC but on a scrub level, either I just button mashed or do a single string or two over and over and never got good at any, until I came back and tried Tekken and Guilty Gear again after a few years. I would say it's like DBFZ, it's easy to pick up but gets harder on higher levels when it comes to fast-paced matches. The general mechanics are easy to grasp, and the characters has only a few key differences in terms of specials, mostly either fireball motions, DP motions, and down+down motions. Actress Again adding depth with Moon Styles adding different moon-related mechanics.

[@Sirlilsquishy]

No melee interesting

[@blakemelhuish1118]

List says fighting games

[@Nersius]

Platform fighters are typically considered a different genre.

[@bluepeacemaker]

platform *fighting* games are still fighting games, though

[@Sirlilsquishy]

If you don’t think melee is a fighting game your an idoit

[@TamirElias]

The most complex fighting game is definetly King of Fighter's 2002 UM, Good luck trying to do even the easy MAX combo's,shit took me week's.

[@uandresbrito5685]

Have you actually tried MvC or GG combos?

[@TamirElias]

@@uandresbrito5685 Is this a joke? i have played them and no there's no comparison,GG and MVC combo's are a cakewalk next to OG KOF MAX combo's.

[@uandresbrito5685]

Never tried 02 UM's hard ass combos, but from 2002 and anything that came earlier(also 14) I can safely say that they are veeeery easy compared to the most complex MvC2/3 or GGXX ones. And as much as I know 2002UM uses the same Gauge system as 2002, so what possibly could be that hard you're talking about?

[@TamirElias]

@@uandresbrito5685 Go play KOF 2002 UM and see for youself , it is and i repeat IT IS NOT like KOF14.

[@uandresbrito5685]

Why would you say it's not like KOF 14? I know it's not, you could compare it to vanilla 02, but fine. I'll try it eventually(if I ever get the game, that is)

[@Ivwin]

ur not sounding like u have 3300 subs very good vid just wow great job !!!

[@josetomascamposrobledano4618]

Good sound quality and background gameplay, but damn your commentary is Hollow. The match-ups and movement in Tekken are also thinks that are hard to master, and the list of combos the game gives you is actually more on the wack side since there are many more optimal combos that are not listed

[@a.b.8606]

From experience, the hardest Fighter is Kof. The timing is really strict, and comboing becomes an art form. As for 3D fighters, Soul Calibur is actually not easy. The characters have a large number of moves and stances, in addition to Barry/GI and the 8 way move set, which in my opnion makes it more superior to Tekken. Your list needs a revision!

[@ClassFInquisition]

I agree, after buying the latest KoF and feeling how strict timing is compared to SF, BB, GG. Soul Calibur also has armor break, but I dunno if that's toggled off in competitive?

[@bujinfujin9668]

Lol Tekken, Trumps SC in the difficulty requirement pretty soundly, we also have parries and every character has at least 1 unique stance only for them. In fact characters can have up to 14 stances at once with around 6 moves each. The game is an Ocean in comparison

[@sgnitzlennahv]

@@ClassFInquisition latest kof is actually less strict than previous title try play kof 2002 unlimited match that game is on another level.

[@junkyyard2273]

@@sgnitzlennahv Kof xiii Try it

[@sgnitzlennahv]

@@junkyyard2273 I played kof 13 it's easier compare to 2k2um. You try play kof 2k2um and see for yourself how hard it is.

[@Neetso]

At least in Tekken, you can learn how to button-mash some combinations considerably quick, in your first matches; But in Virtua Fighter? That thing is brutal... You literally get punished if you don't take your time to learn at least a good portion of one character's movelist;

[@OsumiVF3tb]

Yeah VF is definitely less beginner friendly than other games lol.

[@yalocaldex]

Is it really that hard? I really wanna try it but I don't have playstation

[@kushalaxx]

Hey great content hope you grow fast!

[@demoghost1998]

Thanks man!

[@Vsolid]

>KOF is an anime fighter There is a more compelling argument for MvC being an anime fighter than KOF

[@xTrashPandax]

Hey? Good video. I liked hearing your personal opinion. Don't let people that don't agree discourage you.

[@MyNameJefff]

Totally agree, Guilty Gear got me into fighting games as well and it’s so fun learning different characters

[@Anfmethodjor]

Soul Calibur should be much higher in the list for the complexity of mechanics and variety of moves.

[@BigMemoire]

I find Tekken to be much easier than Street Fighter,- But that's just me I guess ^^'

[@suna7511]

Can you explain why? Tekken is considered one of the hardest fighters even by the smash god killer leffen. Tekken requires 3d mechanics and side stepping.how is streetfighter hard?

[@hipncool8036]

I think it matters a lot what you grew up with and how the individual interprets the game. I like tekken and find it much easier than sf because I grew up with it I think. You get used to stepping and all that stuff, just like how you'd get used to any other game but possibly the downside to playing one fighting game primarily is that you get stuck in the mechanics of your game. It feels weird going from tekken to 2d fighters because I lose sidestepping as an option and instead have to learn to deal with air pressure and crossups. That's my opinion and experience with fighters.

[@naquan59]

@@hipncool8036 You said it best the faster way to get good or understand how to play tekken 7 is to have grown up playing tekken 4 to 6.

[@OsumiVF3tb]

@@naquan59 Tekken 4 is so different from 5 and 6 thugh; it doesn't even feel like a tekken game. And it's my favourite in the series.

[@xcv625]

Same here actually! I have NEVER really improved much in Street Fighter, it just feels so, so different from Tekken even though on paper it should be much simpler. I think I just find Tekken's setup to be logical by having each face button tied to a different limb, so I have a rough idea of what to expect even if it's a character I'm not familiar with. 3D maneuvering also feels natural to me to sidestep telegraphed attacks and combos feel really easy to cancel out of and super tight and responsive and simple to mixup and play mindgames. Street Fighter I feel relies more on understanding different meters/modes plus it feels trickier to chain combos naturally because most attacks feel like they have much stricter timing to pull off, plus needing to manage air attacks, hyper/super combos and a more limited moveset. I didn't really get into fighters until Tekken Tag and Tekken 5 though. I grew up with Virtua Fighter and Street Fighter 2, and I was abysmal at both at the time (likely because I was like 5 years old) and nothing clicked for me until I picked up T5 in my early teens.

[@mercinary001]

Virtua Fighter would have been number 1... If people remembered it existed

[@mondocool5670]

That's crazy that Tekken got most difficult, there aren't too many 3D fighters in comparison to 2D but as a series it has less and simpler mechanics. Virtua Fighter and DOA definitely have more complexity. Also KOF is very long lasting series starting from the early 90's and has always had the reputation of high level play. "SNK Boss Syndrome" is a term that exists just because of how crazy hard their games are!